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9 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

 

Raven just admitted that some doctors think her disease is in her head. It probably is, to be honest. I think she needs genuine help after the show's over. Man, Michelle was crazy at times, but nowhere near Raven's level. 

A part of me wonders if she is the way she is due to being brainwashed by her mother.  It's obvious her mom is likely a nutcase AND also supposedly has a terminal illness AND seems to jump at any opportunity to get free money - so maybe Raven is the victim of munchausen by proxy?  I would like to think an adult child wouldn't be victim to that but Raven doesn't seem like the brightest bulb. 

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I remember hearing Paul outright say something similar to, 'I'm safe again this week because I won HOH,' so he was pretty blatant about it at least at one point. So I think if he was allowed to do that then they can't really say anything about Jess. 

I think it might've been fine for Jess to tell Kevin about the Temptation. I figure she hoped he'd tell others and then maybe people would be too scared to even nominate her/Cody. But I imagine once the curse is revealed this Thursday that her telling Kevin might backfire.

Catching up on some stuff from last night.

Alex: We need to take out Cody and then take out Mark.
Christmas: I think Elena first. She is a stronger competitor.
Alex: Cody and Elena cause if we leave the two girls together, they will scheme.
Paul: You are right.

Alex/Paul/Christmas for next week's noms imo.

I would wish for Elena to win HOH because I'm afraid she's going to be in danger very soon, but she's still up Paul's ass and I really don't want to see him get exactly what he wants again.

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14 minutes ago, gunderda said:

A part of me wonders if she is the way she is due to being brainwashed by her mother.  It's obvious her mom is likely a nutcase AND also supposedly has a terminal illness AND seems to jump at any opportunity to get free money - so maybe Raven is the victim of munchausen by proxy?  I would like to think an adult child wouldn't be victim to that but Raven doesn't seem like the brightest bulb. 

No doctor is going to implant a gastric stimulator without her having gastroparesis.  When it comes to her 2nd disease who knows.  I have not heard her say the name. 

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7 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Alex: We need to take out Cody and then take out Mark.
Christmas: I think Elena first. She is a stronger competitor.
Alex: Cody and Elena cause if we leave the two girls together, they will scheme.
Paul: You are right.

Alex/Paul/Christmas for next week's noms imo.

I agree with Christmas. I view Elena as a much bigger threat than Cody. She actually has a social game. Mark would be down the list for me. No one trusts him and he's not good at challenges.

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Elena was playing so well up until this week. Or I guess last week. Trying to reignite her relationship with Jess was a good idea, but she spent too much time with her and it really backfired. Also, this week she is being very stupid in not talking to anyone about the vote and just assuming everyone's voting out Josh. But her biggest mistake imo, as is literally everyone in this cast's biggest mistake, is trusting Paul's every word and sliding up his ass.

Elena is one of the few people I think I might marginally like as a person, but a part of me kinda wants next week's noms to be Mark/Elena. I think it'd be interesting to see Elena nommed. And of course Mark will be so fun to see nommed. 

But then the other part of me wants one of them to win HOH so Paul and his minions don't get what they want.

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25 minutes ago, gunderda said:

A part of me wonders if she is the way she is due to being brainwashed by her mother.  It's obvious her mom is likely a nutcase AND also supposedly has a terminal illness AND seems to jump at any opportunity to get free money - so maybe Raven is the victim of munchausen by proxy?  I would like to think an adult child wouldn't be victim to that but Raven doesn't seem like the brightest bulb. 

Well, I think she has gastroparesis, that much I don't doubt. I think she really did become a very sick child and she was in danger of dying since she was diagnosed. But I also believe that her mother exploited her for all that she could while Raven was sick. Look at that news media coverage when Raven was a young teenager. I think she was a sick girl who did need help, but her mother probably used her to get money out of it. Because of that, Raven learned that it was acceptable behaviour and when she did get better once she had her surgery to put the pacemaker in (and I do think that surgery did significantly prolong her life and she probably would have died sooner without it), that behaviour from her family probably stuck with her. 

I think what's interesting about this season is that I can understand why many of these houseguests are the way that they are. I can see why Cody's the way he is through learning about his experiences. I can see why Christmas chose to stay in the house after she broke her foot. I can see why Raven's the way that she is too. I may not agree, but I can see how their experiences have shaped them to be the people that they are now. 

I think Raven over exaggerates and lies about stuff, but it could be because she learned that it's how to get sympathy. It bugs me to no end and I don't like Raven any better, but I can see what might go through her head, subconsciously or not.

As for the whole "disease is in her head", I think it's more about how she might feel like she's sicker than she actually is now. I think she might still be in the mindset that she was as a teenager, when she actually probably would have died by her late-twenties. Not that I know much about the disease in the first place, but she seems to be healthy enough to live much longer than she says that she will now. 

I just have no idea if Raven knows that she's lying or if she actually believes in what she's telling the other houseguests. Maybe she doesn't realize what she's doing. I'm not sure how she could have no idea that she conveniently gains a limp whenever Christmas is around, talking about her injury, or the fact that she can't stop talking about her many fake diseases, but I'm not sure I want to know what goes on in her head. 

4 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

But then the other part of me wants one of them to win HOH so Paul and his minions don't get what they want.

I want one of them to win HOH, moreso than them being nominated. Mark irritates me now, but Paul in power irritates me more. I want Alex/Raven nominated, with Paul as a backdoor option. Alex annoys me because without her, Jason/Kevin would be flipped to the other side. Raven would freak out, being on the block, which would be fun. Paul just needs to go because his eviction changes the entire game, and I want that. 

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12 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Also, this week she is being very stupid in not talking to anyone about the vote and just assuming everyone's voting out Josh.

Actually, from what I read on Jokers, she and Mark are "suspect" because they keep asking people about the vote.  Eh, when it comes down to this groupthink Big Brother mentality of needing someone to go after, there's really nothing Elena can do to NOT be considered suspect.  That ship has long since sailed. 

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Wouldn't it be fun if in the end Kevin wins BB over Paul and wins the $500,000 because of his great social game.  I could see all of them voting for Kevin rather than Paul.

I'm still in shock that Jessica didn't take out Ramses and insert Paul.  Ramses is Pauls target...not Jessica's.  She's doing Paul's dirty work. 

Right now she thinks Josh is going home.  Announcement:  He's probably staying to mess with her and drive Cody nuts another week!

These gals remind me of The Stepford Wives.  They don't think for themselves. 

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49 minutes ago, wings707 said:

No doctor is going to implant a gastric stimulator without her having gastroparesis.  When it comes to her 2nd disease who knows.  I have not heard her say the name. 

Agree. And I think I've heard her say they don't have a name for her 2nd disease. 

Unfortunately one of the problems many GP sufferers have is that many doctors easily conclude that it's all in their heads. It's a hard condition to diagnose, and even harder to treat. 

While I'm sure she has GP, I sincerely doubt she could be on the show if it were as serious as she's trying to present it to be .

Lastly, I'm sure "it's" all in her head, but I'm not quite sure what "it" might be. There is at least one flock of bats in that belfrey, probably more , not to mention whatever else is crawling around in there. 

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1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

Elena was playing so well up until this week. Or I guess last week. Trying to reignite her relationship with Jess was a good idea, but she spent too much time with her and it really backfired. Also, this week she is being very stupid in not talking to anyone about the vote and just assuming everyone's voting out Josh. But her biggest mistake imo, as is literally everyone in this cast's biggest mistake, is trusting Paul's every word and sliding up his ass.

Elena is one of the few people I think I might marginally like as a person, but a part of me kinda wants next week's noms to be Mark/Elena. I think it'd be interesting to see Elena nommed. And of course Mark will be so fun to see nommed. 

But then the other part of me wants one of them to win HOH so Paul and his minions don't get what they want.

I like Elena and disappointed in what is happening, too.  Her blind trust in Paul has stopped her from even trying to see what is going on right under her nose.  

I would rather see Matt and Raven nominated because I see no hope for any good strategy with either of them.   I think Elena has potential and she influences Mark to some degree.  So maybe. 

Cody winning HOH is the only one I can see getting PP* on the block.

 

* for those who missed this PP is the acronym for Paul and the Paulettes, coined by @Nashville

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17 minutes ago, Cutty said:

There's been so little game talk this season, and most of it is initiated by Paul. Very strange.

Bit off topic but I just saw a picture of Elena before all the plastic surgery. She looks like a totally different person.

She looks a lot like Nicole.  She only had her lips done, some are saying her nose but that looks the same.  And she had a breast reduction!  

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1 hour ago, wings707 said:

No doctor is going to implant a gastric stimulator without her having gastroparesis.  When it comes to her 2nd disease who knows.  I have not heard her say the name. 

Oh I'm not saying she doesn't have it at all.... Lady calypso down blow explains much better what I was thinking.  I think her current mindset of her disease comes from her mother. Her mother may be telling her constantly that she could die any day. 

1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

Well, I think she has gastroparesis, that much I don't doubt. I think she really did become a very sick child and she was in danger of dying since she was diagnosed. But I also believe that her mother exploited her for all that she could while Raven was sick. Look at that news media coverage when Raven was a young teenager. I think she was a sick girl who did need help, but her mother probably used her to get money out of it. Because of that, Raven learned that it was acceptable behaviour and when she did get better once she had her surgery to put the pacemaker in (and I do think that surgery did significantly prolong her life and she probably would have died sooner without it), that behaviour from her family probably stuck with her. 

I think what's interesting about this season is that I can understand why many of these houseguests are the way that they are. I can see why Cody's the way he is through learning about his experiences. I can see why Christmas chose to stay in the house after she broke her foot. I can see why Raven's the way that she is too. I may not agree, but I can see how their experiences have shaped them to be the people that they are now. 

I think Raven over exaggerates and lies about stuff, but it could be because she learned that it's how to get sympathy. It bugs me to no end and I don't like Raven any better, but I can see what might go through her head, subconsciously or not.

As for the whole "disease is in her head", I think it's more about how she might feel like she's sicker than she actually is now. I think she might still be in the mindset that she was as a teenager, when she actually probably would have died by her late-twenties. Not that I know much about the disease in the first place, but she seems to be healthy enough to live much longer than she says that she will now. 

yes, this exactly is more so what I meant, not that she was completely lying.  

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1:00 PM BBT: Cody told Jessica that the veto ceremony went perfectly. Jessica told Cody that Christmas said that since it’s going to be a unanimous vote, she wanted to give Josh a pity vote, but Jessica said that she wants it to be unanimous vote no matter what. Cody said that Christmas is an idiot and that they can use that conversation against her if Ramses wins HOH.

 

 

This is from Feedsters recap of the day yesterday.  LOL!!!

http://bbfeedster.com/big-brother-19-day-34-recap/

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I think the problem at least for me when it comes to Raven is that I don't doubt that she has GP- it's clear as day that there is something in her stomach. But it's one thing to talk about your medical issues when you first enter the house and tell your story. But it's another thing to continuously harp on it pretty much everyday. If someone asks you a question about it of course you can answer/explain. But she just doesn't stop, and honestly it's doing her no favors with the other houseguests. It's clear that they are over it- and obviously feel sympathetic that she's gone through these things. But it isn't help her game wise- because either 1. They want her out because they are afraid other people are going to give her the money because she's sick or 2. They get to the point where they can't listen to her talk about it anymore so they just vote her out to shut it all up. 

It's sad to me because yes, I understand that this is a big part of her life. But she's basically made it her whole life- because ANYTIME I turn on the feeds she's talking about it. I have a few friends that have medical issues- and I barely hear a peep out of them regarding their issues unless I ask. They don't let it define them. She lets this define her. 

Christmas literally shattered her foot- and I don't hear her talk about it 24/7- yeah she gets frustrated here and there- but this JUST happened to her. 

Bottom line is- I don't think she's doing herself any favors by constantly talking about it. Just let it be- they all know you have GP. 

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5 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

I never want Paul to get what he wants but I also can't wait to see Cody and Jess blindsided (again). They're both just so so bad at this game, they deserve to have those terrible noms bite them. Maybe two blindsides will finally open their eyes.

I am looking forward to Cody "striking the fear of god into them (should they go against Jess in the vote)."  Lol  

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3 hours ago, wings707 said:

listening to her, my immediate thought is that she seems to talk about it way more than most.  many people with "terminal" diseases don't want to be defined by their disease and once people know about it they don't constantly keep yakking about it.  Watching that clip, I think the others have had it with all her disease talk.

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2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Wouldn't it be fun if in the end Kevin wins BB over Paul and wins the $500,000 because of his great social game.  I could see all of them voting for Kevin rather than Paul.

As I watch BBAD and listen to the plotting, it is evident to me that the last man standing will be Kevin. Kevin is so off their radar. They will pick each other off one by one by one... and Kevin will remain with the last person who manages to stay safe during the elimination process. 

I really think Kevin is poised to win this game. 

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1 hour ago, wings707 said:

She looks a lot like Nicole.  She only had her lips done, some are saying her nose but that looks the same.  And she had a breast reduction!  

I almost fell off the chair.  She looks exactly like Nicole...the winner of Season 18 that beat Paul.  That had to give him something to think about. 

Ok maybe I'm a bit behind but have they had the POV meeting and are Ramses and Josh still on the block with NO replacements?  I just can't believe that dumb of a move by Jessica. 

I watched BBAD and Raven cleared out a whole pool full of guests with her woe is me airport story.  Really Raven!!!

7 minutes ago, DakotaLavender said:

As I watch BBAD and listen to the plotting, it is evident to me that the last man standing will be Kevin. Kevin is so off their radar. They will pick each other off one by one by one... and Kevin will remain with the last person who manages to stay safe during the elimination process. 

I really think Kevin is poised to win this game. 

And the strange thing is that Kevin survived week one.  When I saw him enter the house I thought to myself 'first one out'.  He is surely Mr. Personality.

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7 minutes ago, DakotaLavender said:

As I watch BBAD and listen to the plotting, it is evident to me that the last man standing will be Kevin. Kevin is so off their radar. They will pick each other off one by one by one... and Kevin will remain with the last person who manages to stay safe during the elimination process. 

I really think Kevin is poised to win this game. 

There will come a time, closer to the end, where someone will say, you don't want to sit next to Kevin, he will win!  Bound to happen.  

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I often wonder what this season would be like had Paul not made a come back. 

I think Alex and Christmas make a really good girls team...couple.  Didn't I hear Jessica say Alex was a bigger threat than Josh and one she more wanted to get rid of?  What made her...back off? 

1 minute ago, zorak said:

This is the 2nd time this morning I've heard Raven say to someone in a baby voice, "Good morning!  Did you get sleepy weepies?"  Blech.

Is Matt still hanging onto her or has that fizzled out?

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Just now, Jeanne222 said:

Is Matt still hanging onto her or has that fizzled out?

I think Jessica summed it up pretty accurately when she was talking to Cody yesterday about Matt and Raven's relationship.  She said that it's really weird because they act like brother and sister but at night they're banging each other.  I think he doesn't really like her all that much and is just using her to get as far as he can in the game and also for sex. 

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6 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

I often wonder what this season would be like had Paul not made a come back. 

I think Alex and Christmas make a really good girls team...couple.  Didn't I hear Jessica say Alex was a bigger threat than Josh and one she more wanted to get rid of?  What made her...back off? 

Is Matt still hanging onto her or has that fizzled out?

They were full on couple mode last night.  Pretty much glued to each other.  Or maybe Raven was just glued to Matt and he couldn't get away. 

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4 hours ago, gunderda said:

A part of me wonders if she is the way she is due to being brainwashed by her mother.  It's obvious her mom is likely a nutcase AND also supposedly has a terminal illness AND seems to jump at any opportunity to get free money - so maybe Raven is the victim of munchausen by proxy?  I would like to think an adult child wouldn't be victim to that but Raven doesn't seem like the brightest bulb. 

50 minutes ago, watch2much said:

listening to her, my immediate thought is that she seems to talk about it way more than most.  many people with "terminal" diseases don't want to be defined by their disease and once people know about it they don't constantly keep yakking about it.  Watching that clip, I think the others have had it with all her disease talk.

Slightly OT but slightly related:

Raven reminds me of an old friend of mine, which is probably why she annoyed me so much in the beginning (and makes me laugh now). I'd known my friend from a young age and always knew that she had a Terrible Disease. If anyone ever got into a fight with her - as pre-teens will do - it was "Well, the doctors said she won't live past 16. It would be nice if you could all just get along." But then as 16 neared, the goal posts moved to 18. And then 25. And throughout it all, because of the way her mom raised her to use her Terrible Disease as an excuse for shitty behavior or as an apology or whatever, my friend started to do it. If the attention wasn't on her, it was suddenly "Oh, I'm not feeling well! Oh, my Terrible Disease." I gave up around that point and just cut her out of my life - and caught a lot of flak from our social circles because she was Dying of a Terrible Disease and this could be her Last Days. Said friend is currently in her mid-thirties with a manageable blood disorder, twin one year olds, a fiancé, and the Woe is Me routine has calmed down considerably. We've started slowly reconnecting recently. 

Much like in Raven's case, there was a lot of side eyeing at my friend from other people. The constant Make a Wish talk, the needing to take to her bed suddenly, the trips that were paid for by other people to go take part in experimental treatments but would be stretched into two week vacations for the three kids to theme parks to make up for the two days spent in hospital for one kid...

I get it. I really do. Maybe because I kinda lived through something like that. And the worst part was, when she was just my friend and she didn't define herself by her disease, she was a great girl. Fun, bubbly, good sense of humour, and we both liked different guys in different boy bands so that was a bonus. But those moments came few and far between the hand on the forehead, swooning back routines. And now older and looking back, I can see where her mother heavily influenced her in those moments.

When it's all you know, it becomes your life. It becomes the life of the people around you, whether they want it to be or not. There are times, looking back, that I feel like I was a part of their schemes (and yes, I would call them schemes now) for paid vacations and even unknowingly benefited from some of them. When the majority of the attention you get is pats on the head and sympathy, you keep actively reaching for that same sort of attention. When everything is handed to you because you're Sick, you keep expecting everything to be handed to you. The disease is real but the real disease is how it can mentally change people.

So I hope one day that Raven can be like my friend and somehow get away from the influence of people who help keep her in that vicious circle of sympathy and she learns how to live and has a wonderful, long life. But until then, it's fucking exhausting. 

 

16 minutes ago, zorak said:

This is the 2nd time this morning I've heard Raven say to someone in a baby voice, "Good morning!  Did you get sleepy weepies?"  Blech.

Of course, then there's this shit. Well, at least I can bring it back around to fully on topic. "Sleepy weepies"? I don't even talk to my cat like that! Actually, I'd pay to see Raven say to Matt what I say to my cat when I wake up in the morning. "Hey, you furry asshole. Thanks for waking me up five times last night. Sleep well? Jerk."

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So far, things are still breaking very well for Paul. Obviously, when the numbers get smaller, someone will make a move on him, but he is so well connected (and by people thinking that it is THEIR idea to do so, which is really strong work by Paul. I have to give the guy credit. He's a total piece of shit, but he's using his vet status beautifully) that I don't think he is in any danger of going until Final 4, and at that point, it's such a crap shoot that all he needs to do is win F4 HoH or F4 Veto and he probably goes to the finals. 

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2 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

So far, things are still breaking very well for Paul. Obviously, when the numbers get smaller, someone will make a move on him, but he is so well connected (and by people thinking that it is THEIR idea to do so, which is really strong work by Paul. I have to give the guy credit. He's a total piece of shit, but he's using his vet status beautifully) that I don't think he is in any danger of going until Final 4, and at that point, it's such a crap shoot that all he needs to do is win F4 HoH or F4 Veto and he probably goes to the finals. 

I reluctantly agree.  I wouldn't even say he is a piece of shit; I think he is a decent guy.  To play well you have to be devious, lie and manipulate.  It is boring and not fun to see only one player.  I wish some others would pick up some of his tricks that we all hate!  LOL

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9 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

So far, things are still breaking very well for Paul. Obviously, when the numbers get smaller, someone will make a move on him, but he is so well connected (and by people thinking that it is THEIR idea to do so, which is really strong work by Paul. I have to give the guy credit. He's a total piece of shit, but he's using his vet status beautifully) that I don't think he is in any danger of going until Final 4, and at that point, it's such a crap shoot that all he needs to do is win F4 HoH or F4 Veto and he probably goes to the finals. 

The only saving grace is that a player this out in front this early usually doesn't make it (Derrick notwithstanding, though even he wasn't this active this soon).

We all thought Paulie was going to run it all the way to the end last season and things collapsed on him pretty quickly.

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Just now, Cutty said:

The only saving grace is that a player this out in front this early usually doesn't make it (Derrick notwithstanding, though even he wasn't this active this soon).

We all thought Paulie was going to run it all the way to the end last season and things collapsed on him pretty quickly.

Yeah but we've seen that Paul can rally when he's down at the bottom and claw his way back up. Paulie couldn't. He threw hissy fits over apple pies.

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Raven's brother is now a hacker. He hacks into her computer all the time. 

Christmas tells her that she should probably set up her computer so now one can do that.

Raven goes "oh it doesn't matter, he's just that good and he'd be able to do it no matter what"

ok....

Raven is also not a true redhead.  

And her natural is white hair (brown with white streaks)

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Josh is getting paranoid.  He cornered Jason in the storage room.  He asks why everyone was running around last night. Jason said because Mark was going around trying to figure out vote.  But nothing happened so he's not talking about it anymore.

Josh is rambling off what they should do and what will happen. Josh asks him to let him know if he hears anything or if he needs to go talk to someone. 

Jason says ok, but just stay calm

8 minutes ago, gunderda said:

Raven's brother is now a hacker. He hacks into her computer all the time. 

Christmas tells her that she should probably set up her computer so now one can do that.

Raven goes "oh it doesn't matter, he's just that good and he'd be able to do it no matter what"

ok....

Raven is also not a true redhead.  

And her natural is white hair (brown with white streaks)

Point One: Words mean things. Hacking is not leaving your computer on and Facebook open. It annoys the fuck out of me when I see those "lulz, u gotz haxx0r3d" statuses on social media. 

Point Two: Raven, you're not fucking Rogue from X-Men. I know you like to call yourself an X-Man because of your genetic anomaly but give me a fucking break.

Oh, good. I'm back to snarking at her. I was worried after my long, heartfelt post upthread that I was losing my touch. Whew. All systems operational in Callaphera Land.  

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6 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Ravens brother has access to her computer because she probably gave him permission at one point to clean it or fix something.  He had remote access and closed a window she was in to freak her out.   I doubt he will be pleased that she called him a hacker on the feeds.  

I think the term she actually used was "code breaker"  lol 

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22 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Ravens brother has access to her computer because she probably gave him permission at one point to clean it or fix something.  He had remote access and closed a window she was in to freak her out.   I doubt he will be pleased that she called him a hacker on the feeds.  

I don't think anyone would be pleased to be called a hacker if they're not one.

ETA: Had a link and deleted it just in case.

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don't want to spread false info; should have done more research
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4 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

True. I might have to edit my post in case it's not true. 

Actually, I'm just gonna edit it now, because it may not even be true. 

I did the same.

I'm kinda glad that Twitter thought that I was a bot when I signed up for an account the other week (apparently not confirming your account in five minutes or less means something?). Otherwise, I'd be tempted to cast my Raven snark fishing hook in a larger pond and see what - or who - bites. I retired from being a troll awhile back, though. Just sometimes, you get that itch...

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