Negan: Villain? Anti-Hero? and Jeffrey Dean Morgan: the Actor

[eejm]

OK, so we've only seen a few minutes of him.  But I'll say that Negan certainly knows how to make an entrance.  And how to leave a mark.

 

Seriously though, JDM is truly casting perfection.  His looks, his swagger, his wisecracks - I doubt a better choice exists for the role.  I like what I see so far.

 

Thoughts?

[Nashville]

Denny Duquette really knows how to swing for the fences, don't he now?  ;>

[AnnaMayWong]

  ...Machismo, Madness 'n' Mirth leading fiends, dopes, and lackwits.

[CletusMusashi]

Back on "Angel," there was a goofy one-shot villain named Doug Sanders, a self-help "guru" and pyramid scheme swindler who became a vampire and was using his regular con game to recruit a huge army of undead minions. Negan reminds me of him. Maybe if he ever stops talking for five seconds I'll take him more seriously.

Edited April 12, 2016 by CletusMusashi

[AngelaHunter]

Maybe if he ever stops talking for five seconds I'll take him more seriously.

 

Remember that old song, "You Talk Too Much"? Yeah, that's what I thought, although it can be lethal. He nearly talked me into a coma.

 

You talk about people

That you've never seen

You talk about people

You can make me scream

 

 

[RustbeltWriter]

I refuse to believe anyone would name their child Negan. I think it's as much an affectation as his Fonzie costume and his baseball bat.

[CletusMusashi]

I assume his first name is probably Egbert or Sheldon or something embarrassing like that.

Wouldn't it be great if it were Ezekiel? Maybe he and other Ezekiel used to be community theatre rivals.

KZ was better at playing the good guys, Negan was always stuck playing the longwinded villains. That and being halfway decent at playing softball were Mr. Negan's only skills when the zombie apocalypse started. And he's been making speeches and swinging bats ever since. 

[AngelaHunter]

Okay, Wikipedia says that Negan was a used car salesman/teacher(?) pre-ZA.  No wonder he's so gabby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negan

[RustbeltWriter]

I guess I can buy Negan as being a gym teacher. He seems like the kind of guy who is sort of smart but unwilling to apply himself to any job that requires long pants.

[Nashville]

4 hours ago, RustbeltWriter said:

I guess I can buy Negan as being a gym teacher. 

Well... that definitely explains the narcissism, the over-the-top repeated uses of cruelty to enforce discipline, and the long-winded speeches of self-importance droning on towards infinity.  Reminds ME of high school gym class, anyway.

[eejm]

4 hours ago, Nashville said:

Well... that definitely explains the narcissism, the over-the-top repeated uses of cruelty to enforce discipline, and the long-winded speeches of self-importance droning on towards infinity.  Reminds ME of high school gym class, anyway.

Right?  This theory is suddenly making a lot of sense.

[AngelaHunter]

I couldn't help but nod when I saw this:

 

[RustbeltWriter]

14 hours ago, eejm said:

Right?  This theory is suddenly making a lot of sense.

I wonder if we can look into Kirkman's middle school past and see a Coach Negan hollering at him to climb the rope.

[JasonCC]

I think this is a character that must have worked better in the Comics--it's just too over the top for me.

JDM is doing the best that he can, I suppose. But I'm having trouble believing that he has this level of control.

Looking at pictures in the comics, I am surprised JDM didn't do a cycle or two of steroids before beginning the role. He just isn't physically imposing enough to be believed.

[AngelaHunter]

23 hours ago, JasonCC said:

I am surprised JDM didn't do a cycle or two of steroids before beginning the role.

I wouldn't suggest steroids, but someone should have fed him a few very thick egg/pickle/tomato sammies, but with mayo instead of mustard. Lots of mayo. And cheese. Maybe cream cheese. He's so thin it's painful to look at. Well, for me anyway.

[luckyroll3]

On ‎11‎/‎13‎/‎2016 at 8:03 PM, AngelaHunter said:

Okay, Wikipedia says that Negan was a used car salesman/teacher(?) pre-ZA.  No wonder he's so gabby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negan

 

On ‎11‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 6:15 AM, RustbeltWriter said:

I guess I can buy Negan as being a gym teacher. He seems like the kind of guy who is sort of smart but unwilling to apply himself to any job that requires long pants.

I thought for sure they would reveal he was a former high school guidance counselor.....but I could also see gym teacher.

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

I love it when these guys it in the spirit of things........

 

[AngelaHunter]

Does anyone know if there are plans to air this show on some premium channel, because this alternate version - loaded with "F" bombs - was filmed:

[ByTor]

Maybe it's for the Netflix/DVD version?

[AngelaHunter]

Yes. Apparently it's the DVD version.

[FishyJoe]

It took me a while to remember, but I finally realized who Negan reminds me of...

Bowser of Sha na na.

[Nashville]

On 12/6/2016 at 7:35 PM, FishyJoe said:

It took me a while to remember, but I finally realized who Negan reminds me of...

Bowser of Sha na na.

+10.  Negan's mouth is open about as much, as well.

[NorthstarATL]

On 11/18/2016 at 3:40 PM, JasonCC said:

I think this is a character that must have worked better in the Comics--it's just too over the top for me.

JDM is doing the best that he can, I suppose. But I'm having trouble believing that he has this level of control.

Looking at pictures in the comics, I am surprised JDM didn't do a cycle or two of steroids before beginning the role. He just isn't physically imposing enough to be believed.

They might have done well to get a John Cena or Randy Orton from the WWF. The level of trash talk plus the physical imposition might have worked better. If nothing else, they should at least allow Negan to wear a looser-fit jacket. He looks like he's going to a gay club in the eighties.

[walnutqueen]

I think JDM would make a more imposing figure if he hadn't lost all that weight (baby fat?).  Because back in his Denny days (Grey's Anatomy, for the uninitiated), he was a HUNK. 

[AngelaHunter]

9 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

I think JDM would make a more imposing figure if he hadn't lost all that weight (baby fat?). 

He starved himself to lose around 40lbs for a role in a miniseries of someone with tuberculosis - down to 140lbs at 6'2". When someone starves that way it might mess up the metabolism and I don't know if they can even gain the weight back, which he seriously needs to do. 

[walnutqueen]

On 2/12/2017 at 6:22 PM, AngelaHunter said:

He starved himself to lose around 40lbs for a role in a miniseries of someone with tuberculosis - down to 140lbs at 6'2". When someone starves that way it might mess up the metabolism and I don't know if they can even gain the weight back, which he seriously needs to do. 

Sheet.  Now I need to find a miniseries about TB?!?

What's next - leprosy?

If he is going to ruin himself for his "craft", I'll just watch Lifetime reruns of his ghost sex with Izzie.

[AngelaHunter]

4 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Sheet.  Now I need to find a miniseries about TB?!?

Ha! I see I worded that poorly. It's not a miniseries about TB. It's about the Texas Rangers and he plays someone who has TB.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3598496/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_10

[walnutqueen]

Dangit - I saw this title on my channel guide surfing & went right past it, only because of a "Go fuck yourself (or was it Fuck you?), Texas" skit.  

Now I need to make room on my DVR for the 5 episodes I found repeating on the 27th ...  :-(

[AngelaHunter]

On ‎3‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 10:03 AM, walnutqueen said:

I'll just watch Lifetime reruns of his ghost sex with Izzie.

Is it hot? Or does he talk the entire time with that too?

[Nashville]

[CletusMusashi]

Wow. The mean, leaning, monologuing machine is so popular that there hasn't been a post on his thread since April 2017. Can't believe I'm digging it up myself. But you know what I reqalized last night? Putting aside the obvious fact that they should have killed him... if they insist on keeping him around this season, then they've wasted his potential. Which, in a way, is admitting that there is a way in which having more of him might have actually been positive.

They should have done way less of a time jump. Judith and Little Hersh could still be the same age they are now, because babies in the ZA grow at the speed of magic anyway. But we could see the way the different communities discuss things and try to work out a system wth each other from very early on.

Why is this about Negan? Because if Rick is holding him prisoner, it shouldn't just be to talk at him. It should be to use him, and pump him for information. Trying to use a bad guy's knowledge to do good, much like Agent Starling did with Hannibal Lecter. And he would give a lot of useful information, because it would amuse his ego to show off what he knows. But, also, he could work to manipulate Rick and give bad advice, in order to trick him into making big mistakes and stirring up shit that doesn't need to be stirred up. This scenerio would give Rick a better excuse for doing stupid things- not that he actually needs one, because Rick is a dumbass, but he's not supposed to be.

ETA: Now that they've kind of started doing this, never mind. A Negan speech is still just a Negan speech.

Edited October 30, 2018 by CletusMusashi

[NoWillToResist]

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A Negan speech is still just a Negan speech..

I'll admit that I initially was amused by Negan's snark, but his utter inability to STOP TALKING EVER quickly made him lose any appeal for me.

If the show was so determined to keep the character around, I feel like they really needed to do a better job making him less repellent. Our heroes' inability to kill him, despite threatening to do so every fucking time they saw him (and having plenty of opportunities), has soured my attitude towards characters I previously liked/loved.

I felt nothing when Rick died. There, I said it. His inability to kill Negan ruined the character for me; he'd killed other characters for way less atrocious offences. The point of no return for me was when Rick organized his big raid on the Sanctuary, with, I think, the express purpose of killing Negan. Rick is behind cover and Negan comes out into the open, an easy target. Instead of, oh I don't know, using his gun and killing Negan, Rick has to have a year long back and forth discussion/argument with him first. I was literally shouting at the screen "Why aren't you just killing him like you fucking vowed?!" It's like he thought it would be foul play to just kill him with no heads-up but...uh, no. It's Negan. You just go ahead and kill him. It just seemed like ego at that point; like, Rick had to know that Negan would know it was Rick who finished him off, instead of just taking the opportunity to rid yourself of a psychotic murderer who doesn't deserve a heads up on impending doom. I guess this is why Carol was forced into retirement over at the Kingdom because that woman knows how to kill shit that needs killing (RIP, crazy murderous child whose name I've forgotten, and most of the cannibals at that other place whose name I've also forgotten).

By the end of last season, I had thrown up my hands and come to terms with the fact that Rick would never kill Negan (and likely none of our "heroes" would either). For whatever reason, TPTB have invested so much in Negan that they are willing to make the regular characters behave like fucking idiots in order to keep him around. If not for my husband, I wouldn't even have bothered watching this season. Hell, we didn't even start watching the new eps until after ep 6 aired. So much for must-see tv! And this season, I had to suffer through watching dumbass after dumbass visit this asshole so that I could sit through MORE TALKING and watch our "heroes" fall prey to this guy's taunts and mind games over and over again. What the actual fuck? Is this entertainment?

And then he goes on a hunger strike and instead of shrugging it off all "well, we're providing food; it's on you if you don't eat it and kill yourself. We tried.", Michonne is called in to bully him into continuing to exist. And why? Because fucking CARL thought Negan watching a peaceful future would...what? Change his mind or something? Rehabilitate him to the point that everyone would forget how he gleefully and brutally murdered two of their friends/family? The fuck? They are wasting time and scarce resources on this blight upon humanity (and have been for 6 years!!!) because of Rick and Carl.  Makes me respect the remaining characters even less.

And now he's free again. So I can listen to him spout more bullshit and presumably try to regain power. Oh goodie. I can't wait. Oh, actually, I totally can. If the show wants to take a Game of Thrones' length hiatus, I don't think I'd even notice or care.

At this point, in my opinion, the only shocking thing this show could do would be kill Negan.

[AngelaHunter]

1 hour ago, NoWillToResist said:

For whatever reason, TPTB have invested so much in Negan that they are willing to make the regular characters behave like fucking idiots in order to keep him around.

Because Negan is Kirkman, in his sweaty little dick-swinging, torture-porn fantasies. He's never going away, no matter who has to be trashed to keep him around.

 

1 hour ago, NoWillToResist said:

I felt nothing when Rick died. There, I said it. His inability to kill Negan ruined the character for me; he'd killed other characters for way less atrocious offences.

I felt nothing either, well, except maybe for a eye-rolling, FFS! reaction when he was whisked into the Magic Invisible helicopter by his groupie, where medical miracles are performed.

1 hour ago, NoWillToResist said:

I think, the express purpose of killing Negan. Rick is behind cover and Negan comes out into the open, an easy target. Instead of, oh I don't know, using his gun and killing Negan

But he tried! It's not his fault some mystical force field made him empty an entire clip into windows and be unable to hit Negan with a single shot. "I'm gonna kill you!" x 10 sounds in retrospect like some zany sitcom.

Edited December 6, 2018 by AngelaHunter

[CletusMusashi]

OK, so here's something that just recently started bugging me. Negan calls his bat Lucille, just like BB King's guitar. OK, that in and of itself would be fine. Kirkman apparently likes BB King and wanted to have one of his characters do an homage? No problem. But why then the nonsense of "Oh, it doesn't have anything to do with King at all; Lucille was the name of Negan's wife?" Is Kirkman seriously trying to claim that he independently chose the name Lucille? And he thinks we're stupid enough to believe it? Or is the point supposed to be that Negan is lying? I have absolutely no idea, and it's annoying the hell out of me.

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Negan is a perfect example of when Comic book doesn't translate well

to screen.  Keeping him alive really hurt the show and decreased viewership. Plus the Actor appears to be delusional , like his Stans.

Edited October 7, 2019 by MrsRafaelBarba

[AngelaHunter]

10 minutes ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

Negan is a perfect example of when Comic book doesn't translate well

Exactly. If you want to use comic book characters you need to make the whole show comic bookish, like Batman. Sticking a one-dimensional cartoon like Negan in with live-action, real people is extremely jarring. And boring.

David Morrisey managed to make the comic character of the Governor into a real, 3-D, identifiable person. JDM either can't do that, chooses not to, or just does whatever the hell he's told to do as long as the paychecks roll in.

[OoohMaggie]

Uuuuugggggggghhhhhhhhhh!    Stop the press,

“Data Shows The Walking Dead Declined When Negan Arrived”  It’s taken this long? 🙄

The Walking Dead had a decline in viewer ratings when Negan (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) joined the zombie drama, according to data collected from IMDb. The viewer data, collected and analyzed by Broadband Choices, shows audience review ratings began to drop after Negan’s first appearance in the Season 6 finale, “Last Day on Earth,” which also ended with a cliffhanger when it left Rick Grimes (Andrew Lincoln), Daryl (Norman Reedus), Michonne (Danai Gurira) and other fan-favorites at the mercy of the baseball bat-wielding bad guy. TWD dips when that cliffhanger is resolved in the Season 7 opener, which inspired viewer outrage when it depicted the gory executions of Abraham (Michael Cudlitz) and Glenn (Steven Yeun).

Broadband Choices notes TWD’s season average “dropped ever so slightly” over its first six seasons, but upon reaching Season 7 — where Rick and Team Family spend most of the season subjected by Negan and the Saviors — “the quality of the show falls off a cliff.” A graphic showing episode ratings and season averages then determines “Negan was the worst thing to happen to The Walking Dead.”

The data also shows the Season 6 finale has the lowest rating for a season finale: “Last Day on Earth” is currently rated at a 6.5 out of 10 with 26,108 votes counted.

Broadband Choices adds the show’s average rating on IMDb dropped again in Season 8, which depicted All Out War against the Saviors, before an uptick with Season 9, the first season under current showrunner Angela Kang. The site notes episode ratings “noticeably” increased in Season 9, particularly after a six-year time jump that immediately followed the disappearance of Rick Grimes in 9x05. (Season 10, to resume airing on AMC in February, recently celebrated becoming TWD's highest-rated season on Rotten Tomatoes.)

The Season 7 opener, “The Day Will Come When You Won’t Be,” sparked backlash among viewers over its unrestrained violence and the episode was at the center of numerous complaints filed with the FCC. Despite some calling the episode “sadistic, emotional torture” — the Parents Television Council reported the “brutally explicit” episode was “one of the most graphically violent shows we’ve ever seen on television” — 7x01 does have a 9.1 rating on IMDb after 34,653 votes.

On Rotten Tomatoes, Season 7 is the second-lowest rated season among critics (66%), coming in just ahead of Season 8 (64%).

In October, Morgan admitted Negan was “very one-dimensional” during the Saviors’ reign in Seasons 7 and 8.

“I thought the first couple of years that we knew Negan was very one-dimensional. To me, when Negan came out of the RV for the first time, we didn’t learn anything about him for two years, three years. And that was hard,” Morgan said at Walker Stalker Con Atlanta. “I felt like everything that I said coming out of that RV is sort of what I said for the next two years, and never shifted. I think with the introduction of Judith (Cailey Fleming), and that relationship, we got to see a little different side of him.”

He later said Season 10 is the “best stuff [he’s] gotten to do on the show,” including joining up with the Whisperers.

Seasons 9 and 10 also helped rehabilitate Negan into even more of a fan-favorite: a poll conducted by The Walking Dead Twitter in October showed a majority of fans are now rooting for Negan despite past deeds.

https://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2019/12/01/the-walking-dead-viewer-ratings-declined-negan-arrived-season-6-7-data-shows/

Edited December 2, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[AngelaHunter]

3 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

The Season 7 opener, “The Day Will Come When You Won’t Be,” sparked backlash among viewers over its unrestrained violence and the episode was at the center of numerous complaints filed with the FCC. Despite some calling the episode “sadistic, emotional torture”

I felt the same way. It was disgusting, the sadism more than the violence for me. But I bet everyone was greatly relieved that Negan wasn't allowed to say the dread "F" word. Give me sadism, give me brains squashed on the ground but whatever you do, don't give me that word.

3 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

Seasons 9 and 10 also helped rehabilitate Negan into even more of a fan-favorite: a poll conducted by The Walking Dead Twitter in October showed a majority of fans are now rooting for Negan despite past deeds.

🙄

4 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

Yes I did, apparently it means “Revenge is a dish best served cold” or some such, which is rather apt for a Klingon.

I'm pretty sure Kahn said it before any Klingons did...?

1 minute ago, AngelaHunter said:

Edited December 2, 2019 by AngelaHunter

[nodorothyparker]

This is the link to the actual story itself.

5 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

The Walking Dead had a decline in viewer ratings when Negan (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) joined the zombie drama, according to data collected from IMDb. The viewer data, collected and analyzed by Broadband Choices, shows audience review ratings began to drop after Negan’s first appearance in the Season 6 finale, “Last Day on Earth,”

Just think.  Somebody got paid, probably handsomely, to state what was obvious to anyone who actually watched the show and could have told them for free.  Season 7 was an unending slog of misery to sit through.  The sadism and nihilism was off the charts and it committed the worst sin you can commit in television, it was dull.  It was tedious.  There was little that was particularly interesting or entertaining about it.  It often felt like one of those things where everyone else around you thinks something is just the funniest, cleverist, most bad-ass thing ever and you're clearly not in on it.

If the show had been interested at all in saving some of its waning viewership, the Savior war should have been at best half as long and dialed Negan back by half.  But judging by that article it's on to the redemption bus, full steam ahead and never mind all that pesky icky stuff we wasted whole episodes on that makes Negan so unpalatable to some viewers.

[AngelaHunter]

47 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

The sadism and nihilism was off the charts and it committed the worst sin you can commit in television, it was dull.  It was tedious.

All the above are the problems with Negan himself. He is a villain who is disgusting and sadistic, yet manages to be dull and tedious at the same time. Quite a feat and a success, if that was the goal.

1 hour ago, OoohMaggie said:

And he certainly looked better!

Yes, Khan appearing on a minor (at the time) 1960s TV show with a shoestring budget and styrofoam boulders was a way better villain than Negan. He was much more interesting, charismatic and he knew how to be intimidating.

1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

But judging by that article it's on to the redemption bus, full steam ahead and never mind all that pesky icky stuff we wasted whole episodes on that makes Negan so unpalatable to some viewers.

I wonder if these people would be so willing to forgive Negan if he were being played by a different actor, one not so popular or attractive as JDM? I don't have that problem since I'd never seen him before and now I hope to never see him again.

[The Mighty Peanut]

On 12/2/2019 at 2:50 PM, AngelaHunter said:

I wonder if these people would be so willing to forgive Negan if he were being played by a different actor, one not so popular or attractive as JDM? I don't have that problem since I'd never seen him before and now I hope to never see him again.

I admit I am biased because of Supernatural (only in that I think JDM is hot, not that I don't think Negan is evil), but generally speaking I really I don't think a bad looking actor, or even a less hot one would be as popular. People are shallow. If Negan looked like the....wait, what did we call them? Not the unfair wolves, but the people Daryl hung out with for a couple of days before Rick bit a guy's throat out. Marauders? CLAIMERS!!! OMG I remembered something, stop the presses.

Anyway, imagine if Negan looked like the claimer that tried to rape Carl. They made sure to make JDM's Negan protective of of children to counteract, I dunno, his fondness for enslaving people and making them worship him for it under threat of death. And, oh right, in addition to the casual face ironing and setting examples by murder, he generously gave women a choice to be one of his wives. And yet the audience forgives him because those women did have a kinda sorta choice (which I believe was something like "fuck me and your family and friends will be less likely to be fed dog food sandwiches and/or turned into walkers purposely"), therefore they were what, only 98% raped? And so what that he permanently traumatized Carl by beating his friend to death in front of him, making it his goal in life to kill Carl's dad, and trying to cut his arm off, because, well, he was posturing, he wasn't really gonna cut off the kid's arm, right? Because he loves kids. And he felt totes bad that he died, and wasn't he just reacting to the outpost thing with Rick? And didn't poor, dead, noble Coral really teach him something? So we forgive. Because we have the tiniest bit of wiggle room and Negan is hot. But if Negan looked like that creepy ass claimer, no way people would give him the same leeway. 

Edited December 5, 2019 by The Mighty Peanut

[AngelaHunter]

6 minutes ago, The Mighty Peanut said:

Anyway, imagine if Negan looked like the claimer that tried to rape Carl.

Ezzackly. If Negan said and did everything he has done, but looked like the Claimer, I just betcha no one would forgive him and a thousand fangirls wouldn't be writing xxx-rated fantasies about how hot it would be to be one of his harem. I'd bet quite a lot, actually.

[OoohMaggie]

16 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

Stick him on a Harley and you’d probably have someone like ‘Andrea’ hanging off the back, life can be cruel sometimes 😪

[AngelaHunter]

3 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

Stick him on a Harley and you’d probably have someone like ‘Andrea’ hanging off the back, life can be cruel sometimes 😪

Hey now - Andrea liked good-looking men. But really, what makes the Claimer any worse than Negan, besides his appearance? Yeah, the former was going to rape Carl, but look at all the things Negan threatened to do him before finally deciding to kill him. And after the creepy and weird Negan/Carl private meeting in Negan's room I'm not sure rape was never on HIS agenda either. Poor Coral took a lot of abuse. 😕

[OoohMaggie]

2 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

But really, what makes the Claimer any worse than Negan, besides his appearance? Yeah, the former was going to rape Carl, but look at all the things Negan threatened to do him before finally deciding to kill him.

Nothing as far as I can see, he could well have been a saint compared to Negan, but is the Claimer ‘Dan’ any worse than Glenn? 

Edited December 5, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[The Mighty Peanut]

2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

Nothing as far as I can see, he could well have been a saint compared to Negan, but is the Claimer ‘Dan’ any worse than Glenn? 

I think in general Alexandria/Hilltop are filled with "Dans" who were just luckier at finding a group. But Glenn was always walker bait like Maggie said, too pure of heart for his own good.

Although with that said, I could die a happy woman if they would reshoot him getting those condoms at the drug store, but this time he yelled out "claimed". 😃

Edited December 5, 2019 by The Mighty Peanut

[OoohMaggie]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Peanut said:

I think in general Alexandria/Hilltop are filled with "Dans" who were just luckier at finding a group. But Glenn was always walker bait like Maggie said, too pure of heart for his own good.

I’d like to think that there are no ‘Dans’ in either community, but who honestly knows? Glenn murdered a Saviour who was asleep, a person that he knew nothing about, does that make him worse than Dan?

After the way Maggie was messing with him, I dread to think how she would have reacted to Glenn’s ‘claimed’ comment 😂

Edited December 5, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[AngelaHunter]

51 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

 Glenn murdered a Saviour who was asleep, a person that he knew nothing about, does that make him worse than Dan?

Well, there's the whole pedophilia/rape/murder anyone who has something I want thing going on with the Claimers.  Definitely not Glenn.

Edited December 5, 2019 by AngelaHunter

[Nashville]

2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

I’d like to think that there are no ‘Dans’ in either community, but who honestly knows? Glenn murdered a Saviour who was asleep, a person that he knew nothing about, does that make him worse than Dan?

Depends upon Dan’s motivations for his actions.  We know Glenn’s motivations:

• Ultimate culpability for the (im-)morality of the initial Savior outpost raid falls squarely upon Rick’s shoulders, not Glenn’s.  By the time they encountered Hilltop CDB had become a coordinated unit extremely efficient at the dispatching of dead and living alike, true - but these skills in mortality cessation were honed through countless individual struggles for simple survival.  When Rick struck his deal with Gregory, though, Rick de facto converted CDB from a band of survivors to a band of mercenaries - killing for profit instead of existence.
• This does not absolve Glenn (or any other member of CDB) of his (their) own personal responsibility, but it does introduce a moral quandary.  Does Glenn continue to follow Rick’s lead down a path which ends in the unambiguously immoral position of being a murderer for hire?  Or does Glenn hold fast to his own personal moral compass and refuse - but in so doing put his survival family in grave peril, by letting them embark on a seriously dangerous mission a man down?
• The fact Glenn himself would personally benefit from the increased security they thought the Savior raid would afford them was no doubt an additional complicating factor.  Remember, at the time CDB had no real notion of the actual size and scope of the Savior presence; they thought the outpost and its occupants represented the entirety of the Savior threat.

So - what do we know of Dan’s motivations?

(I’m asking, really; I stopped watching after the dumpster fire which was Season 9)

[AngelaHunter]

^^  Imagine if TPTB put this much thought into writing characters?

15 hours ago, Nashville said:

So - what do we know of Dan’s motivations?

I don't think any of the Claimers needed much motivation to be brutal and murderous. As for Dan, his seemed pretty clear:
 

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Although his personalty is not well known, Dan appeared to be a brutal, sadistic and violent person and was shown to be a loyal member of the Claimers. According to his actor, Keith Brooks when pointed in a particular direction, he would viciously destroy anything in his way like an animal. It is more than likely he was a murderer as seen when he helped beat Len to death and surely would have killed Carl had his group not been stopped by Rick, Daryl, and Michonne.

It appeared that Dan was a pedophile, as he showed glee when he attempted to rape Carl during the run in between his group and Rick's.

https://walkingdead.fandom.com/wiki/Dan_(Claimer)

Other than method - using brutality instead of coercion and threats in regards to rape - not too much different than Negan.