Season One Talk: FFwSB

[atomationage]

I didn't realize Ailes went all the way back to Nixon.  It figures.   "Used hate salesman" was great.  "Extra white nonsense" on the sandwich was good too, and I like a lot of mayonnaise.   "Ratings matter more than brown people" was a good take on NBC's crap.   Jimmy Fallon is on my shit list now.  

Sam Bee, John Oliver, and Trevor Noah are the real newscasters now.  Network news has become a joke since we have to listen to the Drumpfster fire as though whatever nonsense he has to say is news.  I'm glad they seem to be turning on him, after he wanted them to look at his meat in the hotel, but I'm not counting on it.  I'm praying for a lightning strike. 

[StatMom]

Sam's "Fuck YOU" paired with Colbert's invitation to Trump to do ... sexual things is the perfect catharsis in this craziest of crazy seasons.

[lookeyloo]

1 hour ago, atomationage said:

I didn't realize Ailes went all the way back to Nixon.  It figures.   "Used hate salesman" was great.  "Extra white nonsense" on the sandwich was good too, and I like a lot of mayonnaise.   "Ratings matter more than brown people" was a good take on NBC's crap.   Jimmy Fallon is on my shit list now.  

Sam Bee, John Oliver, and Trevor Noah are the real newscasters now.  Network news has become a joke since we have to listen to the Drumpfster fire as though whatever nonsense he has to say is news.  I'm glad they seem to be turning on him, after he wanted them to look at his meat in the hotel, but I'm not counting on it.  I'm praying for a lightning strike. 

Don't overlook Seth Meyers. His bits at the beginning of the show are really very good.

[atomationage]

I like Seth Meyers, and I thought his most recent Drumpf birther rant was good, but he has tried to claim before that both candidates are equally bad.  I agree with SBee:

On 9/13/2016 at 8:11 PM, BookThief said:

a tax-cheating, investor-swindling, worker-shafting, dictator-loving, pathologically-lying, attorneys general bribing, philandering, mobbed up, narcissistic serial con artist who hasn't got the attention span to read a fortune cookie much less a fucking intelligence briefing. But, on the other hand, Hillary Clinton used a private email server. See, perfectly even!" -Samantha Bee

[peeayebee]

I couldn't believe when Trump said that Hillary started the birther business. I guess I really need to stop saying "I can't believe" when it comes to anything he says. Still, certainly not all his supporters have fallen for that lie, right? I'm curious what my BIL thinks about this specifically, but I really hate to talk to him about politics.

I'm glad Sam is doing her show next Wednesday so she and her staff can respond to debate. 

[atomationage]

Just now, peeayebee said:

 

I'm glad Sam is doing her show next Wednesday so she and her staff can respond to debate. 

I dread the debate.  My only hope is for the comedians.   Today's ABC news has Kathleen Kennedy saying that GHWBush(41st POTUS) is voting for Hillary.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUMW3Jek7Y8

[cattykit]

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

I couldn't believe when Trump said that Hillary started the birther business. I guess I really need to stop saying "I can't believe" when it comes to anything he says. Still, certainly not all his supporters have fallen for that lie, right? I'm curious what my BIL thinks about this specifically, but I really hate to talk to him about politics.

I have a FB friend who keeps spouting that shit.  And posting it to my page, which I keep deleting.

I'm still mad at Sam as well as John Oliver for taking so much time off this summer when we needed their voices to be loud, clear, and constant.

9 hours ago, Victor the Crab said:

Especially when the only debate prep work he and his team have done has been to sit around and eat bacon cheeseburgers. He's already whining about Anderson Cooper being one of the moderators. Samantha may be a wee bit paranoid here.

I am a little bit concerned that they may be putting out a false message that The Donald isn't preparing, in order to 1) lower expectations for Drumpf, and 2) lull HRC into a false sense of security.  I don't think Samantha's Bee-ing paranoid at all.

Also not sure that the interview with the superdelegate lobbyist was the most important thing she could have covered this week. 

[attica]

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

Still, certainly not all his supporters have fallen for that lie, right?

My worst fear is not that his supporters have fallen for it, but that they just don't care. Lies are fine if it smears the other guy!

[atomationage]

I think Drumpf's followers are just "here we are now, entertain us".   The "legitimate" news covering this entertainment for ratings disgusts me.    Samantha Bee and the other Jon Stewart alums do the hard work and research.  I just wish Lewis Black had a show. 

[peeayebee]

53 minutes ago, cattykit said:

Also not sure that the interview with the superdelegate lobbyist was the most important thing she could have covered this week. 

Yeah, that was a waste of time, though I have to admit that my mind wandered during that segment so maybe I missed the significance of it.

[mjc570]

I totally didn't get the point of the  extended superdelegate bit - so what if he's Hispanic (I think), a lobbyist, and one of his clients makes payday loans (yes, to Hispanics)?  I give him props for being so decent and good-natured, and allowing himself to be interviewed.  Is this SB being fair and balanced? 

Otherwise, I liked the episode a lot.  I think it's pretty clear that Trump is going to "win" the debate - not because he gives "better" answers than Hilary in terms of showing his grasp of the issues (ha ha) but because he is much more likely to come out with some totally outrageous and memorable line, while she  comes off as the boring old grandma. 

I don't know why I'm even watching this show - thinking about the election just depresses me.  I'm not much of a political activist (aside from donations and signing on-line petitions, and the occasional phone call to my elected reps) but I've started wearing my "Stronger Together" t-shirt everywhere I can.

[possibilities]

I think there is a real story in the superdelegate issue, but Sam's treatment of it was uncharacteristically weak.

[ganesh]

I think Sam answered her own question: Yes, NBC cares more about ratings, and they're not really affected by Trump, so they don't care. 

"He's very good at that."-"You're very bad at this." Has anyone derived a dollar figure for the amount of free air time that Trump has received. I know Sam didn't say this explicitly on the show, but that's what I implied from the segment on Trump at the hotel. I also liked how shocked, shocked! that Trump conned them into a free infomercial. 

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Otherwise, I liked the episode a lot.  I think it's pretty clear that Trump is going to "win" the debate - not because he gives "better" answers than Hilary in terms of showing his grasp of the issues (ha ha) but because he is much more likely to come out with some totally outrageous and memorable line, while she  comes off as the boring old grandma. 

All Trump needs is a zinger like Reagan did, as they showed in the clip. Similarly, in the debate with Jimmy Carter, Reagan famously said, "oh there you go again" and dismissed Carter out of hand. Clinton is a policy wonk, probably no other politician knows how to actually get stuff done as well as she does. Practically no one is tuning in for that in the debate. 

Edited September 20, 2016 by ganesh

[Victor the Crab]

I seriously doubt someone like Hillary is taking Drumph lightly. She's a pro when it comes to debating and knows every trick, while Drumph is a rank amateur unable to come up with a coherent sentence who only talks about himself. She'll know Ailes is pulling Drumph's strings and will be prepared. So I stand by my statement that Samantha is being paranoid.

Besides, it's also possible that Drumph doesn't really want to be president  and will try and sabotage it when he gets a chance. And the debates are the perfect forum for such a self attack. It would make better sense to have Ailes along to start up Trump TV and use it for a lot of anti President Hillary attacks.

[ganesh]

I know we're speculating on the debates, but I think Sam showing the clips was her forecasting of what she thinks is going to happen in them. The point Sam was making by showing the Nixon, Reagan clips is that it doesn't matter. Clinton won't take Trump lightly, and she will prepare for the debate as the experienced politician she is. She's preparing for a different debate than Trump is though. She can dominate the policy discussion and be more prepared, and all that, but Trump's just looking for the haymaker. If he lands it, they'll hammer the narrative that he won the debate. I don't think she's being that paranoid. 

[cattykit]

Samantha Bee Condemns NBC and Jimmy Fallon’s Trump Interview

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NBC declined to comment on Tuesday, and Mr. Fallon has not spoken publicly on his conversation with Mr. Trump, except in a short TMZ.com interview, in which Mr. Fallon says on camera: “Have you seen my show? I’m never too hard on anyone.”

But Mr. Fallon took plenty of criticism for the Thursday interview, and Ms. Bee’s monologue was perhaps the bluntest denunciation of it so far.

Samantha Bee just took Jimmy Fallon to the woodshed

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Comedian Samantha Bee said Monday that the media is at least partly to blame for Donald Trump's political success. That's not exactly a new take, but the "Full Frontal" host's argument was different from most — meaning it wasn't based on the idea that the press has covered the Republican presidential nominee too much and caused millions of voters/lemmings to support the candidate whose name they have heard most often.

Edited September 21, 2016 by cattykit

[Victor the Crab]

Yeah, Drumph could try and land a haymaker. And while he's standing there gloating, Hillary can respond "Did Roger Ailes coach you ad nauseum to say that Donald? Why don't you explain to us what that means for your own sake."

[ganesh]

That was the point of the piece. This isn't an actual "debate", and Sam is saying that she's worried Clinton won't recognize this and prepare for a debate that isn't going to happen. She's really not known for zingers, so it's a fair concern. 

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

That was the point of the piece. This isn't an actual "debate", and Sam is saying that she's worried Clinton won't recognize this and prepare for a debate that isn't going to happen. She's really not known for zingers, so it's a fair concern. 

Trump also isn't well known for reacting well to anyone responding to him with facts, much less a woman, and has never been in a two person debate before, he gets testy with softball questions on Fox.

Edited September 21, 2016 by biakbiak

[wknt3]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

That was the point of the piece. This isn't an actual "debate", and Sam is saying that she's worried Clinton won't recognize this and prepare for a debate that isn't going to happen. She's really not known for zingers, so it's a fair concern. 

As I interpreted the piece she isn't so much concerned about Hillary not recognizing it, but about the press spin. Hillary is not a natural at this like Bill or Reagan, and a lot of the press still has a tendency to see funny and witty women as bitchy. So she will be better on policy, but the press response will be all about BS and voters who don't watch or pay attention could see coverage about how it was a tie or a Trump win. "He really stumbled apparently almost calling her a vulgar epithet beginning with the letter C, and seeming to imply that Russia annexing Poland would not be a major concern, but he did have the line of the night Anderson so it's clear that this was not a knockout for Clinton and that may be as good as a win for Trump." "I agree. Her line about Trump's tax returns and foundation in response to the question about the Clinton Foundation seemed canned and a bit mean. Not presidential." Her concern is that the media is so easy to manipulate and obsessed with shiny objects that it doesn't necessarily matter what Hillary does as long Trump can deliver one memorable soundbite.

[possibilities]

Sam might seem paranoid if we she was expressing her fears a year ago. Now, with Trump having handily won the Republican nomination and his poll numbers very close to even with Hillary despite every bigoted, repulsive, transparently false, venal, shameless, illegal, and outrageous thing he's said and done, I think her fears are more than justified.

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, wknt3 said:

Her concern is that the media is so easy to manipulate and obsessed with shiny objects that it doesn't necessarily matter what Hillary does as long Trump can deliver one memorable soundbite.

That's what I meant by haymaker, which is why Sam showed the Reagan clip. The good thing is, haymakers are low percentage, so he could whiff big time. What Sam didn't show in the clip is that Reagan was a seasoned politician and incumbent president by that point. So it's not exactly the same, but I think her premise is valid. 

[iMonrey]

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Also not sure that the interview with the superdelegate lobbyist was the most important thing she could have covered this week. 

It felt like something she should have covered during the primaries. At this moment, who cares?

RE: the debates - I wish Clinton would heed the advice of Bill Maher and Michael Moore, who wanted just 20 minutes with her to arm her with personal zingers that would get under Trump's skin. His weakness is that he lashes out like a child at any perceived insult.

[Irlandesa]

4 hours ago, iMonrey said:

RE: the debates - I wish Clinton would heed the advice of Bill Maher and Michael Moore, who wanted just 20 minutes with her to arm her with personal zingers that would get under Trump's skin. His weakness is that he lashes out like a child at any perceived insult.

I get Sam's point because the media has not been great.  And this isn't just applicable to this election but probably since the news and news media has changed with the decline in subscriptions (thanks internet) and have to fill 24 hours of programming (thanks cable.) So Ailes history, Trump's ability to say outrageous things and the media's standards---whatever they are, can be concerning.  On the other hand, Hillary has given some scathing speeches with some zingers in the past.   She has speechwriters capable of it.  A lot of it will boil down to opportunity, luck and strategy.  One advantage with Trump is that he is who he is.  Even though Regan may have been a polished politician, his opponent may not have expected to face zingers.

[mjc570]

Since Sam brought it up:  My advice to Hillary:  Use Reagan's line (there you go again, Mr. Trump)

[peeayebee]

Frankly, I wish Hillary wouldn't stoop to Trump's level and throw barbed one-liners at him. The way I imagine it in a debate is that he's incoherent, rambling, and negative, while she sticks to the facts, has knowledge and experience on her side, and stays professional, statesman-like, and cool. That would appeal to me. I'm not sure how the majority of the electorate would like it.

[ChelseaNH]

14 hours ago, peeayebee said:

stays professional, statesman-like, and cool.

For some people, that would be the sticking point.  Not everyone has a good impression of competent women.

[formerlyfreedom]

About the show, please; if your post isn't about the show, it will be removed. And going forward, it's got to be MOSTLY about the show. How Sam is covering the election is fine; the election in general? No.

[Victor the Crab]

Soooo...anybody expect Samantha to come on tomorrow and see her feel much better about last night?

[GHScorpiosRule]

7 minutes ago, Victor the Crab said:

Soooo...anybody expect Samantha to come on tomorrow and see her feel much better about last night?

I hope so.

[wknt3]

10 hours ago, Victor the Crab said:

Soooo...anybody expect Samantha to come on tomorrow and see her feel much better about last night?

I hope so too. It depends on what cable news comes up with today (it's not unusual for debate narratives to change over time) although Trump supporters not being able to agree on a single party line is a pretty good sign as far as her being more positive is concerned. I expect her take to be something along the lines of pointing out the media's reluctance to acknowledge it as a rout as well as not jumping on health and appearance when it comes to men (the sniffling got much more attention online than in the news). It also wouldn't surprise me to see her talk about how a woman in a public role is held to a higher standard and how the media is doing a bad job in that Trump does much better when he's being reported on than when he's visible with no filter for extended periods of time like the convention and debates. 30 minutes of her being happy and relieved would be a boring show after all.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I just watched a sneak peek of Sam's show for tonight--censor free--LIVE! on Face Book! It's gonna be a good show tonight!

[atomationage]

I'm only getting a 4 minute vid on FB.  So good!

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just now, atomationage said:

I'm only getting a 4 minute vid on FB.  So good!

Yep. It was only four minutes. A sneak peek into tonight's show.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Tonight's show was Fanfuckingtastic!

The sneak peek lived up to what I was hoping for!

[ruby24]

GREAT episode! That middle segment with the debate watchers was hilarious, and I LOVED the last segment with everyone giving Hillary advice. I noticed that before the debate happened, how every single person seemed to know exactly what she should and shouldn't do. I always thought she basically just needed to be herself and look like the sane, rational choice next to a rambling idiot. Which she did!

Sam is so great, I look forward to her every week. I just wish she could be on more.

[biakbiak]

When the blonde corresposant waved the hand in front of the Trump's supporters face who seemed to short circuit when asked to name a specific plan of Trump's cracked me up.

[wknt3]

3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

When the blonde corresposant waved the hand in front of the Trump's supporters face who seemed to short circuit when asked to name a specific plan of Trump's cracked me up.

It wasn't the Trump supporter's fault. The microphone didn't work.

[attica]

"American democracy playing Russian Roulette" is probably the aptest description of 2016 I will ever hear.

[LoneHaranguer]

It was nice to see Sam rein it in. She even tossed a few light jabs in Hillary's direction. Was the bit of racism she showed in talking about the "Miss Piggy" incident hers or a writer's, because it wasn't Trump's. For a NY'er like Trump to look at a Miss Universe that gained a lot of weight and think "housekeeper" it's him thinking of a weight/job stereotype that's universally been personified by white characters; for Sam to hear "housekeeper" and think "latina" it's a Southwest job/race stereotype. BTW, it's just as objectionable for a beauty queen to put on that much weight as for a jockey; there are solid job expectations she was endangering as an employee, so Trump's only real offense there was the name-calling. Sam didn't seem to understand that.

[atomationage]

Too much good stuff to choose from, I'm going with the truffle pig and his flying monkeys.

[BoogieBurns]

47 minutes ago, LoneHaranguer said:

it's just as objectionable for a beauty queen to put on that much weight as for a jockey; there are solid job expectations she was endangering as an employee

There is plenty of proof that she didn't put on 55 pounds in a year. It was more like 15. She looked like a beauty queen the whole year she had a crown. The photo of her jumping rope in front of the press was her at her "fattest" during her beauty queen year, and she is quite small. http://imgur.com/ADZ4YIE

I couldn't disagree with you more, but that is fine with me. 

[Irlandesa]

2 hours ago, LoneHaranguer said:

 Was the bit of racism she showed in talking about the "Miss Piggy" incident hers or a writer's, because it wasn't Trump's. For a NY'er like Trump to look at a Miss Universe that gained a lot of weight and think "housekeeper" it's him thinking of a weight/job stereotype that's universally been personified by white characters; for Sam to hear "housekeeper" and think "latina" it's a Southwest job/race stereotype. 

Trump has been awful when it comes to racial issues and pretty awful when it comes to women so both your interpretation and the show's could be correct on why he went there.  I tend to agree with Sam but eh, we'll never know.

However, I can state with certainty that the stereotype of Latina maids is not just a SW one.  

Edited September 29, 2016 by Irlandesa

[iMonrey]

I thought Sam did a good job covering the debate, but frankly I could have done without the footage of the viewing parties. I've really had my fill of Trump supporters, thank you very much. I could easily play devil's advocate and say it's too easy for them to find some dumb yokel who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and portray them as a typical Trump supporter. I'm sure they could just as easily find a low-information voter who supports Clinton. I'm not saying the ones they showed weren't typical Trump supporters, I'm just saying it's tiresome and it's depressing and I'm sick of it.

[cattykit]

2 hours ago, LoneHaranguer said:

It was nice to see Sam rein it in. She even tossed a few light jabs in Hillary's direction.

BTW, it's just as objectionable for a beauty queen to put on that much weight as for a jockey; there are solid job expectations she was endangering as an employee, so Trump's only real offense there was the name-calling. Sam didn't seem to understand that.

Any employer who addresses a job performance issue by calling the employee "Miss Piggy" and trashing her in public needs never to be allowed to employ anyone ever again.  "Only real offense" is a fucking ginormous offense.

That said, Sam did get in a few jabs at Hillary and that's ok.  Hillary's not a saint and someone who tries to present her that way is going to lose credibility, deservedly so.  That's a huge reason why I despise the paid surrogates so much, because every single aspect of their candidate has to be spun into sainthood.

[peeayebee]

Either that kick boxer had too many kicks in the head, or he was drunk. Or both. However, it's easy to see why Trump supporters would honestly see their candidate as winning that debate because what has garnered him so many fans is basically how he says things, not necessarily what he says. He's always cocksure of himself, never showing weakness, never admitting having erred, plus he berates those he doesn't like or agree with, which to his supporters is a sign of strength.

Anywho, loved the show.

[ruby24]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

I thought Sam did a good job covering the debate, but frankly I could have done without the footage of the viewing parties. I've really had my fill of Trump supporters, thank you very much. I could easily play devil's advocate and say it's too easy for them to find some dumb yokel who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and portray them as a typical Trump supporter. I'm sure they could just as easily find a low-information voter who supports Clinton. I'm not saying the ones they showed weren't typical Trump supporters, I'm just saying it's tiresome and it's depressing and I'm sick of it.

I really believe the only other kind of Trump supporter is the clip that Trevor Noah played on The Daily Show this week, where this old lady in OH said "I'm voting for the conservative party and if this jackass happens to be the one driving the train this time, then so be it." They know he's awful and they don't care. Which makes me despair for our future, because we need a functioning two party system and if one party's voters literally don't care who or what's at the top of the ticket, then something really dangerous could happen someday. I try not to think about it too much, because I don't want to be depressed and scared.

I loved the human gif guy though, lol. And I don't mind Sam jabbing Hillary on the BLM answer, I wasn't crazy about that either (and I've seen her be much more specific and thoughtful about that in other interviews, so she clearly thought the debate was not the place to get into that too much).

I actually thought Lester wasn't too bad, I think he was mostly just missing from the first 20 minutes of the debate. But he was definitely prepared to step in on certain topics, that's for sure. I agreed with Sam that Megyn Kelly has been growing on me lately.

[LoneHaranguer]

2 hours ago, peeayebee said:

However, it's easy to see why Trump supporters would honestly see their candidate as winning that debate because what has garnered him so many fans is basically how he says things, not necessarily what he says.

Or, they could be seeing it more as Clinton losing, because she clearly showed up not expecting a real debate, but only what passes for one most years. As Sam noted, Clinton did score some hits eventually, but first impressions are important.

[trow125]

Were the Trump fans even paying attention? In one shot from the Trump watching party, there was 1 TV airing the debate and 2 TVs showing Monday Night Football.

The Hillary fans at the Stonewall Inn were watching it raptly (as evidenced by the fact that no one would talk to the correspondent while the debate was in progress). I doubt the Trump fans were as interested/involved.

[Victor the Crab]

6 hours ago, BoogieBurns said:

There is plenty of proof that she didn't put on 55 pounds in a year. It was more like 15. She looked like a beauty queen the whole year she had a crown. The photo of her jumping rope in front of the press was her at her "fattest" during her beauty queen year, and she is quite small. http://imgur.com/ADZ4YIE

She looks quite fine in that photo. But what would I know? My standards of women aren't at the level of Fat Fuck Drumph's.

Samantha was completely on fire last night. And kudos to her graphics department for bringing out Kellyanne Conway's true self with that Photoshopped picture of her. And that meathead Drumph supporter does sound like he's taken far too many blows to the head in his lifetime. Of course his IQ already seemed to be at room temperature before.