S03.E05: The Return: Part 5

[Tara Ariano]

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Case files.

[SeanC]

Which is the greater crime:

1)  The murder of Laura Palmer; or

2)  A girl who looks like Amanda Seyfried dating a guy who looks like that?

[Ms Lark]

or 3. Kyle McLaughlin shambling around like an extra on Walking Dead? He's got less life in him than a zombie.

OMG, this is killing me. I'm enjoying catching up with the original Twin Peaks characters, for the most part, but I can do without this Vegas storyline (if you can call it that). It's just sooo slow and pointless. New PBS shows start up on the 18th; I'll be watching those and catching up with TP On Demand so I can FF through Dougie the Slugie and other boring crap.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Ms Lark

[Pete Martell]

This was my first episode watching live. It was a bit of a slog at first but I enjoyed it quite a bit through the last 40 minutes. Of course I have mostly been fine with this revival so far so maybe people who haven't liked it hated this one - that's their right of course...

It says a lot about Kyle Maclachlan's talent that he can make such a simple phrase ("case files") so sad and oddly moving. I sometimes feel uneasy about the Dougie scenes, as sometimes I feel like we're being invited to laugh at him or people like him until the "real" Cooper returns, but I'd be lying if I said the scenes didn't interest me as Cooper returns bit by bit. I imagine a lot of people are already sick of waiting, which I can understand. Of everything I think I liked the last scene with Cooper in front of the G-Man statue the best - I continue to be so pleased to get real closing credits (I had forgotten how much I missed them on television...I'm going to hate going back to not having them), and the closing theme was just gorgeous. 

The other scene I remembered from this was when Cooper was staring so sadly at "his" son in the car, even to the point where his wife seemed unnerved. Again great acting from Kyle (he's impressing me so much here) and it makes me wonder if that is going somewhere, if he knows this "son."

Kyle really could have been a silent film star - he has the expressions and emotions down pat. Born in the wrong era. 

Does anyone else wonder if the other kid at the junkie house is also Dougie's? Or is that a reach? He seems to have one side of Cooper (curious) while Dougie's son has more of a Black Lodge vibe to him. I did laugh when those idiots blew up - I don't know if that was intended or not. 

I didn't even realize that the blonde guy giving the interview was Mike until someone told me. Well I always liked Mike but he always was a bit nondescript. The Mike/Nadine fan in me was oddly pleased they showed up in the same episode. And how gorgeous did Wendy Robie look? I was so played out with Nadine's amnesia story I'd forgotten how much I missed her. 

Of course Dr. Jacoby is a Beck, Alex Jones-esque quack. I had to laugh because what else would he be. And the people listening to him were pretty much the perfect choices. 

The scene of Shelly's daughter Becky on a high was one of the first chances I've seen Amanda Seyfried get to act in a long time. I didn't realize how much Amanda looks like Madchen Amick until I watched this episode. Is that guy supposed to be a new version of Bobby? Why do I have a feeling that this will end much worse for them than it did for Shelly and Bobby? If Bobby is her father, he's probably going to beat that guy's ass, unless they're in some secret deal. I doubt it, given that this guy barely seemed to be able to walk or talk. 

Great to see Ernie Hudson too. After the first 4 episodes I kept dreading the moment where he ogled the female officer or we learned they were secret lovers - I'm gad that wasn't the case (unless I missed something?).

Jim Belushi playing who Jim Belushi of recent years would likely play. He did a decent job though. I felt sorry for the casino guy. Now I know why he was so terrified about the jackpots...

I can't tell you how my heart warmed when Norma worried about Shelly and put her arm around her. I've had some issues with the writing for the women in the first 4 episodes so this felt more like a return to the old Twin Peaks in the treatment of female characters having a bit more of their own lives, even if it's still just about Becky's love life for now. I was so happy to see Norma again - I knew we'd see her but still when we actually did, I just had to smile, the way I did with Nadine. Boy I've missed her and what her presence signifies. The warmth and kindness we need more of on the show, or, hell, in real life.

I was glad to see the Bang Bang Bar scenes having a bit more presence to them, and again that stuff was probably the clearest to the '50s motif of the old show, as the Matthew McConaughey knockoff did his cool bad boy smoking, entrancing the girls, but then we got a jolt that is more fitting of the modern version, as he turned out to be a real asshole, not some sweetheart underneath. I was glad that they had the Emma Stone knockoff try to help her friend, even as she couldn't really do anything. I hope we see more of her. 

I kept trying to figure out if Bob Cooper knew something about the warden and that's what "Mr. Strawberry" meant, but I guess it was just to show them that he was going to make them uneasy before his call. When they had the flashback I thought he was going to smash his head against his cell mirror and run for it - I'm glad they avoided that cliche. 

I don't know who the band was in this episode (Trouble, apparently), but I thought the main guy on guitar was really hot. 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Pete Martell

[Guest]

Right? Like there isn't a cuter (or cleaner) drug addict in Twin Peaks for her to date?

The actor who played the smoking sexual assaulter/possible rapist at the bar was super cute. 

Wasn't feeling this episode (Dougie Cooper is wearing thin) but am intrigued by the real Dougie being the dead guy in the bed. Can't wait to see how Dark Cooper pulled that off. That being said, that dead body was obese ... I'm shocked that after a three-day disapperance that more people weren't more visibly shocked by Dougie's insane weight loss. 

[Pete Martell]

Oh I forgot the bit with Frank Truman and his wife. I was disappointed she seemed to be from the same generic blonde overwrought pool as Matthew Lillard's wife, but maybe she will be a bit less of the nagging wife cliche if she makes any future appearances. 

It was strangely nice to see Jade again too, continuing to move the plot along for Cooper as best she can, even if she doesn't seem to know it. As underwritten and plot-devicey as she is she still is closer to me to the old TP women than most of the women on the new revival. I'm glad she survived another episode alive.

[Peanut6711]

6 minutes ago, Ms Lark said:

or 3. Kyle McLaughlin shambling around like an extra on Walking Dead? He's got less life in him than a zombie.

OMG, this is killing me. I'm enjoying catching up with the original Twin Peaks characters, for the most part, but I can do without this Vegas storyline (if you can call it that). It's just sooo slow and pointless. New PBS shows start up on the 18th; I'll be watching those and catching up with TP On Demand so I can FF through Dougie the Slugie and other boring crap.

I'll second #3!  The real crime here is taking a great show like the original TP and butchering it.  Each week just proves that this is a shell of the original.  Too much time is wasted on characters and places that aren't being developed and no one is sympathetic or at the very least an intriguing character to tune in for. And the poster last week who brought up Lynch's sexual politics was spot on. It really stuck out tonight--nuSheriff Truman's and Dougie's bitchy wives who served no other purpose as well as the creepy rapist at the bar.   

[Pete Martell]

6 minutes ago, Peanut6711 said:

I'll second #3!  The real crime here is taking a great show like the original TP and butchering it.  Each week just proves that this is a shell of the original.  Too much time is wasted on characters and places that aren't being developed and no one is sympathetic or at the very least an intriguing character to tune in for. And the poster last week who brought up Lynch's sexual politics was spot on. It really stuck out tonight--nuSheriff Truman's and Dougie's bitchy wives who served no other purpose as well as the creepy rapist at the bar.   

I agree about Truman's wife (I'd put her in the same camp as Matthew Lillard's wife), but I don't think Dougie's wife is a bitch. She seems to put up with a lot from him (especially since the "real" Dougie was apparently a heavy gambler and a manwhore). I'd call her more of a plot device than a bitch, especially since I don't believe she would have left "Dougie" to give the money when it was obvious he had no way of knowing how to do that. 

I don't think the guy at the bar was a sign of Lynch's sexual politics. I think it was mostly to establish him as a huge asshole and not the bad boy with a heart trope that we (and the women at the other table) were expecting. 

[Peanut6711]

1 minute ago, Pete Martell said:

I agree about Truman's wife (I'd put her in the same camp as Matthew Lillard's wife), but I don't think Dougie's wife is a bitch. She seems to put up with a lot from him (especially since the "real" Dougie was apparently a heavy gambler and a manwhore). I'd call her more of a plot device than a bitch, especially since I don't believe she would have left "Dougie" to give the money when it was obvious he had no way of knowing how to do that. 

I didn't say Dougie's wife was a bitch; I said she was bitchy (behavior)--as in the portray of both her and Mrs. Truman was of nagging women, complaining incessantly to the men in their lives.  They may both have very valid complaints, but that doesn't seem to be what Lynch was going for. 

[JustCrazy]

If this doesn't improve soon, I'm out.  I fast forwarded a couple of times.  I don't give a shit about Las Vegas or Buenes Aries....get back to Twin Peaks AND STAY THERE!  I love weird and strange, but this is just boring.

[djsunyc]

the missing thing for hawk has got to be the great northern key.

[Pete Martell]

9 minutes ago, Peanut6711 said:

I didn't say Dougie's wife was a bitch; I said she was bitchy (behavior)--as in the portray of both her and Mrs. Truman was of nagging women, complaining incessantly to the men in their lives.  They may both have very valid complaints, but that doesn't seem to be what Lynch was going for. 

I guess I didn't really see her as bitchy or as nagging Dougie, per se - I feel like that her main plot function is telling him what to do and being impatient with him, but I can understand why she acts that way, unlike Truman's wife, who just seemed to pop up to nag and nag while he looked vaguely annoyed. 

I do agree with you overall about the writing for women so far and it's been my biggest complaint about the new show - I thought it improved a fair amount in this episode though.

[djsunyc]

and the bob/dopplecoop morph was awesome.

and becky (shelly's daughter) - is she being introduced as the new laura palmer?

[SeanC]

39 minutes ago, djsunyc said:

and becky (shelly's daughter) - is she being introduced as the new laura palmer?

Well, Amanda Seyfried has experience in that area.

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, djsunyc said:

 

the missing thing for hawk has got to be the great northern key.

 

I noticed the room number (315) contained the same numbers as the electrical device that transported Cooper out of the room with not-Ronette Pulaski and into the house at Rancho Rosa. (The device first appeared with the number 15 and then, when transporting Cooper, changed to the number 3.)

Apologies if someone else caught this in the 3/4 thread...but I don't remember seeing it. 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Guest

[Penman61]

I can't gainsay any criticisms of this episode--pacing generally, but esp of DougCooper becoming GoodCoop--but then Lynch will show me something I've never seen in 45+ years of watching movies/TV.  

In this episode, it was the shot of Amanda Seyfried (whom I've never found particularly compelling) high in the red convertible while "I Love How You Love Me" plays on the soundtrack.  I don't know how Lynch does it, but he does it, time and again.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Penman61

[dwmckim]

2 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

 

Does anyone else wonder if the other kid at the junkie house is also Dougie's? Or is that a reach? He seems to have one side of Cooper (curious) while Dougie's son has more of a Black Lodge vibe to him. I did laugh when those idiots blew up - I don't know if that was intended or not. 

I didn't even realize that the blonde guy giving the interview was Mike until someone told me. Well I always liked Mike but he always was a bit nondescript. The Mike/Nadine fan in me was oddly pleased they showed up in the same episode. And how gorgeous did Wendy Robie look? I was so played out with Nadine's amnesia story I'd forgotten how much I missed her. 

The scene of Shelly's daughter Becky on a high was one of the first chances I've seen Amanda Seyfried get to act in a long time. I didn't realize how much Amanda looks like Madchen Amick until I watched this episode.

More of the other way around on the kids - to me the one across the street has more of the Black Lodge vibe...though that may be due to the mother's "backward talk" ("1-1-9")

When the original TP was on, the male cast member i crushed hardest on was Gary Hershberger (Mike) so i recognized him immediately.  Wish that scene gave more indication as to specifically what company/industry he was working in or he was was even still in TP for that matter.

That was one of the things that really struck me - how easily Amanda Seyfried and Madchen Amick actually looked like they could be mother/daughter.  Great casting there!  ALWAYS love when actors cast as family members actually look related.  (Mrs. Palmer and Laura had that going for them too and now that Sheryl Lee's older, you can see even more a resemblance.)

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[Pete Martell]

24 minutes ago, dwmckim said:

When the original TP was on, the male cast member i crushed hardest on was Gary Hershberger (Mike) so i recognized him immediately.  Wish that scene gave more indication as to specifically what company/industry he was working in or he was was even still in TP for that matter.

I think he must have been in Twin Peaks as Becky's loser boyfriend was interviewed by him, but I do wonder where. I kept thinking maybe the bank? 

I'd like to see how he and Bobby are now - if they're still friends. 

I guess that's left to fic...

[Cheezwiz]

3 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

Kyle really could have been a silent film star - he has the expressions and emotions down pat. Born in the wrong era. 

Agreed. It's one of the things I re-discovered after re-watching the original series just before the revival started. I had completely forgotten how delightful Kyle M was as Agent Cooper. His performance was so wonderful then - he radiated so many positive things in the role:  integrity, competence, curiosity, and genuine kindness. So now I have a retro/current crush on Kyle (along with our young Federal agent, apparently), and although things are moving at a glacial pace, he's keeping me watching. I've been touched watching him fumble around, but I hope he gains full consciousness soon - this long drawn out process is sort of killing me.

Another character that I had completely forgotten about was Major Briggs. So sad that Don S. Davis passed away - I wound up loving him on re-watch of the original, and wish he had been part of this (apart from being a disembodied floaty head in space).

As for tonight's episode - good grief, Amanda Seyfried! Surely there has to be a more attractive junkie around town for you to hook up with! Wonder if her Dad is Bobby or someone else. 

Holy crap! The guy conducting the job interview was Mike? Never would have recognized him without the people on here pointing it out.

Both Norma & Nadine look freakin' amazing.

I was diggin' the band at the Bang Bang bar, but not the scary would-be rapist guy.

[Pete Martell]

I just remembered it but Don Murray (best known for The Misfits, although I know him best as Sid Fairgate on Knots Landing) as Dougie's boss. He's 87, amazingly enough. 

I read a review that mentioned Tom Sizemore was in it too. I haven't thought of him in years, since the Heidi Fleiss stuff. I guess he was the guy Cooper called a liar? 

[dwmckim]

44 minutes ago, Pete Martell said:

I think he must have been in Twin Peaks as Becky's loser boyfriend was interviewed by him, but I do wonder where. I kept thinking maybe the bank? 

 

Ah - didn't catch that the guy Mike was interviewing was Becky's loser boyfriend ... you can tell where my eyes were focused during that entire scene!

[Happy Harpy]

It starts to grate, to seriously grate, when after the credits rolled for Twin Peaks the first scene takes place in Vegas. Couldn't care less about anything Vegas. Probably everything is going to lead to Cooper being back to Cooper but there are too many characters I don't give a flying fuck about and I resent for hogging screentime whereas WHERE IS AUDREY (an example at random...) so I'll invest when  the Real Dale Cooper stands up (by episode 17?) . And probably the plot and Easter Eggs and all will be genius level in hindsight but this kind of trick is OK with a 90 minutes movies, not an 18 hours serialized show that was branded as a revival/sequel and not a reboot. For now, it's just dull and painful to watch, so I FF most of it.

The BlackCoop side was more interesting because at least things happened and because it's clearly linked to the original, although none of the Black Lodge thing ever made sense and I don't think it ever will.  And the flashback cut before a mention of Annie? Couldn't make me happier.

Did Whatshiname S. (for "senile") Truman was talking to "Harry"? Because it was the only good moment about his scene except I missed Harry even more. His wife could be Nadine's sister, she was as verbally abusive to him as Nadine used to be to Ed. I didn't see the point of the scene, pure waste of time whereas the path is so slow already; which explains in part why I don't feel like investing in the Vegas storyline:  Most of it might be as pointless. Once again, why do a new Twin Peaks character and Jacoby with his shovel nonsense get most of the little screentime that the town actually has? WHY?

And once again, Twin Peaks setting + original flavor and characters make the best combination for me and something I actually enjoy to watch. It was great to see Mike, and yes he was interviewing the loser. Loved the Norma and Shelly scene, plus it was for once in real continuation of the original and female friendships always get points with me. I have to say that at least, Lynch doesn't present drug addiction under a glamorous light. My teen self would have rolled her eyes at the little wanker, my older self wants to send him to rehab with a good kick in the ass and lecture the girl about getting a fucking grip and rethinking her choices about men. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I noticed that Norma didn't wear a wedding ring, so I guess that she and Shelly can still relate indeed. The loser might be the son of someone we know. Mike didn't keep professional distance, he lectured him like a relative or a friend of the family would. I almost hoped he'd be Mike and Nadine's son, but Loser only mentioned an interview.

See, that I'm interested in. Who are Loser's parents? Who is Becky's dad? How will this come to play with Bobby's investigation? How many original TP characters will be woven in this storyline? Will Wally be Becky's James? Is she the next Laura Palmer, or will there be an inversion and it will be Loser instead?

The only "new" thing that caught my attention otherwise was the guy in the bar. He's nu-BOB, isn't he? The weird aura, the way he held the girl, the actor's facial expressions, the threats (closer to the vocabulary used in Laura's diary) etc. everything reminded me of BOB, Frank Silva and Maddie's death.

Maybe at one point the show will be mostly about those characters (and others from the original) and explore those questions, hopefully before episode 18.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Happy Harpy

[Pete Martell]

31 minutes ago, Happy Harpy said:

The only "new" thing that caught my attention otherwise was the guy in the bar. He's nu-BOB, isn't he? The weird aura, the way he held the girl, the actor's facial expressions, the threats (closer to the vocabulary used in Laura's diary) etc. everything reminded me of BOB, Frank Silva and Maddie's death.

Apparently his character per credits is Richard Horne. Some are speculating he's a son of Audrey and Bob Cooper. That would be so heartbreaking for Audrey so I hope he will just be another of Ben's offspring, or Jerry's. 

[jsbt]

God, that was good.

Interesting to see Deputy Chad ("I'm gonna go have a talk with my pine cone") getting bribed by Richard Horne at the bar. I suspect Richard is Ben or Jerry's son. I'd find it more sinister if he actually was Audrey's ill-begotten son by Wheeler. It's the kind of slap in the face Lynch often pulled in the old series when he came back - I never forget the bit in the Season 2 premiere where, instead of treating Ben and Jerry as jolly fun, he opened on a handheld sequence of Jerry screaming at the struggling Blackie and making her beg for heroin. As fun as the Horne brothers can be (and he made them fun just as often as well) they were also often those terrible people. That's what Richard reminded me of - the worst of Twin Peaks' human darkness.

I didn't spot Heidi the German waitress, I'll have to go back and look. Sheryl Lee is credited as "Laura Palmer" in every episode it seems, even when she just appears in the opening.

There are so many small, sinister or beautiful pieces of pure David Lynch artistry here - the jail breakdown, the creepy stuff in Buenos Aires (last known location of Phillip Jeffries from FWWM), Becky's coke reverie. Even little things like showgirl Candie (played by Amy Shiels) letting her hand dreamily float about as the Mitchum brothers beat up their employee. The camera slowly creeping in Norma watching life happen with Becky and Shelly. And the final scene in the Roadhouse. Yes, the show is about violence against women. It always has been.

The moment with Sonny Jim was both touching and fascinating - and featured one of the first new pieces of Angelo Badalamenti music in the show. His eyes blinked backwards, like Laura's in the Lodge.

I still think the little boy and his druggie mother in Rancho Rosa are the Tremonds [old woman and grandson].

One more tidbit: Becky and Steven appear to be married. Becky goes by his name in the credits (Burnett). I was very happy to see Jade again, too. All the pieces are sliding together slowly. And even Harry is still in the narrative.

Candy Clark (Doris Truman) always cracks me up. And I loved Johnny Jewel's "Windswept" at the end.

Every week is more astonishing than the last. No, the Dougie saga does not bore me. It's the emotional heart of the show right now.

[Ottis]

It's amazing how people can come away with such different takes on this show. I have a friend who is enthralled, while I am mostly bored. It's almost like this show is performed in a different language to me.

I cannot get past how people (within the show, who knew him) accept such a low-functioning, weight-loss Dougie.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Ottis

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

 

I just remembered it but Don Murray (best known for The Misfits, although I know him best as Sid Fairgate on Knots Landing) as Dougie's boss. He's 87, amazingly enough. 

I read a review that mentioned Tom Sizemore was in it too. I haven't thought of him in years, since the Heidi Fleiss stuff. I guess he was the guy Cooper called a liar? 

 

1. Thanks! I didn't realize that was Don Murray! 

2.) Yes, Tom Sizemore was the salesman who Dougie called a liar. (I did recognize him.)

I'm wondering if there's some covert drug dealing going on in the modernized section of the Twin Peaks sheriff's department. Last night Officer Pine Cone took some ill-gotten money from Richard Horne (thanks @Pete Martell) and that one scene with Bobby and Sheriff Truman at the office? Wasn't buying Bobby's sudden need for a potty break after Truman started talking about the Chinese designer drug problem. I think he wanted to exit the conversation more urgently than he needed to pee. 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Guest

[Pete Martell]

45 minutes ago, Giant Misfit said:

1. Thanks! I didn't realize that was Don Murray! 

2.) Yes, Tom Sizemore was the salesman who Dougie called a liar. (I did recognize him.)

I'm wondering if there's some covert drug dealing going on in the modernized section of the Twin Peaks sheriff's department. Last night Officer Pine Cone took some ill-gotten money from Richard Horne (thanks @Pete Martell) and that one scene with Bobby and Sheriff Truman at the office? Wasn't buying Bobby's sudden need for a potty break after Truman started talking about the Chinese designer drug problem. I think he wanted to exit the conversation more urgently than he needed to pee. 

Apparently the poster of him on the wall may have been an Easter egg for Lynch's first film. reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6fcenp/s3e5_holy_hell_i_think_lynch_just_made_the_most/

I did have that feeling Bobby would be involved. It would make even more sense now that we know Becky is on drugs and so is her husband. I notice they aren't saying Shelly's name in the credits, so I don't know if that means they're trying to surprise us - make us think she isn't with Bobby, or maybe she's with someone who is going to be a real surprise (I just hope she isn't still with Leo), and then when we find out who they will be Becky's father. I wonder if they would have Bobby unwittingly cause the death of his own daughter - I guess one of the themes of this show has always been fathers hurting daughters but that's still very bleak. They did want us to see he had some good qualities so maybe if he is involved he can stop it before it's too late. 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Pete Martell

[hoodooznoodooz]

Way too many characters.

I watched season one voraciously, but started getting annoyed and didn't watch season two. I saw FWWM, but forgot a lot.  So I really am struggling with who all these people are.

I know very little about casinos. Dougie kept winning, but also kept wandering around without any regard to his winnings. The casino staff had to chase him down to give him the money.  What would have happened if the manager had just let him walk off without the $400K+?

Unpopular opinion, but I think they should have cast the original Laura Palmer with someone as beautiful as Amanda Siegfried. Sheryl Lee is pretty, but not stunning. Ducking.

I didn't recognize Madchen Amick when she appeared on Mad Men. That character seemed  kind of matronly.  But MA looked amazing in this episode, as if time stood still for her. 

I sound really shallow, don't I? And I'm a hetero  middle-aged woman. 

[luna1122]

Caleb Landry Jones is twitchy and a little odd looking, but I find him incredibly compelling. He's got a weird charisma.

Peggy Lipton looks freaking amazing. She's 70 but honestly, she and Madchen look almost like contemporaries. Crazy. Madchen also looked drop dead gorgeous in this episode. She looks harsher and older on Riverdale, but here, whether it's the makeup or the styling or the lighting or the character...she's stunning.

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Unpopular opinion, but I think they should have cast the original Laura Palmer with someone as beautiful as Amanda Siegfried. Sheryl Lee is pretty, but not stunning. Ducking.

Perhaps not so unpopular, I agree. And I'm also a hetero middle aged woman.

The Emma Stone lookalike friend is Jane Levy, of Suburgatory and Don't Breathe...she's a really good actor; I do hope she has more to do later.

[Pete Martell]

I think Sheryl was beautiful then and still is now and I don't think I'd have traded her incredible acting ability and charisma even if she wasn't beautiful, but that's just me. 

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[Guest]

1 hour ago, Pete Martell said:

Apparently the poster of him on the wall may have been an Easter egg for Lynch's first film. reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6fcenp/s3e5_holy_hell_i_think_lynch_just_made_the_most/

Ha! I knew that poster wasn't just some randomly selected piece of art. Good info! Also, one of the commenters on that thread mentioned how this series (movie, what have you) is like a catalog of all things Lynch has ever been interested in/delved into in his past works. I was fortunate enough to have spent one of the best afternoons of my life at his art retrospective called, "The Unified Field." (If I had all the money in the world at my disposal, I would have bought everything.) Anyway, all the surreality of this series (in particular The Evolution of the Arm) has reminded me very much of those magnificent pieces and the darkness and weirdness they asked us to see. The book is available on Amazon but there is nothing that could compare to seeing all his works in person, all at the same time. 

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6 minutes ago, luna1122 said:

Peggy Lipton looks freaking amazing. She's 70 but honestly, she and Madchen look almost like contemporaries. Crazy. Madchen also looked drop dead gorgeous in this episode.

Those two are products of what superior cosmetic surgery and procedures are capable of. They have had fantastic, subtle work done -- and I agree, ridiculously gorgeous. Take note, all Real Housewives.

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[Pete Martell]

4 minutes ago, luna1122 said:

Peggy Lipton looks freaking amazing. She's 70 but honestly, she and Madchen look almost like contemporaries. Crazy. Madchen also looked drop dead gorgeous in this episode. She looks harsher and older on Riverdale, but here, whether it's the makeup or the styling or the lighting or the character...she's stunning.

The few times I tried that show everything seemed grubby and hollow even when it wasn't intended to be. I kind of think parts of the new Twin Peaks are intended to be, but they are still being generous in how to shoot their cast, which I like. The old show was the same way. 

[Penman61]

5 hours ago, jsbt said:

Candy Clark (Doris Truman) always cracks me up. 

Lord, I did not recognize Candy Clark!  From American Graffiti!  Wow.  

Dougie's boss is played by Don Murray...who starred in the 1956 movie Bus Stop with...Marilyn Monroe, you guys.  Also, that was 61 years ago.  Wow, Bob, wow!

Got me thinking:  I admire the way that Lynch isn't shying away at all from aging, death, and loss as text and meta-text for his show's continuation 26 years later: Catherine Coulson, Don Murray, Miguel Ferrer...

Edited June 5, 2017 by Penman61

[jamblastx]

Still liking it overall but would want the Dougie storyline to move along and get back to Dale Cooper. Also would like more of actual Twin Peaks rather than the other settings and more from the original characters than just semi-cameos. That said, I have been enjoying some of the new characters as well for the most part. Not what I had expected but I am still hooked and enjoying it.

Now...the music...while I would love some more Angelo Badalamenti and I would REALLY love the entire Twin Peaks theme in the opening credits, the other music that they have played has been amazing. The Chromatics channeling Julee Cruise at the end of episode 2, Trouble channeling Morphine at the Bang Bang, the hooligans near Dougie's car listening to Uniform. Wow....it is rare that I would ever download music heard from a television show and so far I have downloaded three songs.

[Peanut6711]

11 hours ago, JustCrazy said:

If this doesn't improve soon, I'm out.  I fast forwarded a couple of times.  I don't give a shit about Las Vegas or Buenes Aries....get back to Twin Peaks AND STAY THERE!  I love weird and strange, but this is just boring.

Agree! This is seriously lacking the charisma the original show had. It's a bad parody when the show is named after it's setting yet over half of the episode is set somewhere else.  

11 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

I guess I didn't really see her as bitchy or as nagging Dougie, per se - I feel like that her main plot function is telling him what to do and being impatient with him, but I can understand why she acts that way, unlike Truman's wife, who just seemed to pop up to nag and nag while he looked vaguely annoyed. 

I do agree with you overall about the writing for women so far and it's been my biggest complaint about the new show - I thought it improved a fair amount in this episode though.

Oh I totally get why she's impatient with "Dougie." I could even understand why Mrs. Sheriff Truman is pissed off if this show actually embraced character development.  I mean, maybe the sheriff really is a cheap skate and won't let her buy things she wants but is okay with buying a large bucket as he appeases the time schedule of his good olde boys friends while his wife struggles with the mess at home.  It's not entirely clear the narrative Lynch is trying to tell but it's not hard to read it as a sexist one either. Again character development would go a long way.  So would using the newbies less and the original cast more.

I also read where Lynch filmed everything and then sliced it into episodes during post production. Some scenes like the sheriff and his wife one seem to be an example of that--they are just tossed in with nothing else to root them to the episode. 

9 hours ago, dwmckim said:

When the original TP was on, the male cast member i crushed hardest on was Gary Hershberger (Mike) so i recognized him immediately.  Wish that scene gave more indication as to specifically what company/industry he was working in or he was was even still in TP for that matter.

I kinda got the impression he was managing/working at an employment agency. Perhaps something about the way he talked about the resume and other employers.  I only connected it to the town of Twin Peaks when the loser applicant showed up w/Shelley's daughter. 

7 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:

It starts to grate, to seriously grate, when after the credits rolled for Twin Peaks the first scene takes place in Vegas. Couldn't care less about anything Vegas. Probably everything is going to lead to Cooper being back to Cooper but there are too many characters I don't give a flying fuck about and I resent for hogging screentime whereas WHERE IS AUDREY (an example at random...) so I'll invest when  the Real Dale Cooper stands up (by episode 17?) . And probably the plot and Easter Eggs and all will be genius level in hindsight but this kind of trick is OK with a 90 minutes movies, not an 18 hours serialized show that was branded as a revival/sequel and not a reboot. For now, it's just dull and painful to watch, so I FF most of it.

Maybe at one point the show will be mostly about those characters (and others from the original) and explore those questions, hopefully before episode 18.

As each episode passes, I fear the whole plot of this mess is simply going to be getting the real Coop back, which is sad because the real Dale Cooper is who viewers became enamored with and rooted for. He's our protagonist and returning him to his original self should have been accomplished in Part 1/2. Instead, I'm right there with you, annoyed and bored with undeveloped new characters, spotty use of the old ones, and lobotomy Cooper who is long past due to return to the coco's nest of Twin Peaks, WA.  

3 hours ago, Ottis said:

It's amazing how people can come away with such different takes on this show. I have a friend who is enthralled, while I am mostly bored. It's almost like this show is performed in a different language to me.

I cannot get past how people (within the show, who knew him) accept such a low-functioning, weight-loss Dougie.

It seems like (thankfully) not everyone is drinking the Lynch Kool-aid ;-)  

What I can't help but wonder is the dynamics of the relationship between Lynch and Showtime. Lynch has said it wasn't a hard choice to go with Showtime for the reboot. Then taking into account the problems at one point when Lynch was almost ousted from the show, and now seeing what this reboot looks like and is about, I'm starting to think the more interesting story is what went on behind the scenes.  After all, Showtime's vested interest in all this should be attracting new viewers and subscribers. I would think that unless the higher ups are buddy-buddy w/Lynch and owe him a few favors, then they would be looking for a show that not only maintains the original viewers but attracts new ones. 

And, yes, it's baffling (and taking a whole lot of suspension of disbelief) to understand how Dougie's family and co-workers are so accepting of his comatose behavior.  It would have gone a long way if Lynch would have included an opening scene, a prologue if you will, of what the real Dougie was like because I'm struggling to understand how a guy maintains a wife, kid, and job while going on days long bingers and losing exorbitant amounts of money.  

1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Way too many characters.

I watched season one voraciously, but started getting annoyed and didn't watch season two. I saw FWWM, but forgot a lot.  So I really am struggling with who all these people are.

Don't feel bad, I've watched both seasons again fairly recently as well as FWWM again a few days before this started airing and all that's proven to me is how terrible an imitation of the original this is.  It is definitely a struggle to watch. 

[Pete Martell]

2 minutes ago, Peanut6711 said:

As each episode passes, I fear the whole plot of this mess is simply going to be getting the real Coop back, which is sad because the real Dale Cooper is who viewers became enamored with and rooted for. He's our protagonist and returning him to his original self should have been accomplished in Part 1/2. Instead, I'm right there with you, annoyed and bored with undeveloped new characters, spotty use of the old ones, and lobotomy Cooper who is long past due to return to the coco's nest of Twin Peaks, WA.  

It seems like (thankfully) not everyone is drinking the Lynch Kool-aid ;-)  

What I can't help but wonder is the dynamics of the relationship between Lynch and Showtime. Lynch has said it wasn't a hard choice to go with Showtime for the reboot. Then taking into account the problems at one point when Lynch was almost ousted from the show, and now seeing what this reboot looks like and is about, I'm starting to think the more interesting story is what went on behind the scenes.  After all, Showtime's vested interest in all this should be attracting new viewers and subscribers. I would think that unless the higher ups are buddy-buddy w/Lynch and owe him a few favors, then they would be looking for a show that not only maintains the original viewers but attracts new ones. 

And, yes, it's baffling (and taking a whole lot of suspension of disbelief) to understand how Dougie's family and co-workers are so accepting of his comatose behavior.  It would have gone a long way if Lynch would have included an opening scene, a prologue if you will, of what the real Dougie was like because I'm struggling to understand how a guy maintains a wife, kid, and job while going on days long bingers and losing exorbitant amounts of money.  

I've seen a lot of heavy praise, some praise that maybe is too generous, but also criticism mixed in with praise. I think it's more that the negative reaction is often visceral, which will get a big counter-response. Mixed opinion is ignored.

I don't know if a show that ended 26 years ago is likely to maintain the original viewers. I think they were naive if they thought a show that crashed in the ratings and ended with a flop movie would do well in ratings. I'd tend to guess that they were hoping for word of mouth, buzz to bring people to Showtime, maybe decent streaming and signup numbers, or sales (I'd say DVD sales but I keep hearing people say no one buys DVDs now), and new viewers might get involved through their feelings about the current material. The ratings are probably lower than they expected but the rest may balance it out. If not, then they knew what they were getting.

I have a problem with Dougie's wife, mostly because she saw her husband was a complete mess yet expected him to be able to pay off the mobsters. It's idiot plotting. The people he works with don't bother me that much. He seemed to be a lowlife skirting the edges of society, he probably did the minimum, may have been in on the insurance scam plans. The little we saw of him seemed like a very sluggish man to me, not a world away from Cooper at present. I wouldn't have minded more setup, but I think most of the people involved are just the typical callous or self-involved people who would be less likely to care. It's not realistic, but it's not as unrealistic as it should be. 

I completely get why Cooper fans have no interest in seeing him stagger around half-dead for weeks. If this season is later deemed a failure I imagine that will be one of the main reasons why. And Cooper is the show's most iconic character so his fans have the most say in how it will be seen now and 20 years from now. Speaking as someone who lost most of my interest in Cooper during season 2 (to the point where I have to actually headcanon away a huge amount of his actions in order to be able to still like him), the whole Dougie thing and seeing him slowly get back to what he used to be has made me care more about him than I have in a long time. I want to see him find himself again and to reassert his heart, intelligence, etc. into the narrative. The journey makes me care. If it had been there from the start I'm not sure I would have. If someone had told me before the season started that Kyle would be playing 3 roles, I'd say it would be a waste of time or a vanity project. But to my surprise it's all worked for me much more than I thought it would, and it's connected me to Cooper in a way I haven't been since early season 1. 

Again though I'm not a huge huge fan of the character so if I were I might be well past fed up by now. 

[Penman61]

31 minutes ago, Peanut6711 said:

It seems like (thankfully) not everyone is drinking the Lynch Kool-aid ;-)  

I would never try to argue anyone out of their negative response to these first five episodes, but I hope that also means we don't have to insult those who have found them compelling and worthwhile.  If ANY artist's work is entitled to the "YMMV" treatment, it's David Goshdarn Lynch. 

/rant

[ChipBach]

Perhaps I just lack artsy sophistication but...  I found the episode to be a ponderous bore.  I guess the non-moving scene by scene pacing is deliberate and we end up moving the story along 3% from hour to hour.   I plan to hang on for a little longer, but lordy, when I am actually considering switching over to "Fear the Walking Dead" in the middle of TP I know they're losing me...

Edited June 5, 2017 by ChipBach

[loki567]

I think I'm close to trying to forget this series exist for a little bit, wait until all the parts are out, then have a binge watch where I can fast-forward through the scenes that feel useless i.e. NEARLY EVERYTHING! Probably knock this thing out in five hours and enjoy it much more that way. Because good lord, this pacing is just unbearable. 

Did get a laugh at Amanda Seyfried playing a new generation version of Laura, when she's already done that. Maybe I'll do a rewatch of Veronica Mars' first season until this is over...

[Pete Martell]

8 minutes ago, loki567 said:

Did get a laugh at Amanda Seyfried playing a new generation version of Laura, when she's already done that. Maybe I'll do a rewatch of Veronica Mars' first season until this is over...

I actually have to end up skipping a fair amount of that show on rewatch, mainly due to one actor in particular. I guess the shows really do have a lot in common.

[Peanut6711]

1 hour ago, Pete Martell said:

I've seen a lot of heavy praise, some praise that maybe is too generous, but also criticism mixed in with praise. I think it's more that the negative reaction is often visceral, which will get a big counter-response. Mixed opinion is ignored.

I don't know if a show that ended 26 years ago is likely to maintain the original viewers. I think they were naive if they thought a show that crashed in the ratings and ended with a flop movie would do well in ratings. I'd tend to guess that they were hoping for word of mouth, buzz to bring people to Showtime, maybe decent streaming and signup numbers, or sales (I'd say DVD sales but I keep hearing people say no one buys DVDs now), and new viewers might get involved through their feelings about the current material. The ratings are probably lower than they expected but the rest may balance it out. If not, then they knew what they were getting.

In the end it will be curious to see how it goes down--numbers and reception.  But so far from what has aired it seems hard to imagine completely new viewers (ones who didn't watch the series when it originally aired or who didn't pick up the show in the years since it's cancellation and help create the cult following) latching on to the plot and characters depicted thus far.  It seems like the appeal is very narrow and the buzz would indicate a necessity to be well versed in not only the original and the movie but also perhaps some of the commentary and ideologies surrounding the show and possibly Lynch's work in general. That's a big prerequisite (and possibly a turn off) for someone simply curious about the buzz.  I would imagine pay-for cable networks are always looking for the next hit to boost revenue and they've certainly sank a lot of marketing into advertising the return of TP, yet I don't see it drawing in the viewers like say previous big cable names like True Blood, Dexter, etc.  I know Lynch made the script top secret to the cast beyond their parts w/the exception of Kyle, but I can't help wonder who all at Showtime saw it before giving it the greenlight.  It just seems like they'd be looking for a broader audience appeal and specifically opening episodes that pulled more viewers in to developed, complex characters and a story arc that kept you hanging on the edge (rather than barely hanging in there as has been noted)  for each next episode.   There's an article out there (I think maybe Variety) that circles around some of the "challenges" the show faced getting off the ground. It's a promo piece so of course everyone interviewed gives careful, censored answers but if you read between the lines I don't think it's a stretch to infer there might have been more going on. 

1 hour ago, Penman61 said:

I would never try to argue anyone out of their negative response to these first five episodes, but I hope that also means we don't have to insult those who have found them compelling and worthwhile.  If ANY artist's work is entitled to the "YMMV" treatment, it's David Goshdarn Lynch. 

/rant

Oh I'm not saying anyone here is. My experience with Previously TV forums is largely that participants are open and interested in discussing and dissecting the shows for added insight, greater understanding, or to add to the viewing experience. But having popped over to the show's FB page opening night it was quite clear that the Lynch "fan girls" were out in full force, ready to debunk any and all constructive criticism and insist that those viewers just couldn't comprehend the great Oz Lynch and his masterpiece. The mood was certainly glowing comments only. 

[Kostgard]

I've mostly been enjoying this new run of episodes. I went into it knowing that Lynch was going to do his thing and was going to take his ol' sweet time doing it and I was prepared for that. But, I'm now hitting a wall as far as Cooper goes. It's time to bring Cooper back. We've had three episodes of him stumbling around Dougie's life, and it is time for him to return to form. A few things seemed to have knocked a couple tiny bits of the real Cooper lose - coffee, case files - but it is not enough. Someone give this man some cherry pie so he can come back to us.

Related to that, I want Gordon and Albert to step on it and figure out that something is up with Dark Cooper. I mean, they have, and apparently there's something hinky with his fingerprints (that a computer didn't catch?), but they need to speed it up on that thread too.

Weirdly, the non-Cooper stuff isn't bothering me. Watch Dr. Jacobi paint shovels for 10 minutes and then watch his wackadoo conspiracy theory web show? Sure. And of course Nadine is a fan (she looks great, by the way). Shelly gave birth to Laura, Jr? Sure. Why not. Shelly looks great, by the way. As does Norma (she's 70?!). 

Question on the hotel key - I know that it will get delivered to the Great Northern, but will there be any way they can trace it back to where it was mailed from? I'm just desperate for someone to figure out Dougie is Dale and get him back to Twin Peaks and back to his normal self.

[jsbt]

The show isn't going to be for people who expected the old show but updated. That's just the way it is. That's never going to change. There is no Twin Peaks without David Lynch (and Mark Frost) and this is the show they chose to make. Expecting Cooper to be back in Twin Peaks drinking coffee and eating pie at the diner and solving cases in a few episodes was never going to happen. I'm willing to bet it won't even happen by episode 9 or 10, if at all. I think the Dougie thing is a very detailed personal journey exquisitely performed and they can take as much time as they like AFAIC. The fact that it's going on and on almost seems designed by Lynch to weed people out.

I get that it's not for everyone and I respect that as much as I can, but I also think it's important to not lose sight of what it's always actually been. I love the new show for what it is, which is both very different and very familiar in ways people don't expect. It's supposed to make you uncomfortable and make you think and challenge your tolerance and leave you unsure whether to laugh, cry or just be disgusted. The original show did back then. Its most familiar elements from the past - the comforting aspects - have allowed people to downplay or forget the effect from the original run.

All this show is doing now is the same as it did then, namely alienating people who couldn't handle the intensity of Lynch's focus and vision. Same thing happened in Season 2 from the very first episode back after Cooper got shot, same thing with FWWM. People love to praise the episode where Laura's killer is revealed today but by the time that episode aired in 1990, most of the public had already stopped watching and dismissed the show as "too weird" and "not fun anymore". Now it's legendary. Everything has always happened before and will happen again.

The show is already a critical success, but I think the audience will remain divided between love and hate (it's the same with diehard fans outside here, incidentally). And that's fine with me. It's always been that way.

Edited June 5, 2017 by jsbt

[jsbt]

1 hour ago, Peanut6711 said:

I can't help wonder who all at Showtime saw it before giving it the greenlight.  It just seems like they'd be looking for a broader audience appeal and specifically opening episodes that pulled more viewers in to developed, complex characters and a story arc that kept you hanging on the edge (rather than barely hanging in there as has been noted)  for each next episode.   There's an article out there (I think maybe Variety) that circles around some of the "challenges" the show faced getting off the ground. It's a promo piece so of course everyone interviewed gives careful, censored answers but if you read between the lines I don't think it's a stretch to infer there might have been more going on. 

Showtime doesn't care (and yes, they did see the script). They gave Lynch a blank check because (from what I was told by people at the network) the prestige of him and the show were a calculated business decision to increase their artistic profile opposite HBO. Critically, that has already paid off over the last four weeks.

The show is a limited series with a definite ending. Lynch may or may not choose to want to continue and Showtime may or may not agree to that, but as it is it's designed to have an ending.

Edited June 5, 2017 by jsbt

[Happy Harpy]

11 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

Apparently his character per credits is Richard Horne. Some are speculating he's a son of Audrey and Bob Cooper. That would be so heartbreaking for Audrey so I hope he will just be another of Ben's offspring, or Jerry's. 

On the one hand, it wouldn't surprise me that Audrey's son is the new character with the most charisma.

On the other hand, 25 years later it still stings how they dumbed her down in the last episodes. I've always figured that Audrey would be the one able to tell Cooper apart from Evil Coop, because so many reasons. I'm ready to forgive a LOT if they do right by Audrey and Cooper (and I can't imagine Real Dale Cooper's reaction to an Evil Spawn, or to thinking he abused Audrey, because that's what he'd think. He'd be more than heartbroken.)

 

3 hours ago, Penman61 said:

I would never try to argue anyone out of their negative response to these first five episodes, but I hope that also means we don't have to insult those who have found them compelling and worthwhile.  If ANY artist's work is entitled to the "YMMV" treatment, it's David Goshdarn Lynch. 

/rant

It goes both ways. For example, Lynch's fanboys repeatedly insulted Ausiello on TV Line because he was according to them the "only" dissenting critic. And let's not talk about the "everybody loves it everywhere but here", attempts at invalidating any criticism with the good ol' "the majority loves it so you must be wrong".

I wish I enjoyed the revival more than I do, so I'm very glad as a fan (since my teenage...thankfully there were no social media back then) for the fans who love it. But I don't want to be lectured about how it's "too deep" or "too challenging" or "too something" for me, as if my criticism could only steam from a problem with *me*.

15 minutes ago, jsbt said:

The show isn't going to be for people who expected the old show but updated.

Then don't call it a "revival" or a "sequel". Call it a "reboot", call it " Vegas, South Dakota" and not "Twin Peaks". It's dishonest to play on people's expectations for a continuation of the old show in order to get subscriptions/people to watch, not deliver, and then expect people to not be disappointed.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Happy Harpy

[Andromeda]

Really disappointed so far. I was so excited about the reboot, ever since I heard about it a year and a half ago. (I watched the original airing, BTW -- it's been a long time for me.) I rewatched all the shows and the movie, and read the Laura Palmer book.

This is lacking the charm of the original Twin Peaks for the most part, because it doesn't take place in Twin Peaks! It would be as alien as 75% of Northern Exposure taking place in New York City.

I'm still watching, but the pacing also is terrible. We really need 10 minutes focused on a single character reacting or thinking? (That's what it feels like, if not longer.) Also, the attempts to bring back the original charm are misfiring. For instance, Lucy just seems stupid to me, not cute and quirky (the reaction to a cell phone? Say what?). Yawn. 

The setting was as much a character of this show as the actual characters. I want to know about the character of Twin Peaks -- what is its vibe 25 years later? The mill burned down -- how do people support themselves? Is the town in decline, or on an upswing? Is there a new electronic company in town people work at? Or a bunch of closed storefronts? Is it infested with meth addiction?

Of course, I sort of lost faith in Lynch when, in his new book with Frost, he described Twin Peaks as being  in NORTHWEST Washington. According to the pilot (and common sense), it's in NORTHEAST Washington. Rhonda walked along the train tracks from Idaho (7 or 9 miles from the Washington border), which was the excuse to get the FBI involved as it was an interstate crime.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Andromeda

[jsbt]

5 minutes ago, Happy Harpy said:

It goes both ways. For example, Lynch's fanboys repeatedly insulted Ausiello on TV Line because he was according to them the "only" dissenting critic. And let's not talk about the "everybody loves it everywhere but here", attempts at invalidating any criticism with the good ol' "the majority loves it so you must be wrong".

That's not what I said. The point was it's already a critical success which has fulfilled the network's objective. 

I thought Michael Ausiello's review was hilariously aggrieved and off-base as he complained that the show was not like Season 1 - something the show has not been since well before 1991, Season 2 or Fire Walk with Me - which to me demonstrated a fundamentally superficial understanding of the show or David Lynch. And I think he was definitely naive and entitled to expect it to return to that. That being said, I didn't take time out of my day to go insult him and I'm really not interested in taking responsibility for other people's comments on some other website. I do happen to think he was wildly wrong. YMMV.

It's dishonest to play on people's expectations for a continuation of the old show in order to get subscriptions/people to watch, not deliver, and then expect people to not be disappointed.

That's your call. I don't agree. They're making what they wanted to make. I've loved the show since it first aired and I don't feel scammed, so nothing is so black and white.

[Happy Harpy]

Just now, jsbt said:

Yes, I see. I thought the sentiment was directed at people on the forum who liked the show, as though they were responsible for that behavior. If it wasn't then that's my mistake...

...And those comments made by me was directed quite explicitly at TV critic Michael Ausiello, so that would be yours.

No, sincerely it wasn't. As you see, when I have something to say to someone I'm quite direct. Like a pitbull charging direct. My comment can only apply to people who behaved condescendingly and certainly not to people who are simply enjoying the show. 

Maybe it isn't how you meant it, we seem on very different wavelengths, but your comment about Ausiello's opinion can apply to a bunch (a biiig bunch?) of fans who expected a "return to S1" and are disappointed. Aaand I will stop here with public posts.

While I think of it. Anyone knows if  "The Return"will  be the title of choice for every episode, is a default title because D.Lynch refused to give any, or will change when Cooper is finally back to himself and TP? So that I can have a little party planned if I ever see a change, LOL.

[peachmangosteen]

12 hours ago, Ottis said:

I cannot get past how people (within the show, who knew him) accept such a low-functioning, weight-loss Dougie.

 

Me either. It just seems so odd. But everything's odd so I guess it does fit.

9 hours ago, luna1122 said:

Peggy Lipton looks freaking amazing. She's 70 ...

 

WHAT?! No way! Who is her surgeon because that is some damn good work!

6 hours ago, ChipBach said:

Perhaps I just lack artsy sophistication ...

 

This is how I feel lol. But I feel that way about the original too. I don't really 'get' it. But I found things to enjoy and be connected to in the original and I am doing the same with this new version.

6 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

I actually have to end up skipping a fair amount of [Veronica Mars] on rewatch, mainly due to one actor in particular.

 

 

Oh, which actor?

I thought the actor playing the creepy rapist was fantastic. And I really hope Jane Levy has more to do because I love her. I had no idea she was going to be in this. I also thought the actor playing Becky's husband was good and I will shamefully admit I think he's attractive. The scene with Becky high in the car was fascinating to me and just really evoked Laura.

Where is Audrey? Sherilyn Finn is for sure in this thing, right?

This was probably my fave ep overall so far. I am getting more and more intrigued by everything. I am finding the journey hard to get through in some ways, but at the same time, I am very interested to see where everything goes. 

ETA: Oh, the shot of Bob/Cooper in the mirror was creepy and awesome.

Edited June 5, 2017 by peachmangosteen