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Negan: Villain? Anti-Hero? and Jeffrey Dean Morgan: the Actor

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OK, so we've only seen a few minutes of him.  But I'll say that Negan certainly knows how to make an entrance.  And how to leave a mark.

 

Seriously though, JDM is truly casting perfection.  His looks, his swagger, his wisecracks - I doubt a better choice exists for the role.  I like what I see so far.

 

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Back on "Angel," there was a goofy one-shot villain named Doug Sanders, a self-help "guru" and pyramid scheme swindler who became a vampire and was using his regular con game to recruit a huge army of undead minions. Negan reminds me of him. Maybe if he ever stops talking for five seconds I'll take him more seriously.

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Maybe if he ever stops talking for five seconds I'll take him more seriously.

 

Remember that old song, "You Talk Too Much"? Yeah, that's what I thought, although it can be lethal. He nearly talked me into a coma.

 

You talk about people

That you've never seen

You talk about people

You can make me scream

 

 

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I assume his first name is probably Egbert or Sheldon or something embarrassing like that.

Wouldn't it be great if it were Ezekiel? Maybe he and other Ezekiel used to be community theatre rivals.

KZ was better at playing the good guys, Negan was always stuck playing the longwinded villains. That and being halfway decent at playing softball were Mr. Negan's only skills when the zombie apocalypse started. And he's been making speeches and swinging bats ever since. 

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4 hours ago, RustbeltWriter said:

I guess I can buy Negan as being a gym teacher. 

Well... that definitely explains the narcissism, the over-the-top repeated uses of cruelty to enforce discipline, and the long-winded speeches of self-importance droning on towards infinity.  Reminds ME of high school gym class, anyway.

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4 hours ago, Nashville said:

Well... that definitely explains the narcissism, the over-the-top repeated uses of cruelty to enforce discipline, and the long-winded speeches of self-importance droning on towards infinity.  Reminds ME of high school gym class, anyway.

Right?  This theory is suddenly making a lot of sense.

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14 hours ago, eejm said:

Right?  This theory is suddenly making a lot of sense.

I wonder if we can look into Kirkman's middle school past and see a Coach Negan hollering at him to climb the rope.

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I think this is a character that must have worked better in the Comics--it's just too over the top for me.

JDM is doing the best that he can, I suppose. But I'm having trouble believing that he has this level of control.

Looking at pictures in the comics, I am surprised JDM didn't do a cycle or two of steroids before beginning the role. He just isn't physically imposing enough to be believed.

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23 hours ago, JasonCC said:

I am surprised JDM didn't do a cycle or two of steroids before beginning the role.

I wouldn't suggest steroids, but someone should have fed him a few very thick egg/pickle/tomato sammies, but with mayo instead of mustard. Lots of mayo. And cheese. Maybe cream cheese. He's so thin it's painful to look at. Well, for me anyway.

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On ‎11‎/‎13‎/‎2016 at 8:03 PM, AngelaHunter said:

Okay, Wikipedia says that Negan was a used car salesman/teacher(?) pre-ZA.  No wonder he's so gabby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negan

 

On ‎11‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 6:15 AM, RustbeltWriter said:

I guess I can buy Negan as being a gym teacher. He seems like the kind of guy who is sort of smart but unwilling to apply himself to any job that requires long pants.

I thought for sure they would reveal he was a former high school guidance counselor.....but I could also see gym teacher.

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On 12/6/2016 at 7:35 PM, FishyJoe said:

It took me a while to remember, but I finally realized who Negan reminds me of...

Bowser of Sha na na.

+10.  Negan's mouth is open about as much, as well.

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On 11/18/2016 at 3:40 PM, JasonCC said:

I think this is a character that must have worked better in the Comics--it's just too over the top for me.

JDM is doing the best that he can, I suppose. But I'm having trouble believing that he has this level of control.

Looking at pictures in the comics, I am surprised JDM didn't do a cycle or two of steroids before beginning the role. He just isn't physically imposing enough to be believed.

They might have done well to get a John Cena or Randy Orton from the WWF. The level of trash talk plus the physical imposition might have worked better. If nothing else, they should at least allow Negan to wear a looser-fit jacket. He looks like he's going to a gay club in the eighties.

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I think JDM would make a more imposing figure if he hadn't lost all that weight (baby fat?).  Because back in his Denny days (Grey's Anatomy, for the uninitiated), he was a HUNK. 

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9 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

I think JDM would make a more imposing figure if he hadn't lost all that weight (baby fat?). 

He starved himself to lose around 40lbs for a role in a miniseries of someone with tuberculosis - down to 140lbs at 6'2". When someone starves that way it might mess up the metabolism and I don't know if they can even gain the weight back, which he seriously needs to do. 

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On 2/12/2017 at 6:22 PM, AngelaHunter said:

He starved himself to lose around 40lbs for a role in a miniseries of someone with tuberculosis - down to 140lbs at 6'2". When someone starves that way it might mess up the metabolism and I don't know if they can even gain the weight back, which he seriously needs to do. 

Sheet.  Now I need to find a miniseries about TB?!?

What's next - leprosy?

If he is going to ruin himself for his "craft", I'll just watch Lifetime reruns of his ghost sex with Izzie.

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Dangit - I saw this title on my channel guide surfing & went right past it, only because of a "Go fuck yourself (or was it Fuck you?), Texas" skit.  

Now I need to make room on my DVR for the 5 episodes I found repeating on the 27th ...  :-(

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On ‎3‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 10:03 AM, walnutqueen said:

I'll just watch Lifetime reruns of his ghost sex with Izzie.

Is it hot? Or does he talk the entire time with that too?

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Wow. The mean, leaning, monologuing machine is so popular that there hasn't been a post on his thread since April 2017. Can't believe I'm digging it up myself. But you know what I reqalized last night? Putting aside the obvious fact that they should have killed him... if they insist on keeping him around this season, then they've wasted his potential. Which, in a way, is admitting that there is a way in which having more of him might have actually been positive.

They should have done way less of a time jump. Judith and Little Hersh could still be the same age they are now, because babies in the ZA grow at the speed of magic anyway. But we could see the way the different communities discuss things and try to work out a system wth each other from very early on.

Why is this about Negan? Because if Rick is holding him prisoner, it shouldn't just be to talk at him. It should be to use him, and pump him for information. Trying to use a bad guy's knowledge to do good, much like Agent Starling did with Hannibal Lecter. And he would give a lot of useful information, because it would amuse his ego to show off what he knows. But, also, he could work to manipulate Rick and give bad advice, in order to trick him into making big mistakes and stirring up shit that doesn't need to be stirred up. This scenerio would give Rick a better excuse for doing stupid things- not that he actually needs one, because Rick is a dumbass, but he's not supposed to be.

ETA: Now that they've kind of started doing this, never mind. A Negan speech is still just a Negan speech.

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A Negan speech is still just a Negan speech..

I'll admit that I initially was amused by Negan's snark, but his utter inability to STOP TALKING EVER quickly made him lose any appeal for me.

If the show was so determined to keep the character around, I feel like they really needed to do a better job making him less repellent. Our heroes' inability to kill him, despite threatening to do so every fucking time they saw him (and having plenty of opportunities), has soured my attitude towards characters I previously liked/loved.

I felt nothing when Rick died. There, I said it. His inability to kill Negan ruined the character for me; he'd killed other characters for way less atrocious offences. The point of no return for me was when Rick organized his big raid on the Sanctuary, with, I think, the express purpose of killing Negan. Rick is behind cover and Negan comes out into the open, an easy target. Instead of, oh I don't know, using his gun and killing Negan, Rick has to have a year long back and forth discussion/argument with him first. I was literally shouting at the screen "Why aren't you just killing him like you fucking vowed?!" It's like he thought it would be foul play to just kill him with no heads-up but...uh, no. It's Negan. You just go ahead and kill him. It just seemed like ego at that point; like, Rick had to know that Negan would know it was Rick who finished him off, instead of just taking the opportunity to rid yourself of a psychotic murderer who doesn't deserve a heads up on impending doom. I guess this is why Carol was forced into retirement over at the Kingdom because that woman knows how to kill shit that needs killing (RIP, crazy murderous child whose name I've forgotten, and most of the cannibals at that other place whose name I've also forgotten).

By the end of last season, I had thrown up my hands and come to terms with the fact that Rick would never kill Negan (and likely none of our "heroes" would either). For whatever reason, TPTB have invested so much in Negan that they are willing to make the regular characters behave like fucking idiots in order to keep him around. If not for my husband, I wouldn't even have bothered watching this season. Hell, we didn't even start watching the new eps until after ep 6 aired. So much for must-see tv! And this season, I had to suffer through watching dumbass after dumbass visit this asshole so that I could sit through MORE TALKING and watch our "heroes" fall prey to this guy's taunts and mind games over and over again. What the actual fuck? Is this entertainment?

And then he goes on a hunger strike and instead of shrugging it off all "well, we're providing food; it's on you if you don't eat it and kill yourself. We tried.", Michonne is called in to bully him into continuing to exist. And why? Because fucking CARL thought Negan watching a peaceful future would...what? Change his mind or something? Rehabilitate him to the point that everyone would forget how he gleefully and brutally murdered two of their friends/family? The fuck? They are wasting time and scarce resources on this blight upon humanity (and have been for 6 years!!!) because of Rick and Carl.  Makes me respect the remaining characters even less.

And now he's free again. So I can listen to him spout more bullshit and presumably try to regain power. Oh goodie. I can't wait. Oh, actually, I totally can. If the show wants to take a Game of Thrones' length hiatus, I don't think I'd even notice or care.

At this point, in my opinion, the only shocking thing this show could do would be kill Negan.

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1 hour ago, NoWillToResist said:

For whatever reason, TPTB have invested so much in Negan that they are willing to make the regular characters behave like fucking idiots in order to keep him around.

Because Negan is Kirkman, in his sweaty little dick-swinging, torture-porn fantasies. He's never going away, no matter who has to be trashed to keep him around.

 

1 hour ago, NoWillToResist said:

I felt nothing when Rick died. There, I said it. His inability to kill Negan ruined the character for me; he'd killed other characters for way less atrocious offences.

I felt nothing either, well, except maybe for a eye-rolling, FFS! reaction when he was whisked into the Magic Invisible helicopter by his groupie, where medical miracles are performed.

1 hour ago, NoWillToResist said:

I think, the express purpose of killing Negan. Rick is behind cover and Negan comes out into the open, an easy target. Instead of, oh I don't know, using his gun and killing Negan

But he tried! It's not his fault some mystical force field made him empty an entire clip into windows and be unable to hit Negan with a single shot. "I'm gonna kill you!" x 10 sounds in retrospect like some zany sitcom.

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