Sex And The City - General Discussion

[BlueMoon81]

On 8/19/2019 at 1:04 PM, blondiec0332 said:

That bothered me so much.  Charlotte (which I mean the writers) were saying marriage is always the end game. Didn't matter if Big and Carrie had been happily together with the way things were. If he don't put a ring on it then it doesn't count.

And that’s what bothered me as well. I always thought the show was supposed to be about pushing back against the conventional parameters that society throws women into—and to showcase that a woman could be happy without fitting within the all-too-familiar archetype of “you must be married to your beau in order for it to really count/mean something.” It seemed like they were on their way to creating that type of show in S1, but as the seasons progressed....they slipped into many of the conventional, close-minded, romantic comedy tropes (including Carrie’s nauseating view of the sexual spectrum). I thought it would’ve been a powerful narrative to have Miranda/Steve realize that they have a great bond/friendship, be wonderful co-parents, but realize they weren’t meant to be together romantically...and be fine with that. Instead they went with the “let’s have Miranda realize that she’s hopelessly in love with Steve so we can tie it up with a nice bow” typical ending

Same with Carrie, I thought her ending up single (yet far more knowledgeable about the love she has for HERSELF) would’ve been a great message

17 hours ago, Hiyo said:

I think she loved the idea of Big more the she actually loved Big. In her mind, she was this scrappy edgy downtown girl who ended up with an uptown captain of industry/king of the universe kind of guy, so, um, yay for her?

That sums up how I think Carrie feels about Big as well. She loves the IDEA of him more than she loves actually him 

[voiceover]

RIP Valerie Harper, who had one of the more memorable guest star turns in the series' second year.

She was Wallis, the charismatic mother of Justin Theroux's short story author.  And she was married to David McCallum!!  That's drawing a straight in the poker game of casting.

She was around 60 at the time the episode was filmed, and we should all look so good at 40!

[Ms Blue Jay]

On 8/31/2019 at 1:10 AM, voiceover said:

She was around 60 at the time the episode was filmed

Damn, did she look great.

Season 2 absolutely knocked me out when I first saw it.  It was so sexy, cool, and stylish.  And Valerie was definitely part of that.  That was such a great guest turn.

[BlueMoon81]

On 8/31/2019 at 1:10 AM, voiceover said:

RIP Valerie Harper, who had one of the more memorable guest star turns in the series' second year.

She was Wallis, the charismatic mother of Justin Theroux's short story author.  And she was married to David McCallum!!  That's drawing a straight in the poker game of casting.

She was around 60 at the time the episode was filmed, and we should all look so good at 40!

She was absolutely fantastic as Vaughn’s mother! “When Fannie told me she was a lesbian, I said that’s great.....just as long as you’re not a Republican.” 😂😂

I always wanted a mom like her—completely non-judgmental, eternally supportive, and open for any convo with their kids

[RealHousewife]

24 minutes ago, BlueMoon81 said:

She was absolutely fantastic as Vaughn’s mother! “When Fannie told me she was a lesbian, I said that’s great.....just as long as you’re not a Republican.” 😂😂

I always wanted a mom like her—completely non-judgmental, eternally supportive, and open for any convo with their kids

I LOVED that line. 😂

Me too.

RIP Valerie Harper. You were such a special lady. 

[voiceover]

7 hours ago, BlueMoon81 said:

She was absolutely fantastic as Vaughn’s mother! “When Fannie told me she was a lesbian, I said that’s great.....just as long as you’re not a Republican.” 😂😂

I always wanted a mom like her—completely non-judgmental, eternally supportive, and open for any convo with their kids

Eh, I'll give you "supportive" and "open", but so fearing a child might have differing political views?  Pretty judgmental.

I loved her in the role, but the character was a bit of a cartoon; pretty much how Alvy described Allison, his first wife-to-be, in Annie Hall ("You're like, New York Jewish, liberal left-wing intellectual...Central Park West, Brandeis University, the socialist summer camps...")

[libgirl2]

My cousin who is into Native religions said it best, imho, "Thank you Valerie Harper. Have a peaceful journey home" 

[BlueMoon81]

Along with being such a great character in that episode, Wallis also had an instant chemistry with Carrie. I would’ve loved to have seen her return in a future episode or two as the person Carrie went to for advice and comfort. I think she would’ve made a fantastic surrogate mother for Carrie, especially since we never got to see Carrie ever interact with her own parents 

Edited September 10, 2019 by BlueMoon81

[ZuluQueenOfDwarves]

I think the PTB decided after bringing Charlotte’s brother on in Season 3 that they wouldn’t have any more family members on the show, because their existence detracted from the idea that the girls were each others’ family. I know they had Miranda’s sister on when their mother died, but she wasn’t involved in the story in any real way. All of the support and conflict came from the girls. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

I always found that weird.  I think parental issues are a very interesting aspect to explore to find out why the 4 women became the people they did.

For example, the show "Friends" is clearly about 6 people who are each other's "family" but their parents were heavily involved in the show.

And SATC showcased parents-in-law SO often (Bunny, Steve's mother, Big's mother) so to not showcase the four women's parents or even mentions of that was weird to me.  It wouldn't have been my choice to write the show that way, but it's still one of my top favourite shows ever.

Edited September 13, 2019 by Ms Blue Jay

[RealHousewife]

9 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I always found that weird.  I think parental issues are a very interesting aspect to explore to find out why the 4 women became the people they did.

For example, the show "Friends" is clearly about 6 people who are each other's "family" but their parents were heavily involved in the show.

And SATC showcased parents-in-law SO often (Bunny, Steve's mother, Big's mother) so to not showcase the four women's parents or even mentions of that was weird to me.  It wouldn't have been my choice to write the show that way, but it's still one of my top favourite shows ever.

I always thought this was strange too. If they want the women to be one another’s family, cool. And true not everyone has that perfect, loving mommy and daddy, brother and sister (just like not everyone has a group of such close girlfriends). But such minimal family for all four characters? Bizarre. I love the show, but it’s one of my top criticisms of it. 

[blondiec0332]

6 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I always thought this was strange too. If they want the women to be one another’s family, cool. And true not everyone has that perfect, loving mommy and daddy, brother and sister (just like not everyone has a group of such close girlfriends). But such minimal family for all four characters? Bizarre. I love the show, but it’s one of my top criticisms of it. 

Sometimes I think the writers thought the plots were why people watched.  I'm not sure they ever realized it was the characters viewers tuned into for. I for one would have enjoyed knowing more about their families and their lives before they met each other.

[Ms Blue Jay]

25 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

Sometimes I think the writers thought the plots were why people watched.  I'm not sure they ever realized it was the characters viewers tuned into for. I for one would have enjoyed knowing more about their families and their lives before they met each other.

That's a very good way of putting it.  Interesting

[Hiyo]

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Sometimes I think the writers thought the plots were why people watched.  I'm not sure they ever realized it was the characters viewers tuned into for.

And the nightlife scenes, the NYC porn, the clothes...

Other than Miranda's sister and Charlotte's brother, we never really had any other major scenes with other family members...

[Ms Blue Jay]

I think Carrie briefly talks about her father leaving her family in the Vogue episodes with Ron Rifkin right?  It would have been such interesting insight into Carrie's obsession with Big, to know more about her "Daddy issues".  And you'd think she'd be close to her mother or her siblings, if she had any.  I find that kind of thing very interesting.

[Hiyo]

She even had a picture of herself with him when she was a kid, no? Or at least a very old picture of just him...

[ByTor]

According to The Carrie Diaries she grew up with her father & had a sister Dorritt, so the shows were opposite regarding the parent situation.

[Chas411]

That for me was why The Carrie Diaries failed off the bat. I hate when a show tries to launch off the success and history of an older show yet can’t stick to the basic premise or history established in the original.

[ByTor]

3 hours ago, Chas411 said:

That for me was why The Carrie Diaries failed off the bat. I hate when a show tries to launch off the success and history of an older show yet can’t stick to the basic premise or history established in the original.

Yeah, how hard would it have been to make it the 2 sisters with their mother instead of their father?  I don't recall, though, if SatC mentioned Carrie had a sister.

[Chas411]

They didn’t - I always got the impression it was just her and her mother.  

[blondiec0332]

On 9/16/2019 at 11:55 AM, Chas411 said:

That for me was why The Carrie Diaries failed off the bat. I hate when a show tries to launch off the success and history of an older show yet can’t stick to the basic premise or history established in the original.

To be fair Carrie Diaries the book was written by Candace Bushnell who of course wrote the original SATC column and book.

[RealHousewife]

On 9/13/2019 at 11:04 PM, Hiyo said:

And the nightlife scenes, the NYC porn, the clothes...

Other than Miranda's sister and Charlotte's brother, we never really had any other major scenes with other family members...

Yes, I lived vicariously through these ladies. I no longer want to live in New York but still find it glamorous and exciting. When I was younger I thought these ladies’ lived seemed so much fun. Living in the city that never sleeps, attending different hot spots, dating a ton, wearing fabulous clothes and shoes, it was sort of like watching Real Housewives.

[BlueMoon81]

Two of my favorite familial moments involved Miranda—during the series finale, when Magda walked by and saw her bathing Steve’s mom...and later told her, “What you did...that is love.”. Then Magda looked at Miranda with pride and said “You love.” and kissed her on the forehead. Magda was the mother Miranda never asked for but that she instinctively needed

The other moment was from the second film....when Miranda showed up to see Brady win first place at the science fair, and he yells out “Look Mom, I won!” and Miranda tearfully tells Steve “I made it....I never make it.” Cynthia Nixon’s delivery of that line tugs at my heartstrings every time 

[qtpye]

On 4/23/2019 at 11:38 PM, andromeda331 said:

I hated Samantha and Smith's break up too. They were really great together. Samantha grew so much. He was there for her when she had cancer. He shaved his head for her. I don't understand either why she was upset that he bought her the ring she wanted. She never would have been before. Or why it was such a problem that she worked in LA and traveled to New York given what her job was. Agents travel all the time on behalf of their clients, with clients or looking for new opportunities, etc. Samantha was excellent at her job in the series. That disappeared too. We saw her find Smith and turn him into a star. She had been right the whole time. It was fun to see her do her job and well. It was fun to watch her fall in love. I still love her helping to get the nun into the doctor too. That was the coolest Samantha moment ever.

Sometimes she really could. But yes it was hard to imagine the Carrie we got could be that deep. She never really came off as that intelligent which is fine. But also she never really ended up having any interests beyond shopping, clothes, and clubs. She never seemed to read beyond poems into anything else. History, mysteries, literature, anything.  I've wondered many times how she managed to get that deep when she never seemed to go beyond her bubble. Which is also odd for a writer. Most read all kinds of stuff and do tons of research even column writers. She didn't seem to have an interest in the world, politics, current events, or anything. Its not a bad thing but it doesn't seem like she'd have much to say to the guys she dated especially Big and Aleks and seems odd given her career choice. She never even thought about writing for anyone else until she was broke. You'd think she would have been trying to write for various magazines and other publications. Or come up with a book idea on her own.

On 4/24/2019 at 3:55 AM, andromeda331 said:

I wish they had too. That would have made Carrie more interesting. Or at least had her grow like the other three did. They wasted so many opportunities. 

Me too. Most writers have a lot of different interests. Reading different books, different genres, exploring people and places and try new things because their interested in a lot of different things and also to try keep their writing fresh. They love that stuff! That's half the fun of writing. Their constantly on the look for anything new, and interesting to add to their stories or articles or to try a new genre. Its unusual to have one that's not interested in anything else. Carrie really wasn't. Except for the first few episodes we didn't see Carrie really research anything or interview other people. As much as she loves fashion she never once thought about writing for Vogue? Submitting articles to Cosmo? 

On 4/24/2019 at 1:14 AM, LemonSoda said:

The selfishness and constant inconsiderate antics on rewatch are so ugh. When Miranda needed help, Carrie could've called one of the other girls or at least told Miranda I have something to do so I'm sending my boyfriend. So many wasted opportunities for character growth. So many wasted opportunities for good storytelling. 

I wish they had kept more of CB in the character of Carrie. CB had a very diverse friend and social group, was scrappy and cared about writing where as Carrie always made it seem like an afterthought. Some elements of the real Big were shown like his interest in cooking but aside from that they messed up his character too.  

With the Nun was definitely the coolest Samantha moment ever! 

Exactly. I don't want to be broken record annoying but that's something that baffles me. For being a writer, Carrie showed no interests or hobbies that involved anything other than shopping. She didn't seem well read or that she'd have anything interesting to say, contribute to the conversations with the company the type of men she dated tend to keep around. Carrie only seemed to show depth when it was convenient. The real CB wrote for anyone and everyone she could.  

On 6/5/2019 at 3:36 PM, andromeda331 said:

It really was. Samantha really should have been the one writing the sex column she would have been a better fit. There was a lot that Carrie didn't know that was common enough that a sex columnist should have know. And she was pretty judgmental. She didn't really explore it at all.  A dating column might have been better. I'm not entirely sure all she did was basically write about her friends and herself and she was really bad at dating. Stalking and flipping out. Maybe just a basic column where she could write anything she wanted. Women probably would have still enjoyed reading about Carrie and her friends various dating, trips, and etc. 

I still cringe when the artist reads the last line from her column “no one has enjoyed the 69 position since 1969” like it was some incredibly witty entendre. It sounded like a not so sophisticated middle schooler wrote that line.

On 6/5/2019 at 4:40 PM, RealHousewife said:

Carrie’s life was pretty fun-filled. I know a lot of her life was unrealistic, but I like that they showed single women in their 30’s could have a lot of fun with their friends and dating. Some think if you’re not married with kids that you must go home and be alone after work every night. I don’t enjoy dating myself, but the show does inspire me to get out of my comfort zone more. One of the upsides to being single is getting more time for your hobbies, adventures, shamelessly flirting, etc. 

On 6/29/2019 at 10:56 AM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Yeah, but, this was 20 years ago, and Miranda and Charlotte NEVER presented themselves as being "so sexually experienced".  (Maaaaaaaybe Miranda?  She just always seemed so non-judgemental towards Samantha, so that's what I think I'm thinking of.) Carrie was the sex columnist, so I absolutely take your point.  But Miranda and Charlotte were just being themselves.  I don't think it's weird.  If a guy wanted to pee on me I'd say no thanks too, which is exactly what Carrie did, after some hesitation on how to let him down.  I also don't see what's wrong with looking to your girlfriends for validation for their own feelings.  That's bonding with women and realizing your own feelings can be normal, etc.

When this show first came on the women felt like real outliers. Women this aged were often portrayed as married and settled down with children. It was even implied that most of main characters would be married if they did not live in NYC and had stiff competition from beautiful actresses and models.

Now a days it feels like women not being married in their thirties is really not a big deal. I once asked a younger woman why she watched Desperate Housewives. She said because the idea of being married to a man prosperous enough to afford one the luxury of being a housewife seemed alien to her.

[piccadilly83]

I guess I'll just say that unlike many of you, I liked Carrie. I didn't always agree with what she did, but I thought she cared for her friends and wanted to be a good person. Again, I'm not saying she was always successful with that, but she rarely did things out of malice.

[Chas411]

I liked Carrie too. But a lot of the time she was a terrible friend and it never got called out. That’s why I loved the bullshit bagel scene with Miranda.

[Hiyo]

I found Carrie much more likeable in the first 3 seasons. Well, at least until she started boinking a married John...er, Mr. Big.

[txhorns79]

I was watching old episodes on Amazon.  I don't understand how it did not become a big deal when Samantha essentially gives Richard a public blow job in his office.  The guy's office had glass walls.  They show many people walking around outside the office who would have had a direct view of the office interior and could see exactly what Samantha was doing.  It was almost shocking at how indiscreet they were being.   

[Hiyo]

The people in the office probably thought it was just a regular Tuesday.

[Harvey]

1 hour ago, txhorns79 said:

I was watching old episodes on Amazon.  I don't understand how it did not become a big deal when Samantha essentially gives Richard a public blow job in his office.  The guy's office had glass walls.  They show many people walking around outside the office who would have had a direct view of the office interior and could see exactly what Samantha was doing.  It was almost shocking at how indiscreet they were being.   

Richard was the owner of the company, the boss. What were the employees going to do? Revolt?

[txhorns79]

2 hours ago, Harvey said:

Richard was the owner of the company, the boss. What were the employees going to do? Revolt?

I have no idea what they would do.  I guess it's just a note in the evolution of Samantha.  In the Frenemies episode she's shocked and embarrassed when her new friend starts blowing a guy under the table at a bar.  A season or two later, Samantha is giving a much more public performance.

[BlueMoon81]

On 9/24/2019 at 2:43 AM, Chas411 said:

I liked Carrie too. But a lot of the time she was a terrible friend and it never got called out. That’s why I loved the bullshit bagel scene with Miranda.

I loved the Bullshit Bagels scene too. 

As you stated, Carrie was a terrible friend most of the time and was NEVER called out for it. I thought Miranda should’ve either cursed Carrie out or decked her in the jaw for Carrie’s childish, snide comments about Miranda going to therapy in Season 2....”I get why you go to therapy because...you’re, you know, always in your head. But I’m fine, I’m functioning.” That was nauseating to watch, and very condescending

It seems when SJP got Exec Producer (starting in Season 2), the snarky insults and digs towards her friends began. Her “Desperate women will believe anything” remark to Sam (after Sam informed them she was going to give it another shot with Richard)...should’ve ended with Sam making a dig to Carrie about her ridiculously drama-laden triangle with Aidan and Big 

[Harvey]

2 hours ago, BlueMoon81 said:

As you stated, Carrie was a terrible friend most of the time and was NEVER called out for it. I thought Miranda should’ve either cursed Carrie out or decked her in the jaw for Carrie’s childish, snide comments about Miranda going to therapy in Season 2....”I get why you go to therapy because...you’re, you know, always in your head. But I’m fine, I’m functioning.” That was nauseating to watch, and very condescending

You have to remember, mental health and shrinks were a lot more stigmatized back then than they are today. Carrie didn't mean anything bad by her comment, if you watched the show it was obvious Miranda had a lot of unresolved anger issues towards the opposite sex.

Just one example is her inability to say "I love you" to anyone until the final season.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Harvey

[Hiyo]

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”I get why you go to therapy because...you’re, you know, always in your head. But I’m fine, I’m functioning.”

The irony of Carrie saying that to...anyone.

[ZuluQueenOfDwarves]

4 hours ago, Harvey said:

You have to remember, mental health and shrinks were a lot more stigmatized back then than they are today. Carrie didn't mean anything bad by her comment, if you watched the show it was obvious Miranda had a lot of unresolved anger issues towards the opposite sex.

Just one example is her inability to say "I love you" to anyone until the final season.

Stigmatized in the greater world, sure. But therapy was de rigeur for the Manhattan elite, as Stanford pointed out a scene later. As cringeworthy as the idea of mental health being “trendy” is, it kind of was (and still is, in a different way) among the intelligentsia. So, like bisexuality, polyamory, and a host of other subjects, it’s something Carrie should’ve had a more enlightened view on. 

Also, as others have said, it’s RICH for Carrie to think she’s too stable for therapy. Her entire career is built on the idea that her relationships are so unstable that they’re an endless gold mine of story ideas. 

[blondiec0332]

9 hours ago, BlueMoon81 said:

I thought Miranda should’ve either cursed Carrie out or decked her in the jaw for Carrie’s childish, snide comments about Miranda going to therapy in Season 2....”I get why you go to therapy because...you’re, you know, always in your head. But I’m fine, I’m functioning.” That was nauseating to watch, and very condescending

6 hours ago, Harvey said:

You have to remember, mental health and shrinks were a lot more stigmatized back then than they are today. Carrie didn't mean anything bad by her comment, if you watched the show it was obvious Miranda had a lot of unresolved anger issues towards the opposite sex.

It was a very judgmental thing to say and not the first time Carrie was judgmental.  She judged Samantha for giving a blow job to the delivery driver.   Miranda recognized her flaws and wanted to work on them.  Carrie when she went to therapy didn't treat it as a way to help herself.

[RealHousewife]

20 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I was watching old episodes on Amazon.  I don't understand how it did not become a big deal when Samantha essentially gives Richard a public blow job in his office.  The guy's office had glass walls.  They show many people walking around outside the office who would have had a direct view of the office interior and could see exactly what Samantha was doing.  It was almost shocking at how indiscreet they were being.   

I’m curious what the big Samantha fans think of her behavior in that episode. Samantha was a sexy, single woman, and I like that she enjoyed it. But I would be horrified if I saw a blow job happening at work or walked in on my friend giving one somewhere else. I don’t remember what Carrie said when she walked in on the blow job. I wouldn’t ever shame my friend for being sexual and having fun, but I sure as heck would freak out and immediately leave if I walked in anything. There are some things I don’t need to see. 

[txhorns79]

2 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I’m curious what the big Samantha fans think of her behavior in that episode. Samantha was a sexy, single woman, and I like that she enjoyed it. But I would be horrified if I saw a blow job happening at work or walked in on my friend giving one somewhere else. I don’t remember what Carrie said when she walked in on the blow job. I wouldn’t ever shame my friend for being sexual and having fun, but I sure as heck would freak out and immediately leave if I walked in anything. There are some things I don’t need to see. 

I tend to think at some point Samantha became a sex cartoon.  In the episode where she was blowing the guy in her office, Carrie walks in, sees what is happening and then quickly stumbles out.  Later on, Carrie is judgey about the situation, but I did kind of think that Samantha might benefit from being more discreet and having some self-control. 

[RealHousewife]

6 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I tend to think at some point Samantha became a sex cartoon.  In the episode where she was blowing the guy in her office, Carrie walks in, sees what is happening and then quickly stumbles out.  Later on, Carrie is judgey about the situation, but I did kind of think that Samantha might benefit from being more discreet and having some self-control. 

Yeah, she was too much. We’ve talked a lot about Carrie’s flaws, but I don’t like how Samantha behaved like an immature sex-crazed teenager. You can be extremely sexual and still know what’s appropriate behavior and what’s not. A professional woman her age should know better than to start getting it on whenever she feels like it with little regard for who may be around or walk in. 

[Hiyo]

At the very least, you'd think Samantha of all people would know to lock the door.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Hiyo

[Harvey]

Loving all the intelligent discussion in here! Can we talk about something?

Something that stands out to me to this day is Carrie's: You and I, NOTHING! Scene in the 21st episode of the final season. Big comes to her, trying to rekindle their relationship, but Carrie acts strange through the whole thing. Do you think her reaction to Big there was reasonable? By that pont in their story, they were only casual friends for like, 3 years or more. Big came in town and wanted to talk to her and she wouldn't respond, then when he went to her house, she cussed him out and told him to never call again. Which seemed unreasonable to me, because by this point they were not lovers, and Big really did not do anything (recently) to deserve that treatment. Or did she see Big's intentions even before he said a word and she was angry that he would come to get her at such an unfortunate time? (when she was about to move away). What does everyone think about it? That interaction is fascinating to me.

[Hiyo]

Well, there was the time post-break up where he seemed to get jealous and show some interest in her when she was dating crazy jazz guy...and there was that one episode when he was sick and seemed to finally really be opening up to her, then closed down again once he was better.

Carrie did get on my nerves in the later seasons, but she wasn't that wrong in her reaction. John...um, I mean, Big only seemed to want her when he couldn't have her.

[Chas411]

Agreed on that - Big a lot of the time kept Carrie at arms length. The Natasha thing is an example of why she should never have taken him back let alone derail her relationship for him. He treated both women horribly.

[Harvey]

35 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

Well, there was the time post-break up where he seemed to get jealous and show some interest in her when she was dating crazy jazz guy...and there was that one episode when he was sick and seemed to finally really be opening up to her, then closed down again once he was better.

Carrie did get on my nerves in the later seasons, but she wasn't that wrong in her reaction. John...um, I mean, Big only seemed to want her when he couldn't have her.

Well I don't know. After the heart attack all Big did was ask "what are we doing?" twice. And then fell asleep. Like he didn't promise her some huge rekindling of romance,  more just hinted at the possibility of it. 🧑

[pinkandsparkly13]

7 hours ago, Harvey said:

Loving all the intelligent discussion in here! Can we talk about something?

Something that stands out to me to this day is Carrie's: You and I, NOTHING! Scene in the 21st episode of the final season. Big comes to her, trying to rekindle their relationship, but Carrie acts strange through the whole thing. Do you think her reaction to Big there was reasonable? By that pont in their story, they were only casual friends for like, 3 years or more. Big came in town and wanted to talk to her and she wouldn't respond, then when he went to her house, she cussed him out and told him to never call again. Which seemed unreasonable to me, because by this point they were not lovers, and Big really did not do anything (recently) to deserve that treatment. Or did she see Big's intentions even before he said a word and she was angry that he would come to get her at such an unfortunate time? (when she was about to move away). What does everyone think about it? That interaction is fascinating to me.

I love that interaction and her yelling at him. I think it was clear to her that he was going to try to get back with her. He had been calling her for awhile before he showed up, much like he did when she was happy with Aiden. He kept calling and coming by her house. He got drunk and told her he was gonna leave Natasha and asked if she knew anyone who was interested. 

That's why she asked him if he had some kind of radar about Carrie being happy, and that's when it was time for him to swoop in. Although this time he didn't know she was with Aleks. I think she was tired of him popping in at inconvenient times for her to act like he wanted something with her. I would be frustrated too. 

[Hiyo]

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Well I don't know. After the heart attack all Big did was ask "what are we doing?" twice. And then fell asleep. Like he didn't promise her some huge rekindling of romance,  more just hinted at the possibility of it.

That might have been the show telling us more than showing us, but there was supposed to be a big (no pun intended) contrast between throughout the episode and the way the episode ended.

[andromeda331]

10 hours ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

I love that interaction and her yelling at him. I think it was clear to her that he was going to try to get back with her. He had been calling her for awhile before he showed up, much like he did when she was happy with Aiden. He kept calling and coming by her house. He got drunk and told her he was gonna leave Natasha and asked if she knew anyone who was interested. 

That's why she asked him if he had some kind of radar about Carrie being happy, and that's when it was time for him to swoop in. Although this time he didn't know she was with Aleks. I think she was tired of him popping in at inconvenient times for her to act like he wanted something with her. I would be frustrated too. 

That's the only thing I liked about Carrie dating Aleks was for once she didn't drop everything including a relationship to chase him. Like she's done every time before only for him to decide to end things. And that she called him on it. 

[blondiec0332]

46 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

That's the only thing I liked about Carrie dating Aleks was for once she didn't drop everything including a relationship to chase him. Like she's done every time before only for him to decide to end things. And that she called him on it.

She doesn't get props from me for that. It was just days later in Paris when she realized things weren't working with Alek that she literally let Big rescue her.  If she had really come to the conclusion she didn't need nor want Big's flip flopping in her life she wouldn't have fallen back into his arms so quickly.

[Harvey]

13 hours ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

I love that interaction and her yelling at him. I think it was clear to her that he was going to try to get back with her. He had been calling her for awhile before he showed up, much like he did when she was happy with Aiden. He kept calling and coming by her house. He got drunk and told her he was gonna leave Natasha and asked if she knew anyone who was interested. 

That's why she asked him if he had some kind of radar about Carrie being happy, and that's when it was time for him to swoop in. Although this time he didn't know she was with Aleks. I think she was tired of him popping in at inconvenient times for her to act like he wanted something with her. I would be frustrated too. 

I see. So Carrie viewed big as a threat to her relationship and that is why she felt she had to chase him off once and for good so he doesn't mess up her happiness again. After years of wondering, this finally came together for me.

Thanks! 🥰

[Hiyo]

I'd say more of an annoyance than a threat?