S02.E12: When a Stranger Calls

[Cranberry]

Emma and Audrey must make a daring move. Finally facing off with the Killer, they unmask Piper’s final surprise.

 

[Chaos Theory]

Not the most original of endings.    I think most of us called Kieren as the killer like four episodes ago.  However i really did enjoy the finale.  It had all the things I expect from this show and in a good way not a bad one.  I enjoyed the Emma and Audrey and the run stuff and wouldn't have minded if it had gone on a little longer.  I liked that Brooke didn't believe for a second that Emma and Audrey killed her father.  Oh and am I the only one who is now shipping Brooke and Noah?    I even liked how Piper and Kieren fit together.  It all worked for me.  

On a side note I don't think Kieren has ever been so interesting....or sexy.   Yes, I know something is wrong with me.  Maybe I need therapy....or to start killing people because apparently that is a whole lot more fun.  

Edited August 17, 2016 by Chaos Theory
Emma not Amy,.... I knew that.

[Free]

9 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Not the most original of endings.    I think most of us called Kieren as the killer like four episodes ago.  However i really did enjoy the finale.  It had all the things I expect from this show and in a good way not a bad one.  I enjoyed the Amy and Audrey and the run stuff and wouldn't have minded if it had gone on a little longer.  I liked that Brooke didn't believe for a second that Amy and Audrey killed her father.  Oh and am I the only one who is now shipping Brooke and Noah?    I even liked how Piper and Kieren fit together.  It all worked for me.  

On a side note I don't think Kieren has ever been so interesting....or sexy.   Yes, I know something is wrong with me.  Maybe I need therapy....or to start killing people because apparently that is a whole lot more fun.  

It's the only use he had.  That said, it had a lot of Scream references.

[Last Time Lord]

Oh, sure, now Kieren shows some personality.

I enjoyed the hell out of this finale, and this season. Really hope it gets renewed for a third season. The thing I like the most is it's going to make rewatching season one a whole new experience.

Really like that they didn't kill Kieren. And that cliffhanger! There's a few ways that last line could be interpreted

[colorbars]

Really enjoyed this finale. I've always thought the Emma/Audrey relationship/backstory was the most interesting and compelling parts of the character, non killing stuff, so I've been enjoying how much focus it's gotten in the last half of this season, and especially episode 10 and this one. Loved seeing the two of them there for the big showdown, and how they were both fighting over trying to save the other.

I liked that Emma figured it out without Kieran telling her, especially something as small as that. I also liked that Kieran lived. It's a nice change from the killer always dying, and could provide some good stuff for S3, if there is one. He was more compelling in this episode than any other combined, so it'd be a shame to not get more of serial killer Kieran.

The show does a pretty good job with cliffhangers. The Audrey reveal, though they (thankfully, for me) kind of took it back, was a big one, and now possible allusions to Brandon James calling Kieran. I think it would be a nice set up for S3. A third killer popping up to go on a spree would be pretty ridiculous, but having it be Brandon (or even Kevin Duval), wouldn't seem as over the top to me, since he's been "around" since the pilot and obviously a huge part of the mythology on the show.

[Cranberry]

Kieran was the killer and should now be gone from our screens, Brooke didn't die (I figured Emma, Audrey, and Noah were safe, so I was only worried about her), and even though we all knew Kieran was the killer, the finale still managed to be suspenseful. Plus the reveal made sense based on what we knew about Kieran and how he acted during both seasons (it's especially amusing now that they tried hard to make us suspect him at the end of season one; clearly they had planned ahead). I'm satisfied!

...upon reflection, though, one little nitpick. Emma was SUPER messed up after the first killing spree, yet at the end of this season, we see her happily watching a movie with Audrey? Her boyfriend torturing and killing everyone she loves would be a bigger betrayal than a sister she barely knew doing it, wouldn't you think? Are we to believe that choosing not to kill him gave her some kind of closure?

I mean, I'll accept it because I don't want to watch another season of Emma having a breakdown, but it's still odd.

[Pangloss]

1 hour ago, Last Time Lord said:

Oh, sure, now Kieren shows some personality.

That's how I felt! He finally got interesting! My only complaint is that it took way too long to build to that point. I really would have liked to see more of the Crazy Kieran, instead of the mere 10 minutes or so that we got. But hopefully if season 3 happens, they'll really milk that idea. Agreed with @Free there were so many references to the movies, but in a way that paid a good tribute to them. I really liked the angle of Kieran being Piper's boyfriend, and the last line of the episode was AMAZING. Again, I just wish we'd gotten more of a chance to see Kieran being crazy. He just flipped out of nowhere, and the turn of personality was just too abrupt. At least in the original movie, we saw Billy acting creepy AF in a couple of scenes so that the crazy was foreshadowed effectively. Kieran was just like "I'm boring" and then all of a sudden it was "I'M CRAAAAAZZZZZYYYY!!!!" much too fast. I really hope season 3 happens, and I hope Brooke gets to kick even more ass. 

...Wait hold on I just thought of something: in the autopsy report, Maggie says that Piper was in her mid-20s when she died (which makes sense with the Brandon James timeline). First of all, a girl in her mid-20s writing BFF letters back-and-forth to high-school aged Audrey is definitely some kind of crime (but then again so is murdering people, so obv Piper didn't have much regard for the law...) but more importantly: wouldn't that make Kieran way too old to be in high school? I mean I know that we on this forum have joked about that, but now it's become a real plot issue. I hope they address this in season 3!

[Lady Calypso]

Now, that's what I call a finale. I knew Kieran was the killer since episode 5 of last season, or at least suspected him, but seeing the reveal was a lot of fun. Throughout this episode, I'm like "oh, and this is where Kieran goes to turn on the projector....and look, Kieran's going to knock Audrey out and stuff her in his car before he attacks and stabs Brooke...and this is where Kieran tells Emma to leave because he knows she can't get caught or else Brooke's for sure dead...". The reveal was just fun for me to see Kieran develop a personality. And again, he's the only character that made sense from the beginning, so that was nice. 

The only thing I wanted him to do was swipe his hair out of his face. It's hard to have an evil villain monologue when your hair is covering your crazy eyes. And because he's not dead, we'll get to see Serial Killer Kieran in season 3 (if there is a season 3) so at least we didn't get screwed over with only ten minutes. I bet Kieran's actor was like "I can finally show some personality that's not just a love interest? Finally!". I wonder when the actor found out; was it this season or last? They absolutely knew in season 1 that Kieran was going to be part of this. 

Of course, there are a couple of things I figure he might have had an accomplice for, but maybe not. 

Well, bye Eli. You were just a red herring, I guess. Too bad your cousin killed you.

So...Brooke/Noah hints? Did anyone else catch that? I know they could just be friends, but this show is not subtle in any way, so I figure if there is a season 3, there'll be a love triangle between Noah, Stavo, and Brooke. 

So, Brandon James is back....or "Brandon James", whichever they decide to go with. 

[Cthulhudrew]

I felt the pacing was a bit rushed and uneven, and Kieran as killer was pretty heavily telegraphed, but overall it wasn't a bad finale. I think Emma made the right call not shooting Kieran at the end despite Audrey's calls for her to do it. Even with the phone call Eli made to the police, if they'd have killed Kieran and then the cops showed up, with all the evidence as well as Audrey in a Ghostface costume (albeit maskless)? I can't see them being able to talk their way out of that one.

Despite a rather slow start, this season was much better than the first on all fronts. Writing wise and acting wise.

Too many things went on this episode that really would have required another accomplice, though, and I think that's who called on the phone at the end. Who could it be? Well, they say that nothing bonds two people like killing...

I think Stavo is pretty likely.

Edited August 17, 2016 by Cthulhudrew

[Steph619]

I was right on, like most people were on this forum, that Kieran was the killer. It made sense to me that he had a relationship with Piper and that he would avenge her death by making Emma and Audrey's lives hell. 

Despite it being obvious that Kieran was the killer, I enjoyed this finale especially the big reveal because it had me in suspense. I was still expecting an accomplice to come forward, but from the looks of the last scene, there might still be one.

I was glad Brooke didn't die. Poor girl has gone through enough and it was nice to see her survive. Seeing the Emma and Audrey duo working together to trap Kieran was cool too. 

[slowie]

I'm kind of glad Kieran was the killer after all, I think we all saw him first as Piper's accomplice in season 1 and now the main killer. I liked the finale, sad to see Eli go. A season 3 would be nice, there are still so many questions unanswered with all the half truths from Miguel and Maggie. Maybe in Season 3 we could finally see who's the original killer: Brandon James or Kevin Duvall. 

[Xazeal]

Pretty sure there'll be two more episodes for Halloween, so I'm guessing the final cliffhanger is meant to set that up. We don't have to get a third season to see that.

Incredibly predictable, but whatever. Even though Kieran was the most boring outcome, it also left the least plot holes, which is why he was the prime candidate to begin with. I think his backstory was kind of silly ("Piper taught me that killing people is more fun!") and Kieran's sudden personality shift was hardly believable, but it's par for the course for the Scream franchise. I'd argue that half of the killers from the movies had sillier motives.

I did think this episode was missing some of the show's usual flair, but maybe that was intentional to make it more unsettling and "real". There was very little build-up to Brooke getting stabbed and it was over in the blink of an eye. The shot of Audrey tied up in a chair didn't even warrant an ominous sound effect. Eli just sort of popped up and was killed almost like he was a random extra, with the bare minimum of time spent to tie up his loose ends.

Side note: I still think Brooke got an unusual amount of attention from a killer who supposedly only cared about Emma and Audrey. Emma's parents weren't even touched, yet Brooke lost everyone. I refuse to believe Stavo wasn't involved - notice how as soon as she pushed him away, she got stabbed? I realize the writers probably just love Brooke and wanted her to be involved, but come on. Girl was put through the ringer for no apparent reason.

[Last Time Lord]

1 hour ago, Xazeal said:

Pretty sure there'll be two more episodes for Halloween, so I'm guessing the final cliffhanger is meant to set that up. We don't have to get a third season to see that.

Is there going to be a Halloween special? 

They said there was on Scream After Dark, and even had a brief clip, but I didn't take it seriously, because Scream After Dark had never taken itself seriously. 

[Xazeal]

It's weird, because I haven't seen any official confirmation of a Halloween special. But there's the preview, the actors have mentioned it, there were Instagram pictures where they were hanging out with new cast members for the special... but no actual announcement. It's a bit confusing. 

Said Instagram pictures also pretty much spoiled that Emma/Audrey/Noah/Brooke/Stavo would survive this "finale", so it's all a bit messy and strange.

[Trace]

So, last season, did Kieran kill his father or was it Piper?  I also was confused how Audrey met Piper and started writing her and brought Piper to Lakewood. I agree that I also thought Kieran was too old to be in high school and must have faked his records.  A lot of things confused me but that is all I can think of at the moment.

[Free]

3 hours ago, Last Time Lord said:

Is there going to be a Halloween special? 

They said there was on Scream After Dark, and even had a brief clip, but I didn't take it seriously, because Scream After Dark had never taken itself seriously. 

There is a Halloween special, there's a preview out too.

[Last Time Lord]

2 hours ago, Free said:

There is a Halloween special, there's a preview out too.

Neat. Didn't know that.

I guess if there is any MTV show that would make sense to have a Halloween special, it's Scream. 

[CrazyDog]

10 hours ago, Xazeal said:

Side note: I still think Brooke got an unusual amount of attention from a killer who supposedly only cared about Emma and Audrey. Emma's parents weren't even touched, yet Brooke lost everyone. I refuse to believe Stavo wasn't involved - notice how as soon as she pushed him away, she got stabbed? I realize the writers probably just love Brooke and wanted her to be involved, but come on. Girl was put through the ringer for no apparent reason.

Cool, I wondered if I had missed something there. Why was Brooke targeted so much at the beginning of the season? Just because she was friends with Emma? Same with Noah? Kieran just liked to kill people? Weak backstory. Sorry to see Eli go with so little fanfare.

I have to believe the show will get a 3rd season because there is still a lot to cover. There has to be another killer besides Brandon or Kevin, and agree that Stavo makes the most sense. I did like (if he wasn't the killer), the brief moment with him and his dad at the hospital.

I'm so happy that Noah survived, he's still my favorite along with Brooke. I still get a weird vibe from Audrey and am not sure why. I half expected her to be working with Keiran at the end. Hopefully all her secrets are out, because she and Emma do make a great pair.

I was a little underwhelmed with this finale, but I still love the show. Bring on S3! I actually want more focus on the Sheriff, Emma's mom and Brandon James.

Edited August 17, 2016 by CrazyDog

[Grace284]

I know we're all well aware of this, but it deserves comment - sweet Jesus Kieran is a terrible actor.

Oh well, at least Eli is dead. Kid deserved that. "Seems to be a lot of murder in this town. Should I maybe mention my cousin is a psychopath... Nah."

[Last Time Lord]

Thinking about it, one thing that annoys me is it was established that Piper was with Audrey when Rachael was killed. Which means Kieran killed Rachel, and yet, Audrey didn't even mention this

I'm going to chalk this up to Audrey still being woozy after getting drugged or knocked out, or whatever. 

Also: Kieran double dipped in the gene pool. 

Edited August 17, 2016 by Last Time Lord

[WhosThatGirl]

First time posting on this forum, I don't know.. I guess I'm not surprised. Kieran was a guess. I was really hoping Emma was the killer though and that she finally snapped but a few episodes back made my theory null and void. 

[Chaos Theory]

13 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

First time posting on this forum, I don't know.. I guess I'm not surprised. Kieran was a guess. I was really hoping Emma was the killer though and that she finally snapped but a few episodes back made my theory null and void. 

That would have been aot more fun if the shrink's Folie à deux theory was actually correct or if Emma had killed Kieran and Emma and Audrey had been arrested because Kieran had framed them so well.  Later Emma had been the one to get the creepy phone call at the end.    Honestly that's how I would have written it.  Emma and Audrey get arrested for all the murders but Brooke and Noah don't believe they are guilty and are determined to break them out of prison....dun dun dun!

Edited August 17, 2016 by Chaos Theory

[Free]

7 hours ago, Last Time Lord said:

Neat. Didn't know that.

I guess if there is any MTV show that would make sense to have a Halloween special, it's Scream. 

I think it was during the after show or so I heard, I just saw a promo of it so that's how I knew.

[Texasmom1970]

Like many have posted it wasn't the most original of endings but I also enjoyed it. For a minute there when they couldn't find Audrey I was like oh crap please do not let her be involved she is one of if not my favorite character on this series.

[Pangloss]

3 hours ago, Last Time Lord said:

Thinking about it, one thing that annoys me is it was established that Piper was with Audrey when Rachael was killed. Which means Kieran killed Rachel, and yet, Audrey didn't even mention this

I'm going to chalk this up to Audrey still being woozy after getting drugged or knocked out, or whatever. 

Also: Kieran double dipped in the gene pool. 

Oh yeah, I'm still wondering WHY Kieran killed Rachel. Like, WTF did she have to do with anything? To throw the cops off the trail?

[Last Time Lord]

10 minutes ago, Pangloss said:

Oh yeah, I'm still wondering WHY Kieran killed Rachel. Like, WTF did she have to do with anything? To throw the cops off the trail?

Honestly, I think it was purely for the alibi. Piper was with Audrey, so Rachel being killed removes any doubt from Piper.

And as for why Rachel, specifically, well, she was a girl that went to a Catholic High School that was just outed via a totally not YouTube video. Staging it as a suicide makes a frighteningly ton of sense, with the discrepancy between the distance she actually fell, and how she was found being an obvious clue  to the police that she was murdered.

[WhosThatGirl]

I mean.. at the end of it, I kind of just find it being stupid and silly. Mostly because it was called back on these fourms and really.. I was hoping that these writers would be more clever than that. Emma being the killer would have been awesome, even scream didn't venture there-the 4th one SORT of did but not really- as someone who has been attacked finally snapping. The boyfriend angle just feels tired here. Even more tired than the angle of last finale, which most of us figured out too about Piper being the child who was going on the killing spree. That was tired. So, yeah. This show being predictable might be it's thing, I guess. 

[Cranberry]

I think writers on shows like this have it rough. They can either go the predictable route (which is usually predictable because they've properly foreshadowed it) or they can go with something "shocking" (i.e. usually nonsensical). I find the former more satisfying, really. (Yes, Pretty Little Liars, I AM still side-eyeing you.)

[WhosThatGirl]

Ugh, Pretty Little Liars is the worst. Mostly because it used to be so good and now they go for shocking endings, but also waver to the fans way too much- I'm still not over their take backs of real shocking reveals of TobyIsA but oh wait, no he's not or EzrA because the fans flipped and despite what the PTB say, I still think they change their plans based on what shippers want- but that's a different show, so yes, giving credit where credit is due, at least this show doesn't.. at least from the two seasons bend to fans whims and doesn't seem to waver much on their plans. Their stories do tie up nicely, even if it's predictable so I'll give them that as well. 

[niklj]

Good finale considering that Kieran was pretty obviously the killer.

I felt bad for little Goldilocks Eli, dayum, stabbed and shot four times, AND he really liked Emma. 

What was the deal with Eli's mom, though? They kinda left that whole plot dangling.

I KNOW THAT STAVO HAS A BIGGER PART IN ALL THIS. C'mon, those "tears" in the hospital were so bleh. He's the guy with the iPad so I would think he would be the guy who helped arrange all the tech-savvy stuff the killer had to do, like program the web cams, hacking into the laptop...I really can't imagine Kieran sitting at a computer doing any of that.

Lots of Billy Loomis vibes, so I was expecting it to be like the first Scream so I still don't trust Stavo and I love that Noah didn't let him into the theater lol

Also, as a last note, how did the police know that it was Kieran that was the killer? If they still believed Audrey and Emma were psycho killers, it just looked like they caught the two mid-kill. I thought Kieran might play the victim. Oh well.

Please, please, please give us a season 3. A Halloween special ain't gonna cut it! (Pun intended.)

[Last Time Lord]

Personally, I'm a believer that predictability is not bad, if it makes sense. The season was peppered with hints and clues that it could have been Eli, or Stavos, or Kieren. Any one of them could have made sense with the knowledge that we were given.

[Last Time Lord]

3 minutes ago, niklj said:

Also, as a last note, how did the police know that it was Kieran that was the killer? If they still believed Audrey and Emma were psycho killers, it just looked like they caught the two mid-kill. I thought Kieran might play the victim. Oh well.

Eli said he called the police after he was stabbed, and pretended he was dead so Kieren would leave.

[MaggieG]

I really just wanted Kieran to brush the hair out of his damn face. So annoying!

I'm actually intrigued by a season 3, hopefully Brandon James will finally come out of the woodwork.

[Misty79]

19 hours ago, Grace284 said:

I know we're all well aware of this, but it deserves comment - sweet Jesus Kieran is a terrible actor.

Oh well, at least Eli is dead. Kid deserved that. "Seems to be a lot of murder in this town. Should I maybe mention my cousin is a psychopath... Nah."

Yes, yes he is. I thought this was a pretty terrific episode up until the "unmasking" at which point the dude who plays Kieran needed to step it up and just failed completely. Heavy breathing and a highly strung out voice does not constitute acting. Very disappointing. I'd hoped (naively it seems) that the wooden acting was deliberate and the character would suddenly come to life after the reveal. But the episode was still a good watch. I loved the first third in particular. I think I could watch a whole series about Emma and Audrey on the run from the law. I loved them protecting each other. Brooke had me worried that she was going to be the accomplice, I thought she was acting odd and a little sketchy early on. They had me there. Also loved Brooke and Noah's meta conversation in the movie theatre and Noah's "no, really, I'm not the killer". 

I am disappointed there was no accomplice in the end, however. 

On 17/08/2016 at 5:41 AM, Cranberry said:

...upon reflection, though, one little nitpick. Emma was SUPER messed up after the first killing spree, yet at the end of this season, we see her happily watching a movie with Audrey? Her boyfriend torturing and killing everyone she loves would be a bigger betrayal than a sister she barely knew doing it, wouldn't you think? Are we to believe that choosing not to kill him gave her some kind of closure?

I mean, I'll accept it because I don't want to watch another season of Emma having a breakdown, but it's still odd.

I get you. But I feel like Emma came out of this season a little differently. She really stood up to the killer, actively wanted to end things once and for all. She faced her fears head on. So it sort of makes sense to me that she may be carrying less anxiety afterwards. 

Kudos to the actress who plays Emma, actually. I think she sold the finale really well. She looked good with a gun! Whoever did the casting for this show really excelled (excepting the Kieran choice). Emma, Audrey, Noah and Brooke are all well written characters played by solid actors. 

[LakeGal]

I enjoyed the finale.  But it was obvious who the killer was for weeks.  I watched the finale thinking about Kieran doing the various things the killer was doing even before the reveal.  I did like that they had Emma figure it out before he revealed it.

I do wish they would have had Kieran exposed earlier in the episode so we could have had more happen afterwards.  I wanted to see more of Audrey's reaction for example. 

I want to re-watch the first season now knowing for sure Kieran was Piper's co-killer and not just Audrey as her helper.

[KaveDweller]

I wonder what Kieran was planning on doing if Emma didn't figure it out. Did he say that line on purpose to get her to accuse him? Was he going to reveal himself before killing her? I assume most psycho killers would want to do this, but I don't know how much longer he could stretch things out.

Also, if Mrs. Lang was saying she thought Emma and Audrey were the killers, did that mean she was really screaming at Emma that day in the hospital? Why?

[bettername2come]

I'll say this for the Kieran actor: he seemed to be having so much fun this episode. Chewing the scenery (as horror villains often will) but he made it look delicious. And I noted the deliberate use of shirtlessness to distract from the "killer, killer, you're the killer" vibe. Nice try, show, but it just made him look guiltier.

12 hours ago, Misty79 said:

I am disappointed there was no accomplice in the end, however. 

That we know of. Dun dun dun. I still have my suspicions about Stavos.

[Anela]

I also thought he finally showed some personality. I briefly wondered if Audrey was involved after all, but I'm glad that she wasn't. 

[truthaboutluv]

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What was the deal with Eli's mom, though? They kinda left that whole plot dangling.

I think I said this in the previous episode thread, but I think it was clear that most of Kieran's family was shady. They just weren't serial killing murderers like him. I think from the earliest conversation with Eli and his mom when he was saying the house they were in at Lakewood beat the crappy place with her latest boyfriend, that the mother was probably some flake who wasn't above doing some underhanded things. And Eli's whole breaking into people's home thing, meant he wasn't the most normal either. Again, they just weren't serial killing psychos. But he should have listened to his mom when she wanted to get out of town because sticking around got him killed. 

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I also thought he finally showed some personality. 

Yes, like others said, he still wasn't great by any means necessary but he finally stopped saying his lines like some soulless, automaton. Of course I guess now that his being guilty has been revealed, someone can make the case that that was deliberate on the actor's part, knowing that Kieran was really a sociopath and everything he was saying to Emma was fake. Oh who are we kidding - he just sucked.  

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Oh well, at least Eli is dead. Kid deserved that. "Seems to be a lot of murder in this town. Should I maybe mention my cousin is a psychopath... Nah."

Wow, I get not liking the character but I'm not sure what Eli did to deserve being murdered like that by Kieran. YMMV but I don't think Eli really believed Kieran was guilty...well until he figured out and got stabbed, then later murdered. Yes, maybe he wondered or suspected and thought it was strange the murders were happening when Kieran moved into the town but at the same time, Kieran had no relationship with and to the Brandon James saga, which everyone suspected at the time was the motivation behind the killings, and it was. Yes, Eli knew he was manipulative and unstable based on his setting him up with the girl he liked but that's a far cry from being a serial killer. And when Kieran's dad was murdered, he probably thought for sure he had nothing to do with it. I think Eli's suspicions became stronger from living with Kieran in Lakewood. 

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Personally, I'm a believer that predictability is not bad, if it makes sense.

This. No doubt a good shocking twist is awesome but too many shows/movies/etc. have suffered from writers trying so hard to shock and surprise and instead the result is just a stupid mess that annoys the viewers and makes no sense. 

So one loose end - was Kieran the one living in the old Brandon James house or are we supposed to still think Brandon's alive, judging by the phone call Kieran got at the end. 

Edited August 20, 2016 by truthaboutluv

[Chaos Theory]

Shocking twists are awesome when they work and when they are intended but sometimes (like with Pretty Little Liars) I think the writers and show runners panic when the audience guesses who the killer/big reveal is and decide to switch it up three quarters through the show.    I mean who didn't have Kieran in their top three most likely?  It was either him,  the idiot shrink's theory was actually correct and Emma and Audrey had lost their freakin minds (which was my top theory FYI)  or Stavo.   The show gave credence to all three options which I really liked.   Ultimately Kieran actually was the best choice.  Although I still think it would have been cool if it was that Folie à deux thing.  Just because I am built that way.  

[Lady Calypso]

17 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

Yes, like others said, he still wasn't great by any means necessary but he finally stopped saying his lines like some soulless, automaton. Of course I guess now that his being guilty has been revealed, someone can make the case that that was deliberate on the actor's part, knowing that Kieran was really a sociopath and everything he was saying to Emma was fake. Oh who are we kidding - he just sucked.  

Yeah, he just sucked. The actor confirmed that he just found out before this finale, which....really? The producers knew from season 1 episode 1 (apparently it was part of their pitch?) and they didn't bother to inform the actor because they didn't want him to play his role any differently...Yeah, ok there, show. 

[Last Time Lord]

3 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Yeah, he just sucked. The actor confirmed that he just found out before this finale, which....really? The producers knew from season 1 episode 1 (apparently it was part of their pitch?) and they didn't bother to inform the actor because they didn't want him to play his role any differently...Yeah, ok there, show. 

Was that taken from the Scream After Dark? The way that thing is formatted,  I have a hard time deciding exactly what they say that I should take seriously. 

[Chaos Theory]

On August 20, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Lady Calypso said:

Yeah, he just sucked. The actor confirmed that he just found out before this finale, which....really? The producers knew from season 1 episode 1 (apparently it was part of their pitch?) and they didn't bother to inform the actor because they didn't want him to play his role any differently...Yeah, ok there, show. 

I rewatced the pilot and there are a lot of things that could be read as Kieran always being the accomplice.   I don't know if the producers told the actor or not but from everyone mentioning his lack of acting ability my guess is he might have telegraphed it too much.  Anyone I do at least buy that Kieran was always meant to be the accomplice.  

[Happytobehere]

Just binged this.  So everyone correctly guessed that Piper was the killer and Kieran was her accomplice by about the midway point of Season One and it was revealed to be true. Kieran's capture still doesn't address who the other killer was be that personmhis accomplice or simply a second killer.  I would like for it to be one of the core four, but this show won't go there, so as viewers suspect, it will most likely be Stavo.