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Supergirl Casts Teen Wolf's Tyler Hoechlin As Its Superman


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okay I'm pleasantly surprised with Tyler. I wanted Matt Bomer, but CW couldn't afford to get him (and I've heard he's already commited to be in AHS)

I think Tyler will be fine. He's buff enough and he even wears glasses in real life. Just Google him and you'll see I'm right, and being a star of Teen Wolf, he'll be sure to be in top top form to fill out the costume. I just hope they design a really good one for him to wear......

Now for the other question: who's going to play Lois?

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Yeah I really liked Hoechlin on Teen Wolf, but I just do not see it.  Don't get me wrong he has the steely good looks to the point where at times from the right angle he sorta resembles a young Dean Cain (which could be a little weird since Superman is not supposed to look like he is related to Jeremiah Danvers :P ).   However he just looks and sounds too young to me for a character that is supposed to be nearing their 40s. (Yes I am basing this on recent TH interviews and stuff from 2016, not just his Teen Wolf stuff from years ago).   I mean in a still image from the perfect angle where he puts on a serious face he can maybe look slightly older...but in the course of actually talking and moving nope definitely looks obviously young.  Plus looking at pictures of him with glasses I just am not getting much of a Clark Kent vibe?

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I love Tyler Hoechlin and feel he was horribly used on Teen Wolf - but have had to be embarrassed on his behalf for 3 out of the last three casting tidbits. The fifty shades movies and now this. Maybe he knows better than me and will pull it off well. Though I actually think he was a better choice than many of the names thrown around earlier this summer. I agree hopefully he will be sparingly used.

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As we're discussing in another topic (and as has been mentioned here too), he's WAY too young. Mathematically we KNOW Superman has to be pushing 40 in this world (maybe 37-38). Does this guy look like he's that age?

He's also a bit less cleancut than you'd expect for the character. The whole problem with the Snyder version is that it forgot that Clark Kent is basically a big Boy Scout. Admittedly that's a lot to judge just by an actor's appearance, but that's a legit part of the casting process too.

The age is the big one though. What were they THINKING?

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45 minutes ago, Kromm said:

The age is the big one though. What were they THINKING?

That he's hot and cheap, and they can play it off that Clark looks young because he's an alien? But seriously, there are plenty of hot guys who have reached the 3rd decade of life. What gives, WB casting?

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34 minutes ago, Trini said:

That he's hot and cheap, and they can play it off that Clark looks young because he's an alien? But seriously, there are plenty of hot guys who have reached the 3rd decade of life. What gives, WB casting?

They're appealing to the CW's tween girl (predominant) audience. It helps that Hoechlin is already popular with that audience from Teen Wolf.

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The age thing really doesn't matter as Kryptonians almost always are said to age slower than humans due to the lighter (for them) stresses of the Earth's gravity.  Also, Melissa is about four years older than Kara is supposed to be, so there's four years of the approximately 12 years of chronological age difference (I think I calculated that right) between them.  Not a big deal. 

I like the casting. 

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2 hours ago, Stacey1014 said:

I'm not familiar with Teen Wolf, but I remember Tyler from 7th Heaven and he was very monotone. 

I'm wondering if they're planning their own Superman series. I'm also curious as to who will eventually play Lois. 

By all accounts a nice looking thirtysomething should be playing Lois.  Given the horrible precedent set by this casting of Superman, I imagine our eventual Lois could wind up even younger than Lucy (take note that Jenna Dewan is actually 35, even though they had her passing for mid-20s here). 

10 hours ago, Shades of Scarlet said:

The age thing really doesn't matter as Kryptonians almost always are said to age slower than humans due to the lighter (for them) stresses of the Earth's gravity.

That's gonna catch up with them eventually if the show actually stays on the air long enough for Melissa to show some age. Not saying it's inevitable, but it's a bad precedent. 

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3 hours ago, Stacey1014 said:

I'm not familiar with Teen Wolf, but I remember Tyler from 7th Heaven and he was very monotone. 

I'm wondering if they're planning their own Superman series. I'm also curious as to who will eventually play Lois. 

Yeah, I can't lie, one of the first things the casting made me wonder was "backdoor pilot?" It seems unlikely, but one never knows....

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2 hours ago, Kendra said:

I wonder if they will have him shave? If he's clean shaven he's REALLY going to look younger than he does. 

Probably. If the show follows Silver Age canon, Kryptonian hair and fingernails don't grow under Earth's yellow sun because of Kryptonian invulnerability, so Kal can't be sporting any stubble.  That inexplicably changed following the 1985 reboot, and I never could understand why -- to me, it was one of the little things that set Superman apart from other superheroes.

Of course, in Silver Age canon, it would have been impossible to impale Astra even on a sword made of green Kryptonite, as it would only have shattered against her invulnerable body.  The fragments, however, would still have been deadly to her.  So perhaps the show isn't quite adhering to Silver Age canon.

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2 hours ago, legaleagle53 said:

Probably. If the show follows Silver Age canon, Kryptonian hair and fingernails don't grow under Earth's yellow sun because of Kryptonian invulnerability, so Kal can't be sporting any stubble.  That inexplicably changed following the 1985 reboot, and I never could understand why -- to me, it was one of the little things that set Superman apart from other superheroes.

99% of what changed following the 1985 reboot can be chalked up to "Because John Byrne wanted it that way."  His suit changed from being Kryptonian to made by his mother, and Byrne came up with "Superman generates an aura that protects things very close to his skin," because Byrne liked drawing his cape in tatters.

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5 hours ago, stealinghome said:

Yeah, I can't lie, one of the first things the casting made me wonder was "backdoor pilot?" It seems unlikely, but one never knows....

I'm actually very suspicious that is what is happening. 

I know some aren't bothered by it, but to me he is ridiculously too young for this role. Except for Melissa, Tyler is the youngest actor in Supergirl's cast! It just doesn't make sense that they would cast someone who is clearly younger than Superman has been established to be on this show. And sorry, but the whole "well, Superman ages slower than humans do" excuse doesn't work for me. Mostly because that has never been expressed to be a thing on this show. And how does Kara seem to be aging normally for the past 11 years, but Clark hasn't? It just...I am still really shocked they went with such a young actor. So it does have me wondering as well if there is a possibility for some kind of Superman themed spinoff they are working toward with this if it turns out to be well received. 

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3 hours ago, legaleagle53 said:

Probably. If the show follows Silver Age canon, Kryptonian hair and fingernails don't grow under Earth's yellow sun because of Kryptonian invulnerability, so Kal can't be sporting any stubble.  That inexplicably changed following the 1985 reboot, and I never could understand why -- to me, it was one of the little things that set Superman apart from other superheroes.

It probably changed because it's incredibly stupid.  I mean think about it for a minute...Kal arrived on Earth as a baby.  Unless he had the exact same size fingernails, hair, and presumably teeth as a baby as he does as an adult then no tha conceptt is just plain stupid because clearly that stuff had to grow while he was in Earth's atmosphere.  Not to mention that it doesn't fit with multiple Silver Age stories where he does sport a beard/mustache for some reason or another such as when he is hit with the evolutionary ray or because he is older like in the all time classic "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow".  On top of that long before Byrne you had Kara changing her hair length multiple times which also does not fit.  

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1 minute ago, Xenith22 said:

It probably changed because it's incredibly stupid.  I mean think about it for a minute...Kal arrived on Earth as a baby.  Unless he had the exact same size fingernails, hair, and presumably teeth as a baby as he does as an adult then no tha conceptt is just plain stupid because clearly that stuff had to grow while he was in Earth's atmosphere.  Not to mention that it doesn't fit with multiple Silver Age stories where he does sport a beard/mustache for some reason or another such as when he is hit with the evolutionary ray or because he is older like in the all time classic "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow".  On top of that long before Byrne you had Kara changing her hair length multiple times which also does not fit.   Really though the only place the moronic hair does not grow idea was ever mentioned was in Jimmy Olsen responding to a letter, it wasn't Clark saying this so it's a strong possibility that Jimmy just made a stupid guess.

No, Lois also frequently mentioned it, as did Superman himself, particularly in stories where the exception happened that proved the rule (such as one Silver Age story from the early 60s in which exposure to Red Kryptonite caused Superman to grow long hair, a wild beard, and long fingernails which were still invulnerable; the only way he could trim them was to have Supergirl and Krypto combine their heat vision to give him a shave, a haircut, and a manicure).  So it actually WAS an established part of Silver Age canon.

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I always thought even pre-Crisis, Superman's hair and beard would grow, he just needed a mirror and heat-vision to cut and trim them. The whole "hair and nails don't grow in Earth's atmosphere" is dumb, even by Silver Age standards.

In any case, I definitely prefer post-Crisis Superman (Byrne's version).

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18 hours ago, Kendra said:

I'm actually very suspicious that is what is happening. 

I know some aren't bothered by it, but to me he is ridiculously too young for this role. Except for Melissa, Tyler is the youngest actor in Supergirl's cast! It just doesn't make sense that they would cast someone who is clearly younger than Superman has been established to be on this show. And sorry, but the whole "well, Superman ages slower than humans do" excuse doesn't work for me. Mostly because that has never been expressed to be a thing on this show. And how does Kara seem to be aging normally for the past 11 years, but Clark hasn't? It just...I am still really shocked they went with such a young actor. So it does have me wondering as well if there is a possibility for some kind of Superman themed spinoff they are working toward with this if it turns out to be well received. 

Why should the Kryptonians age the same way as humans do, really? For all we know they age for like 25 years and then just stop, or slow down, or whatever. Considering that the show already asks us for a pretty big suspension of disbelief, younger-looking Superman is, like, the least unbelievable thing.

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People are going to notice if Clark Kent suddenly stops aging and looks the exact same at 40 as he did at 25, though. There's no way he could maintain a secret identity if he stopped aging at 25.

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On 6/18/2016 at 11:12 AM, FurryFury said:

Why should the Kryptonians age the same way as humans do, really? For all we know they age for like 25 years and then just stop, or slow down, or whatever. Considering that the show already asks us for a pretty big suspension of disbelief, younger-looking Superman is, like, the least unbelievable thing.

Well you've gone and placed an enormous burden on Melissa to... stop aging.

52 minutes ago, bettername2come said:

The age thing throws me, but otherwise I think he looks Superman enough, and he looks good in glasses and a suit for playing Clark Kent

The hairy versions of him I've seen around aren't that perfect a fit for Superman. And even though the actor actually isn't... for some reason he looks kind of Latino. Which is fine if he was and it was a diversity statement or something, but I wouldn't say it's the "classic" Supes look. It's a new one.

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So apparently Tyler didn't audition. He was just given the role. I realize this is a pretty common thing since Hollywood is a lot about "who you know" but I'm a bit surprised he didn't at least read once for this role. And that there wasn't a little more behind the casting of THIS particular part. It's superman! One of the most iconic characters ever. 

I don't buy for a second that this will be just a two episode thing. I'm expecting superman to be around a lot more. So I thought the casting process would have been a bigger deal. 

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On 6/21/2016 at 0:44 PM, Kromm said:

Well you've gone and placed an enormous burden on Melissa to... stop aging.

Eh? The CW's been running a show about Immortal vampires for 8 seasons now, and Hugh Jackman's been playing the slow aging Wolverine for 16 years, I think she'll be fine.

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I'm wondering if they're planning their own Superman series.

It would be just  Supergirl with a dude, It would be so redundant IMO. And I just dont see it with DCCU movies lined up, and Smallville isn't even that cold yet.

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Why should the Kryptonians age the same way as humans do, really? For all we know they age for like 25 years and then just stop, or slow down, or whatever. Considering that the show already asks us for a pretty big suspension of disbelief, younger-looking Superman is, like, the least unbelievable thing.

I certainly respect how some people are bothered by it but Im with you there. I personally don't see the age as a big deal, its acting, most of the actors are playing ages far from their own. The vampire diaries has people in the 30s playing teenagers. Also heard that the woman playing Kara's mother & aunt is like 9 years older than her. Mehcad Brooks plays 24 year old Kara's love interest and he is like 35. Usually actors play younger than than the other way around but a few do play older.  I don't see why one is controversial but not the other¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

I guess im very chilled as I always thought TH looked older than his age on Teen Wolf. Back when he was 25, I couldnt believe he wasn't in his 30s yet. Keeping the beard may help to age him more. I didn't want a Superman in the show, but as an ex-Teen Wolf fan, I love the casting. I'm now more pumped for season 2.

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So after the scary bad promo shot (which was apparently a poor photoshop job since Tyler said he had yet to wear the costume at SDCC) we now have the first actual images of him in costume...and yeah he looks like he will be a fantastic Superman. (Visually at least...and the beard is indeed gone).  However the costume...not so much.  The words KILL IT WITH FIRE come to mind when I look at that cape and belt... 

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/tyler-hoechlin-superman-supergirl-costume

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He's clean shaven and in some set pics I've seen he has the forehead curl. That's all I asked! He looks great.

However the costume...not so much.

Unfortunately, the suit looks cheap but the worst, to me, are the boots. Ugh!

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Yeah, something is just off with him and his suit.  I hope that's just from the way the picture is shot, and the look will improve in that actual TV show (possibly from some post-production).

Regardless, I am still hoping the show is still going to be centered around SUPERGIRL.  And that we will get only occasional visits from Superman.   In the meantime, relegate him to just instant messaging SG. 

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Part of the problem is that he still looks about ten years too young to play Kal, who was already 24 when Kara finally landed on Earth nearly 13 years ago (in show time), especially when he's dressed as Clark.  Granted, Kryptonians are assumed to age at a much slower rate once they reach adulthood because of their powers under Earth's yellow sun and lighter gravity, but he looks as though he hasn't aged a single day in those nearly 13 years.  That makes it very hard to buy that he's physically and biologically that much older than Kara (he's actually 36-37 chronologically), even if he was really born 12 years after she was.  And it certainly doesn't help that Kara herself didn't age during the 24 years that she was stuck in the Phantom Zone because time doesn't pass there (she's almost 50 now chronologically).  The only way a 25-year-old Kal would work in the present day would be if Kara had arrived on Earth when she was supposed to (i.e., at the same time he did as an infant) and they had both aged normally to adulthood with her getting there 12 or 13 years before he did.

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The way they're doing the way the cape attaches to the rest of the costume just looks weird, I don't think that I've ever seen a Superman cape design that looked like that. The belt looks like an attempt to combine the traditional gold belt/red "underwear" costume with the current red belt/all blue costume by going red belt with gold accents around the edges, but probably would have looked better in reverse, IMO.

The actor looks pretty darn spot on for Superman though, IMO. I'm hoping that most of his appearances on the show will be as Clark and not as Superman.

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I just thought of another problem with this casting; doesn't this mess up the casting for Lois Lane? She would have to be older than Lucy(Tatum) and contemporary with Cat Grant -- but yet, I think they would also want her to be in the same age range as Clark(Tyler). On the other hand, and older Lois/younger Clark isn't unprecedented.

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10 minutes ago, Trini said:

I just thought of another problem with this casting; doesn't this mess up the casting for Lois Lane? She would have to be older than Lucy(Tatum) and contemporary with Cat Grant -- but yet, I think they would also want her to be in the same age range as Clark(Tyler). On the other hand, and older Lois/younger Clark isn't unprecedented.

But is Lois even going to be on Supergirl this season?  If not, then her age relative to Kal and to Cat is a moot point, as long as we aren't going to see her.  All we'll need to know is that she's Lucy's older sister -- how much older won't matter if she's not due to be introduced yet.

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I haven't heard anything about Lois appearing this season*, I'm just saying now this is something they might have to factor in, if they do plan on having her show up eventually. But if this show lasts long enough, fully expect her to guest star at some point; with her being one of the most prominent female characters in the Superman 'family'.

 

*(Personally, I would have loved to see Lois show up before Clark. Oh well....)

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13 hours ago, Trini said:

I just thought of another problem with this casting; doesn't this mess up the casting for Lois Lane? She would have to be older than Lucy(Tatum) and contemporary with Cat Grant -- but yet, I think they would also want her to be in the same age range as Clark(Tyler). On the other hand, and older Lois/younger Clark isn't unprecedented.

I suspect that they went young in the casting of Clark because they want to present Kara and Clark visually as peers and equals rather than him being the one who is older and automatically the "senior" superhero.

Lois, IMO, would be at least a few years older than Clark, since she's usually presented as a well established, respected reporter in Metropolis before Clark/Superman shows up.

I don't think it'll be much of an issue for the casting people, "adult who is not yet old enough to be the parent of teenagers" is a pretty wide net in Hollywood style casting and the various actors in that range are often cast to play a fair bit younger or older than they really are and with little regard for their age relative to others in that same range.

They'll either play up the idea that Clark looks young for his age or not*. If they do they'll probably go a little older in the casting of Lois. If they don't they'll probably cast someone in the 35-40 age range that Tatum and Brooks are in and just leave us to assume that Lois is a few years older than Clark and a few years younger than Cat.

*Maybe Cat will make some comment about Clark looking like he hasn't aged a day since she last saw him and wanting to know his secret to staying young, and then fans can spend the rest of the series debating on whether Cat has figured out that Clark is Superman or not.

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I'm not crazy about armored shin guards for someone who can withstand an H-bomb, but the cape is the real horror show in this design. The main portion of it looks like a red plastic tarp, and the shoulder... whatever those things are look like giant straps from some grandmother's oversized handbag. All I can say is they better blow a LOT of CGI dollars on making that look better.

Tyler himself works fine for me, he's got the basic Disney Prince look (and like Cavill, appears to be somewhat older than his actual age), and in real life has the sunny boy scout disposition this role needs.

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Really surprised they couldn't just get Brandon Routh for the role.  Not like he can do the movies anymore, what with him having been killed in the last one.

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1 hour ago, Michel said:

Really surprised they couldn't just get Brando Routh for the role.  Not like he can do the movies anymore, what with him having been killed in the last one.

Of course they could get him. He already works for them, playing Ray Palmer.

Way back people speculated that they could work some deal with some lame "alternate universe" explanation, where someone with the identical face was Ray Palmer from Earth in one universe, but Kal-El from Krypton in another, but thankfully they didn't go for that because even for universes based in comic books, it was a bit too much to suggest that parallel planetary evolution would ever allow that.

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Of course they could get him. He already works for them, playing Ray Palmer.

No they cant nor were they ever going to. Supergirl is not a spin off  nor a sequel  of Superman Returns. 

The creators of Superman returns chose Brandon because they felt he was the right man for the role and to work with.  Supergirl  creators likewise did their own recruitment and chose Tyler Hoechlin, they were specific things they were looking for. Just because one actor was right for one project does not mean they are for another.  Especially considering how long ago Brandon played the role, he might have been right for the role back then but not now. 

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On ‎9‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 1:29 PM, DCLeague said:

No they cant nor were they ever going to. Supergirl is not a spin off  nor a sequel  of Superman Returns. 

The creators of Superman returns chose Brandon because they felt he was the right man for the role and to work with.  Supergirl  creators likewise did their own recruitment and chose Tyler Hoechlin, they were specific things they were looking for. Just because one actor was right for one project does not mean they are for another.  Especially considering how long ago Brandon played the role, he might have been right for the role back then but not now. 

Since Superman in the Supergirl universe is 13 years older I think BR's age wouldn't have been an issue.  I think if it had just been a cameo role, BR would have been a fabulously fun bit of casting and I don't think people would have been put off by the meta joke or convoluted explanation, but I get why if they want him to stick around for a couple episodes and maybe reoccur in the future that it would get too complicated to have Routh fit it into his schedule. 

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1 hour ago, BkWurm1 said:

Since Superman in the Supergirl universe is 13 years older I think BR's age wouldn't have been an issue.  I think if it had just been a cameo role, BR would have been a fabulously fun bit of casting and I don't think people would have been put off by the meta joke or convoluted explanation, but I get why if they want him to stick around for a couple episodes and maybe reoccur in the future that it would get too complicated to have Routh fit it into his schedule. 

It's not his schedule. It literally has nothing to do with his schedule, IMO.

They did not want to go the route of having to explain how a human being, Ray Palmer, has the same face as an alien, Kal-El, even with a universe between them. No other parallels between any of the universes they've admitted are part of the TV universe has created a situation where that's possible.

To me it's that even if they admit it's all a fantasy, they want internal consistency. They don't want to allow anything that would inherently come off as bullshit/inherently illogical, even if between the four shows, and the Vixen cartoon, they do regularly allow stuff that violates normal physics, has time travel, or requires magic (and before that last is suggested as a way for human Palmer and Kryptonian Kal-El to share a face, remember that magic isn't generally supposed to be part of any Superman story, other than as comedy with Mister Mxyzptlk, so simply using "A Wizard did it" would come off as a cop-out). 

They do stunt casting with former Supermen and Supergirls (and upcoming Wonder Women) as totally different people, because those aren't portrayed as actual alternates of the "Flarrowverse" multiverse. The one, the only, previous property where there's been ANY implication of an actual direct link is the 1990s Flash TV show (because they apparently showed that Flash in one of the wormhole visions Barry had when universe jumping), but even there I bet if they'd though more about it they wouldn't have done even that, since giving Barry's dad and an alternate version of Barry himself the same exact, if differently aged, face in different universes is still a bit iffy (even if less outrageous than giving an alien and a human the same face). 

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It's not his schedule. It literally has nothing to do with his schedule, IMO.

They did not want to go the route of having to explain how a human being, Ray Palmer, has the same face as an alien, Kal-El, even with a universe between them.

 

I think the big reality is that they had plans for the Superman character that made using BR illogical and they would have known that from the start so he would never have been a serious option. 

I'm fine with accepting that one of MANY issues that might come up if they ever got to it might have been concern that some viewers would have been confused about having two characters in the Flarrowverse that looked like BR, but had how they wanted to use Superman been different, I find it just as likely that they'd have wanted the fun and PR of stunt casting BR and basically thought stretching credulity be damned. 

These are the people that had Barry kill his time remnant aka the version of him that happened earlier in time and still somehow was still alive in the present.  It's waaaaay more of a stretch to accept that lack of logic than the off chance that in another universe some alien looked like some human.  I've personally been told two or three times that people know someone that looks just like me and nope, no relation so I just don't think had they wanted to use Routh, they would have let some confusion stop them.   

I could be wrong but it's all a matter of opinion.

 

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No other parallels between any of the universes they've admitted are part of the TV universe has created a situation where that's possible.

Where an alien could look like some human?  Sure they have.  The whole explanation of the multi verse is that there is a world for every possibility. 

In Supergirl's world there is no Cisco or Caitlin or Harrison Wells.  They as humans don't exist.  Their lack of existence is no stranger than a universe were a tall, dark haired handsome white dude alien just happened to resemble another tall dark haired handsome white dude from earth.    

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To me it's that even if they admit it's all a fantasy, they want internal consistency. They don't want to allow anything that would inherently come off as bullshit/inherently illogical,

Sure but I think we differ in opinion on where they would draw the line at inherently illogical.   

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They do stunt casting with former Supermen and Supergirls (and upcoming Wonder Women) as totally different people, because those aren't portrayed as actual alternates of the "Flarrowverse" multiverse.

Partly because the actors have aged out of playing such characters realistically.  BR was soooo young when he originally played Supes that from just an appearance standpoint, it was at least possible to be believable still had they wanted to cast him in that part.

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The one, the only, previous property where there's been ANY implication of an actual direct link is the 1990s Flash TV show (because they apparently showed that Flash in one of the wormhole visions Barry had when universe jumping), but even there I bet if they'd though more about it they wouldn't have done even that, since giving Barry's dad and an alternate version of Barry himself the same exact, if differently aged, face in different universes is still a bit iffy (even if less outrageous than giving an alien and a human the same face).

Again, I just think it is a difference of opinion on what would be considered too outrageous.   In the end it was never an option for many reasons.  But it made for a lot of fun to imagine.    

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1 hour ago, Kromm said:

They do stunt casting with former Supermen and Supergirls (and upcoming Wonder Women) as totally different people, because those aren't portrayed as actual alternates of the "Flarrowverse" multiverse. The one, the only, previous property where there's been ANY implication of an actual direct link is the 1990s Flash TV show (because they apparently showed that Flash in one of the wormhole visions Barry had when universe jumping), but even there I bet if they'd though more about it they wouldn't have done even that, since giving Barry's dad and an alternate version of Barry himself the same exact, if differently aged, face in different universes is still a bit iffy (even if less outrageous than giving an alien and a human the same face). 

Answering in the comics thread.

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