The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy

[Sew Sumi]

I know! She pimped out the place she got the pantsuit on her IG, so I figured that was the deal. If Famy told US that she wore the pantsuit, when she clearly wore that tacky dress in the shower picture, well, she's lying. :)

 

Kokapetl, Dill is very familiar with Famy's ass in pictures. I'm pretty sure he got the milk for free before closing up shop during their engagement to make them look like born again virgins. I seriously doubt  that they've never had the evil secks. 

[Temperance]

I just want to say that the 500 engagement photos is a thing. A lot of twenty somethings are getting engagement photos taken all the time like that. Someone my family knows did it and my dad complained it was a waste of money, even if it wasn't his. So Amy is right on trend with all those engagement photos. (and the couple involved didn't have a lot of money at the time, and neither do their parents.)

[GeeGolly]

I just want to say that the 500 engagement photos is a thing. A lot of twenty somethings are getting engagement photos taken all the time like that. Someone my family knows did it and my dad complained it was a waste of money, even if it wasn't his. So Amy is right on trend with all those engagement photos. (and the couple involved didn't have a lot of money at the time, and neither do their parents.)

So true. 500 engagement photos, wedding photos, 500 formal 'we are pregnant' photos. 500 bump photos, etc. Well at least on my FB feed.

[becca3891]

I just want to say that the 500 engagement photos is a thing. A lot of twenty somethings are getting engagement photos taken all the time like that. Someone my family knows did it and my dad complained it was a waste of money, even if it wasn't his. So Amy is right on trend with all those engagement photos. (and the couple involved didn't have a lot of money at the time, and neither do their parents.)

And it bores me to tears! I am going to break the mold if I get married. ONE engagement picture taken casually, and just a few pictures at an informal wedding. I hate drawn-out photo sessions and frankly think it's narcissistic to go overboard to the extent that most people do. But yes, Amy is not out of the ordinary at all with that.

 

She probably rushed this engagement along with plans for a TLC filmed and paid for wedding and honeymoon. I am cackling with glee that it won't happen.

[Fuzzysox]

Famy and Dillion deserve their own thread.

[CofCinci]

Famy and Dillion deserve their own thread.

Do we have to get mod permission for that?

[Fuzzysox]

Do we have to get mod permission for that?

Probably. But it's time she has her own since now she will be a married woman and all.

[Bella]

We're reorganizing the entire forum on Friday afternoon, so we're not starting any new threads right now.

 

And if you haven't already done so, read the new pinned mod announcement at the top of the forum. If I could have made it green, more visually annoying, or anything else to distinguish it from all the other pinned stuff around here, I would have. Sadly, we can't insert a marching band into a thread title.

 

Just hang in there. We're cool with discussing Amy in this thread.

 

 

 

[Fuzzysox]

Awesome thanks! I did read the announcement. Will wait patiently for a new thread while I purpose to start my own wedding planning business.

[smlait]

I just want to say that the 500 engagement photos is a thing. A lot of twenty somethings are getting engagement photos taken all the time like that. Someone my family knows did it and my dad complained it was a waste of money, even if it wasn't his. So Amy is right on trend with all those engagement photos. (and the couple involved didn't have a lot of money at the time, and neither do their parents.)

Our wedding photographer included an engagement session at minimal cost (which included her making the guest book for us using the pictures).  It served as a "dry run" for the actual wedding photo session, and I think it was a really good idea.  There certainly weren't 500 pics, but there would have been more than 50 to choose between.

[Happyfatchick]

That is keeping in line with what the Duggar's have served guests at the last 2 weddings.    Well, I might be over doing it, half a mint.

from the tiny little mouse print (magnifier small): "Dillard's will supply a non-edible cake for pictures only. Guests are encouraged to bring their own mints."

[JoanArc]

Oh, Amy....You (literal) filthy woman.

http://www.people.com/article/amy-duggar-engagement-photos-wedding-details

 

 

"I don't consider myself a celebrity by any means. I still shop at Goodwill!" she says with a laugh. "But it's like, no offense, we don't really need the help. We're blessed.

Well, good, then you'll be used to it. Go on Wednesdays for half price used socks. She neglects to mention her expensive registry.

 

 

As for other rumors that she's heard floating around, "I am definitely not pregnant," Amy says. "I'm not that much of a rebel!"

"I'm just fat!"

 

"They're going to be ringing bells and saying, 'The bride is coming, the bride is coming!' "

In the limo on the way to the reception, I'd reckon.

 

She also got a free dress, for product placement. Grift is grift.

Edited August 11, 2015 by JoanArc

[BitterApple]

"No, we really don't need the help, we're blessed."

Never mind the public bridal shower at Dillard's, making several mentions about gifts on social media and your fiance throwing a toddler-sized tantrum because TLC wouldn't cover your nuptials. Sure Amy, you're not desperate at all.

Edited August 11, 2015 by BitterApple

[CofCinci]

Did Amy make the People print magazine or just the website?

If the family kept the scandal buried for another decade, we would have been "blessed" with Amy's porn-y engagement photos on the cover of People.

[Churchhoney]

Re: kokapetl -- Whether John David's income is sufficient to pay for enough flight training to get a good pilot job.

 

Well, that's what I wonder. What do you think he's earning? Has he actually got a paying job besides the towing company? The constable thing is unpaid, and so is his piloting, I assume. Or do you think that JB and company pay him to fly? That would be nice, but I really wonder! ....

 

And he's flying around so much with the Duggars, I wonder whether that wouldn't put a crimp in his towing income? I mean, if I knew that a local towing company operator was very often not there to answer my call, I think I'd be likely to call another towing company.

 

Am I missing some element of his income? (I probably am....but I can't think of anything paid except the towing and possibly the piloting).... Maybe he works for Jim Bob in some other capacity? I wonder how much JB pays those kids.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Churchhoney

[sometimesy]

Could John David become a bush pilot? Alaska maybe? He might really enjoy the solitude and freedom of that lifestyle. Even if JB didn't support him financially, he could work for someone else for a while until purchasing his own plane. Seems like a more eclectic group of people as well. I mean, if Jill can go 'overseas'.... 

[kokapetl]

Re: kokapetl -- Whether John David's income is sufficient to pay for enough flight training to get a good pilot job.

Well, that's what I wonder. What do you think he's earning? Has he actually got a paying job besides the towing company? The constable thing is unpaid, and so is his piloting, I assume. Or do you think that JB and company pay him to fly? That would be nice, but I really wonder! ....

And he's flying around so much with the Duggars, I wonder whether that wouldn't put a crimp in his towing income? I mean, if I knew that a local towing company operator was very often not there to answer my call, I think I'd be likely to call another towing company.

Am I missing some element of his income? (I probably am....but I can't think of anything paid except the towing and possibly the piloting).... Maybe he works for Jim Bob in some other capacity? I wonder how much JB pays those kids.

I think that although John David may not earn much from his towing business, his living expenses are very low. He probably pays for his own clothes, his fast food lunches and sundries, but nothing else really. Edited August 11, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Churchhoney]

Could John David become a bush pilot? Alaska maybe? He might really enjoy the solitude and freedom of that lifestyle. Even if JB didn't support him financially, he could work for someone else for a while until purchasing his own plane. Seems like a more eclectic group of people as well. I mean, if Jill can go 'overseas'.... 

 

Well, it just depends on whether he can pay for the training and beat out the many other people who most likely want those jobs. I'm pretty sure you have to get a commercial pilot's license, and then training on top of that. Because the commercial license pretty much assumes you're  going to be landing at airports. With runways. Whereas bush pilots have to land wherever. And thread through mountain ranges. And in Alaska, you probably have to have either seaplane training, which is extra, or skiplane training (also extra). So it's still gonna mean cash.

 

And I'm sure he'd have to pay for that on his own! Because Jim Bob ain't paying for no kid of his to move to Alaska! (or anywhere else that requires bush pilots.)

 

So once again we're back to -- How much money do we think JD has on his own? And I have no idea.

I think that although John David may not earn much from his towing business, his living expenses are very low. He probably pays for his own clothes, his fast food lunches and sundries, but nothing else really.

 

Yeah, I agree that he probably has few expenses. i do hope he's saving up for something like this. I guess we'll see.

[louannems]

In one of those Amy engagement photos, I really thought for just a moment that she was giving birth to a breech baby.

[kokapetl]

Well, it just depends on whether he can pay for the training and beat out the many other people who most likely want those jobs. I'm pretty sure you have to get a commercial pilot's license, and then training on top of that. Because the commercial license pretty much assumes you're going to be landing at airports. With runways. Whereas bush pilots have to land wherever. And thread through mountain ranges. And in Alaska, you probably have to have either seaplane training, which is extra, or skiplane training (also extra). So it's still gonna mean cash.

And I'm sure he'd have to pay for that on his own! Because Jim Bob ain't paying for no kid of his to move to Alaska! (or anywhere else that requires bush pilots.)

So once again we're back to -- How much money do we think JD has on his own? And I have no idea.

Yeah, I agree that he probably has few expenses. i do hope he's saving up for something like this. I guess we'll see.

He owns a commercial property valued at $300,000, daddy would've insisted he not take on any debt to buy it. I don't know who paid for the plane, but it would've been paid for in full, too.

[Churchhoney]

He owns a commercial property valued at $300,000, daddy would've insisted he not take on any debt to buy it. I don't know who paid for the plane, but it would've been paid for in full, too.

 

Well, I'm sure Jim Bob paid for the plane. But how the heck John David could actually have a bought a $300,000 commercial property -- or, in fact, how Jim Bob could have bought it for him, when he was already buying planes, etc. is way beyond me. But, yeah, he could sell that and pay for his pilot's training and his new house in Alaska. If he can manage it, I hope that he does it.

 

Because one thing that's definitely not on his side in the pilot game is age, especially since he's tending toward the chubby right now, I think, and he'll have to pass some significant physicals once he actually starts to compete for jobs and continue to pass those physicals after he's got the job.

 

If he starts today, going full=time after the commercial license, as I understand it, that alone will take him a year or two. Then he'll still need more flight hours and, if he would want the bush pilot option, he'd need some extra training in sea- or ski-plane (or both.) So that could be another half year. That would put him at around 27 and a half or 28, when he starts competing for jobs. And since he'll be mainly be competing with ex-military pilots, they'll have way more flight hours and way more complex flight experience (and in virtually all cases college degrees), so he will almost certainly need to keep racking up the flight hours -- and not in Duggar single-engine jennies but planes that he may have to pay to fly-- in order to compete successfully.

 

So he'd better cash in that property, or his savings account, or whatever today and get moving. And stop wasting his time on non-paying constable jobs and ferrying Duggars to recreational events or events for which they could easily take commercial flights. Because his single-engine daytime flights aren't going to help him much when it comes to getting commercial-flight credentials. And, as I understand it, if you only work part-time toward a commercial pilot's license it can take as long as five years.

 

I would love to see him do this. But then I would love to see Jana, Joy and Jinger run off to a city, get nanny jobs and do clothing alterations on the side while they save up to take college or vocational courses. Not holding my breath for any of it, though.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Liz Tudor]

A decent used Cessna 172 (seats 4) runs $20k and Avgas runs $4-5/gallon. But even if he doesn't own one, It costs $135-150 per hour to rent one (includes fuel). I'm guessing JD is just a recreational pilot, flying when he wants to or when he has to drop a sister off at a religious conference.

There's no special license to be a bush pilot, but no sane person would try to be one without specialized training (which is required for floatplanes).

Here's the one Duggar kid who got some REAL training (40 flight hours plus ground school, at a cost of about $7,000) and a bona-fide license from a federal agency. It would be nice to see him use it more often.

ETA: as Churchoney pointed out, it would be RIDICULOUSLY hard for someone in JD's situation, who would have to put themselves through commercial flight school, and then compete with all the very experiened former military pilots, to get a job with any airline, much less one of the majors. Just pointing out that a college degree is not required, and although you do have to pass a FAA physical, you don't have to be in great shape. There are plenty of commercial pilots who aren't.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Liz Tudor

[Churchhoney]

Just occurred to me what really troubles me about the suggestion that John David likely has the money to pay for his own commercial-pilot training.

 

I can't stand to contemplate the idea that a 25-year-old man with sickening control-freaky infantilizing parents would stay hanging around with them instead of using his resources to complete his career training and get on with a life of his own. If you actually do have the resources but haven't made the move by the time youi're 25, when are you going to make it?

[kokapetl]

Just occurred to me what really troubles me about the suggestion that John David likely has the money to pay for his own commercial-pilot training.

I can't stand to contemplate the idea that a 25-year-old man with sickening control-freaky infantilizing parents would stay hanging around with them instead of using his resources to complete his career training and get on with a life of his own. If you actually do have the resources but haven't made the move by the time youi're 25, when are you going to make it?

It's a shame that John David does have the means to become a commercial pilot, but daddy's manipulative nature will likely discourage him from following through. 25 isn't that old, private training is very widespread in countries without ridiculously large defense budgets, but it exists in America too. Regional airlines don't pay very well though. The copilot of the Colgan Air Flight 3407 crash in 2009 earnt a whopping $16,000 a year.

[Cherrio]

He owns a commercial property valued at $300,000, daddy would've insisted he not take on any debt to buy it. I don't know who paid for the plane, but it would've been paid for in full, too.

Where would John David get 300k ? 

[Churchhoney]

It's a shame that John David does have the means to become a commercial pilot, but daddy's manipulative nature will likely discourage him from following through. 25 isn't that old, private training is very widespread in countries without ridiculously large defense budgets, but it exists in America too. Regional airlines don't pay very well though. The copilot of the Colgan Air Flight 3407 crash in 2009 earnt a whopping $16,000 a year.

 

Well, I'm still intrigued by why you think that John David has tens of thousands in disposable income to pay for the training. And I'm not actually convinced that he does! -- I find it hard to believe that Jim Bob would put any real estate, commercial or otherwise, into a legal state that would allow a kid to sell it for his or her own purposes, for example.... But if he does, then the whole thing becomes even more depressing. To have that many kids who are already young adults and yet have none with the guts to try to make it on their own, even one that actually has the means, is horrifying. I guess that marriage is the only potential way out. It's worked, at least temporarily, for Jill. If JD got a wife, maybe she'd kick him into gear. Of course, if she were an ATI wife, she wouldn't be allowed to.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Churchhoney

[CofCinci]

Why would JD want to even be a commercial pilot -- who has to keep to schedule and punch a clock?  The dude leads a life of leisure.  His sisters still wash his underwear and cook his meals.  Want to be a police officer today, buddy?  Yeah, Constable time!  Want to fly the plane for a few hours? Yeah!  Go ask daddy for the credit card so you can fill the plane up with gas.  Just make sure you record that you were actually looking at aerial views of investment property so that daddy can write the flight off as a business expense.

[Churchhoney]

Why would JD want to even be a commercial pilot -- who has to keep to schedule and punch a clock?  The dude leads a life of leisure.  His sisters still wash his underwear and cook his meals.  Want to be a police officer today, buddy?  Yeah, Constable time!  Want to fly the plane for a few hours? Yeah!  Go ask daddy for the credit card so you can fill the plane up with gas.  Just make sure you record that you were actually looking at aerial views of investment property so that daddy can write the flight off as a business expense.

 

That seems right to me. I'm still not convinced that he has the money to get the training, even if he wanted to. And I'm sure that JB wouldn't pay for it. But I agree that he probably has little motivation to do it anyway. If he actually cared about having his own life or standing on his own, we'd probably have seen some signs of it now. As it is, he's probably just another lazy Duggar dumb-ass, who's content to enjoy the perks of Duggardom, even if it means having their parents micromanage as much of their lives as they can get their hands on, for the rest of their lives. It's his hobbies of flying and policing and towing that have given us a little hope that maybe he wanted something else for himself, but he probably doesn't.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Churchhoney

[kokapetl]

Well, I'm still intrigued by why you think that John David has tens of thousands in disposable income to pay for the training. And I'm not actually convinced that he does! -- I find it hard to believe that Jim Bob would put any real estate, commercial or otherwise, into a legal state that would allow a kid to sell it for his or her own purposes, for example.... But if he does, then the whole thing becomes even more depressing. To have that many kids who are already young adults and yet have none with the guts to try to make it on their own, even one that actually has the means, is horrifying. I guess that marriage is the only potential way out. It's worked, at least temporarily, for Jill. If JD got a wife, maybe she'd kick him into gear. Of course, if she were an ATI wife, she wouldn't be allowed to.

Perhaps not in income, but he is the legal and I assume actual owner of a commercial property (storage units) that is valued at $300,000, I can't see JimBob arranging his assets to be under anyone's control but his own, Duggar Properties LLC exists for that. John David is self employed and has very low living expenses.

[bigskygirl]

Reminder once again. Do not discuss the reasoning why the molestation happened, JB and Michelle offered certain sons things to keep him from raiding the hen house, or one of the sons benefiting from his brother's actions. I am sure there are other forums in the internet world where you can discuss this until the cows come home. Off topic molestation posts will be hidden or posters will be ask to edit their post. Thank you.

[kokapetl]

I think it may just be a coincidence. JimChelle still treated Josh like their crown prince, John David just had realistic and practical vocational interests (auto mechanics, aviation etc). His future goal in "Raising 16 Kids" was "contractor", and his interests included "building things". Josh's goal was "attorney" and his interests included "politics". Jinger's interest was "explaining to people how to spell her name".

Edited August 12, 2015 by Kokapetl

[charmed1]

Could John David become a bush pilot?

I swear I thought this was some dirty slang I wasn't hip to. Ha!

[Fuzzysox]

I think it may just be a coincidence. JimChelle still treated Josh like their crown prince, John David just had realistic and practical vocational interests (auto mechanics, aviation etc). His future goal in "Raising 16 Kids" was "contractor", and his interests included "building things". Josh's goal was "attorney" and his interests included "politics". Jinger's interest was "explaining to people how to spell her name".

Hilarious!

[Sew Sumi]

He owns a commercial property valued at $300,000, daddy would've insisted he not take on any debt to buy it. I don't know who paid for the plane, but it would've been paid for in full, too.

The plane is listed as an asset for Duggar Aviation, LLC, registered to Boob and Mechelle. 

 

I didn't realize JD owned a commercial property? I just know about the house, which he apparently rents out. 

[kokapetl]

The plane is listed as an asset for Duggar Aviation, LLC, registered to Boob and Mechelle.

I didn't realize JD owned a commercial property? I just know about the house, which he apparently rents out.

I couldn't find a house in his name. Also, he paid about $120,000 for the commercial property valued at $300,000

[Sew Sumi]

They featured the house on the show. It's on the same street as Jill's McMansion. Maybe it's not in Washington County? Because they wouldn't LIE to us about that now, would they??? :D

[kokapetl]

They featured the house on the show. It's on the same street as Jill's McMansion. Maybe it's not in Washington County? Because they wouldn't LIE to us about that now, would they??? :D

Do you remember which episode? I have a dirty little secret: I own allthe episodes on iTunes. I couldn't find anything in Washington county for John David, and just the one commercial property in Benton county.

[Sew Sumi]

I don't remember the episode, but I do remember that they showed him with the backhoe on the property. Maybe the episode when they tried to prove that Mechelle spent time with him? I think that was his property, but not 100% positive. At any rate, you can check to find out. 

 

eta: I've seen a copy of JD's title, so I know that he does own this place. I wonder if he flipped it? That might explain why you can't find anything in the records now? 

Edited August 12, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[kokapetl]

I don't remember the episode, but I do remember that they showed him with the backhoe on the property. Maybe the episode when they tried to prove that Mechelle spent time with him? I think that was his property, but not 100% positive. At any rate, you can check to find out.

eta: I've seen a copy of JD's title, so I know that he does own this place. I wonder if he flipped it? That might explain why you can't find anything in the records now?

I didn't pay attention when I did my searches. His commercial property DOES have a 2300 square foot house in addition to the storage units. Whitepages.com has a listing for a John Duggar a few houses down the street, so he probably lives in that house. Good for him.

[Fuzzysox]

Is that the property the bank gave him for cleaning up the property? I'm hard pressed to believe that any bank would give a way a property. If the story is true than good for him for having a house.

[Sew Sumi]

Oh goody! King Dill Pickle has a record of DUIs. 

 

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/amy-duggar-fiance-dui-reality-star-boyfriend-dillon-king-arrested-dwi-twice-two-years/

 

eta: BB&B registry. I haven't looked at it yet, just found it. 

 

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/giftregistry/view_registry_guest.jsp?pwsToken=&eventType=Wedding&registryId=542569522&pwsurl=

Edited August 13, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[kokapetl]

Is that the property the bank gave him for cleaning up the property? I'm hard pressed to believe that any bank would give a way a property. If the story is true than good for him for having a house.

I don't know how he paid them, so it's possible he paid the bank with $120,000 in remediation services or something. I can't see that particular property requiring $120,000 of remedial work though. Edited August 13, 2015 by Kokapetl

[kokapetl]

Oh goody! King Dill Pickle has a record of DUIs.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/amy-duggar-fiance-dui-reality-star-boyfriend-dillon-king-arrested-dwi-twice-two-years/

eta: BB&B registry. I haven't looked at it yet, just found it.

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/giftregistry/view_registry_guest.jsp?pwsToken=&eventType=Wedding&registryId=542569522&pwsurl=

If they don't call it off before the ceremony, it'll be irreconcilable differences within two years. The second registry has even more pillows/bedding/comforters etc. It's like she plans to be washing all her bedding several times a week to hide evidence.

[Sew Sumi]

So.many.towels. 

 

Who wants to spring for the $150 toothbrush? 

[kokapetl]

So.many.towels.

Who wants to spring for the $150 toothbrush?

17 scented candles!!! She's going to die in a fire when the huge piles of throw pillows topple onto one of the candles. Edited August 13, 2015 by Kokapetl

[CofCinci]

Well the DUIs explain all the freaking towels on the registry.  He's an alcoholic and she needs to wipe up his vomit every morning.

 

2 DUIs in 2 years?  He should be ashamed of himself.

Edited August 13, 2015 by CofCinci

[Sew Sumi]

Those are just the times he got caught. You have to wonder, especially given how they have asked for so many highball glasses, how much the boy drinks and how often he's been driving under the influence and DIDN'T get caught.

[momofsquid]

Holy smokes, is there anything in the BB&B inventory that is not on that registry? Greedy much? I admit I did the registry thing for my wedding 26 years ago, but it was for one set of china. 

[JoanArc]

Well, now we know who wanted that crystal decanter.

Honesty that many DUIs over a short period screams drinking problem to me. I feel bad for Amy if she didn't know. Best to extend the engagement out a while longer. This revelation puts me in the 'pregnant' camp.

[Churchhoney]

Well, now we know who wanted that crystal decanter.

 

 

And all the wastebaskets.

 

Always have one handy.