S31.E11: Southern Shame/S31.E12: They All Go Home

[OnceSane]

11.

The housemates face escalating racial tension after a physical fight between Jenna and Ceejai; and Sabrina finally meets her biological mother.

12.

In the Season 31 finale, a racial slur brings Ceejai and Jenna to the brink of physical confrontation; and, as everyone prepares to leave Las Vegas, Dylan makes an unbelievable revelation.

[NikSac]

I'm confused. Didn't they already get to the brink of physical confrontation, and beyond?

Curious what Dylan's revelation will be. I've gotten a "something's not right with that guy" vibe from the beginning.

[RCharter]

Wow....a full on racial slur.....that should be interesting and annoying.

I'm wondering if Dylan has a kid or a fatal STD.....I could see it going either way....except neither of those would be unbelievable.  Perhaps he is a male escort...but again, thats not unbelievable.

[laschifosavita]

I am very glad that MTV agrees that this season is terrible and are trying to get it over with ASAP.

[Watermelon]

It is physically painful for CeeJai not to beat the shit out of Jenna and I get it. God, I get it.  I haven't seen trash like Jenna since whenever  I last saw Puck on my tv.

 

And then looking at this black ass cameraman be responsible for the closeups....maaaan.

 

 

BUT OH! CeeJai ROCKED that bitch lmaooooo! YAAAAAS.  

[Pixel]

I'm just hoping that Jenna gets sent home. I'd love to see her be the first person to get sent home after being the target of a beat down. 

I'm so disgusted by her "Who, me?" act. She sat there and giggled at her friend's comments.  That makes her complicit. 

ETA: Welp. Didn't get my wish. 

Edited May 27, 2016 by Pixel

[bref]

You did! but Ceejai is gone too :(

This was the first episode of this mess I actually caught, having given up on TRW many, many seasons ago. But two things I know to be true: Jenna is a racist twunt and Dylan is a YUUUUUGE douchebag with a stupidly inflated opinion of himself.

Ceejai seemed cool. No impression of the others. I think this is how I will watch all future seasons. 

[Silo]

CJ was super fucking annoying and a bully and had anger issues to boot. Jenna shared racist thoughts, yes, but that doesn't give CJ the right for her (and everyone else) to bully Jenna all season long. I'm glad CJ's ass got sent home. I only wish they had done it earlier, bc besides the Jenna issue, CJ was super obnoxious. 

"I don't believe in violence". Obviously you do, bitch. Lol.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Silo

[Watermelon]

it did my heart good to hear Kailah curse out Jenna's racist friend. When you sit and say nothing while your friend tells a black girl to "pick cotton" you're the worst type of asshole who also hangs with assholes.

Claps for literally nobody caring Jenna had to leave. Major side eye to Dylan creating some "mastermind" storyline for why he was pressed about Jenna. Fool, you liked the blonde racist girl. Everybody knows it. This was not some long extended plan to embarrass her. You liked her and realized you made a terrible decision. Lying about it only makes it worse.

[Racj82]

At the end of the day, they are both wrong.

CeeJai let those feelings and that anger build up in her all season. She could remove herself from the situation since she had to live with her so she kept verbally jabbing the whole season. I totally get where the anger comes from. We all saw it. But, you just can't let the stupidity get under your skin like that. It's almost like dealing with a internet troll. Once you show that what they say or do bothers you, they have won. I totally get wanting to put hands on Jenna but as an adult, you just can't go there. She handled the situation perfectly the first time in terms of just defending herself but she just blew it this time. I don't hate her or anything but she made some bad choice this whole season.

Also, just constantly verbally attacking one is just pointless. If they too ignorant to care, they will stay that way. If they want to learn, attacking them is a sure way to get them to shut down. They would have all been better just blowing her off and continuing with their business.

Jenna is annoying, attention seeking, egotistical, sad excuse for a human being. Just can't stand her and she totally knows how offensive the things she says or her friend says are. She loves that it gets a rise out of people. She has no desire to learn or change so deuces to her.

This is the thing about any reality show when race because a major issue, it just swallows up the entire season. It also becomes so emotionally draining for everyone by the end. As much as I appreciate how real this is and the topics it brings up, it dominated the season and I just wanted end at a certain point.

All that being said, not a terrible season. It surely wasn't one I will forget for the good and the bad.

[laschifosavita]

I am torn between feeling worse for CeeJai that Jenna's friend said something racist to her or that she ended up in a situation that caused her to react violently.  The house had developed a culture where everyone felt very free to say or do anything to Jenna.  Chris even violated his contract with the show to get back at her for the things she was saying.  I think CeeJai is capable of living with someone who has terrible views.  I don't think that Chris, Kailah, and Dione are.  I think she got swept up in the unhealthy dynamic towards the end of her time there, which sucks.  I've criticized CeeJai for being too aware of how she comes across, but I think that actually makes me feel even worse for her.  I don't think she would ever react violently in real life or even yell obscenities at loud drunk girls.

[jumper sage]

When the producer said Jenna had to leave for her FIRST attacking CeeJay - If the producers would have ejected Jenna like they should have then none of the rest would have occurred.  For the producers to sit there day in and day out letting the racism get that bad is just horrible.

I think CeeJay would have a case against the show.  MTV you are not progressive in the least nor do you care about the people in your care.

Ceejay found something within herself and Jenna, of course, did not.

[Racj82]

19 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

When the producer said Jenna had to leave for her FIRST attacking CeeJay - If the producers would have ejected Jenna like they should have then none of the rest would have occurred.  For the producers to sit there day in and day out letting the racism get that bad is just horrible.

I think CeeJay would have a case against the show.  MTV you are not progressive in the least nor do you care about the people in your care.

Ceejay found something within herself and Jenna, of course, did not.

There is no case here. If that were the case, producers would be catching cases left and right. They aren't supposed to interfere unless there is no other option. And these people sign wavers protecting them from all but extreme cases. 

It just popped into my head how sad it is that most heated conversations on the show on the first season and the current season decades later is still race. Some things never change.

[laschifosavita]

To specify, I only actually feel bad for Jenna for the online thing with Chris.  That's just a line that I don't think any cast member should cross for any reason.  My problem with the dynamic around Jenna is that I think that it caused everyone, but especially Dean and CeeJai, pain that could have been avoided.  It left them dealing with the emotional fallout from something that initially began as something silly, like the Jenna/Dylan flirtation or Dione being annoyed by Jenna's personality.

[RCharter]

2 hours ago, Silo said:

CJ was super fucking annoying and a bully and had anger issues to boot. Jenna shared racist thoughts, yes, but that doesn't give CJ the right for her (and everyone else) to bully Jenna all season long. I'm glad CJ's ass got sent home. I only wish they had done it earlier, bc besides the Jenna issue, CJ was super obnoxious. 

"I don't believe in violence". Obviously you do, bitch. Lol.

How did CJ bully anyone?  Jenna herself said that if people choose to get offended by what she says its on them....so if CJ was just saying stuff to her, how is that bullying?  And how is expressing disagreement bullying?

And how does "sharing racist thoughts" become to the byline and not the headline?

I'm still confused by how a lot of people disagreeing with a racist and not wanting to be around a racist is somehow bullying?

I don't believe in violence, but having a bunch of trailer trash rednecks talk and laugh about me "picking cotton" would have my blood boiling too.  CJ is more intelligent, accomplished and educated than Jenna and her idiot friend....for them to try to debase her like that is terrible.

Jenna: I totally blacked out and I don't remember the fight, but I remember someone provoking me....huh?  

If you were black out drunk, how are you remembering anything?  Just goes to show that Jenna's game of blaming everyone else is just a game.

Jenna: I'm not a racist, I just laugh at jokes about hurtful jokes about slavery in front of other black people.

Edited May 27, 2016 by RCharter

[RCharter]

1 hour ago, laschifosavita said:

I am torn between feeling worse for CeeJai that Jenna's friend said something racist to her or that she ended up in a situation that caused her to react violently.  The house had developed a culture where everyone felt very free to say or do anything to Jenna.  Chris even violated his contract with the show to get back at her for the things she was saying.  I think CeeJai is capable of living with someone who has terrible views.  I don't think that Chris, Kailah, and Dione are.  I think she got swept up in the unhealthy dynamic towards the end of her time there, which sucks.  I've criticized CeeJai for being too aware of how she comes across, but I think that actually makes me feel even worse for her.  I don't think she would ever react violently in real life or even yell obscenities at loud drunk girls.

I don't think you should ever even ask someone to live in that house with Jenna.  Jenna should have been ejected the minute she decided to attack CJ.

Everyone has pussyfooted around Jenna the entire season....even after whatever Chris did.

I don't even think anyone has a beating coming their way...but Jenna is a habitual line stepper*

*TM - Chappelle Show Rick James skit

[laschifosavita]

9 minutes ago, RCharter said:

I don't think you should ever even ask someone to live in that house with Jenna.  Jenna should have been ejected the minute she decided to attack CJ.

Everyone has pussyfooted around Jenna the entire season....even after whatever Chris did.

I don't even think anyone has a beating coming their way...but Jenna is a habitual line stepper*

*TM - Chappelle Show Rick James skit

I might be too cynical about the show.  Jenna should have gone home, but I can't say that I'm surprised that she didn't.  There was only like eight days left, and they don't even air all the physical fights that take place on The Challenge.  At this point, it doesn't even occur to me as an option that they would have sent Jenna home, unless there was an injury that they couldn't ignore.

They've given up arguing with her when she reveals her racism or homophobia, but Dione is constantly shown going on about what a bitch she is.  My point was that people in the house that she can't hurt with her views have her on edge and defensive, but CeeJai and Dean end up dealing with the consequences.  There's no changing Jenna or getting rid of her.  The only thing to do is to disengage and establish new boundaries, like what Dean was trying to do.

I cannot agree that people that sign-up for The Real World shouldn't expect to l live with a Jenna.  The Bigot is one of the cast member types that they look for.  They mature occasionally, but I wouldn't bet on it.  In recent years they've gone for the sexist or homophobic version more than the racist, but it is still part of the formula.  It always has been.  I couldn't handle living with someone like that, so I don't go on reality television.

[RCharter]

11 minutes ago, laschifosavita said:

I might be too cynical about the show.  Jenna should have gone home, but I can't say that I'm surprised that she didn't.  There was only like eight days left, and they don't even air all the physical fights that take place on The Challenge.  At this point, it doesn't even occur to me as an option that they would have sent Jenna home, unless there was an injury that they couldn't ignore.

They've given up arguing with her when she reveals her racism or homophobia, but Dione is constantly shown going on about what a bitch she is.  My point was that people in the house that she can't hurt with her views have her on edge and defensive, but CeeJai and Dean end up dealing with the consequences.  There's no changing Jenna or getting rid of her.  The only thing to do is to disengage and establish new boundaries, like what Dean was trying to do.

I cannot agree that people that sign-up for The Real World shouldn't expect to l live with a Jenna.  The Bigot is one of the cast member types that they look for.  They mature occasionally, but I wouldn't bet on it.  In recent years they've gone for the sexist or homophobic version more than the racist, but it is still part of the formula.  It always has been.  I couldn't handle living with someone like that, so I don't go on reality television.

I'll have to take your word for it, I took a long hiatus from the Real World....but it seems to me that if a producer is going to talk about a "zero tolerance" policy, that policy should have been first exercised to send Jenna home when she initiated violence with CJ.  What sense does it make to reward Jenna for being violent, because CJ was capable enough to fend off her attack?

They shouldn't have to argue with her when she is racist or homophobic....this isn't a class and they haven't been hired to teach Jenna anything.  If Dione wants to call her a bitch, he is well within his rights...she is a bitch....and a racist....and homophobic.  Jenna's behavior rests on no one but Jenna.  

They all appeared to have disengaged and were basically ignoring her....but Jenna made it a point to call her friend when everyone was around and loudly talk shit.  And you know that Jenna knows exactly who she called and exactly what she would say.  I can't believe that anyone would honestly think that Jenna didn't know her friend had "nappy headed ho" and "go pick cotton bitch" in her back pocket.  And Jenna sitting there laughing at it, instead of saying "you know what, lemme call you back when they leave" meant she also knew she was pushing everyone even though everyone was ignoring her.  

Jenna just used her friend as a proxy to say all the things she wanted to say, but didn't want to have to take responsibility for.

And isn't that what people got upset with Chris for doing?  For using his friend to say something that he couldn't?

[snarts]

Jenna is ignorant trash.  

My favorite moment was Kailah telling her mom to hold on a minute while she gave a verbal beatdown to Jenna's friend.  Then she goes back to the phone with "Hi, sorry mom" while her mom applauds her for the tirade.  That, there, is a proud mom who knows she raised a strong daughter who speaks her mind and stands up to stupid ass people.

Oh, and Kailah is also from the South.  Hmmm, by Jenna's pea brain, shouldn't see have the same ignorant views?

I felt Ceejai's pain.  She wishes she had used her words rather her fists.  It never feels good to lose your cool and resort to violence.  But, I agree that MTV dropped the ball by not evicting Jenna the first time she ran at Ceejai.  

Damn,Jenna better be careful out there.  It's one thing to be hateful racist in your head, it's another to broadcast your views on national TV.  There are a lot of violent people out there who might use more than fists to prove their point.

I thought that everyone who called/visited the Real World house signed a waiver agreeing to have the voice/likeness used on the show?  So why was Jenna's friend blurred?  IMO, her face should've been shown for all the world to see. If I were the producers, I would've subtitled her image with her full name and city.

[Watermelon]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

Jenna is ignorant trash.  

My favorite moment was Kailah telling her mom to hold on a minute while she gave a verbal beatdown to Jenna's friend.  Then she goes back to the phone with "Hi, sorry mom" while her mom applauds her for the tirade.  That, there, is a proud mom who knows she raised a strong daughter who speaks her mind and stands up to stupid ass people.

Oh, and Kailah is also from the South.  Hmmm, by Jenna's pea brain, shouldn't see have the same ignorant views?

I felt Ceejai's pain.  She wishes she had used her words rather her fists.  It never feels good to lose your cool and resort to violence.  But, I agree that MTV dropped the ball by not evicting Jenna the first time she ran at Ceejai.  

Damn,Jenna better be careful out there.  It's one thing to be hateful racist in your head, it's another to broadcast your views on national TV.  There are a lot of violent people out there who might use more than fists to prove their point.

I thought that everyone who called/visited the Real World house signed a waiver agreeing to have the voice/likeness used on the show?  So why was Jenna's friend blurred?  IMO, her face should've been shown for all the world to see. If I were the producers, I would've subtitled her image with her full name and city.

About that. Chris is still dropping dime on Jenna via social media. Done retweeted a photo of Jenna and her friend and said, "I think she owes CeeJai an apology, with her twitter handle there, plus her full name :). 

[shelley1234]

1 hour ago, Watermelon said:

About that. Chris is still dropping dime on Jenna via social media. Done retweeted a photo of Jenna and her friend and said, "I think she owes CeeJai an apology, with her twitter handle there, plus her full name :). 

Good.  He is out of the house now and can post anything he wants.....and if you wanna say those hateful racists things on tv...I think that people should know who you are.  That was some hateful bullshit right there.  

[LoneHaranguer]

3 hours ago, snarts said:

I felt Ceejai's pain.  She wishes she had used her words rather her fists.  It never feels good to lose your cool and resort to violence.  But, I agree that MTV dropped the ball by not evicting Jenna the first time she ran at Ceejai.

This is the kind of show that wants physical altercations, but there's a line. Jenna hadn't crossed it. Ceejai did this week. If the producers could have been honest, they wouldn't have evicted Jenna this week either, but they couldn't, so they retroactively pulled out their "zero tolerance" BS and sent both packing. Next time maybe they can fill their "trashy black women" spot in the cast with someone who'll stop with acceptable violence, like hair-pulling.

[shelley1234]

57 minutes ago, LoneHaranguer said:

This is the kind of show that wants physical altercations, but there's a line. Jenna hadn't crossed it. Ceejai did this week. If the producers could have been honest, they wouldn't have evicted Jenna this week either, but they couldn't, so they retroactively pulled out their "zero tolerance" BS and sent both packing. Next time maybe they can fill their "trashy black women" spot in the cast with someone who'll stop with acceptable violence, like hair-pulling.

Except Ceejai isn't a trashy black woman.

Maybe next season they can fill their Southern White Racist trash with someone who doesn't put their hands on people and say on the phone how they are going to shoot someone or beat their ass.  

[liqidclark]

Ugh, Jenna was an obvious troll in the first episode. And she got her spectacular fight scene, a fame-zombie's dream come true. She ruined the whole season, and is probably proud of herself. How sad that the show's producers enabled her that way. (Isn't she the type they usually throw on their Troll Girls Club show, anyway?)

I don't think we got to know most of the cast (because of the troll). Who is Dean? He seemed interesting, but all I remember is his divorce. All I remember about Sabrina is her adoption. I don't know anything about what's-her-mug with the dark hair, but I guess she and Dione were just comic relief, anyway. Forgot Chris existed after his rogue journalism episode. So many characters who seemed like they were barely introduced over the course of the entire season -- but I guess they'll be back for The Challenge, so there's that.

Ceejai is a hero. Her story and how she grew from tragedy is undeniably amazing. Her openmindedness and patience on this show was admirable. I think she handled production's pet troll as well as humanly possible. I cheered that a villain was defeated on a reality show, for once, and I hope to see more cast members like Ceejai in future shows (before the entire genre is completely overrun by dime-a-dozen psychopaths).

[Jenkins]

"Maybe next season they can fill their Southern White Racist trash with someone who doesn't put their hands on people and say on the phone how they are going to shoot someone or beat their ass."

Yeah, that little comment got lost because of all that happened after. Jenna knew EXACTLY what she was saying when she said she was going to "shoot" someone.

It takes a REALLY low person to go THERE with someone that has been through what Ceejai has been through.

I am much too old to condone violence, but some people just need an ass whooping occasionally. No, it won't change any of Jennas views, in fact, I am sure it made them worse. But you continuously poke a bear, at some point, that bear is going to "poke" back.

It did solve one thing in Jennas mind. I am sure she no longer thinks she can beat Ceejais ass. Ceejai knows how to throw a proper punch...

Completely agree Liqidclark. I was actually thinking that during the last part of the second show last night. I know NOTHING of these people. It used to be by the time the season was over, you felt like you KNEW these people. But the whole damn season was based on Jenna. Every damn episode.

MTV knew what they were doing keeping Jenna after she initiated physical contact with Ceejai. And if they truly had a zero tolerance policy, Jenna would have went home. But they kept her around because they knew it would boil over again and they would get that "money" episode they got last night (going to guess that episode was the highest rated?).

[Hiacios]

This whole season sucked and 99.9 percent of the people on this show where detestable and very ignorant. I laughed at Ceejai and the rest of her crews self righteous stupidity, and I'm glad that Jenna called Ceejai retched because that is what she is, a retched victim baiting b#tch who is so damn annoying and ugly.

[Craphole Island]

Man Jenna is disgusting l. I felt terrible for CeeJai that she was pushed to that limit.

 

I agree with the poster who said the best part was Kailah calling out Jenna's friend then getting on the phone with her mom. And how proud her mom was! Good for her sticking up to that asshole. It bums me out that apparently she and Jenna are close now and she and CeeJai are not.

 

Which brings me to CeeJai. I really really like her and especially respect her patience with Jenna but I do think she's a bit of a follower when it comes to Dione etc. She talks mad trash about Kailah all over Twitter (probably at least partially bc Kailah and Jenna have been hanging out) and I don't know I do think she likes to play both sides.

[Pixel]

Wait, how do we know Kailah is now friends with Jenna?

[Decider]

I wanted to reach through the screen and punch Jenna in the face my damn self.  I don't condone CeeJai hitting her but I would be a liar if I said that I wouldn't have reacted in the same way after having to put up with Jenna's fuckery for so long.  CeeJai at least showed some remorse for doing what she did while Jenna kept going on and on about how she was wronged and didn't even try to acknowledge how she may have contributed to the whole situation.  Go put on some open toed shoes and kick every single rock you see, Jenna.

[Craphole Island]

I saw it in vevmo (a reliable website for this show) and it's all on Twitter apparently. I guess Jenna visited Kailah in Florida and may move there. I listened to a podcast with Kailah where she basically says she reflected on her time in the house and she wishes she could do some things differently like not bully Jenna so much and so she has been working things through with Jenna even though she doesn't agree with everything she says. She said because of this Chris has gone all over talking smack about Kailah, as has CeeJai.

 

Apparently during one of the aftershows, Kailah was on stage and CeeJai was out back saying she was gonna kick her ass. Jenna and Chrus confirmed it and when Kailah asked a producer they didn't deny it. Soon later CeeJai asked if she could eat with Kailah and Sabrina not knowing that Kailah knew what she said. It just comes off as fake. I know Kailah could be annoying but it sounds like entire cast turned against her just bc she is trying to make amends with Jenna for herself. And because they're friends with Dione and that Amanda chick.

 

i don't even know why I care.

Edited May 28, 2016 by Craphole Island
Because vevmo does not = venmo

[LoneHaranguer]

2 hours ago, shelley1005 said:

Except Ceejai isn't a trashy black woman.

Close enough to tell what casting was going for. Jenna probably fell short of what they'd hoped also, but it's even tougher to cast that stereotype these days.

[Craphole Island]

Is "trashy black woman" even a stereotype they cast?

 

These are the last 5 black women to be cast:

 

CeeJai

Arielle

Nia

Latoya

Alexandra

 

With the glaring exception of Nia, none of them are trashy. And Nia is her own special brand of psycho. Plus she was brought in as a replacement to shake things up.

 

I could certainly see the argument that they cast trashy people, but not specifically a "trashy black woman" stereotype. If anything they seem to cast black women as the "voice of reason" which is probably a separate issue tbh.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Craphole Island

[Hiacios]

This is a video I found that reminded me of Ceejai and here victim mentality. 

[RCharter]

4 hours ago, LoneHaranguer said:

This is the kind of show that wants physical altercations, but there's a line. Jenna hadn't crossed it. Ceejai did this week. If the producers could have been honest, they wouldn't have evicted Jenna this week either, but they couldn't, so they retroactively pulled out their "zero tolerance" BS and sent both packing. Next time maybe they can fill their "trashy black women" spot in the cast with someone who'll stop with acceptable violence, like hair-pulling.

lol @ Jenna hasn't crossed a line when Jenna ran up and pushed CJ and was only stopped from doing more because CJ is able to handle herself.

If physical violence is the line, Jenna crossed it way before CJ ever even approached it.  They should have evicted Jenna last week, because legally and realistically, putting your hands on someone the way Jenna did is considered an assault....not an acceptable line that hadn't been crossed.

13 minutes ago, Hiacios said:

This is a video I found that reminded me of Ceejai and here victim mentality. 

 

I have no idea what "victim mentality" you're talking about.  CJ said over and over and over again that her actions towards Jenna were her fault.  

On the other hand Jenna consistently refused to take any blame and maintained that it wasn't her fault because she was "blackout drunk."  Which falls in line with her not taking responsibility for any of her actions....either it was her friend and not her, it was CJs fault that she let a man dance on her, it was Dylans fault that she kissed him, its the fault of her upbringing when she says racist and homophobic things, its everyone else's fault for being offended instead of her fault for saying offensive crap.

The only one with a victim mentality is Jenna

[RCharter]

1 hour ago, LoneHaranguer said:

Close enough to tell what casting was going for. Jenna probably fell short of what they'd hoped also, but it's even tougher to cast that stereotype these days.

She is in college with an eye towards law school.  She kept her mouth shut 95% of the time with Jenna.  She constantly gave Jenna second chances, which Jenna responded to by saying more racist and homophobic shit.  Everyone else in the house liked her.

I don't even see "trashy" as what they were going for...unless you're going to say it was "trashy" for her to be from a particular neighborhood.  But, thats not how I judge people.

[Hiacios]

8 minutes ago, RCharter said:

lol @ Jenna hasn't crossed a line when Jenna ran up and pushed CJ and was only stopped from doing more because CJ is able to handle herself.

If physical violence is the line, Jenna crossed it way before CJ ever even approached it.  They should have evicted Jenna last week, because legally and realistically, putting your hands on someone the way Jenna did is considered an assault....not an acceptable line that hadn't been crossed.

I have no idea what "victim mentality" you're talking about.  CJ said over and over and over again that her actions towards Jenna were her fault.  

On the other hand Jenna consistently refused to take any blame and maintained that it wasn't her fault because she was "blackout drunk."  Which falls in line with her not taking responsibility for any of her actions....either it was her friend and not her, it was CJs fault that she let a man dance on her, it was Dylans fault that she kissed him, its the fault of her upbringing when she says racist and homophobic things, its everyone else's fault for being offended instead of her fault for saying offensive crap.

The only one with a victim mentality is Jenna

Oh, little Jenna pushing big ass Ceejai is assault? LMAO! Both the attacks that Ceejai did on Jenna is really assaulting someone. 

Edited May 27, 2016 by Hiacios

[RCharter]

1 minute ago, Hiacios said:

Oh, little Jenna pushing big ass Ceejai is assault. LMAO! Both the attacks that Ceejai did on Jenna is real assault. 

Yes, actually what Jenna did IS assault.  Something doesn't stop being an assault because you're little and mentally deficient.

I have no idea where you're getting an idea of "real assault" but it is not the legal definition.  What Jenna did was an assault....legally and realistically.

Jenna attacked CJ first.  You don't just get to attack people because they can defend themselves....thats not how it works.

Edited May 27, 2016 by RCharter

[RCharter]

3 hours ago, Liqidclark said:

Ugh, Jenna was an obvious troll in the first episode. And she got her spectacular fight scene, a fame-zombie's dream come true. She ruined the whole season, and is probably proud of herself. How sad that the show's producers enabled her that way. (Isn't she the type they usually throw on their Troll Girls Club show, anyway?)

I don't think we got to know most of the cast (because of the troll). Who is Dean? He seemed interesting, but all I remember is his divorce. All I remember about Sabrina is her adoption. I don't know anything about what's-her-mug with the dark hair, but I guess she and Dione were just comic relief, anyway. Forgot Chris existed after his rogue journalism episode. So many characters who seemed like they were barely introduced over the course of the entire season -- but I guess they'll be back for The Challenge, so there's that.

Ceejai is a hero. Her story and how she grew from tragedy is undeniably amazing. Her openmindedness and patience on this show was admirable. I think she handled production's pet troll as well as humanly possible. I cheered that a villain was defeated on a reality show, for once, and I hope to see more cast members like Ceejai in future shows (before the entire genre is completely overrun by dime-a-dozen psychopaths).

I wish Jenna would go on the Bad Girls Club and talk that mess.  I really wish she would, because that would be something to watch.  Not a single one would have the patience with her that CJ had.  There would be no "trying to help her" and "trying to teach her."  They would just make her life hell, with an eye to getting her out of the house.  They would pack her clothes, put her mattress in a pool, throw her makeup in the toilet.  

And they would probably never have to use violence, because they would deal with someone like Jenna immediately and not try to be so nice and understanding like everyone in the RW house.  She wouldn't push them to their limit because they would show their distaste and get her out within a matter of days.

[shelley1234]

56 minutes ago, RCharter said:

Yes, actually what Jenna did IS assault.  Something doesn't stop being an assault because you're little and mentally deficient.

I have no idea where you're getting an idea of "real assault" but it is not the legal definition.  What Jenna did was an assault....legally and realistically.

Jenna attacked CJ first.  You don't just get to attack people because they can defend themselves....thats not how it works.

Real assault is of course hitting someone while being black.  

[RCharter]

1 minute ago, shelley1005 said:

Real assault is of course hitting someone while being black.  

Or even being black while defending yourself from physical violence.

I guess CJ was supposed to allow Jenna to push her, hit her, and beat her without lifting a finger.....because.....

1 hour ago, Hiacios said:

  Both the attacks that Ceejai did on Jenna is really assaulting someone. 

[Pixel]

2 hours ago, Craphole Island said:

I saw it in venmo (a reliable website for this show) and it's all on Twitter apparently. I guess Jenna visited Kailah in Florida and may move there. I listened to a podcast with Kailah where she basically says she reflected on her time in the house and she wishes she could do some things differently like not bully Jenna so much and so she has been working things through with Jenna even though she doesn't agree with everything she says. She said because of this Chris has gone all over talking smack about Kailah, as has CeeJai.

 

Apparently during one of the aftershows, Kailah was on stage and CeeJai was out back saying she was gonna kick her ass. Jenna and Chrus confirmed it and when Kailah asked a producer they didn't deny it. Soon later CeeJai asked if she could eat with Kailah and Sabrina not knowing that Kailah knew what she said. It just comes off as fake. I know Kailah could be annoying but it sounds like entire cast turned against her just bc she is trying to make amends with Jenna for herself. And because they're friends with Dione and that Amanda chick.

 

i don't even know why I care.

Ah - that explains why they've all been so shitty to Kailah. Thanks.

[Hiacios]

34 minutes ago, Sonoma said:

So by your logic, if someone shoots at me and I was able to duck and avoid getting hit by the bullet, it's not considered an act of violence because I didn't get hit by the bullet, didn't bleed, didn't die.  It's all good!  No need to arrest that person, right?  But if I shoot at that person a couple of days later and they weren't able to duck like I was able to and they get hit by the bullet, I should be arrested only because I actually hit my mark.  Alrighty then!

Jenna ATTACKED Ceejai, and had CeeJai been caught off guard Jenna would have tackled her and probably hurt her.  Ceejai's mistake, aside from not voting Jenna off when they had the chance, was not allowing Jenna to mow her down that night, thereby sending her ass home.  But that may have been worse-- Jenna crowing on social media how the poor little misunderstood victim of bullying stood up for herself against the racist ratched colored girl and got sent home as a result!  Now that I think about it, Ceejai was in a lose-lose situation with that idiot no matter what. 

My logic and common sense tells me that Jenna was drunk and Ceejai with her big mouth kept talking shit to her (like Ceejai always does) and butting into Jenna's conversation again and again, then Jenna goes over and drunkenly shoves her and then Ceejai violently throws Jenna to the ground and puts her hand around her throat. Ceejai latter goes up to Jenna and blatantly assaults her,  afterword everybody else tries to justify Ceejai's neanderthalic behavior (keep in mind that them and Ceejai claim that they "do not condone violence". LMAO.)  like the complete and utter idiots they are. Ceejai's talk about being non violent is a load of bullshit!!!! #nailedit

Edited May 27, 2016 by Hiacios

[LoneHaranguer]

1 hour ago, RCharter said:

Yes, actually what Jenna did IS assault.

But what matters on reality shows is results. Did they have to send the victim out for medical treatment? Is there obvious physical evidence like bandages or a black eye? Keep the violence low-key enough and the producers may have to decide if it's even worth putting on screen.

[Soobs]

Jenna sitting on the phone fake giggling it up while her friend popped off with cartoonishly racist insults was as trolly as it gets. Of course Ceejay was wrong to attack her and she genuinely seemed to regret it, unlike Jenna who kept saying, "it was ma friend". But, you can only push people so far. Ceejay hit her limit. They both will have to live with the consequences of publicly acting out.

Jenna's bigotry totally ruined the season. You could tell the roommates were over living with her weeks ago.They cast controversial types for ratings but it seems like it's having the opposite effect. It was interesting that many of the roommates said  they wouldn't do the show again.

[shelley1234]

6 minutes ago, LoneHaranguer said:

But what matters on reality shows is results. Did they have to send the victim out for medical treatment? Is there obvious physical evidence like bandages or a black eye? Keep the violence low-key enough and the producers may have to decide if it's even worth putting on screen.

That doesn't change what the physical and legal definition of assault.  In terms of the actual definition...what Jenna did was absolutely assault.  Just because the girl who mentions over and over again how much she wants to beat people's asses proves to be very poor at it...doesn't change the fact that she still initiated it.  

[RCharter]

Just now, LoneHaranguer said:

But what matters on reality shows is results. Did they have to send the victim out for medical treatment? Is there obvious physical evidence like bandages or a black eye? Keep the violence low-key enough and the producers may have to decide if it's even worth putting on screen.

Jenna wasn't sent out for medical treatment either.  Either violence matters, or it doesn't matter.  Jenna was violent first.  

You can't say you have a zero tolerance policy, but tolerate Jenna's violence.

There is no difference between what Jenna did and what CJ did.  The only difference is that one of them is a much more capable fighter, and one is a weak ass who got handled the minute she tried something.  And had CJ not been able to handle Jenna, Jenna would have done more.  In fact, after CJ put her down, Jenna was still kicking at her.  Both of them started something physical.

I also have an issue with anyone, reality show or otherwise, saying that violence only matters when there is some physical evidence of violence.  This is the same sort of logic used by men who hit women in the stomach and not the face.  The "as long as there is no bruising its okay" defense has never been acceptable to me as a person.  

[announcergirl]

28 minutes ago, Hiacios said:

My logic and common sense tells me that Jenna was drunk and Ceejai with her big mouth kept talking shit to her (like Ceejai always does) and butting into Jenna's conversation again and again, then Jenna goes over and drunkenly shoves her and then Ceejai violently throws Jenna to the ground and puts her hand around her throat. Ceejai latter goes up to Jenna and blatantly assaults her,  afterword everybody else tries to justify Ceejai's neanderthalic behavior (keep in mind that them and Ceejai claim that they "do not condone violence". LMAO.)  like the complete and utter idiots they are. Ceejai's talk about being non violent is a load of bullshit!!!! #nailedit

Just say what you really feel.

[RCharter]

24 minutes ago, Hiacios said:

My logic and common sense tells me that Jenna was drunk and Ceejai with her big mouth kept talking shit to her (like Ceejai always does) and butting into Jenna's conversation again and again, then Jenna goes over and drunkenly shoves her and then Ceejai violently throws Jenna to the ground and puts her hand around her throat. Ceejai latter goes up to Jenna and blatantly assaults her,  afterword everybody else tries to justify Ceejai's neanderthalic behavior (keep in mind that them and Ceejai claim that they "do not condone violence". LMAO.)  like the complete and utter idiots they are. Ceejai's talk about being non violent is a load of bullshit!!!! #nailedit

First - CJ was drunk as well, so I guess since drunkenness forgives things....CJ should be forgiven for whatever she said to Jenna

Second -- CJ didn't violently throw Jenna to the ground, if CJ wanted to be violent she could have easily beat Jenna to a pulp....just like CJ did when she actually WAS violent with Jenna.  

Third -- Jenna went up to CJ and blatantly assaulted her too, and what Jenna did was FAR worse than anything CJ said.

Fourth -- everyone was telling Jenna to shut up when she was talking to Dylan, not just CJ, but she didn't go after Dione.  So, I guess she wasn't so blackout drunk that she couldn't determine that it was easier for her to pick on CJ than to pick on Dione.

Fifth -- if Jenna didn't want people commenting on her "romance" she shouldn't have done it in front of everyone in the house, in a public area.  

Sixth -- What people were saying is that if Jenna had been rightfully removed for being physically violent, CJ would have remained in the house.  That is a valid and true point

Seventh -- The comments that Jenna was laughing at were way worse than what CJ has ever said to Jenna..."swerve bitch" is not the same as what was said to CJ

Eighth -- Jenna was using her friend as a proxy to say what she wanted to say.  This is clearly the case, because you can't tell me that Jenna doesn't know her friend is racist.  And she made sure to call her racist friend and loudly talk shit about what a badass she is in front of CJ and the entire house.  She knew what her friend was going to say, and Jenna had been trying to pick a fight since the day before when she told CJ to come over there and hit her in the face.  Well Jenna....be careful what you wish for.

[shelley1234]

Ceejai's neanderthalic behavior??

Jeepers.  Couldn't be more racist if they tried....

[announcergirl]

36 minutes ago, RCharter said:

First - CJ was drunk as well, so I guess since drunkenness forgives things....CJ should be forgiven for whatever she said to Jenna

Second -- CJ didn't violently throw Jenna to the ground, if CJ wanted to be violent she could have easily beat Jenna to a pulp....just like CJ did when she actually WAS violent with Jenna.  

Third -- Jenna went up to CJ and blatantly assaulted her too, and what Jenna did was FAR worse than anything CJ said.

Fourth -- everyone was telling Jenna to shut up when she was talking to Dylan, not just CJ, but she didn't go after Dione.  So, I guess she wasn't so blackout drunk that she couldn't determine that it was easier for her to pick on CJ than to pick on Dione.

Fifth -- if Jenna didn't want people commenting on her "romance" she shouldn't have done it in front of everyone in the house, in a public area.  

Sixth -- What people were saying is that if Jenna had been rightfully removed for being physically violent, CJ would have remained in the house.  That is a valid and true point

Seventh -- The comments that Jenna was laughing at were way worse than what CJ has ever said to Jenna..."swerve bitch" is not the same as what was said to CJ

Eighth -- Jenna was using her friend as a proxy to say what she wanted to say.  This is clearly the case, because you can't tell me that Jenna doesn't know her friend is racist.  And she made sure to call her racist friend and loudly talk shit about what a badass she is in front of CJ and the entire house.  She knew what her friend was going to say, and Jenna had been trying to pick a fight since the day before when she told CJ to come over there and hit her in the face.  Well Jenna....be careful what you wish for.

^^^^This all day, everyday. Jenna was the aggressor and simply, bit off more than she could chew. Her friend was her proxy because drunk or not, she knew better than to let those words- though she agrees- come from her mouth. 

Edited May 27, 2016 by announcergirl
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