S06.E22: Reunion Part 2

[BlackMamba]

3 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

 

LR needs to go - and please don't give her a chance to have her own BBQ.   I'm tired of "own it", "that was then this is now", her constant agreement with anybody, over anything - and please spare us another season of those eyes looking so concerned, the tilt of the head, the knowing nod, usually followed by complete BS spewing which is contrary to what she's said in her TH, or to Eileen, all season.  Enough.  

 

You caught that too how everytime Eileen said something,  she would agree with everything she said.   It was like parrot on Eileen's shoulder. 

[This2getsold]

I'm still pissed this website was down on Tuesday evening. 

SOMEBODY owes ME an apology! At least one, maybe three or four. Yeah, that's a good start. (Won't even mention how great the site looks or thank anyone for making it better.) Cause we all know somebody owes me an apology!  

Never fear, you'll hear about how the apology wasn't done correctly. There was no sincerity behind it. I'm sure I'll have my panties in a wad for several months over it.      

[Yours Truly]

2 hours ago, ryebread said:

So are you saying she manipulated those women into doing that?  Or did they do it on their own volition?  Because it's been said many times around here (usually in reference to LVP) that no one is really a manipulator because you can't force someone to do something against their will. Which I disagree with somewhat. 

For whatever reason the 'ladies' came to her side, yeah, Yo got what she wanted.  But I also think she got what she deserved which were some apologies.  I began to think a little bit better of a couple of them for doing it.  But there's still the shred of doubt that they only did it because they know that to not have done so would have looked cold.

I agree. I mean when all is said and done why all the harshness anyway? I still can't wrap my head around the world changing "lies" Yolanda has spewed that ruined these women's lives. It's mind boggling how being annoying turns into the most unforgivable crime on earth. These woman were gossiping about her. Even in the most simplistic terms most people don't like it when they find out that people are gossiping about them. I mean there is reality show discussion and then there is GOSSIP. One can participate in the expectations of a reality show format without resorting to nasty or at the very least suspect gossiping. And if you do then it is completely natural to find yourselves on the other end of someone's hurt feelings and attitude. End of story.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Yours Truly

[becauseIsaidso]

I was so completely and totally disgusted with this installment that I will not be watching part 3, unless as a rerun, and then only because stuff I read on this board gives me hope that there was something worth seeing/hearing.

Truly vomit-inducing moments: the total ass-kissing of yolanda, the total ass-kissing of kimmie, yolanda's disgusting smug self righteousness, kimmie's continued denial of any wrongdoing and her failure to  acknowledge any bad behavior or need to apologize to anyone for anything, lipsa's behavior across the board (and this really was hard to acknowledge as I liked her SO much when she was on Days),pretty much everything eileen (whom I really disliked on Days and was ambivalent about on Y&R).

I pretty much know what to expect from both LisaV and Kyle, so nothing either of them did or said bothered all that much (still don't like kyle, still do like LVP - which is not to say one is bad and the other is good; it is simply how I feel about them).

And....most important of all...andy cohen totally and completely SUCKS as moderator/emcee/whatever the fvk he is supposed to be. The only good thing I can say about him is that at least he consistently sucks across the board for all HW reunion shows. "Damned by faint praise" and all.

[Wings]

On 4/27/2016 at 7:53 AM, Neeners said:

The main thing sticking with me after watching that drama is Lisa Rinna talking about how next year the BBQ would be at her house. Does that mean she already knows she's coming back? I saw LVP give Andy a look...

ETA: I just saw this on Andy's Twitter:

 

Rinna is here to stay along with Eileen, Yo and Erika.  In the Media thread Andy responded, in an article, to a rumor that Kyle would not be back.  He said she was his favorite HW and not going anywhere.  He doesn't think production will ask Kathryn back because she is not a good fit. 

Edited April 28, 2016 by wings707

[BigMamaThorton]

Quote

He doesn't think production will ask Kathryn back because she is not a good fit. 

Which is "production speak" for One in possession of any single, or combination thereof, the following unfortunate character flaws; class, maturity, empathy and discretion. 

Girl, run.

[Wings]

23 minutes ago, BigMamaThorton said:

Which is "production speak" for One in possession of any single, or combination thereof, the following unfortunate character flaws; class, maturity, empathy and discretion. 

Girl, run.

Of course.  Anyone who hides behind a pillow when they sense friction is not going to see another season! 

Edited April 28, 2016 by wings707

[zoeysmom]

20 minutes ago, becauseIsaidso said:

For some reason the system keeps popping up your post.  Sorry I can't get rid of it.

24 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I agree. I mean when all is said and done why all the harshness anyway? I still can't wrap my head around the world changing "lies" Yolanda has spewed that ruined these women's lives. It's mind boggling how being annoying turns into the most unforgivable crime on earth. These woman were gossiping about her. Even in the most simplistic terms most people don't like it when they find out that people are gossiping about them. I mean there is reality show discussion and then there is GOSSIP. One can participate in the expectations of a reality show format without resorting to nasty or at the very least suspect gossiping. And if you do then it is completely natural to find yourselves on the other end of someone's hurt feelings and attitude. End of story.

No one has ever said that Yolanda lies have ruined the others' lives.  No one has ever claimed anything of the kind and to postulate such a preposterous claim takes away from the fact Yolanda lies.   The women, at Yolanda's behest, included Yolanda in their conversations, the fact Yolanda cannot keep a story straight, manipulates facts and bastardizes accepted medical practice is not the fault of the others.  Here is a quote from Ronnie K., of Trash Talk TV;

       Just to clarify for the nine thousandth time. (sic) Yolanda Foster was NEVER diagnosed with Lyme disease and hasn't been bitten by a tick.  She said so herself on Dr. O.  She was "diagnosed" with Chronic Lyme, which is not the same thing.  There is only recently a "test" for that disease (which is not recognized by the AMA) and you have to pay a hefty fee to a quack organization to get said "test".  Not doubting that people have real illnesses that are put under this umbrella of Chronic Lyme because doctors can't cure those diseases.  Just doubting this chronically ill lying idiot. (emphasis added)

So the women were chastised heavily for not studying Yolanda's illness and all the while Yolanda was putting out a boatload of horse manure and even involved her children and at one point suggested Kyle had Lyme Disease.  Yolanda taking in second hand "gossip" twisting and distorting it and then saying, "it doesn't matter who said it, it is what was said." Huh? Of course Yolanda can say anything she wants because out there is a doctor to back her crap up.  Rinna's although misplaced talk of Munchausen's was no less hurtful than Yolanda and her bi-polar reference, or jumping on LVP and Kyle for correcting Yolanda's misstatements. . 

I also liked this quote from Ronnie K.:  "Oh Yo you have been hospitalized five times for exhaustion in your life and still can't find a cure.  Have you considered caffeine?  I found Rinna's behavior far more disturbing throughout the season and especially at the Reunion with her start over crap , than all the other women's comments combined and yet Yolanda chooses to lump them all together.

 

     

 

 

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[lunastartron]

The premise that Yolanda merits no opprobrium or aggressive criticism because she may (or may not; I have a difficult time sympathizing with a determination to disregard documented medicine and, you know, reality so intense that it apparently constitutes a highly specific, single-issue variety of dissociation and/or psychosis) genuinely believe the misinformation that has been championing is confounding to me. Like, for instance, I'm sure that, for example, on the spectrum of racism still alive and well in the world today, a not insignificant number of bigots truly think that Mexicans/blacks/whatever are more dangerous than white people. Does the premise that authentic faith justifies a demonstrably baseless idea encompass only medical insanity, or does it also include prejudice and animus motivated by viscerally held ideologies?

Because Yolanda is not just applying her frightening misconceptions to herself; she's actively campaigning for and promoting them across an array of personal and professional media apparatuses. Just to provide a refresher on what those misrepresentations include:

* the notion that Lyme is viral. It's not. As a bacterial infection, it's actually the opposite and the insistence of Dr. Klinghardt and his acolytes to the contrary is a bizarre precipitate of a collective and incomprehensible effort to conflate Lyme with HIV.

* the suggestion that Lyme is "a silent killer" more prevalent that AIDS in the '80s, when no effective treatments had yet been devised to combat the most lethal epidemic of contemporary times. You know, the virus that would have subsumed Africa during the aughties had it not been for the concerted intervention of the W administration and non-profit initiatives.

* championing non-FDA-approved immunotherapy for minors.

This last point is germane to the disturbing contention that availing oneself of treatments indiscriminately/without the guidance of a reliable medical care provider will "get something right." Certain immunotherapies become less effective over time and/or if an entire course of treatment is not completed. God forbid that Anwar or Bella is ever exposed to HIV or develops an acknowledged medical condition that requires immunotherapy and it doesn't succeed because they've been improperly dosed during this "chronic Lyme" free-for-all. Or that Bella becomes cirrhotic/faces kidney failure because she's been downing 20 pills and supplements a day at lunch alone since she was a teenager.

As I mentioned above, I have no idea what is motivating Yolanda's scary tour of intentional or inadvertent misrepresentation and deception. But, to invoke a more relevant analogy than that of bigotry, if an AIDS denier honestly subscribes to their misguided (to say the least) philosophies, where does the acceptableness of shock and horror begin if earnestness qualifies destructive ramifications? At the point where they exhort others to discontinue treatment; at the point where they have unprotected sex (since, in this formulation, they believe that there's zero risk for infection)?

In the context of the show, Yolanda introduced the insanity enumerated above as well as bald and numerous inconsistencies into her public narrative of disease. Those are subject to deconstruction, dissection, and disagreement, in my opinion. It is unfortunate that Rinna attacked those inconsistencies and prevarications in such a sensationalistic and inarticulate fashion - but it's also a shame that Kyle and Lisa - who expressly rejected the possibility of Munchausen - or anyone, really, didn't address the dangerous and misleading nature of Yolanda's health "facts."

Yolanda won this season game, set, and match with the cooing supplication of the entire cast at the reunion. And that's nothing less than chilling.

5 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

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Edited April 28, 2016 by lunastartron

[Yours Truly]

13 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

x

The energy spent on Yolanda's offenses by these women is just mesmerizing is all. With all the analyzing it's easy to lose sight of the fact that a lot of it is of little consequence. Yolanda's display of her illness was annoying and at times farfetched, the woman reacted as such, Yolanda called them out on it and they couldn't just be like, yeah, well and.... ? It's was a very elementary equation that has been blown waaaaaayyyyyy out of proportion and has become quite comical to me. The gathering around Yolanda even more so.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Yours Truly

[allboys]

I can not stand Lisa Rinna!  If you have to keep apologizing for stuff you said or did, maybe you're a shitty person.  She had to jump in and pretend that she cares about Kim and the minute they bring up accountability she throws "she took a drink, that's what she does". 

[Juneau Gal]

13 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

x

Thank you for the quote from Ronnie K. I have been screaming that Yo does not have Lyme since the season started and have been dumbfounded with the Wives constantly expressing " We don't doubt Yo has Lymes." Well I do! Lymes has NOT been documented in the area in which she lives and claims to have contracted the disease. Why doesn't anyone confront her with this fact?! 

[Wings]

7 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

Thank you for the quote from Ronnie K. I have been screaming that Yo does not have Lyme since the season started and have been dumbfounded with the Wives constantly expressing " We don't doubt Yo has Lymes." Well I do! Lymes has NOT been documented in the area in which she lives and claims to have contracted the disease. Why doesn't anyone confront her with this fact?! 

 

Rinna would have been the one to confront her but M was not the way to go.  No one else will touch it.  What about Mohammed, David or others in her life?  I don't think anyone wants anything to do with her. 

Edited April 28, 2016 by wings707

[Vicky8675309]

19 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

No one has ever said that Yolanda lies have ruined the others' lives.  No one has ever claimed anything of the kind and to postulate such a preposterous claim takes away from the fact Yolanda lies.   The women, at Yolanda's behest, included Yolanda in their conversations, the fact Yolanda cannot keep a story straight, manipulates facts and bastardizes accepted medical practice is not the fault of the others.  Here is a quote from Ronnie K., of Trash Talk TV;

       Just to clarify for the nine thousandth time. (sic) Yolanda Foster was NEVER diagnosed with Lyme disease and hasn't been bitten by a tick.  She said so herself on Dr. O.  She was "diagnosed" with Chronic Lyme, which is not the same thing.  There is only recently a "test" for that disease (which is not recognized by the AMA) and you have to pay a hefty fee to a quack organization to get said "test".  Not doubting that people have real illnesses that are put under this umbrella of Chronic Lyme because doctors can't cure those diseases.  Just doubting this chronically ill lying idiot. (emphasis added)

So the women were chastised heavily for not studying Yolanda's illness and all the while Yolanda was putting out a boatload of horse manure and even involved her children and at one point suggested Kyle had Lyme Disease.  Yolanda taking in second hand "gossip" twisting and distorting it and then saying, "it doesn't matter who said it, it is what was said." Huh? Of course Yolanda can say anything she wants because out there is a doctor to back her crap up.  Rinna's although misplaced talk of Munchausen's was no less hurtful than Yolanda and her bi-polar reference, or jumping on LVP and Kyle for correcting Yolanda's misstatements. . 

I also liked this quote from Ronnie K.:  "Oh Yo you have been hospitalized five times for exhaustion in your life and still can't find a cure.  Have you considered caffeine?  I found Rinna's behavior far more disturbing throughout the season and especially at the Reunion with her start over crap , than all the other women's comments combined and yet Yolanda chooses to lump them all together.

Always with the rational and factual posts to address the hyperbole! Perfect quotes from Ronnie K;-)

12 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

The premise that Yolanda merits no opprobrium or aggressive criticism because she may (or may not; I have a difficult time sympathizing with a determination to disregard documented medicine and, you know, reality so intense that it apparently constitutes a highly specific, single-issue variety of dissociation and/or psychosis) genuinely believe the misinformation that has been championing is confounding to me. Like, for instance, I'm sure that, for example, on the spectrum of racism still alive and well in the world today, a not insignificant number of bigots truly think that Mexicans/blacks/whatever are more dangerous than white people. Does the premise that authentic faith in a demonstrably baseless idea encompass only medical insanity, or does it also include prejudice and animus motivated by viscerally held ideologies?

Because Yolanda is not just applying her frightening misconceptions to herself; she's actively campaigning for and promoting them across an array of personal and professional media apparatuses. Just to provide a refresher on what those misrepresentations include:

* the notion that Lyme is viral. It's not. As a bacterial infection, it's actually the opposite and the insistence of Dr. Klinghardt and his acolytes to the contrary is a bizarre precipitate of a collective and incomprehensible effort to conflate Lyme with HIV.

* the suggestion that Lyme is "a silent killer" more prevalent that AIDS in the '80s, when no effective treatments had yet been devised to combat the most lethal epidemic of contemporary times. You know, the virus that would have subsumed Africa during the aughties had it not been for the concerted intervention of the W administration and non-profit initiatives.

* championing non-FDA-approved immunotherapy for minors.

This last point is germane to the disturbing contention that availing oneself of treatments indiscriminately/without the guidance of a reliable medical care provider will "get something right." Certain immunotherapies become less effective over time and/or if an entire course of treatment is not completed. God forbid that Anwar or Bella is ever exposed to HIV or develops an acknowledged medical condition that requires immunotherapy and it doesn't succeed because they've been improperly dosed during this Lyme free-for-all. Or that Bella becomes cirrhotic/faces kidney failure because she's been downing 20 pills and supplements a day at lunch alone since she was a teenager.

As I mentioned above, I have no idea what is motivating Yolanda's scary tour of intentional or inadvertent misrepresentation and deception. But, to invoke a more relevant analogy than that of bigotry, if an AIDS denier honestly subscribes to their misguided (to say the least) philosophies, where does justification for horror begin if earnestness qualifies destructive ramifications? At the point where they exhort others to discontinue treatment; at the point where they have unprotected sex (since, in this formulation, they believe that there's zero risk for infection)?

In the context of the show, Yolanda introduced the insanity enumerated above as well as bald and numerous inconsistencies into her public narrative of disease. Those are subject to deconstruction, dissection, and disagreement, in my opinion. It is unfortunate that Rinna attacked those inconsistencies and prevarications in such a sensationalistic and inarticulate fashion - but it's also a shame that Kyle and Lisa - who expressly rejected the possibility of Munchausen - or anyone, really, addressed the dangerous and misleading nature of Yolanda's health "facts."

Yolanda won this season game, set, and match with the cooing supplication of the entire cast at the reunion. And that's nothing less than chilling.

 

Always the most beautifully worded/written posts that are full of facts and logic yet wrapped up in eloquence. 

[homeperm]

5 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

But some alternative measures are beneficial and it's truly up to individuals to decide whether they want to test it out. Yolanda believes in it so I don't see how she's doing something malicious. I mean it is what it is but to assign criminal activity to her choices of treatment and her confidence in it seems a wee bit unfair. <shrug>

Placebos can work, but charging people so much for them that they lose their homes is wrong. It's also dangerous to diagnose people with fake diagnoses and treat them when there could be a very real and treatable cause.

[homeperm]

4 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Wait now-----I've had bronchitis for 3 weeks and apparently I did it all wrong.......I didn't take any sick selfies so people could see me blowing my nose or hacking away.....I didn't write a blog about my journey.......I didn't file for divorce (well I'm not married but you get the idea) because I wasn't getting enough support.......I didn't claim my kids also have bronchitis........I didn't get mad at my friends who didn't drop everything to come hold my hand.......and most important.....I didn't refuse the antibiotics, sell my home, and go live by the river because antibiotics don't work ya'll!!!

You forgot to mention that you had the world's worst know case of SEVERE bronchitis and pledge to NEVER stop reminding us about it.

[Vicky8675309]

I'm waiting for Yolanda to seek out faith healers and start holding snakes and chanting in tongues.

[Giselle]

On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 1:16 PM, ingenting said:

 

 

Yoyo has got a blown up copy of this hanging in her bedroom like a trophy.

I bet Eileen was spitting bullets when this happened. This is true delusional vindication and she was robbed of it. Yoyo owes her an apology.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Giselle

[Dutchgirl]

On 4/27/2016 at 11:48 AM, intensebeige said:

I say this as one of the few who can't stand LVP: Lisa Rinna - you can't just be a raging asshole and then say you own it as if that absolves you from your raging asshole behavior and all of its fallout.  

(I still like Rinna as a show character but as a human she super messy.)

Good point. But dear God, I cannot stand that ridiculous, boring, bobblehead. I mute whenever she is on. I loved when Yo asked Rinna why she was not sensitive to Kim's addiction since Rinna's sister died due to addiction, and Rinna said "Maybe because I'm human", yet no one else can be. Oh, the irony of that stupid, desperate bobblehead woman. Blagh, hate her. A lot.

[homeperm]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

x

This. So much. 

[Giselle]

1 hour ago, homeperm said:

Placebos can work, but charging people so much for them that they lose their homes is wrong. It's also dangerous to diagnose people with fake diagnoses and treat them when there could be a very real and treatable cause.

pla·ce·bo pləˈsēbō/

noun: placebo; plural noun: placebos

a harmless pill, medicine, or procedure prescribed more for the psychological benefit to the patient than for any physiological effect.

"his Aunt Beatrice had been kept alive on sympathy and placebos for thirty years"

a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.

a measure designed merely to calm or please someone.

 

In other words Snake oil.

[homeperm]

1 hour ago, lunastartron said:

The premise that Yolanda merits no opprobrium or aggressive criticism because she may (or may not; I have a difficult time sympathizing with a determination to disregard documented medicine and, you know, reality so intense that it apparently constitutes a highly specific, single-issue variety of dissociation and/or psychosis) genuinely believe the misinformation that has been championing is confounding to me. Like, for instance, I'm sure that, for example, on the spectrum of racism still alive and well in the world today, a not insignificant number of bigots truly think that Mexicans/blacks/whatever are more dangerous than white people. Does the premise that authentic faith justifies a demonstrably baseless idea encompass only medical insanity, or does it also include prejudice and animus motivated by viscerally held ideologies?

Because Yolanda is not just applying her frightening misconceptions to herself; she's actively campaigning for and promoting them across an array of personal and professional media apparatuses. Just to provide a refresher on what those misrepresentations include:

* the notion that Lyme is viral. It's not. As a bacterial infection, it's actually the opposite and the insistence of Dr. Klinghardt and his acolytes to the contrary is a bizarre precipitate of a collective and incomprehensible effort to conflate Lyme with HIV.

* the suggestion that Lyme is "a silent killer" more prevalent that AIDS in the '80s, when no effective treatments had yet been devised to combat the most lethal epidemic of contemporary times. You know, the virus that would have subsumed Africa during the aughties had it not been for the concerted intervention of the W administration and non-profit initiatives.

* championing non-FDA-approved immunotherapy for minors.

This last point is germane to the disturbing contention that availing oneself of treatments indiscriminately/without the guidance of a reliable medical care provider will "get something right." Certain immunotherapies become less effective over time and/or if an entire course of treatment is not completed. God forbid that Anwar or Bella is ever exposed to HIV or develops an acknowledged medical condition that requires immunotherapy and it doesn't succeed because they've been improperly dosed during this "chronic Lyme" free-for-all. Or that Bella becomes cirrhotic/faces kidney failure because she's been downing 20 pills and supplements a day at lunch alone since she was a teenager.

As I mentioned above, I have no idea what is motivating Yolanda's scary tour of intentional or inadvertent misrepresentation and deception. But, to invoke a more relevant analogy than that of bigotry, if an AIDS denier honestly subscribes to their misguided (to say the least) philosophies, where does the acceptableness of shock and horror begin if earnestness qualifies destructive ramifications? At the point where they exhort others to discontinue treatment; at the point where they have unprotected sex (since, in this formulation, they believe that there's zero risk for infection)?

In the context of the show, Yolanda introduced the insanity enumerated above as well as bald and numerous inconsistencies into her public narrative of disease. Those are subject to deconstruction, dissection, and disagreement, in my opinion. It is unfortunate that Rinna attacked those inconsistencies and prevarications in such a sensationalistic and inarticulate fashion - but it's also a shame that Kyle and Lisa - who expressly rejected the possibility of Munchausen - or anyone, really, didn't address the dangerous and misleading nature of Yolanda's health "facts."

Yolanda won this season game, set, and match with the cooing supplication of the entire cast at the reunion. And that's nothing less than chilling.

I wish I was as cute as David Cassidy, but like him, I think I love you. Your comparison to racism is spot-fucking-on. If people don't speak out about this harmful BS, more people are going to die. For real. Because of her place in the public eye, Jenny McCarthy, literally caused people, mostly children to die. I take that very seriously.

[notnowimbusy]

I take something to sleep every once in awhile.  If my husband sees me taking it, all of a sudden he can't sleep, woe is me, and tells me to give him one.   This has been going on for ten years.   When I do give him one he always says how great he slept, in fact he's a little groggy in the morning.   So, to me it's amazing that a vitamin d tablet is doing the trick! 

[njbchlover]

6 hours ago, Giselle said:

Agree. But Lisa R's shtick is already 2 years old. Do we really need to see the 3.0 version. This season for Rinna was a repeat of what she did to Kim. She inserted herself into something to a degree that wasn't any of her business, got called out on bad behavior and at the end said " I'm human".   Who is she gonna go after next year Kyle or Katherine? Let me guess, next season some slight is done and LisaR inserts herself and exaggerates the situation. She mouths off. She owns it. She won't let go until she gets called on her continuously escalating shit. Then cries crocodile tears and says "I'm human."

Why bother watching. I'd rather watch Katherine get new hearing aids, Kyle stuffing herself into a goal size bra and Ken chase the ponies.

I think it may have been said at the end of last season that Lisa R would become the "new" Brandi.  

Except for the crocodile tears, this is now true.  Lisa R exhibited all the same behaviors as Brandi did, including going for blood at other Housewives for their mis-deeds (real or perceived), but blowing off her own behaviors with a lame excuse and a "let's move on" attitude at the reunion.

[Giselle]

17 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

I take something to sleep every once in awhile.  If my husband sees me taking it, all of a sudden he can't sleep, woe is me, and tells me to give him one.   This has been going on for ten years.   When I do give him one he always says how great he slept, in fact he's a little groggy in the morning.   So, to me it's amazing that a vitamin d tablet is doing the trick! 

You could be on to something. Shame on you for medicating him without a diagnosis. ;-)

https://www.google.com/search?q=vitamin+d+and+sleep&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7FUJL_en&gws_rd=ssl

Vitamin D Deficiency Could Explain Your Restless Nights and Broken Sleep

[homeperm]

20 minutes ago, Giselle said:

pla·ce·bo pləˈsēbō/

noun: placebo; plural noun: placebos

a harmless pill, medicine, or procedure prescribed more for the psychological benefit to the patient than for any physiological effect.

"his Aunt Beatrice had been kept alive on sympathy and placebos for thirty years"

a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.

a measure designed merely to calm or please someone.

 

In other words Snake oil.

I bolded the operative idea I was referring to. In Yolanda's case, I think it is the most chronic, severe, worst, extreme snake oil ever. She's using it to fake an illness while perpetuating the idea that it is actually effective, thereby suckering desperate people into the scam. It's all so disgusting.

[notnowimbusy]

1 minute ago, Giselle said:

You could be on to something. Shame on you for medicating him without a diagnosis. ;-)

https://www.google.com/search?q=vitamin+d+and+sleep&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7FUJL_en&gws_rd=ssl

Vitamin D Deficiency Could Explain Your Restless Nights and Broken Sleep

We both already take a mega vitamin D daily - these are just pills of another color.    Everyone should be tested for D deficiency.   It's amazing in the age of sun screen, hats, etc. how almost everyone I know has tested positive for low vitamin D.  

[Wings]

12 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

We both already take a mega vitamin D daily - these are just pills of another color.    Everyone should be tested for D deficiency.   It's amazing in the age of sun screen, hats, etc. how almost everyone I know has tested positive for low vitamin D.  

My doctor just tested me and I now take 5000 a day.  

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

Thank you for the quote from Ronnie K. I have been screaming that Yo does not have Lyme since the season started and have been dumbfounded with the Wives constantly expressing " We don't doubt Yo has Lymes." Well I do! Lymes has NOT been documented in the area in which she lives and claims to have contracted the disease. Why doesn't anyone confront her with this fact?! 

Quite simply I think the other ladies would rather take the hit from Yolanda for not immersing themselves in the World of Lyme (according to Yolanda) then run the risk of engaging in a debate with her.  She was such a four star bitch to LVP when LVP mentioned something about menopause at the Reunion with her, "don't you think we checked all that?"  Don't ask for people to have a discussion and to ask questions of her about her illness and then essentially shut them down for doing the same.  Collectively, I think there best shot was questioning the non-Gigis' invented Chronic Lyme Disease-you know the one that causes DUIs.

[WaltersHair]

My shark officially jumped when everyone gathered around Yolanda like she was the Queen of England and they were all about to be beheaded if they didn't grovel.

This reunion? Yawn.

[mwell345]

8 hours ago, Giselle said:

It's up Dahlings, RonnieK's recap.

For your enjoyment.

 

http://www.trashtalktv.com/04/27/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-hagchella-part-2/385114/

Thank you for that....Priceless!!

[Dutchgirl]

Ok, I realize this won't stop the witch hunt— so please proceed with torch and pitchfork after reading this if you're so inclined— but Yolanda HAS lyme disease. The woman is rich and beautiful and famous, her ex husband is rich and famous, her other ex husband is SUPER rich and SUPER powerful, and her children are becoming rich and famous. Does this make them truth-tellers, certainly not, but clearly Yolanda does not need to fake an illness and go to the painful (and embarrassing and bloody) effort of removing boob implants or tooth fillings to entertain us or to get a paycheck from Andy Cohen. The show does not document her life moment-to-moment, so there is some room for interpretation when she says her life has changed and she has less energy, so let's stop playing semantics about her walk and makeup comments. On the other hand, if there is some question as to her treatment of lyme disease, perhaps the righteous condemnation should be directed at those who are prescribing these questionable treatments to a sick woman who can barely speak english. Now, deep breathe, count to 3 and consider this: She's actually going thru something real and difficult, for which there is no cure and for some reason she's naive enough to share her experience on a reality show. Probably for the first time in her life she has an altruistic mission, and some want to string her up for it. Yes, RHOBH is the wrong venue for ethics or altruism, she will clearly get no brownie points, but she's doing it anyway. More power to her. Sorry to interrupt the hate chant. Please proceed...-

[Almost 3000]

7 hours ago, Giselle said:

I also want photos of your meds closet and your jiffy pop sauna or any other Rube Goldberg medical device. 

Nothing better then a good RG reference. ;^)

[Satchels of gold]

I'm picking the worst time to do this with all the upgrading going on but I'm changing my user name. If you have been following the national news NC is in the forefront of some awful policies for the LGBT community. I've been Nc socialworker since twop days so I'm attached to it :(

 

now for something show related. I'm not surprised all that surprised at Lisar . I sort of knew she had train wreck potential , although I was firmly on the love train last year ( I'm owning it, damn it!) .  Elieen this year, particularly at the reunion has been a big surprise.  What happened to funny and insightful Elieen? I saw a glimpse of it in that TH where she says she bought 2,000 dollars worth of new luggage so Kathyrn would be impressed . Then she added a cute " because that's how shallow I am". That's the Elieen that I love. I never watched soaps so I only know her from RH. 

[Wings]

Dutchgirl, you make some sense.  I am done with Yolanda and just cannot engage in any more discussion about her.  One more show and hopefully she will have something else to bring to the table next season.  

Edited April 29, 2016 by wings707

[This2getsold]

1 hour ago, Giselle said:

You could be on to something. Shame on you for medicating him without a diagnosis. ;-)

https://www.google.com/search?q=vitamin+d+and+sleep&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7FUJL_en&gws_rd=ssl

Vitamin D Deficiency Could Explain Your Restless Nights and Broken Sleep

Just yesterday I found out my Vitamin D levels were so low, doc gave me an RX for 50,000 units of D. I was fatigued & had a hard time sleeping. (Thought I had Lymes, Chronic fatigue, Celiac, tennis elbow, Seasonal affective Disorder, IBS, Fibromyaligia, and Epstein Barr.) I feel like a new woman already. Except I still need those apologies. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by This2getsold

[ryebread]

3 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

Lymes has NOT been documented in the area in which she lives and claims to have contracted the disease.

Yes, it has.

2 hours ago, Vicky8675309 said:

I'm waiting for Yolanda to seek out faith healers and start holding snakes and chanting in tongues.

Next thing you know she'll take to Facebook. 

One 'like' = One prayer  One 'share' = Three prayers. All she needs is 100,000 'likes' to cure what ails her.  I see this kind of nonsense every single day on my FB page.  It's the exact same thing as seeking out faith healers and chanting in tongues.  Lots of people are into stuff like that.  Not just Yo.

[Wings]

28 minutes ago, Satchels of gold said:

I'm picking the worst time to do this with all the upgrading going on but I'm changing my user name. If you have been following the national news NC is in the forefront of some awful policies for the LGBT community. I've been Nc socialworker since twop days so I'm attached to it :(

 

now for something show related. I'm not surprised all that surprised at Lisar . I sort of knew she had train wreck potential , although I was firmly on the love train last year ( I'm owning it, damn it!) .  Elieen this year, particularly at the reunion has been a big surprise.  What happened to funny and insightful Elieen? I saw a glimpse of it in that TH where she says she bought 2,000 dollars worth of new luggage so Kathyrn would be impressed . Then she added a cute " because that's how shallow I am". That's the Elieen that I love. I never watched soaps so I only know her from RH. 

Now that the avatars are larger I will recognize you.  I have friends in NC who are upset as I am sure you are.  I get wanting to change your name.  What is the significance of this new looooooog user name?  :^)  Quote this when you answer or I may miss it!  Still working with the new format. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by wings707

[homeperm]

This is why I can't stand junk science.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/26/alberta-parents-found-guilty-in-sons-death-from-meningitis

[ryebread]

41 minutes ago, Dutchgirl said:

Ok, I realize this won't stop the witch hunt— so please proceed with torch and pitchfork after reading this if you're so inclined— but Yolanda HAS lyme disease. The woman is rich and beautiful and famous, her ex husband is rich and famous, her other ex husband is SUPER rich and SUPER powerful, and her children are becoming rich and famous. Does this make them truth-tellers, certainly not, but clearly Yolanda does not need to fake an illness and go to the painful (and embarrassing and bloody) effort of removing boob implants or tooth fillings to entertain us or to get a paycheck from Andy Cohen. The show does not document her life moment-to-moment, so there is some room for interpretation when she says her life has changed and she has less energy, so let's stop playing semantics about her walk and makeup comments. On the other hand, if there is some question as to her treatment of lyme disease, perhaps the righteous condemnation should be directed at those who are prescribing these questionable treatments to a sick woman who can barely speak english. Now, deep breathe, count to 3 and consider this: She's actually going thru something real and difficult, for which there is no cure and for some reason she's naive enough to share her experience on a reality show. Probably for the first time in her life she has an altruistic mission, and some want to string her up for it. Yes, RHOBH is the wrong venue for ethics or altruism, she will clearly get no brownie points, but she's doing it anyway. More power to her. Sorry to interrupt the hate chant. Please proceed...-

Well, where the heck were ya six months ago?  Reasonable, rational, logical.

[Wings]

The sentiment of Dutchgirl has been posted by myself and many others who believe the Lyme may be real and the rest is alternative health fanatic, body consciousness and self absorbed woman.  This is not a new revelation. 

[WireWrap]

48 minutes ago, Dutchgirl said:

Ok, I realize this won't stop the witch hunt— so please proceed with torch and pitchfork after reading this if you're so inclined— but Yolanda HAS lyme disease. The woman is rich and beautiful and famous, her ex husband is rich and famous, her other ex husband is SUPER rich and SUPER powerful, and her children are becoming rich and famous. Does this make them truth-tellers, certainly not, but clearly Yolanda does not need to fake an illness and go to the painful (and embarrassing and bloody) effort of removing boob implants or tooth fillings to entertain us or to get a paycheck from Andy Cohen. The show does not document her life moment-to-moment, so there is some room for interpretation when she says her life has changed and she has less energy, so let's stop playing semantics about her walk and makeup comments. On the other hand, if there is some question as to her treatment of lyme disease, perhaps the righteous condemnation should be directed at those who are prescribing these questionable treatments to a sick woman who can barely speak english. Now, deep breathe, count to 3 and consider this: She's actually going thru something real and difficult, for which there is no cure and for some reason she's naive enough to share her experience on a reality show. Probably for the first time in her life she has an altruistic mission, and some want to string her up for it. Yes, RHOBH is the wrong venue for ethics or altruism, she will clearly get no brownie points, but she's doing it anyway. More power to her. Sorry to interrupt the hate chant. Please proceed...-

Yolanda does not claim to have Lyme Disease, she never has. She claims she had/has Chronic Lyme Disease and or Chronic Neurological Lyme Disease, neither of which exists according to the CDC/AMA/WHO. There is no such thing as Chronic Lyme anything and she was originally diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome here in a reputable Hospital near her but sought a different diagnosis because according to her, she was not satisfied with that diagnosis. And, it has been reported that according to Bella, she was diagnosed with her Chronic Lyme Disease "Over the Phone"! One other thing, Lyme Disease is curable.

Also, If you go back to Yolanda's first season on the show, she spoke much better English than she currently does. If you listen clearly to her, when she is lecturing someone about how they lack in being a friend, that they are ignorant about "invisible diseases" or that they shouldn't talk/ask about her kids, her English is really clear.

[Satchels of gold]

14 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Now that the avatars are larger I will recognize you.  I have friends in NC who are upset as I am sure you are.  I get wanting to change your name.  What is the significance of this new looooooog user name?  :^)  Quote this when you answer or I may miss it!  Still working with the new format. 

Oh girl, have you not seen scary island (RHoNY )? When Kelly has her breakdown, or breakthrough according to her , she randomly starts saying the oddest things one of which is " satchels of gold" . No one knows what it means but Kelly and possibly the invisible man she was talking to , who may, or may not,  be Al Sharpton. 

Do yourself a favor and watch that episode!

Edited April 29, 2016 by Satchels of gold
Spelling counts

[motorcitymom65]

4 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I agree. I mean when all is said and done why all the harshness anyway? I still can't wrap my head around the world changing "lies" Yolanda has spewed that ruined these women's lives. It's mind boggling how being annoying turns into the most unforgivable crime on earth. These woman were gossiping about her. Even in the most simplistic terms most people don't like it when they find out that people are gossiping about them. I mean there is reality show discussion and then there is GOSSIP. One can participate in the expectations of a reality show format without resorting to nasty or at the very least suspect gossiping. And if you do then it is completely natural to find yourselves on the other end of someone's hurt feelings and attitude. End of story.

I agree with this. The thing that is really interesting to me, when I really think back on the season, is that the other girls really didn't hammer away at Yo. It was actually the viewing public that did. Usually, the conversation follows the talk on the show.  We were given so much untrue press on this season before it aired, that I think we all went into it thinking that the gals were going to be screaming at Yo, calling her a liar and accusing her of horrible things. They actually didn't. The drama surrounding the others and their off camera talk about Yo was pretty restrained, but feels like it was more. They were talking, and I agree that they should have apologized and been made to feel badly for it, but no one challenged her on being ill the way I think we were all led to believe that they would. Lisar got the closest, but everyone else seemed to be saying consistently through the season that they thought she really was ill. They thought her ridiculous with some of it, but for the most part I thought they all appeared to be supportive of Yo. The only real question mark was from LVP saying that Mo said the kids didn't have it. Outside of that, she got support. Strangely enough, as someone who has disliked Yo from her very first moment on the show, my opinion of her changed a bit. I find her softer and more likable than I did before. I am glad that everyone appeared supportive of her. That was the kind thing to do. I actually hope she comes back. I would like to dislike her again as much as I use to. 

[Wings]

1 minute ago, Satchels of gold said:

Oh girl, have you not seen scary island (RHoNY )? When Kelly has her breakdown, or breakthrough according to her , she randomly starts saying the oddest things one of which is " satchels of gold" . No one knows what it means but Kelly and possibly the invisible an she was talking to , who may, or may not,  be Al Sharpton. 

Do yourself a favor and watch that episode!

Oh my!  I don't watch that show.  I have them piling up on my DVR.  I am not sure I have the energy to jump into a HW show that has been going on for so long.  Way too much to catch up. 

[Satchels of gold]

4 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Oh my!  I don't watch that show.  I have them piling up on my DVR.  I am not sure I have the energy to jump into a HW show that has been going on for so long.  Way too much to catch up. 

Houswived out? I feel ya. I haven't watched Dallas yet because I'm not in the mood to meet new people, I Dont have the energy. Lol. You would think they were all coming to my house for dinner.

[notnowimbusy]

If Rinna is back next season, how is she going to feel if the other women go after her about her eating habits?   What if they speculate, talk among themselves, reveal how they feel in their TH, and go full on against her?   Will she come out with a "how dare you", or will she say it's none of their business?

[Wings]

10 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

If Rinna is back next season, how is she going to feel if the other women go after her about her eating habits?   What if they speculate, talk among themselves, reveal how they feel in their TH, and go full on against her?   Will she come out with a "how dare you", or will she say it's none of their business?

I think they are going to leave her the fuck alone!  Who wants to tangle with that again?  

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, Dutchgirl said:

Ok, I realize this won't stop the witch hunt— so please proceed with torch and pitchfork after reading this if you're so inclined— but Yolanda HAS lyme disease. The woman is rich and beautiful and famous, her ex husband is rich and famous, her other ex husband is SUPER rich and SUPER powerful, and her children are becoming rich and famous. Does this make them truth-tellers, certainly not, but clearly Yolanda does not need to fake an illness and go to the painful (and embarrassing and bloody) effort of removing boob implants or tooth fillings to entertain us or to get a paycheck from Andy Cohen. The show does not document her life moment-to-moment, so there is some room for interpretation when she says her life has changed and she has less energy, so let's stop playing semantics about her walk and makeup comments. On the other hand, if there is some question as to her treatment of lyme disease, perhaps the righteous condemnation should be directed at those who are prescribing these questionable treatments to a sick woman who can barely speak english. Now, deep breathe, count to 3 and consider this: She's actually going thru something real and difficult, for which there is no cure and for some reason she's naive enough to share her experience on a reality show. Probably for the first time in her life she has an altruistic mission, and some want to string her up for it. Yes, RHOBH is the wrong venue for ethics or altruism, she will clearly get no brownie points, but she's doing it anyway. More power to her. Sorry to interrupt the hate chant. Please proceed...-

Actually Yolanda does not have Lyme Disease.  For centuries physicians and mental health care professionals have worked to define various disorders.  Why did Robin Williams, an incredibly brilliant, rich beloved man take his own life?  Or why do incredibly seemingly wealth, happy people suffer from depression?  Or why do people steal things when they have the means to pay for the same?  Why are some people pre-disposed to alcoholism or addiction?  It is all part of a very confusing and fascinating human psyche. 

There really aren't any semantics about her make-up comments.  She has admitted she did that to draw awareness to her "invisible disease".  She also claimed she lost all of her hair.  The woman has had a stringy mop of hair for years and has never been shown without hair.  A first quarter cosmetology student could diagnose her shit for hair-too much bleach.  Yolanda is not a platinum blonde. A hair cut is not the same as losing all f one's hair.

Yolanda had a wonderful platform for altruism with the David Foster Foundation-what is more heart warming than supporting children with organ transplants and their devoted families?  She didn't even bother to attend the last gala in September, in support of the Foundation.

It is difficult to find a cure for something that has a spokesperson who is so contradictory and buys and promotes improbable treatments and maladies.  Her guru claims almost everyone has Lyme Disease and it is sexually transmitted and delighted readers with a story about clever spirochetes crawling into a man's urethra and be expelled an infecting their partners.  It is declaring Lyme Disease a pandemic, when it has not been.

RHOBH is not the wrong venue for ethics or altruism-Yolanda is just the wrong messenger or poster child.  We have seen specifically LVP and Kyle with causes they support, even David Foster and his Foundation  To me, Yolanda wants attention and this was a way for all eyes on her.  Someday she may seek treatment for it but until she does she has found the perfect vehicle to draw the desired attention to herself.  They hold Lyme Disease galas and parties, there is not an active chapter for those who disbelieve claims of certain Lyme Disease characteristics.  Yet, when someone doesn't wholeheartedly endorse and support Yolanda, they are on a witch hunt, or unfeeling.  It may just be a case of the majority choosing intelligence and insight over supporting a dubious cause.  

Edited April 29, 2016 by zoeysmom

[ryebread]

9 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Strangely enough, as someone who has disliked Yo from her very first moment on the show, my opinion of her changed a bit. I find her softer and more likable than I did before. I am glad that everyone appeared supportive of her. That was the kind thing to do. I actually hope she comes back. I would like to dislike her again as much as I use to. 

Like you, I never liked Yo - but this season a lot of her journey was believable to me and therefore, I found myself sympathetic to her because of the pile on. No one was more surprised than me. 

Also like you, I hope she comes back as I would like to dislike her again as much as I use to. Next season, the tide will turn in her favor especially with all the favored HWs in her corner and I'll be back to disliking her again. LOL. That's the way I appear to roll.