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S02.E09: And The Happily Ever Afters

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The team has scattered, all living the ideal versions of their lives. Soon these “strangers” are drawn together to solve a supernatural mystery – the appearance of Ariel, the sprite bound to Prospero's service. Can the Librarians do what no other human has ever been able – turn their backs on their own ultimate happy endings?

 

 

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Julia

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what no other human has ever been able – turn their backs on their own ultimate happy endings

I've known a fair number of people who have made their own ultimate happy endings at least very improbable. I suspect if they do manage it they won't be the first.

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Chaos Theory

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Well that episode was a bust. Flynn episodes are usually my least favorite. I am hoping at least the season finale is good.

I did like the scene between Baird and Moriarty. They do have good chemistry together.

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kirinan

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This was a bit of a letdown after last week's great episode. As Arnella said, not enough Jenkins (never enough Jenkins, IMO, as a card-carrying, longtime John Larroquette fangirl). Ariel teetered on the edge of annoying me, the plot was somewhat confusing, and it relied too much on Flynn. I adore Noah Wyle, but he's better on this show in small doses. He plays it too frantic. 

 

Hopefully next week they'll pull it out. I'd hate to see such a great season fizzle in the last two episodes.

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HunterHunted

HunterHunted

Eh!  Not enough Jenkins.  

 

And I actually like Baird and Moriarty better than Baird and Flynn.  

 

Oh well, end of the world again next week...

So much this!!! Noah Wyle plays Flynn much too frantic and broad. He and Baird don't really have great romantic chemistry. However, Baird and Moriarty...they've got a little bit of a sizzle.

Did anyone else appreciate that Stone's posse seemed to made up of nearly all college age women. Which would make sense if he was a cute, rugged, university professor who seemed to teach half of the courses at the university.

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ganesh

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This wasn't a good choice for an episode after the alt-reality from last week. Maybe earlier would have been better. What's good about this show is everyone working together to solve the problem. When they have Flynn on, it's a different show, and this one and the one before, it's been about Flynn saving the others, rather than the Librarians actually working together, like last week. The strength of the show, much like Stargate SG1, is about the team, working together. Which also was the strength of Leverage, so it's not like TPTBs don't know. I mean, Flynn, kissing Eve to snap her out of it. Come on. And it's fair Eve kissed Flynn at the end, but eh. I think they kind of undone a really enjoyable season to put this out. I would have rather Eve broke out of it because she's the Guardian. This was really a disservice to the characters.

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andromeda331

andromeda331

I love Flynn. He's one of my favorite characters on this show. But they need to decide or Noah needs to decide if

he's going to stay or go or what. The team works well together, they've spent almost two seasons now learning to

work together and come together as a team. But Flynn hasn't had that with the team, so he's pretty much still back

at where he left off after leaving to find the library. He came back for one episode and didn't get much time spend

with Stone, Jones or Cassandra because they each took turns becoming evil (except for Jones). Then he left again.  

Except for with Eve, Flynn's never been around any of them long enough to develop any relationship and visa versa.

And they can't do any of that until they know if Flynn is going to stay and be a part of the team or if its always going

to be the five of them and Flynn's off on his own, dropping by every once in awhile if they need his help or to work

on something big. The audience doesn't really know whether to invest in Flynn as a sixth member of the team or in

someone we'll only see for three or four episodes a season.

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ABay

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Did anyone else appreciate that Stone's posse seemed to made up of nearly all college age women. Which would make sense if he was a cute, rugged, university professor who seemed to teach half of the courses at the university.
Yes. It reminded me of the girl in the Indiana Jones movie with I Love You on her eyelids. I very much appreciated Flynn injecting some reality by noting that there is no way anyone could prep, teach, and grade 11 courses and still have time for anything else. I wish more people grasped how much work happens outside the classroom to sustain 3 hours a week in the classroom.

 

Even though I can't warm up to Moriarty, I agree that he and Eve have more chemistry than Eve and Carsen. 

 

I had to turn closed captioning on to understand what Ariel was saying. It wasn't the accent, it was the mumbling and sentence fragments. It also seemed like she was trying to say something about Prospero and either couldn't or breaking off was part of her ditziness. It was something like "Prospero the g---the wizard..."

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Mecca

Mecca

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I love Flynn. He's one of my favorite characters on this show. But they need to decide or Noah needs to decide if

he's going to stay or go or what...

 

I think this episode was supposed to show some character growth for Flynn.  His referring to himself as "a" Librarian instead "the" Librarian was supposed to convey how much he's changed from being his usual selfish glory hog.  The only problem is when he spends 90% of the episode complaining about Eve, being jealous that Eve is with another man, trying to save Eve etc. while treating the other Librarians like an after thought up until the last 10 minutes, it's hard for me to believe that anything has really changed with him.  This is coming from someone who loves Flynn and prefers Eve with him rather than Moriarty.  We're long past baby steps with Flynn.  I agree we need to see an episode where he interacts with the others, preferably an episode where his interaction with Eve is very limited by comparison.

 

Despite all that, I'm still a sucker for true love stuff even if I don't believe it's something that occurs in real life, so I still thought that part was sweet at least. :)

 

ETA: I loved Ariel.  I thought she was adorable.  I didn't have a problem with her accent at all.

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Arnella

Arnella

I know this is a weird comparison but this episode reminded me of why I stopped watching Criminal Minds:  That show became all about how much the characters LUVVVV each other instead of focusing on the crime solving elements.

 

After Flynn got them to think about the unreality of their situation and they separated and were confronted by even more elaborate fantasies, these hyper intelligent people could only resist because they couldn't "leave my friends".  I would have loved it if they each gave some self-knowing mic-dropping line to crush the fantasy.

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sjohnson

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Maybe the dude who plays Moriarty is sexier than Noah Wyle. But I can't see how Baird/Moriarty is a good pairing for anything but sex. Also, I'm pretty sure that when they show a hero trailing toilet paper they're just not playing Who Do YOU Want To See In Porn? Moriarty getting all personal on Eve is tedious for me. 

 

As for the exaltation of friendship? Hollywood appears to be a pretty amoral place in many respects. They appear to respect money, power and fame, and the willingness to do anything to get them but that's not usually considered moral. Not really believing in things like civic duty, empathy for strangers, general humanitarian ideals, nondenominational religion (partly because there's not much there to believe besides sentimental cliches,) there's not much left besides friends (found family) and family. People say Hollywood is cynical, but I think they're foolish romantics in a way: They seem to believe that there really is a thieves' honor. Or even that it's the only kind of honor. So, standing up for friends and family exhausts their catalog of virtues.

 

Seeing their daydreams was very entertaining. The ease with which they rejected them made it a slack episode instead of a tense one. Flynn amused me very much. Ariel, not so much. 

 

End of the world=end of the season. If the show's not renewed, though, we know the ending, right?

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Chaos Theory

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I know this is a weird comparison but this episode reminded me of why I stopped watching Criminal Minds: That show became all about how much the characters LUVVVV each other instead of focusing on the crime solving elements.

After Flynn got them to think about the unreality of their situation and they separated and were confronted by even more elaborate fantasies, these hyper intelligent people could only resist because they couldn't "leave my friends". I would have loved it if they each gave some self-knowing mic-dropping line to crush the fantasy.

It's different with this show. CM didn't work because in the end I didn't buy them as a family but with this show I kind of do. Even Flynn spent ten years alone in the library before the others came along. That first scene with Eve when she gets put on leave and walks into her bare empty apartment..... We get bits an peices of that from all the group. These are a group of lonely people who formed a family. That is their strength. Edited by Chaos Theory
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Mecca

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I know this is a weird comparison but this episode reminded me of why I stopped watching Criminal Minds:  That show became all about how much the characters LUVVVV each other instead of focusing on the crime solving elements.

Most of the storylines/side plots are cheesy at best on this show.  Without the exploration of the interpersonal relationships, this show would just be a big boring monster of the week fluff fest.  Even similar shows like Supernatural that are a bit better at building up a mythology, still rely heavily on the family/brother dynamic.  These people literally have no one else.  Stuff is going to come up especially when none of them have anyone else to confide in.

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Mecca

Mecca

Maybe the dude who plays Moriarty is sexier than Noah Wyle. But I can't see how Baird/Moriarty is a good pairing for anything but sex.

 

Not that I'm advocating for these two to be together, but why is that a bad thing? lol  The dude isn't real and he can be banished back into a book when you get tired of him.  Seems perfect to me.  Moriarty lying to Eve under the pretense that he was "saving" her and purposely trapping her in a false reality so he could fulfill his wish of having her as a girlfriend...that is the sticking point for me.

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Arnella

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I agree with all you guys are saying about the relationships but I'm still wishing for my mic drop lines.  Cool opportunity lost since Flynn's speech had already amp-ed up the "you belong in the the library and with each other" meme. 

 

Kirinan, Yes, NEVER enough Jenkins!  Although, I kind of like how they tease with bits of his backstory and how he may not like being immortal...

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cassandle

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Did anyone else appreciate that Stone's posse seemed to made up of nearly all college age women. Which would make sense if he was a cute, rugged, university professor who seemed to teach half of the courses at the university.

 

I would happily take on the crushing student loan debt to take all of his classes.  Repeatedly.

 

I generally like Flynn (and love Noah Wyle) but the Eve jealousy was getting on my nerves after the 20th "Why is she with him?".  Didn't Eve break up with Flynn the last time he was around?  Or did I imagine that?  If the writers could make the relationship less of a big deal (like Nate/Sophie or Parker/Hardison in Leverage) I think I'd be okay with Flynn being in the show full time.  But not if he's whining about Eve in every scene.

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Julia

Julia

Most of the storylines/side plots are cheesy at best on this show.  Without the exploration of the interpersonal relationships, this show would just be a big boring monster of the week fluff fest.  Even similar shows like Supernatural that are a bit better at building up a mythology, still rely heavily on the family/brother dynamic.  These people literally have no one else.  Stuff is going to come up especially when none of them have anyone else to confide in.

Actually, Supernatural did this plot better. Dean was caught in his happily ever after where none of the awful things happened to his family and when he figured it out one of his illusions told him that if he stayed, at least one version of his family would get to have good lives, but if he left he'd be taking that away, so actually the selfish act would be to escape.

Although I do think it was a little bit cruel to take Cassandra out of her fantasy. It's not as if she gets to keep her real life. Although I suspect she ascends to a higher plane if they don't fix her...

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fastiller

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Did anyone else appreciate that Stone's posse seemed to made up of nearly all college age women. Which would make sense if he was a cute, rugged, university professor who seemed to teach half of the courses at the university.

 

Yes. It reminded me of the girl in the Indiana Jones movie with I Love You on her eyelids. I very much appreciated Flynn injecting some reality by noting that there is no way anyone could prep, teach, and grade 11 courses and still have time for anything else. I wish more people grasped how much work happens outside the classroom to sustain 3 hours a week in the classroom.

 

It very much reminded me of Eliot Spencer being chased through the streets of Memphis in Leverage - The Studio Job.  And I totally get the attraction!

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Loandbehold

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Interesting that Ezekiel's happy ending puts him in law enforcement rather than lawbreaking.

I think it would have been funny if Ezekiel's happy ending had been him being the best thief. Even though that would be a step back from what we saw last episode.

 

I agree that this seemed like a Part 1 of the finale, but, even at that, it was boring. The only thing we learned was that they had lost 3 weeks in their time of happy endings.

 

Definitely need more Jenkins.

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Mecca

Mecca

I generally like Flynn (and love Noah Wyle) but the Eve jealousy was getting on my nerves after the 20th "Why is she with him?".  Didn't Eve break up with Flynn the last time he was around?  Or did I imagine that?

 

I think they were to quote Ross from Friends, "on a break" or at least in Flynn's mind they were.  The whole thing seemed vague on Eve's end to me as she really didn't outright say they were over and at one point they showed her looking at his picture.  

 

A lot of the repetitive "why" stemmed from his disbelief that Eve would ever look at Moriarty (spell or not) in a romantic way.   Flynn's jealously meter probably wouldn't have been cranked up to 11 if it was just some random guy.

 

Flynn did the same thing when the Library was in human form and it didn't remember him a few episodes back.  He asked the Library the same questions a billion times about why it didn't remember him even though it was stated over and over again that the guy had amnesia.  I guess it's part of Flynn's character.

 

 

Actually, Supernatural did this plot better. Dean was caught in his happily ever after where none of the awful things happened to his family and when he figured it out one of his illusions told him that if he stayed, at least one version of his family would get to have good lives, but if he left he'd be taking that away, so actually the selfish act would be to escape.

 

I don't remember this episode (over 10 seasons of watching Supernatural has turned my ability to remember anything past the last season to mush), but I have no doubt they probably did it better.  It seems with Dr. Who (I only watched S3, but I remember others mentioning similarities) and other themes this season, they appear to be lifting or at least paying homage to other shows.

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ganesh

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Interesting that Ezekiel's happy ending puts him in law enforcement rather than lawbreaking.

 

Actually, he said he did work for MI5, so maybe he really liked the job. If anything, spying is most like being a thief, but I guess he wouldn't be on the show if he was a spy.

If he was the best thief, then he wouldn't have been on the show. The best thief is the best thief because no one knows who they are. 

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Chaos Theory

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I am not sure the happy endings make much sense in the macro sense but they do in the micro sense (or did I get that backwards again). Ezekiel wants to be recognized, Baird wants to be loved etc etc etc. Magic have a warped version of happy endings. It usually does.

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Julia

Julia

I don't remember this episode (over 10 seasons of watching Supernatural has turned my ability to remember anything past the last season to mush), but I have no doubt they probably did it better.  It seems with Dr. Who (I only watched S3, but I remember others mentioning similarities) and other themes this season, they appear to be lifting or at least paying homage to other shows.

It was the one where Dean was trapped by the happy djinn (as opposed to the one where Dean and Charlie wwere trapped by the fear djinn - I guess repeating plots is their happy place too...)

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tellycat

tellycat

Flynn - "how can we miss him if he won't stay away?It's bad enough that he hijacks any episode he's in, relegating the actual cast to bit players"

Yes, this exactly. The team works so much better without him, the episodes without him are always better. There is no chemistry between him and Eve, none (it reminds me of the first season of The West Wing with Josh and Mandy and it's painful).

Anyway, I don't have a problem with them all giving up their happy ever afters because there wouldn't be a season 3 if they hadn't and they weren't real anyway. But Jenkins should have retained his memories and he should have retrieved the others, that would have served the dual purpose of no Flynn and more Jenkins - happy days!

Speaking of Jenkins, am I only one with a bad feeling about his fate? There have been a few mentions of him being able to die this season, from his own 'I'm immortal - semi' to last week's 'you can't be killed but you can die'. I'd not be happy if they did kill him off, he's my favourite character. But I'm probably overthinking things, hopefully.

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Arnella

Arnella

 

Speaking of Jenkins, am I only one with a bad feeling about his fate? There have been a few mentions of him being able to die this season, from his own 'I'm immortal - semi' to last week's 'you can't be killed but you can die'. I'd not be happy if they did kill him off, he's my favourite character. But I'm probably overthinking things, hopefully.

ACK - NO Tellycat!  Your over-thinking makes sense but stop thinking it!

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thuganomics85

thuganomics85

A step down compared to the past few episodes.  As much as I enjoy Noah Wyle having more fun as Flynn compared to his recent work on Falling Skies, any time Flynn shows up, he seems to just hog the screen time, and reduce the actual Librarians the show is referring too, into supporting roles.  It really should be the reverse whenever Flynn shows up: he supports them in whatever is currently going on, instead of him assuming the lead role.  Honestly, part of me wonders if maybe they should just have The Librarians show focus on the main three and Baird, and just make another occasional stand alone TV movie, where Flynn is off on a mission and takes center stage.  It looks like Noah enjoys playing the character, but doesn't want to fully commit, so that might be the best of both worlds.

 

It was fun seeing Jake, Cassandra, and Ezekiel's versions of what is a "happily ever after" for them.  Baird too, even if the Moriarty bits were telegraphed since their first scene in the premiere. 

 

Agree that there wasn't enough Jenkins in this one.

 

So, basically, this was mainly used to put them all out of commission and give Prospero time to do his thing.  Still not quite sure what his endgame is, but I guess we'll find out in the finale.

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Linderhill

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I suppose this is an unpopular opinion but I thought there was just enough Jenkins in this episode.  It used to be that I could not abide John Laroquette in any way but he's grown on me a between last season and this.  Too much Jenkins and he'd be right back up there on the annoy-o-meter.  I didn't really mind Flynn being back either.  I saw nothing wrong with him being the one to rescue the others.  He's come a long way. He's acknowledged that he isn't THE Librarian anymore and that Cassandra may actually be better at something than him. 

 

When they said Cicely I immediately thought of Northern Exposure.  I loved that show. I kept looking for Rosslyn's Cafe.  They had a totem pole, why not?

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