Box Office

[Dejana]

[methodwriter85]

Somewhere, movie executives are figuring out how they can Peter Jackson the adult portion of the book into two movies.

I'd like to think movie execs learned from the Divergent debacle, but they never learn.

Edited September 9, 2017 by methodwriter85

[twoods]

Those numbers are ridiculous. I was expecting a 30 million weekend. Guess I'm the only one freaked out by the original.  Even pictures of the movie give me nightmares.

Edited September 10, 2017 by twoods

[Dejana]

Even with Hurricane Irma and NFL opening weekend deflating the box office, It beats the previous September OW record (Hotel Transylvania 2, $48.4M) in one day! The huge trailer views and reports of pre-sales along the lines of comic book tentpoles panned out after all. This just shows August was so dead because of the movies that were(n't) released and the death of theaters isn't upon us (yet).

September 8–10, 2017 Estimates:

1 (N)  It   $117,150,000 | 4,103 Theaters | $28,552 Theaters | $35M Budget | $117,150,000      
2 (N)  Home Again   $9,028,222 | 2,940 Theaters | $3,071 Avg. | $15M Budget | $9,028,222  
3 (1)  The Hitman's Bodyguard   $4,850,000 | 3,322 Theaters | $1,460 Avg. | $30M Budget | $64,897,007      
4 (2)  Annabelle: Creation   $4,000,000 | 3,003 Theaters | $1,332 Avg. | $15M Budget | $96,267,010      
5 (3)  Wind River   $3,210,200 | 2,890 Theaters | $1,111 Avg. | $11M Budget | $25,002,192  
6 (4)  Leap!   $2,500,100 | 2,691 Theaters | $929 Avg. | $30M Budget | $15,874,536      
7 (7)  Spider-Man: Homecoming   $2,015,000 | 1,657 Theaters | $1,216 Avg. | $175M Budget | $327,702,794  
8 (6)  Dunkirk   $1,950,000 | 2,110 Theaters | $924 Avg. | $100M Budget | $183,110,279      
9 (5)  Logan Lucky   $1,826,425 | 2,167 Theaters | $843 Avg. | $29M Budget | $25,228,666      
10 (9)  The Emoji Movie   $1,060,000 | 1,450 Theaters | $731 Avg. | $50M Budget | $82,516,858  

9/11   $120,500 | 425 Theaters | $284 Avg. | $120,500
Rebel in the Rye   $44,280 | 4 Theaters | $11,070 Avg. | $44,280     
Twenty Two   $20,000 | 11 Theaters | $1,818 Avg. | $20,000  

Edited September 11, 2017 by Dejana

[methodwriter85]

The actual for It was apparently $123 million.

Wow. Bill Skarsgard, your life as you knew it is officially over.

[dusang]

49 minutes ago, methodwriter85 said:

The actual for It was apparently $123 million.

Wow. Bill Skarsgard, your life as you knew it is officially over.

Professionally.  But he's so unrecognizable in the role his personal life might not be too changed.

[Proclone]

On 9/6/2017 at 7:04 PM, Hybridcookie said:

Dane DeHaan always reminds me of Bill Skarsgård (who's playing Pennyswise in IT), every time I see a movie with him in, I have to sort of remind myself.

And speaking of Dane, I've just noticed he was in in True Blood for 3 episodes!

While I do see a bit of similarity if I squint.  Skarsgard is probably luckier to be more conventionally handsome than DeHann.  Also while I can't  quite put my finger on what it is about him that makes me feel this way, DeHann always gives me a creepy vibe, even when he's playing the hero.  Skarsgard can pull off the creepy (I haven't seen IT yet, but I liked him in Hemlock Grove), but I can see him playing a hero or main character without thinking he's secretly a serial killer the whole time, which is what constantly runs through my head when watching DeHann.

[dusang]

2 hours ago, Proclone said:

While I do see a bit of similarity if I squint.  Skarsgard is probably luckier to be more conventionally handsome than DeHann.  Also while I can't  quite put my finger on what it is about him that makes me feel this way, DeHann always gives me a creepy vibe, even when he's playing the hero.  Skarsgard can pull off the creepy (I haven't seen IT yet, but I liked him in Hemlock Grove), but I can see him playing a hero or main character without thinking he's secretly a serial killer the whole time, which is what constantly runs through my head when watching DeHann.

I guess I just did not find Bill Skarsgard that attractive in Hemlock Grove, so every time someone mentions him being gorgeous I'm like, "really?"  Someone on these boards said that recently and I did a Google image search and was like, "oh, yeah, he is good looking."  (He reminds me most strongly of Matthew Gray Gubler of Criminal Minds fame.) He just also has the capacity to look super creepy. But he was quietly delightful in Atomic Blonde (and very handsome), so clearly he's got range!

[Athena]

The Skarsgards get that creepy ability from Stellan who was not exactly bad looking as a young man, but both Bill and Alexander are more conventionally attractive than Stellan was their age. All of them have a creepy range. I can't speak for Gustaf Skarsgard or Valter Skarsgard as I haven't seen "Vikings" for the former and do not watch enough Scandinavian film/tv for the latter.

[Dejana]

Even the second weekend of It would shatter the old September opening weekend record. American Assassin has a decent debut and mother! earns the rare F CinemaScore (though it does have its champions). How much did audiences hate it?

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Another problem with Mother! is that Lawrence is playing against type as a frightened woman versus the heroic kickass we know her for in Hunger Games, Joy and American Hustle. Her fans, who turned out at 38%, didn’t appreciate that and gave her an ‘F’. Forty-three percent came out because they thought Mother! was a horror film, and they gave it an ‘F’. Females showed up at 56% with 82% over 25. Both demos gave Mother! an ‘F’. Aronofsky fans provided Mother! with its best score of C+, and they repped 10% of Friday night’s crowd.

Even a C+ is pretty bad by CinemaScore standards which shows that Aronofsky's fans were only so on board with this. I would love to know how he ever sold a major studio on funding/releasing something so out there.

September 15–17, 2017 Final Numbers:

1 (1)  It   $60,103,110 | 4,148 Theaters | $14,490 Avg. | $35M Budget | $218,813,729
2 (N)  American Assassin   $14,846,778 | 3,154 Theaters | $4,707 Avg. | $33M Budget | $14,846,778
3 (N)  mother!   $7,534,673 | 2,368 Theaters | $3,182 Avg. | $30M Budget | $7,534,673     
4 (2)  Home Again   $5,183,004 | 3,036 Theaters | $1,707 Avg. | $12M Budget | $16,984,088
5 (3)  The Hitman's Bodyguard   $3,588,883 | 3,272 Theaters  | $1,097 Avg. | $30M Budget | $70,395,923
6 (5)  Wind River   $2,572,397 | 2,619 Theaters | $982 Avg. | $11M Budget | $29,141,212
7 (4)  Annabelle: Creation   $2,411,319 | 2,117 Theaters | $1,139 Avg. | $15M Budget | $99,711,680
8 (6)  Leap!   $2,163,778 | 2,416 Theaters | $896 Avg. | $30M Budget | $18,705,564
9 (7)  Spider-Man: Homecoming   $1,858,740 | 1,436 Theaters | $1,294 Avg. | $175M Budget | $330,245,988
10 (8)  Dunkirk   $1,311,449 | 1,478 Theaters | $887 Avg. | $100M Budget | $185,148,101

Brad's Status   $89,92 | 4 Theaters | $22,480 Avg. | $89,921

 

International Box Office:

SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING:  $531M Overseas Total | $861M Global Total
DUNKIRK:  $323.2M Overseas Total | $508.3M Global Total
WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES:  $287.7M Overseas Total | $433.7M Global Total
IT:  $152.6M Overseas Total | $371.3M Global Total

AMERICAN ASSASSIN:  $6.2M Overseas Total | $21M Global Total
MOTHER!  $6M Overseas Total | $13.5M Global Total
VICTORIA AND ABDUL:  $4.7M Overseas & Global Total

Edited September 24, 2017 by Dejana
Updated rankings, final figures

[kiddo82]

Quote

54 minutes ago, Dejana said:

Forty-three percent came out because they thought Mother! was a horror film, and they gave it an ‘F’.

 

I wouldn't have given it an F but this was one of the main problems for me.  Not surprised that others went in expecting the same thing.

[AimingforYoko]

4 hours ago, Dejana said:

1 (1)  It   $60,000,000 | 4,148 Theaters | $14,465 Avg. | $35M Budget | $218,710,619     

So It made in its second weekend, what it was originally projected to make in its opening weekend. (Thoroughly checks the grammar of the preceding sentence....cautiously clicks the 'Submit Reply' button.)

[Tom Morvolo Riddle]

Yeah, I agree with you but the reason Wonder Woman made so much money because it's a superhero movie. Everyone likes superheroes and there is no way a parent is not going to take their children to see it. Look at Transformers. Most of the movies are downright idiotic but it still makes money because it's.....Transformers. So all popular comic book hero movies will make money period.

[Dejana]

I thought the drop for mother! would be worse, but it has its share of passionate supporters and Paramount has embraced the divisiveness. Friend Request finished filming three and a half years ago (March 2014) and was first released in Germany back in January 2016.

September 22–24, 2017 Final Numbers:

1 (N)  Kingsman: The Golden Circle   $39,023,010 | 4,003 Theaters | $9,748 Avg. | $104M Budget | $39,023,010
2 (1)  It   $29,757,494 | 4,007 Theaters | $7,426 Avg. | $35M Budget | $266,096,375
3 (N)  The LEGO Ninjago Movie   $20,433,071 | 4,047 Theaters | $5,049 Avg. | $70M Budget | $20,433,071
4 (2)  American Assassin   $6,255,617 | 3,154 Theaters | $1,983 Avg. | $33M Budget | $26,185,076
5 (3)  mother!   $3,290,780 | 2,368 Theaters | $1,390 Avg. | $30M Budget | $13,459,798

6 (4)  Home Again   $3,232,156 | 2,685 Theaters | $1,204 Avg. | $12M Budget | $22,267,987
7 (N)  Friend Request   $2,002,863 | 2,573 Theaters | $778 Avg. | $9.9M Budget | $2,002,863
8 (N)  Stronger   $1,611,040 | 573 Theaters | $2,812 Avg. | $30M Budget | $1,611,040
9 (5)  The Hitman's Bodyguard   $1,608,722 | 2,037 Theaters | $790 Avg. | $30M Budget | $73,356,701
10 (6)  Wind River   $1,257,881 | 1,431 Theaters | $879 Avg. | $11M Budget | $31,645,630

11 (9)  Spider-Man: Homecoming   $1,063,712 | 1,006 Theaters | $1,057 Avg. | $175M Budget | $331,857,374
12 (8)  Leap!   $959,668 | 1,301 Theaters | $738 Avg. | $30M Budget | $20,262,222
13 (33)  Brad's Status   $953,193 | 453 Theaters | $2,104 Avg. | $1,066,530
14 (7)  Annabelle: Creation   $727,734 | 682 Theaters | $1,067 Avg. | $15M Budget | $101,104,430
15 (10)  Dunkirk   $582,713 | 678 Theaters | $859 Avg. | $100M Budget | $186,292,020

Battle of the Sexes   $515,450 | 21 Theaters | $24,545 Avg. | $515,450     
Victoria and Abdul   $158,845 | 4 Theaters | $39,711 Avg. | $158,845
Loving Vincent   $23,180 | 1 Theater | $23,180 Avg. | $5.5M Budget | $23,180
Woodshock   12,247 | 3 Theaters | $4,082 Avg. | $12,247
Unrest   $10,607 | 1 Theater | $10,607 Avg. | $10,607

Edited September 30, 2017 by Dejana
updated numbers, rankings

[raezen]

7 hours ago, Dejana said:

I thought the drop for mother! would be worse, but it has its share of passionate supporters and Paramount has embraced the divisiveness. 

I thought it would be worse too, but I don't know if this means a greater part of the audience likes the movie they're seeing. Maybe they do now that people are aware it is not a typical horror.  Maybe people want to see if it's as bad as the cinema score it received, who knows. I do know there is a lot of talk about how much Jennifer Lawrence was paid for this, which I didn't believe Paramount would pay top billing for such a niche film but then they made a wide release so I don't know what their plan was. I don't know. If true there's no way the cost reported in is accurate. 

[Dejana]

19 minutes ago, raezen said:

I thought it would be worse too, but I don't know if this means a greater part of the audience likes the movie they're seeing. Maybe they do now that people are aware it is not a typical horror.  Maybe people want to see if it's as bad as the cinema score it received, who knows. I do know there is a lot of talk about how much Jennifer Lawrence was paid for this, which I didn't believe Paramount would pay top billing for such a niche film but then they made a wide release so I don't know what their plan was. I don't know. If true there's no way the cost reported in is accurate. 

For a long time the budget was reported to be much lower, $13 million. It's what Black Swan cost, and it's not unheard of for stars to take less upfront for prestige projects, especially ones that are not very mainstream. The trailers and clips showed it all happening in one house with just a few characters. Closer to the release date, the $30 million number started being reported, with stories about how Lawrence gets $15 million per movie, with Michelle Pfeiffer and Ed Harris's rates at $3-4 million each, plus they would have to pay the other actors and the crew. Paramount hasn't rushed to correct the stories, maybe because they have bigger fires to put out with this movie, or the real figure is even higher?

 

International Box Office:

DESPICABLE ME 3:  $757.8M Overseas Total | $1.019B Global Total
SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING:  $542.5M Overseas Total | $874.4M Global Total

IT:  $211.7M Overseas Total | $478M Global Total
WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES:  $325.4M Overseas Total | $469.7M Global Total
ALIEN: COVENANT:  $164.6M Overseas Total | $238.9M Global Total
BABY DRIVER:  $117.1M Overseas Total | $224.5M Global Total

THE EMOJI MOVIE:  $101.2M Overseas Total | $185.7M Global Total
GIRLS TRIP:  $19.6M Overseas Total | $134.4M Global Total
CAPTAIN UNDERPANTS: THE FIRST EPIC MOVIE:  $33.3M Overseas Total | $107.1M Global Total
KINGSMAN: THE GOLDEN CIRCLE:  $61.2M Overseas Total | $100.2M Global Total

ATOMIC BLONDE:  $44.1M Overseas Total | $95.6M Global Total
AMERICAN MADE:  $58.6M Overseas & Global Total
THE LEGO NINJAGO MOVIE:  $10.5 Overseas Total | $31.7M Global Total

MOTHER!  $12.5M Overseas Total | $25.9M Global Total
THE BEGUILED:  $14.7M Overseas Total | $25.2M Global Total
VICTORIA AND ABDUL:  $12.4M Overseas & Global Total

[Dejana]

A close race at the top! The rankings could change with the final numbers tomorrow. The last movie to return to #1 after being displaced is The Martian in its fourth weekend back in 2015, reclaiming the top spot after the Goosebumps movie had it one weekend.

 

September 29 – October 1, 2017 Estimates:

1 (2)  It   $17,310,000 | 3,917 Theaters | $4,419 Avg. | $35M Budget | $291,182,790      
2 (N)  American Made   $17,016,000 | 3,024 Theaters | $5,627 Avg. | $50M Budget | $17,016,000      
3 (1)  Kingsman: The Golden Circle   $17,000,000 | 4,038 Theaters | $4,210 Avg. | $104M Budget | $66,701,588  
4 (3)  The LEGO Ninjago Movie   $12,000,000 | 4,047 Theaters | $2,965 Avg. | $70M Budget | $35,556,065  
5 (N)  Flatliners (2017)   $6,700,000 | 2,552 Theaters | $2,625 Avg. | $19M Budget | $6,700,000

6 (16)  Battle of the Sexes   $3,400,000 | 1,213 Theaters | $2,803 Avg. | $25M Budget | $4,073,158  
7 (4)  American Assassin   $3,325,000 | 3,020 Theaters | $1,101 Avg. | $33M Budget | $31,873,581      
8 (6)  Home Again   $1,756,372 | 2,370 Theaters | $741 Avg. | $12M Budget | $25,181,947      
9 (N)  Til Death Do Us Part   $1,567,966 | 562 Theaters | $2,790 Avg. | $1,567,966  
10 (5)  mother!   $1,460,000 | 1,840 Theaters | $793 Avg. | $30M Budget | $16,320,846      

11 (N)  A Question Of Faith   $1,050,000 | 661 Theaters | $1,589 Avg. | $1,050,000      
12 (26)  Victoria and Abdul   $1,031,000 | 77 Theaters | $13,390 Avg. | $1,252,345      
13 (8)  Stronger   $986,560 | 645 Theaters | $1,530 Avg. | $30M Budget | $3,228,637  
14 (7)  Friend Request   $800,000 | 2,081 Theaters | $384 Avg. | $9.9M Budget | $3,482,958  
15 (9)  The Hitman's Bodyguard   $715,000 | 1,119 Theaters | $639 Avg. | $30M Budget | $74,660,128  

Judwaa 2   $605,000 | 192 Theaters | $3,151 Avg. | $9.95M Budget | $605,000      
Pearl Jam - Let's Play Two   $55,274 | 5 Theaters | $11,055 Avg. | $55,274      
Mark Felt: The Man Who Brought Down the White House   $35,138 | 5 Theaters | $7,028 Avg. | $35,138  

Te Ata   $28,640 | 14 Theaters | $2,046 Avg. | $28,640
Take Every Wave: The Life of Liard Hamilton   $13,819 | 1 Theaters | $13,819 Avg. | $13,819
Lucky   $9,200 | 5 Theaters | $1,840 Avg. | $9,200        

Edited October 1, 2017 by Dejana

[memememe76]

Home Again doubling its budget has to be good, right? More romcoms!!!

[Dejana]

The Top 3 movies flipflop with the final numbers. The closest photo finish Box Office Mojo has on record was just $5,966 between the Top 2 movies back in March 1993.

 

September 29 – October 1, 2017 Box Office:

1.  Kingsman: The Golden Circle  — $16,935,565
2.  It — $16,902,442
3.  American Made — $16,776,390
4.  The LEGO Ninjago Movie — $11,644,237
5.  Flatliners (2017) — $6,574,326
6.  Battle of the Sexes —  $3,417,342
7.  American Assassin — $3,315,644
8.  Home Again — $1,726,563
9.  Til Death Do Us Part — $1,527,289
10.  mother! — $1,449,378
11.  Victoria and Abdul —  $1,092,204
12.  A Question Of Faith — $1,025,489
13.  Stronger —  $922,923
14.  Friend Request —  $728,065
15.  The Hitman's Bodyguard — $679,375

 

International Box Office:

DESPICABLE ME 3:  $760.1M Overseas Total | $1.022B Global Total

IT:  $262M Overseas Total | $553.1M Global Total
WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES:  $334.6M Overseas Total |  $480.7M Global Total
CARS 3:  $215.4M Overseas Total | $367.9M Global Total

HIDDEN FIGURES:  $62.9M Overseas Total | $232.2M Global Total
A DOG’S PURPOSE:  $131.9M Overseas Total | $196.2M Global Total (just opened in Japan!)
THE EMOJI MOVIE:  $108.4M Overseas Total | $193.8M Global Total
KINGSMAN: THE GOLDEN CIRCLE:  126.2M Overseas Total | $192.9M Global Total

GIRLS TRIP:  $20.6M Overseas Total | $135.6M Global Total
CAPTAIN UNDERPANTS: THE FIRST EPIC MOVIE:  $36.5M Overseas Total | $110.8M Global Total
AMERICAN MADE:  $64.7M Overseas Total | $81.7M Global Total
THE LEGO NINJAGO MOVIE:  $22.7M | $62.8M Global Total

MOTHER!  $18.5M Overseas Total | $35.7M Global Total
THE BEGUILED:  $16.1M Overseas Total | $26.7M Global Total
THE FOREIGNER:  $23.16M Overseas & Global Total
VICTORIA AND ABDUL:  $19.3M Overseas Total | $20.6M Global Total
FLATLINERS:  $3.1M Overseas | $11.1M Global Total

Edited October 6, 2017 by Dejana

[Dejana]

October 6–8, 2017 Estimates:

1 (N)  Blade Runner 2049   $31,525,000  |  4,058 Theaters | $7,769 Avg. | $150M Budget | $31,525,000
2 (N)  The Mountain Between Us   $10,100,000 | 3,088 Theaters | $3,271 Avg. | $35M Budget  | $10,100,000
3 (2)  It   $9,655,000 | 3,605 Theaters | $2,678 Avg. | $35M Budget | $304,933,478
4 (N)  My Little Pony: The Movie   $8,800,000 | 2,528 Theaters | $3,481 Avg. | $8,800,000
5 (1)  Kingsman: The Golden Circle   $8,100,000 |  3,488 Theaters | $2,322 Avg. | $104M Budget | $79,964,425

6 (3)  American Made   $8,073,000 | 3,031    Theaters | $2,663 Avg. | $50M Budget | $30,444,960
7 (4)  The LEGO Ninjago Movie   $6,750,000 | 3,611 Theaters | $1,869 Avg. | $70M Budget | $43,823,663
8 (11)  Victoria and Abdul   $4,142,000 | 732 Theaters | $5,658 Avg. | $5,958,394
9 (5)  Flatliners (2017)   $3,800,000 | 2,552 Theaters | $1,489 Avg. | $19M Budget | $12,329,602
10 (6)  Battle of the Sexes   $2,400,000 | 1,822 Theaters | $1,317 Avg. | $25M Budget | $7,677,575

11 (7)  American Assassin   $1,375,000 | 1,656 Theaters | $830 Avg. | $33M Budget | $34,436,277
12 (9)  Til Death Do Us Part   $731,623 | 550 Theaters | $1,330 Avg. | $2,640,645
13 (N)  The Stray   $550,000 | 640 Theaters | $859 Avg. | $550,000
14 (8)  Home Again   $529,902 | 1,003 Theaters | $528 Avg. | $12M Budget | $26,315,248
15 (12)  A Question Of Faith   $435,000 | 608 Theaters | $715 Avg. | $1,770,256

The Florida Project   $153,342 | 4 Theaters | $38,336 Avg. | $153,342
Faces Places   $29,807 | 5 Theaters | $5,961 Avg. | $29,807
Chavela   $20,500 | 4 Theaters | $5,125 Avg. | $24,553

 

International Box Office:

DESPICABLE ME 3:   $762.2M Overseas | $1.025B Global Total

IT:  $298.8M Overseas Total | $603.7M Global Total
WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES:  $338.3M Overseas Total | $484.8M Global Total
CARS 3:  $221.5M Overseas Total | $374.1M Global Total

KINGSMAN: THE GOLDEN CIRCLE:  $173.6M overseas Total | $253M Global Total
THE EMOJI MOVIE:  $114.7M Overseas Total | $199.6M Global Total
A DOG'S PURPOSE:  $134.1M Overseas Total | $198.4M Global Total
CAPTAIN UNDERPANTS: THE FIRST EPIC MOVIE:    $40M Overseas Total | $113.9M Global Total

BLADE RUNNER 2049: $50.2M Overseas Total | $81.7M Global Total
THE LEGO NINJAGO MOVIE:  $33.6M Overseas Total | $77.4M Global Total
THE FOREIGNER:  $67M Overseas & Global Total

MOTHER!  $21.8M Overseas Total | $39M Global Total
VICTORIA AND ABDUL:   $25M Overseas Total | $31M Global Total
JUDWAA 2:  $22.3M Overseas Total | $23.4M Global Total

FLATLINERS:  $6M Overseas Total | $18.3M Global Total
THE MOUNTAIN BETWEEN US:  $3.6M Overseas Total | $13.7M Global Total
MY LITTLE PONY: THE MOVIE:  $3.8M Overseas Total | $12.6M Global Total

[Silver Raven]

Is Blade Runner going to make its budget back?

[Dejana]

1 hour ago, Silver Raven said:

Is Blade Runner going to make its budget back?

I doubt it but it depends on the global take, this story from Deadline says they've heard the break-even point is $400M worldwide but it may be slightly less depending on the actual budget (a tricky thing to nail down at times). The tracking was in the mid-$40 million range which would have been Mad Max: Fury Road territory ($154M US / $378M worldwide). Unfortunately 2049 is following the footsteps of the original Blade Runner in being a box office disappointment.

[starri]

Which raises the question about why they decided it required a sequel 35 years later.

Don't get me wrong, despite my opinion that it's not actually a very good movie, it's beautiful to look at.  But it's a cult film.  That's the opposite of a big blockbuster, so I don't understand why they needed a big blockbuster budget, unless Sony thought it would give them a franchise.

[Irlandesa]

6 hours ago, starri said:

Which raises the question about why they decided it required a sequel 35 years later.

Reboots are hot right now because having a known property helps with promotion.  Blade Runner flopped originally but it has reached cult status through critical recognition and home video.  Plus, sci fi is also having a moment. 

So I get why they took a risk on a sequel.  I could never get into the original but it seems like the critical support is there for this one too.  But I think the real question should be why did the studio think it merited a 150-180 million dollar budget and a three hour run time.  3 hours is going to limit the number of screenings that can be offered and limit the number of people who are going to want to see that in a theater.

[absnow54]

Out of curiosity, are there any examples of cult classic sequels that went on to find mainstream success? I mean if they couldn't make Blade Runner happen in 1982-- during the peak of Harrison Ford's career, were they ever going to make it happen?

[greenbean]

Yeah. I remember being puzzled by this when it was announced. It seemed strange, as did their decision to rest so much on the appeal of Ryan Gosling. Well it seemed that way to me anyway. The lore and story of 2049 was not promoted at all, it was mostly about Ryan being the new lead.

I had to watch Blade Runner in class many years ago. Can't say I enjoyed it, but I appreciate its significance to the genre. I think Total Recall would have been a better bet.

[Trini]

5 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Out of curiosity, are there any examples of cult classic sequels that went on to find mainstream success? I mean if they couldn't make Blade Runner happen in 1982-- during the peak of Harrison Ford's career, were they ever going to make it happen?

Would Terminator 2 count?

[Joe]

6 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Out of curiosity, are there any examples of cult classic sequels that went on to find mainstream success? I mean if they couldn't make Blade Runner happen in 1982-- during the peak of Harrison Ford's career, were they ever going to make it happen?

Mad Max Fury Road?

[Dejana]

20 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Reboots are hot right now because having a known property helps with promotion.  Blade Runner flopped originally but it has reached cult status through critical recognition and home video.  Plus, sci fi is also having a moment. 

So I get why they took a risk on a sequel.  I could never get into the original but it seems like the critical support is there for this one too.  But I think the real question should be why did the studio think it merited a 150-180 million dollar budget and a three hour run time.  3 hours is going to limit the number of screenings that can be offered and limit the number of people who are going to want to see that in a theater.

2049 was a co-production with Alcon Entertainment, whose other nine-figure misses this decade include Transcendence and the Point Break remake. A new Blade Runner makes slightly more sense than either of those but none is a great idea at such a high cost.

 

16 hours ago, greenbean said:

Yeah. I remember being puzzled by this when it was announced. It seemed strange, as did their decision to rest so much on the appeal of Ryan Gosling. Well it seemed that way to me anyway. The lore and story of 2049 was not promoted at all, it was mostly about Ryan being the new lead.

I had to watch Blade Runner in class many years ago. Can't say I enjoyed it, but I appreciate its significance to the genre. I think Total Recall would have been a better bet.

It just got rebooted in 2012. Using the Spider-Man timeline, I guess it's not too soon try it again? :)

 

13 hours ago, Trini said:

Would Terminator 2 count?

Box Office Mojo says The Terminator was #21 movie for 1984 (between Red Dawn and City Heat).  It was a success relative to its budget ($78.3M worldwide on a $6.4M budget) though nothing on Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the top movie of 1991. It had a much bigger budget ($102M) due to then-cutting edge technology that really paid off with audiences ($522M worldwide).

 

12 hours ago, Joe said:

Mad Max Fury Road?

It's probably the closest comparison though Mad Max was already a franchise and MM:FR was probably an easier sell as a generic action movie.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Dejana

[absnow54]

Mad Max Fury Road?

For some reason I thought the first one was a bigger movie than it actually was (only $8mil box office!) So yes, I think that's an apt comparison. I think the foreign market embraced Blade Runner before it gained cult standing in the US, so maybe the international box office will help it break even.

[Joe]

1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

For some reason I thought the first one was a bigger movie than it actually was (only $8mil box office!) So yes, I think that's an apt comparison. I think the foreign market embraced Blade Runner before it gained cult standing in the US, so maybe the international box office will help it break even.

It ended up becoming the most profitable movie ever until Blair Witch came along. But where do you get $8 million from? Wikipedia says $100 million, but that may be counting the video and TV money.

But I don't think Blade Runner will manage that, unless it suddenly develops into a major cult classic.

[absnow54]

But where do you get $8 million from? Wikipedia says $100 million, but that may be counting the video and TV money.

I was looking at Box Office Mojo, which probably isn't very accurate, since it only includes the domestic box office, when it obviously made some money in Australia.

[Dejana]

Box Office Mojo's info international data can be a bit more limited about 1970s but the movie wasn't a huge hit in America at first. Wikipedia's article on Mad Max 2 has info about that:
 

Quote

 

When Mad Max was released in 1980 in the United States, it did not receive a proper release from its distributor, American International Pictures. AIP was in the final stages of a change of ownership after being bought by Filmways, Inc. a year earlier. AIP's problems affected the release of the film and its box office in the US, although Mad Max proved much more successful when released internationally. Warner Bros. decided to release Mad Max 2 in the United States, but they recognised that the first film was not popular in North America. Although the original Mad Max was becoming popular through cable channel showings, Warner Bros. decided to change the name of its sequel to The Road Warrior. The advertising for the film, including print ads, trailers, and TV commercials, did not refer to the Max character at all, and all shied away from the fact that the film was a sequel. For the majority of viewers, their first inkling of Road Warrior being a sequel to Mad Max was when they saw the black and white, archival footage from the previous film, during the prologue.

The film was a commercial success, earning $3.7 million in rentals in Australia. As The Road Warrior in North America, it was a greater success. The film earned $11.3 million in rentals and $23.6 million in grosses. Vestron Video capitalized by releasing Mad Max on video and subtitling it "the thrilling predecessor to The Road Warrior." Despite the title change, grosses from the US release were on par with other countries. Warner Bros. felt comfortable to keep the title of the third Mad Max film, Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, intact for that film's American release.

 

[Dejana]

October 12–14, 2017 Estimates:

1 (N)  Happy Death Day   $26,500,000 | 3,149 Theaters | $8,415 Avg. | $4.8M Budget | $26,500,000
2 (1)  Blade Runner 2049   $15,100,000 | 4,058 Theaters | $3,721 Avg. | $150M Budget | $60,578,387
3 (N)  The Foreigner   $12,840,000 | 2,515 Theaters | $5,105 Avg. | $35M Budget | $12,840,000     
4 (3)  It   $6,050,000 | 3,176 Theaters | $1,905 Avg. | $35M Budget | $314,929,521     
5 (2)  The Mountain Between Us   $5,650,000 | 3,259 Theaters | $1,734 Avg. | $35M Budget | $20,502,922

6 (6)  American Made   $5,423,000 | 3,098 Theaters | $1,750 Avg. | $50M Budget | $40,152,865
7 (5)  Kingsman: The Golden Circle   $5,315,000 | 2,982 Theaters | $1,782 Avg. | $104M Budget | $89,652,040     
8 (7)  The LEGO Ninjago Movie   $4,315,000 | 3,053 Theaters | $1,413 Avg. | $70M Budget | $51,577,689     
9 (4)  My Little Pony: The Movie   $4,000,000 | 2,528 Theaters | $1,582 Avg. | $15,513,434     
10 (8)  Victoria and Abdul   $3,115,000 | 900 Theaters | $3,461 Avg. | $11,341,944

11 (N)  Marshall   $3,039,070 | 821 Theaters | $3,702 Avg. | $12M Budget | $3,039,070     
12 (9)  Flatliners (2017)   $1,500,000 | 1,983 Theaters | $756 Avg. | $19M Budget | $15,627,971
13 (10)  Battle of the Sexes   $1,375,000 | 1,394 Theaters | $986 Avg. | $25M Budget | $10,389,198
14 (N)  Professor Marston & the Wonder Women   $737,000 | 1,229 Theaters | $600 Avg. | $737,000     
15 (11)  American Assassin   $525,000 | 820 Theaters | $640 Avg. | $33M Budget | $35,607,509     

American Satan   $132,000 | 55 Theaters | $2,400 Avg. | $132,000     
Goodbye Christopher Robin   $55,800 | 9 Theaters | $6,200 Avg. | $55,800
Human Flow   $47,000 | 3 Theaters | $15,667 Avg. | $47,000
Breathe   $26,254 | 4 Theaters | $6,564 Avg. | $26,254
WASTED! The Story of Food Waste   $15,552 | 11 Theaters | $1,414 Avg. | $15,552

[Dejana]

October 20–22, 2017 Estimates:

1 (N)  Tyler Perry's Boo 2! A Madea Halloween   $21,650,000 | 2,388 Theaters | $9,066 Avg. | $25M Budget | $21,650,000  
2 (N)  Geostorm   $13,300,000 | 3,246 Theaters | $4,097 Avg. | $120M Budget | $13,300,000
3 (1)  Happy Death Day   $9,375,000 | 3,298 Theaters | $2,843 Avg. | $4.8M Budget | $40,683,365     
4 (2)  Blade Runner 2049   $7,155,000  | 3,203 Theaters | $2,234 Avg. | $150M Budget | $74,005,203      
5 (N)  Only The Brave   $6,010,000 | 2,577 Theaters | $2,332 Avg. | $38M Budget | $6,010,000      

6 (3)  The Foreigner   $5,450,000 | 2,515 Theaters | $2,167 Avg. | $35M Budget | $22,844,253      
7 (4)  It   $3,500,000 | 2,560 Theaters | $1,367 Avg. | $35M Budget | $320,234,616      
8 (N)  The Snowman   $3,442,000 | 1,812 Theaters | $1,900 Avg. | $35M Budget | $3,442,000  
9 (6)  American Made   $3,162,000 | 2,559 Theaters | $1,236 Avg. | $50M Budget | $45,503,735      
10 (7)  Kingsman: The Golden Circle   $3,000,000 | 2,318 Theaters | $1,294 Avg. | $104M Budget | $94,568,932  

11 (5)  The Mountain Between Us   $2,750,000 | 3,151 Theaters | $873 Avg. | $35M Budget | $25,528,885      
12 (N)  Same Kind of Different as Me   $2,560,000 | 1,362 Theaters | $1,880 Avg. | $2,560,000      
13 (8)  The LEGO Ninjago Movie   $2,226,261 | 2,102 Theaters | $1,059 Avg/. | $70M Budget | $54,709,763
14 (10)  Victoria & Abdul   $2,126,115 | 1,060 Theaters | $2,006 Avg. | $14,836,649
15 (9)  My Little Pony: The Movie   $1,945,000 | 2,301 Theaters | $845 Avg. | $18,474,599      

Marshall   $1,509,821 | 821 Theaters | $1,839 Avg. | $5,461,812
Golmaal Again   $1,008,752 | 265 Theaters | $15.4M Budget | $3,807 Avg. | $1,008,752  
The Florida Project   $636,615 | 112 Theaters | $5,684 Avg. | $2M Budget | $1,375,238

Breathe   $155,925 | 315 Theaters | $495 Avg. | $187,718  
Goodbye Christopher Robin   $153,000 | 61 Theaters | $2,508 Avg. | $232,505      
The Killing of a Sacred Deer   $114,585 | 4 Theaters | $28,646 Avg. | $114,585

Wonderstruck   $68,762 | 4 Theaters | $17,191 Avg. | $68,762      
Jane (2017)   $55,712 | 3 Theaters | $18,571 Avg. | $55,712  
Tragedy Girls   $10,677 | 2 Theaters | $5,339 Avg. | $10,677      

 

 

International Box Office:

DESPICABLE ME 3:  $765.4M Overseas Total | $1.028B Global Total

IT:  $331.4M Overseas Total | $651.6M Global Total
WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES:  $343.4M Overseas Total | $490.1M Global Total

CARS 3:  $225.4M Overseas Total | $378.4M Global Total
KINGSMAN:THE GOLDEN CIRCLE:  $250.3M Overseas Total | $344M Global Total
ANNABELLE: CREATION:  $201.2M Overseas Total | $303.1M Global Total
THE EMOJI MOVIE:  $121.8M Overseas Total | $207.3M Global Total

BLADE RUNNER 2049:  $120.1M Overseas Total | $194.1M Global Total
AMERICAN MADE:  $75.8M Overseas Total | $121.3M Global Total
CAPTAIN UNDERPANTS: THE FIRST EPIC MOVIE:  $45.1M Global Total | $118.9M Global Total
THE FOREIGNER:  $94.9M Overseas Total | $117.7M Global Total
THE LEGO NINJAGO MOVIE:  $51.5M Overseas Total | $106.1M Global Total

ATOMIC BLONDE:  $45.1M Overseas Total | $96.6M Global Total
GEOSTORM:  $49.6M Overseas Total | $62.9M Global Total
HAPPY DEATH DAY:  $12.9M Overseas Total | $53.6M Global Total

VICTORIA & ABDUL:  $31.3M Overseas Total | $46.1M Global Total
MOTHER!  $24.8M Overseas Total | $42.5M Global Total
THE MOUNTAIN BETWEEN US:  $14M Overseas Total | $39.5M Global Total
MY LITTLE PONY: THE MOVIE:  $17.2M | $35.6M Global Total
THE SNOWMAN:  $19.2M Overseas Total | $22.6M Global Total

Edited October 29, 2017 by Dejana

[xaxat]

Is there a director who has a better historical return on investment than Tyler Perry?

[AimingforYoko]

56 minutes ago, xaxat said:

Is there a director who has a better historical return on investment than Tyler Perry?

You gotta figure even Perry's tired of Madea, but he's gotta pay those bills.

[Silver Raven]

16 minutes ago, AimingforYoko said:

You gotta figure even Perry's tired of Madea, but he's gotta pay those bills.

A Madea Family funeral comes out next year.

[Dejana]

October 27–29, 2017 Estimates:

1 (N)  Jigsaw   $16,250,000 | 2,941 Theaters | $5,525 Avg. | $10M Budget | $16,250,000     
2 (1)  Tyler Perry's Boo 2! A Madea Halloween   $10,000,000 | 2,388 Theaters | $4,188 Avg.| $25M Budget | $35,521,643
3 (2)  Geostorm   $5,675,000 | 3,246 Theaters | $1,748 Avg. | $120M Budget | $23,553,368     
4 (3)  Happy Death Day   $5,099,000 | 3,535 Theaters | $1,442 Avg. | $4.8M Budget | $48,393,525
5 (4)  Blade Runner 2049   $3,965,000 | 2,421 Theaters | $1,638 Avg. | $150M Budget | $81,385,785     

6 (N)  Thank You for Your Service   $3,702,000 | 2,054 Theaters | $1,802 Avg. | $20M Budget | $3,702,000
7 (5)  Only The Brave   $3,450,000 | 2,577 Theaters | $1,339 Avg. | $38M Budget | $11,940,057     
8 (6)  The Foreigner   $3,210,000 | 2,505 Theaters | $1,281 Avg. | $35M Budget | $28,827,318     
9 (N)  Suburbicon   $2,800,000 | 2,046 Theaters | $1,369 Avg. | $25M Budget | $2,800,000     
10 (7)  It   $2,465,000 | 2,560 Theaters | $963 Avg. | $35M Budget | $323,730,202     

11 (N)  Let There be Light   $1,891,417 | 373 Theaters | $5,071 Avg. | $1,891,417
12 (9)  American Made   $1,695,000 | 1,558 Theaters | $1,088 Avg. | $50M Budget | $48,500,200     
13 (14)  Victoria & Abdul   $1,612,000 | 1,044 Theaters | $1,544 Avg. | $17,712,239     
14 (10)  Kingsman: The Golden Circle   $1,600,000 | 1,489 Theaters | $1,075 Avg. | $104M Budget | $97,288,878     
15 (11)  The Mountain Between Us   $1,300,000 | 2,029 Theaters | $641 Avg. | $35M Budget | $28,021,843

The Florida Project   $539,234 | 145 Theaters | $3,719 Avg. | $2M Budget | $2,149,007     
Loving Vincent   $449,453 | 161 Theaters | $2,792 Avg, | $5.5M Budget | $2,108,000     
All I See is You   $135,504 | 283 Theaters | $479 Avg. | $30M Budget | $135,504
The Square   $76,000 | 2 Theaters | $38,000 Avg. | $76,000
Novitiate   $22,577 | 3 Theaters | $7,526 Avg. | $22,577     
Amityville: The Awakening*  $742 | 10 Theaters | $74 Avg. | $742

*From The Weinstein Company/Dimension, it was filmed in 2014 and released for free on Google Play a couple of weeks ago. Movie releases obviously aren't exactly their priority now!

[Ohwell]

I'm glad Suburbicon tanked.  I don't have a problem with Matt Damon taking the paycheck.  However, I'm sick and tired of Clooney, and the Coen brothers have made some interesting movies but they aren't the cinematic geniuses that they think they are.   I'm also tired of the media blowing smoke up their arses.

[Silver Raven]

1 hour ago, Ohwell said:

I'm glad Suburbicon tanked.  I don't have a problem with Matt Damon taking the paycheck.  However, I'm sick and tired of Clooney, and the Coen brothers have made some interesting movies but they aren't the cinematic geniuses that they think they are.   I'm also tired of the media blowing smoke up their arses.

Well, the reviews weren't very good.

[Spartan Girl]

Screw the Coens. They've always been overrated. Folksy suburbanites are secretly evil, WE GET IT ALREADY!

[Ohwell]

1 hour ago, Silver Raven said:

Well, the reviews weren't very good.

About this movie, no they weren't, but I'm talking about in the past. 

[Irlandesa]

This is a script written in 1986.  There's probably a reason the Coens hadn't produced or directed it for 30 years.

[raezen]

I figured that it was in trouble because the trailer I saw didn't seem to be advertising the film I heard Damon and Clooney talking about at TIFF. 

Edited October 30, 2017 by raezen

[xaxat]

16 hours ago, Dejana said:

Amityville: The Awakening*  $742 | 10 Theaters | $74 Avg. | $742

An Amityville sequel? Even before the sexual predator accusations, it looks like Weinstein's companies were swirling down the drain.

[benteen]

Ah, George Clooney...proof positive that you can be a movie star despite having 99.9% of your films bomb at the box office.

[Dejana]

November 3–5, 2017 Final Numbers:

1 (N)  Thor: Ragnarok   $122,744,989 | 4,080 Theaters | $30,085 Avg. | $180M Budget | $122,744,989     
2 (N)  A Bad Moms Christmas   $16,759,161 | 3,615 Theaters | $4,636 Avg. | $28M Budget | $21,285,267
3 (1)  Jigsaw   $6,558,146 | 2,941 Theaters | $2,230 Avg. | $10M Budget | $28,694,617
4 (2)  Tyler Perry's Boo 2! A Madea Halloween   $4,541,190 | 2,202 Theaters | $2,062 Avg. | $25M Budget | $42,849,613
5 (3)  Geostorm   $3,194,031 | 2,666 Theaters | $1,198 Avg. | $120M Budget | $28,929,372

6 (4)  Happy Death Day   $2,699,715 | 2,184 Theaters | $1,236 Avg. | $4.8M Budget | $52,853,220
7 (5)  Blade Runner 2049   $2,321,372 | 1,464 Theaters | $1,586 Avg. | $150M Budget | $85,542,502
8 (6)  Thank You for Your Service   $2,207,855 | 2,083 Theaters | $1,060 Avg. | $20M Budget | $7,302,585
9 (7)  Only The Brave   $1,920,075 | 2,073 Theaters | $926 Avg. | $38M Budget | $15,300,542  
10 (11)  Let there Be Light   1,697,448 | 642 Theaters | $2,644 Avg. | $4,089,804

11 (8)  The Foreigner   $1,596,414 | 1,456 Theaters | $1,096 Avg. | $35M Budget | $31,994,397
12 (13)  Victoria & Abdul   $1,206,935 | 796 Theaters | $1,516 Avg. | $19,861,654    
13 (9)  Suburbicon   $1,185,036 | 2,046 Theaters | $579 Avg. | $25M Budget | $5,081,606
14 (N)  LBJ*   $1,110,565 | 659 Theaters | $1,685 Avg. | $36M Budget | $1,110,565    
15 (10)  It   $1,001,288 | 1,081 Theaters | $926 Avg. | $35M Budget | $325,879,722
 

The Florida Project   $633,735 | 189 Theaters | $3,353 Avg. | $2M Budget | $2,996,678
Loving Vincent   $601,290 | 205 Theaters | $2,933 Avg. | $5.5M Budget | $3,044,420    
The Killing of a Sacred Deer    $393,040 | 86 Theaters | $4,570 Avg. | $899,965    

Lady Bird**   $364,437 | 4 Theaters | $91,109 Avg. | $364,437 (highest per-theater average of the year, so far)    
ITTEFAQ   $298,032 | 67 Theaters | $4,448 Avg. | $298,032
The Snowman   $153,000 | 524 Theaters | $292 Avg. | $35M Budget | $6,526,280  

Blade of the Immortal   $49,569 | 30 Theaters | $1,652 Avg. | $49,569
Last Flag Flying   $40,558 | 4 Theaters | $10,140 Avg. | $40,558     
My Friend Dahmer   $35,545 | 4 Theaters | $8,886 Avg. | $35,545

Wait For Your Laugh   $17,600 | 2 Theaters | $8,800 Avg. | $17,600  
1945   $14,412 | 2 Theaters | $7,206 Avg. | $20,634
Bad Grandmas  $3,410 | 1 Theater | $3,410 Avg. | $3,410 (trailer)

*About Lyndon Johnson
**Not about Lady Bird Johnson

Edited November 7, 2017 by Dejana

[xaxat]

The info is interesting, as it usually is. But this like is for the footnote.

[Silver Raven]

Gee, I may go see Bad Grandmas.  :)