S03.E13: Loose Lips Sink Ships

[ryebread]

I'm not saying they're great, I've never used one. I volunteer at a local beach to pick up incalculable pounds of fireworks garbage (and we can't pick up the chemicals left behind) but if I were to pick a cause to debate and inform people of it would be one of much larger impact than Chinese lanterns. For example when the Eros fuels up to entertain us on the show we are supposed to be discussing it takes 16,000 gallons of diesel. Also some useable knowledge from the show. I doubt I'll stop watching though.

I'll skip adding a link to what oil, diesel and gasoline spills do to animals though.

 

Gotcha.  When you said:  "The lanterns are virtually inconsequential compared to almost everything else we consume." I wouldn't quite call them inconsequential because their popularity is rising.  While most everyone is aware of the danger of oil spills in the oceans, plastic in our landfills, pesticides in our food - if you look at Pinterest, those damn lanterns are still all the rage.  Either people don't know how dangerous they are or they don't care.  I'm hoping they don't know.  That's why any shout out to inform is good by me. 

 

Also, the majority of them are mass produced in China. I wonder how stringent they are about biodegradability and quality standards of those wires and candle cradles.  But I'll stop because it's not the forum. Thanks for doing your part in keeping the beaches clean.  Great Lakes State girl here.

[ryebread]

Eddie really messed up by replying "I've nothing to say" when Rocky texted him that she wanted to talk. (Also, what a pretentious way to word it.)

If he'd gone and talked to her, I think a lot of the fallout would have been avoided. When you blow someone off like that and are so dismissive, all bets are off.

 

Agreed.  We can't know for sure what she would have done had he manned up and talked to her. Maybe she just would have done another forward dive with a 1 and a half off the boat.  Then Lee could've fired her and Eddie's douchbaggery would have never come to light.  (This season. It would have come to light sooner or later.)

 

I hope that's one of the questions Edwad gets asked at the reunion:  Why did he treat her so coldly and was he broken up with his girlfriend or not.

[Petunia13]

Biodegradable after about 20 years.

All those lanterns gotta land somewhere. Like Connie said about Emile: They're pretty and they're stupid. Pretty stupid.

Graphic wildlife picture, in link below, because awareness is good. The bamboo apparently didn't disintegrate fast enough. Thanks to Amy and Kate for bringing the subject up. Some usable knowledge from this show. Who would've thunk.

http://www.kentnews.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.3901317.1419950854!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg

That's terrible. I live in a town off Lake Michigan that very wealthy and heavily wooded. Sometimes at night I see the lanterns floating around my neighborhood and wonder about the poor Maserati that may land on, or trees and leaf piles it'll burn out on, or unfortunate fish and deer or owl that may come into contact with these.

[JacksonOrange]

 

Why did he treat her so coldly and was he broken up with his girlfriend or not.

 

 Ever since he stopped being civil with her, I have thought that he was taking out his feelings about himself - on her. He seems really disgusted. Way too  much, and it seems telling.

[ketose]

Production doesn't necessarily have to know 'everything' that goes on.  A camera crew is not on the boat 24/7.  So once they've finished filming for the day and mics are removed, they have no idea....unless someone does something in front of the stationary cameras.  I could be wrong but there didn't seem to be one of those cameras in the laundry room. 

My guess is that Eddie hooked up with Rocky during those off hours when the TV crew either weren't on board or had little coverage. I also think it could have been only 1-2 times. I also think that Rocky may not have turned over the texts until the end of the season, so they had to manufacture shots of Eddie reading texts and the door to the laundry room then pop in the txt bubbles.

 

 

Yes, they do. They hire people with YACHT EXPERIENCE, and when they're not here, they work on other yachts.

 

Yes, Bravo casts the show. They will hire someone of the type they want who has less experience over someone who isn't what they want with great experience. But they're not hiring random people off the street, and the people they hire DO work on the boat. They are THE stews and THE deckhands, and most of them have actually been qualified for the job.

 

Is there additional crew on the boat? Why, yes, there is. There is a First Mate (and probably a Second Mate), and there are people who aren't part of the show who keep the boat running -- boats break CONSTANTLY. But their existence doesn't mean that the crew who was hired by Bravo for the show isn't a legit crew. Luxury yachts have lots of employees, and they're all "real" crew.

AFAIK, the crew that gets their names in the opening credits all have some yacht experience. However, many of them seem to have experience that doesn't match their positions. Rocky was probably a (lousy) cook, but they needed a stew and she figured she could do laundry. That guy Don was an engineer, but the show needed a deckhand, so he did that. Then there was that guy who didn't know the basic parts of being a deckhand.

 

During S1, Captain Lee did a couple of interviews for trade publications and such that pointed out that he didn't hire the crew that was shown on TV. He also said he wouldn't have hired most of them. I'd say most of the crew this year were competent, especially the returnees and Connie. Then again, they don't have to worry about the "charters" as much because Bravo casts them as well.

[leighroda]

I was thinking about the part with Rocky texting Eddie to talk, my initial reaction was that he couldn't be mad when things blew up because she did try to approach him, but... If I remember correctly and what was shown was true, she was already on the gally floor having a breakdown (I can't remember if she was already in breakdown mode or if Eddie refusing to talk sent her into a tizzy) so I'm not sure that Eddie talking to her at that point would have had any benefit. I can't say that I would have thought talking to her in that moment would have been a good idea (but I also didn't sleep with her). To me it feels like at that point the crew kinda walked on eggshells when it came to Rocky because it wasn't worth the drama of her jumping ship and disappearing and everyone having to cover for her. But again, Eddie made his bed, the easiest way to not have someone blab about sleeping with you, is to not sleep with them.

[bblancobrnx]

I was thinking about the part with Rocky texting Eddie to talk, my initial reaction was that he couldn't be mad when things blew up because she did try to approach him, but... If I remember correctly and what was shown was true, she was already on the gally floor having a breakdown (I can't remember if she was already in breakdown mode or if Eddie refusing to talk sent her into a tizzy) so I'm not sure that Eddie talking to her at that point would have had any benefit. I can't say that I would have thought talking to her in that moment would have been a good idea (but I also didn't sleep with her). To me it feels like at that point the crew kinda walked on eggshells when it came to Rocky because it wasn't worth the drama of her jumping ship and disappearing and everyone having to cover for her. But again, Eddie made his bed, the easiest way to not have someone blab about sleeping with you, is to not sleep with them.

I'm pretty sure the full on insanity started when she texted him that she wanted to talk to him and he replied "I have nothing to say." To this, she uttered "Oh my God..." and I saw the cuckoo spark light in her eyes

[Yours Truly]

Eddie really messed up by replying "I've nothing to say" when Rocky texted him that she wanted to talk. (Also, what a pretentious way to word it.)

If he'd gone and talked to her, I think a lot of the fallout would have been avoided. When you blow someone off like that and are so dismissive, all bets are off.

Exactly. I agree with this. Blowing someone off and being dismissive after you've had your dick take up residence... Not cool at all! This I think was the key moment when he fucked up royally. Even if you think the conversation will go in a direction you don't want it to go you still say something! That was the one move that directed the rest of the kurfluffel.

 

Considering this is Rocky not so sure that talking to her would have kept her from being spiteful regardless and whoops, letting the cat out of the bag but at least had he talked to her he could say that he did try to end it simply but Rocky wasn't hearing it and went on her little petty agenda. Actually to be honest, and I know this is a BIIIIGGGGG IF, maybe he did give her notice and her text was about wanting to talk more about it. I wonder if maybe, although short and not elaborate, he did say something to her about not wanting to continue hooking up and she wanted to get into a whole conversation about why which quite honestly isn't required. Then we see the texts of her wanting him to talk to her and him responding with I've got nothing to say. I get that it's still not some sit down, hand holding, Ben and Kate moment (LOL) but ya know there really isn't a text book way to tell you're booty call nicely, ummm yeah, I had fun but ummmm it was just sex, I was not really trying to get involved with you, thought you understood....... Sure, "in theory" Eddie should have said something, talked to her, but I always find it amusing how matter of fact this course of action is viewed and I stop and think, do we really expect people to sit someone else down and arrogantly tell them they're done using them for sex? Even if it's done nicely it's not the easiest conversation to articulate without it coming of sounding bad. That's probably why men avoid it and opt for fingers crossed that it fades on it's own once the hook up texts become less and less, few and far between. LOL. Sad but true.

 

That's also why Ben and Kates conversation disturbed me a bit cause when all was said and done it just sounded like Ben was patronizing Kate. And what that conversation really boiled down to me, reading between the lines, is that he loves bedding her, loves that they are cool, loves that she has enough pride not to let her emotions get the better of her and come after him with negativity, demands, grievances (ala Rocky) and loves that she keeps a good handle on her emotions so that he doesn't have to. He also loves that he's pretty much got an open invitation to her bed without the strings. You see, Ben is enamored enough with Kate that he's gonna play it right and play it nice so he doesn't loose that perk. And it seems that little bit of validation from Ben is enough to satisfy Kates pride and she can tell herself she isn't some booty call conquest that means nothing. Him playing his cards right keeps her from feeling used and that's what keeps their arrangement pleasant. Not an easy feat I have to say so Bravo to them.

 

Eddie on the other hand isn't trying to keep that door open and that's actually a real blow. That a man who has tasted the candy, knows that it's available to him but still chooses to shut it down? That's the worse insult and it's taken VERY personally. Why? Cause, what man passes up access to free pussy? Why wouldn't he want to continue hitting it when she's putting it on a platter? That's a women's booty call nightmare, when a dude is so unimpressed and so uninterested even AFTER getting a taste that he won't even take advantage of the convenience you're offering up in terms of sex on the regular? That's supposed to be a given. Men are always up for sex when the opportunity presents itself, so when a man willingly turns down sex? That reaps all sorts of havoc on a woman's self esteem not to mention the embarrassment of giving it up so easily in the first place only to have him not come back for more?? Yeah, it all starts to snowball and you end up with the Rocky Horror Picture show.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Yours Truly

[RedHawk]

^

Well-said and quite insightful. Should be required reading in Hookups 101.

Edited November 24, 2015 by RedHawk

[Yours Truly]

My guess is that Eddie hooked up with Rocky during those off hours when the TV crew either weren't on board or had little coverage. I also think it could have been only 1-2 times. I also think that Rocky may not have turned over the texts until the end of the season, so they had to manufacture shots of Eddie reading texts and the door to the laundry room then pop in the txt bubbles.

 

 

Also, keep in mind how shocked the crew was. Now I believe it's easier to hide from the cameras (after the official crew is done shooting for the day) than it is to keep it from the others considering how close their quarters are. They managed to do it right under the others noses with them none the wiser so I don't think its a stretch to think Eddie might have actually thought, had Rocky not veered from the script, it could have actually been kept under wraps. Think about it. There was NO footage that was showed that would have alluded to a hook up. All the shots they used were benign on their own the only reason some shots seem like some sort of proof was because editing added the text message bubble, the sound bites over a running washing machine which I'm pretty sure was pieced together, but there really is no actual footage that outs them at all.

[RedHawk]

While we don't have video of them doing the deed

-- of course not, because this isn't "Below Dick" the porn version of this series -- we do have the awesome shot of the washing machine in action to indicate Rocky and Eddie gettin' it on. And then they give us that shot over and over again!

[Yours Truly]

While we don't have video of them doing the deed

-- of course not, because this isn't "Below Dick" the porn version of this series -- we do have the awesome shot of the washing machine in action to indicate Rocky and Eddie gettin' it on. And then they give us that shot over and over again!

Which could actually be just a washer running. They could have easily pieced that little segment together afterward Rocky handed over the texts and the sound bites.. well Rocky saying.. "soooo good". I feel like I remember hearing that particular sound bite from her at the table while eating something but I admit I'm not sure. When I say footage I'm talking about seeing them go into the laundry room and stuff like that. It was just the washer. I'm just saying I have a feeling had Rocky not spilled the beans they could have gotten away with it even while the season was filming. Although for the most part it's neither here nor there its just really interesting if you watch closely at the actual footage without bias there really was no indications of the hook up that was actually caught on camera. I just never really had such a fascinating display on how edited footage can really direct a message. I mean throughout the years on see posters on these boards refer to the editing monkey's and for the most part I got the overall point but this season of below deck really showed me how manipulative it can be. Now granted in this case the storyline was true but imagine when they want to perpetrate an alternative reality. Now I get what some posters are always getting so up in arms about when talking about how editing can be the third version of any one story. Interesting.

[BogoGog24]

Even if they had footage of them hooking up, do you think they'd actually show it? I mean... as someone said above, this is a TV show, not a porno. Of course they're not going to show us anything. That's probably why all we got were shots of them entering and exiting the laundry room. 

[Box305]

Can someone buy Raquel some waterproof mascara? Please? Christ. 

 

(I'm watching the episode before the finale - it's on right now - and getting annoyed all over again.) 

Edited November 25, 2015 by Box305

[missy jo]

On the replay, he just told her, "I don't know why you had to tell everybody, and why you couldn't have just come to me." Uh ... she did. And his "I've nothing to say" was the coup de grace of his fuck-up. ​

 

That was preceded by the scenes of him looking everyone in the eyes and denying it flatout. He's a really good liar.

[Bruinsfan]

Whenever they show Rocky going on a crying jag I always think of this.

[RedHawk]

... There was NO footage that was showed that would have alluded to a hook up. All the shots they used were benign on their own the only reason some shots seem like some sort of proof was because editing added the text message bubble, the sound bites over a running washing machine which I'm pretty sure was pieced together, but there really is no actual footage that outs them at all.

Exactly. There was one little scene that was shown, I think in the finale, while Rocky was reminiscing/moping about what she seemed to feel was her "special secret relationship" with Eddie. It shows the two of them coming out of their separate rooms at basically the same time and saying "hi!" to each other, Rocky then smiling to herself as she walks toward the camera. It may have been the first "morning after". I'm guessing that footage was captured with a stationary camera in the hall and was found when the editors were later combing through the footage to see if they could find any indications of Rocky and Eddie hooking up. When they first viewed it, it meant nothing if they did not know about the hookups; it was just two co-workers greeting each other. Once the editors knew what had been going on between the two, then it took on more significance and they showed us that encounter.

[SFoster21]

Exactly. I agree with this. Blowing someone off and being dismissive after you've had your dick take up residence... Not cool at all! This I think was the key moment when he fucked up royally. Even if you think the conversation will go in a direction you don't want it to go you still say something! That was the one move that directed the rest of the kurfluffel.

Considering this is Rocky not so sure that talking to her would have kept her from being spiteful regardless and whoops, letting the cat out of the bag but at least had he talked to her he could say that he did try to end it simply but Rocky wasn't hearing it and went on her little petty agenda. Actually to be honest, and I know this is a BIIIIGGGGG IF, maybe he did give her notice and her text was about wanting to talk more about it. I wonder if maybe, although short and not elaborate, he did say something to her about not wanting to continue hooking up and she wanted to get into a whole conversation about why which quite honestly isn't required. Then we see the texts of her wanting him to talk to her and him responding with I've got nothing to say. I get that it's still not some sit down, hand holding, Ben and Kate moment (LOL) but ya know there really isn't a text book way to tell you're booty call nicely, ummm yeah, I had fun but ummmm it was just sex, I was not really trying to get involved with you, thought you understood....... Sure, "in theory" Eddie should have said something, talked to her, but I always find it amusing how matter of fact this course of action is viewed and I stop and think, do we really expect people to sit someone else down and arrogantly tell them they're done using them for sex? Even if it's done nicely it's not the easiest conversation to articulate without it coming of sounding bad. That's probably why men avoid it and opt for fingers crossed that it fades on it's own once the hook up texts become less and less, few and far between. LOL. Sad but true.

That's also why Ben and Kates conversation disturbed me a bit cause when all was said and done it just sounded like Ben was patronizing Kate. And what that conversation really boiled down to me, reading between the lines, is that he loves bedding her, loves that they are cool, loves that she has enough pride not to let her emotions get the better of her and come after him with negativity, demands, grievances (ala Rocky) and loves that she keeps a good handle on her emotions so that he doesn't have to. He also loves that he's pretty much got an open invitation to her bed without the strings. You see, Ben is enamored enough with Kate that he's gonna play it right and play it nice so he doesn't loose that perk. And it seems that little bit of validation from Ben is enough to satisfy Kates pride and she can tell herself she isn't some booty call conquest that means nothing. Him playing his cards right keeps her from feeling used and that's what keeps their arrangement pleasant. Not an easy feat I have to say so Bravo to them.

Eddie on the other hand isn't trying to keep that door open and that's actually a real blow. That a man who has tasted the candy, knows that it's available to him but still chooses to shut it down? That's the worse insult and it's taken VERY personally. Why? Cause, what man passes up access to free pussy? Why wouldn't he want to continue hitting it when she's putting it on a platter? That's a women's booty call nightmare, when a dude is so unimpressed and so uninterested even AFTER getting a taste that he won't even take advantage of the convenience you're offering up in terms of sex on the regular? That's supposed to be a given. Men are always up for sex when the opportunity presents itself, so when a man willingly turns down sex? That reaps all sorts of havoc on a woman's self esteem not to mention the embarrassment of giving it up so easily in the first place only to have him not come back for more?? Yeah, it all starts to snowball and you end up with the Rocky Horror Picture show.

Well, this just imo, but Bill Maher said it out loud: for men, it's "been there, done that." Men don't always take offered sex. Rocky's self esteem is tied in with her sexuality; that is not Eddie's problem, you ask me.

As the song says, "Will you still love me tomorrow?" Not generally.

Edited November 25, 2015 by SFoster21

[Bruinsfan]

Definitely not if they didn't love you today and just banged you up against a washing machine on the Q.T.

[Yours Truly]

Well, this just imo, but Bill Maher said it out loud: for men, it's "been there, done that." Men don't always take offered sex. Rocky's self esteem is tied in with her sexuality; that is not Eddie's problem, you ask me.

As the song says, "Will you still love me tomorrow?" Not generally.

Bingo!

[Passing Strange]

I get that it's still not some sit down, hand holding, Ben and Kate moment (LOL) but ya know there really isn't a text book way to tell you're booty call nicely, ummm yeah, I had fun but ummmm it was just sex, I was not really trying to get involved with you, thought you understood....... Sure, "in theory" Eddie should have said something, talked to her, but I always find it amusing how matter of fact this course of action is viewed and I stop and think, do we really expect people to sit someone else down and arrogantly tell them they're done using them for sex? Even if it's done nicely it's not the easiest conversation to articulate without it coming of sounding bad. That's probably why men avoid it and opt for fingers crossed that it fades on it's own once the hook up texts become less and less, few and far between. LOL. Sad but true.

I think what we expect is for people to take responsibility. If you've used someone, even if you thought that person understood the terms, it's like any mistake; you say you're sorry. It won't be easy and it won't make things right, but it's the adult thing to do. That's why no one recommends ghosting as a good way to end a relationship.

 

That's also why Ben and Kates conversation disturbed me a bit cause when all was said and done it just sounded like Ben was patronizing Kate. And what that conversation really boiled down to me, reading between the lines, is that he loves bedding her, loves that they are cool, loves that she has enough pride not to let her emotions get the better of her and come after him with negativity, demands, grievances (ala Rocky) and loves that she keeps a good handle on her emotions so that he doesn't have to. He also loves that he's pretty much got an open invitation to her bed without the strings. You see, Ben is enamored enough with Kate that he's gonna play it right and play it nice so he doesn't loose that perk. And it seems that little bit of validation from Ben is enough to satisfy Kates pride and she can tell herself she isn't some booty call conquest that means nothing. Him playing his cards right keeps her from feeling used and that's what keeps their arrangement pleasant. Not an easy feat I have to say so Bravo to them.

It bothered me, too, but my take is different. I don't think Kate's pride needed to be satisfied. She has good, healthy self-esteem and is confident in her sexuality. She doesn't need external validation from Ben and he's as much her side piece as she is his. She knows Ben isn't the one for her and she's fine with that and with the encounters that happen. Ben, though, is so impressed with his own awesomeness that he can't help but believe she might fall for him. He thought he was protecting Kate, when really he was just amusing her.

 

Eddie on the other hand isn't trying to keep that door open and that's actually a real blow. That a man who has tasted the candy, knows that it's available to him but still chooses to shut it down? That's the worse insult and it's taken VERY personally. Why? Cause, what man passes up access to free pussy? Why wouldn't he want to continue hitting it when she's putting it on a platter? That's a women's booty call nightmare, when a dude is so unimpressed and so uninterested even AFTER getting a taste that he won't even take advantage of the convenience you're offering up in terms of sex on the regular? That's supposed to be a given. Men are always up for sex when the opportunity presents itself, so when a man willingly turns down sex? That reaps all sorts of havoc on a woman's self esteem not to mention the embarrassment of giving it up so easily in the first place only to have him not come back for more?? Yeah, it all starts to snowball and you end up with the Rocky Horror Picture show.

Except that women don't usually see sex as a separate entity. To a woman, if a man rejects sex he's not rejecting free pussy, he's rejecting the woman herself. That's not what he's actually doing, but she doesn't realize that. Women don't compartmentalize the way men do and the difference causes lots of confusion and heartaches.

[Yours Truly]

I think what we expect is for people to take responsibility. If you've used someone, even if you thought that person understood the terms, it's like any mistake; you say you're sorry. It won't be easy and it won't make things right, but it's the adult thing to do. That's why no one recommends ghosting as a good way to end a relationship.

 

It bothered me, too, but my take is different. I don't think Kate's pride needed to be satisfied. She has good, healthy self-esteem and is confident in her sexuality. She doesn't need external validation from Ben and he's as much her side piece as she is his. She knows Ben isn't the one for her and she's fine with that and with the encounters that happen. Ben, though, is so impressed with his own awesomeness that he can't help but believe she might fall for him. He thought he was protecting Kate, when really he was just amusing her.

 

Except that women don't usually see sex as a separate entity. To a woman, if a man rejects sex he's not rejecting free pussy, he's rejecting the woman herself. That's not what he's actually doing, but she doesn't realize that. Women don't compartmentalize the way men do and the difference causes lots of confusion and heartaches.

Ghosting. I never knew that term but awesome way to describe it. Ghosting is not a good way but it is common so my thing is you need to be aware of all of these details before deciding to hop up on a washing machine as well as Eddie needing to understand that boiling bunny syndrome is a very real result of employing the ghosting method. I think live and learn is a better way to handle inexperience in the booty call world and not the meanspirited, nastiness that transpired as a result of reckless behavior by both of them. Hate to sound like a prude but this is why there's something to be said for being more reserved when it comes to having sexual encounters. Know yourself and understand the pitfalls and repercussions of haphazard reckless abandon in the bed, errrr, laundry room.

 

Agreed about the Kate and Ben thing and that display didn't seem to convey the message that he was equally her side piece. It made it look like Ben had the upper hand in some way and that's what I didn't like about it. Kate could only assert her position in that arrangement by saying minimal and I hated that Ben put her in that position on camera. However, while I do agree that Kate "accepts" that a relationship with Ben is probably not a good idea, I believe she's come to that conclusion cause she knows Ben wouldn't be able to commit and it's not because SHE wouldn't like to give it a try. I've seen the signs too often, where a woman "convinces" herself that FWB is a okay only to eventually crumble and want more. I'm happy Kate seems self aware enough to probably step away when she finds herself not as detached as she needs to be in order to continue but  I'm not ready to write off a possible attempt at an official coupling happening between those two.

 

Agreed, you're point was the point I was making. She's using his rejection of sex as him rejecting her personally which is why she became sooooo resentful and revengeful and all kinds of angry.

[Passing Strange]

Ghosting. I never knew that term but awesome way to describe it. Ghosting is not a good way but it is common so my thing is you need to be aware of all of these details before deciding to hop up on a washing machine as well as Eddie needing to understand that boiling bunny syndrome is a very real result of employing the ghosting method. I think live and learn is a better way to handle inexperience in the booty call world and not the meanspirited, nastiness that transpired as a result of reckless behavior by both of them. Hate to sound like a prude but this is why there's something to be said for being more reserved when it comes to having sexual encounters. Know yourself and understand the pitfalls and repercussions of haphazard reckless abandon in the bed, errrr, laundry room.

 

Agreed about the Kate and Ben thing and that display didn't seem to convey the message that he was equally her side piece. It made it look like Ben had the upper hand in some way and that's what I didn't like about it. Kate could only assert her position in that arrangement by saying minimal and I hated that Ben put her in that position on camera. However, while I do agree that Kate "accepts" that a relationship with Ben is probably not a good idea, I believe she's come to that conclusion cause she knows Ben wouldn't be able to commit and it's not because SHE wouldn't like to give it a try. I've seen the signs too often, where a woman "convinces" herself that FWB is a okay only to eventually crumble and want more. I'm happy Kate seems self aware enough to probably step away when she finds herself not as detached as she needs to be in order to continue but  I'm not ready to write off a possible attempt at an official coupling happening between those two.

 

Agreed, you're point was the point I was making. She's using his rejection of sex as him rejecting her personally which is why she became sooooo resentful and revengeful and all kinds of angry.

 

I don't think you sound like a prude at all. What you're saying about using a little thought in decisions makes sense. If only hormones made the same sense.

 

We have two different takes on the Kate and Ben situation. Maybe there will be some clarification at the reunion, but I'd also be ok with having them both back next season. It would be interesting to see what might develop. Whoa, that sounds like I'm looking at them more as a science experiment than as people. Maybe Kate is rubbing off on me.  :)

[biakbiak]

They showed this ep on Bravo today and I realized how much I missed this crew in comparison to the Med cast even the people I couldn't stand.

[Corry]

On 11/17/2015 at 8:09 PM, mbaywife123 said:

I wonder if Rocky ever caught that fly that was on the ceiling in all of her TH's.

What does TH's stand for please?  I've been seeing this along and can't figure it out... thanks

On 11/17/2015 at 8:11 PM, bosawks said:

Somebody should tell Rocky that diving off the boat isn't as adorable as she thinks it is.

and freakin dangerous!! She has no clue how deep it is or what lays down there that she can crack her stupid skull open on.

[Welshman in Ca]

1 minute ago, Corry said:

What does TH's stand for please?  I've been seeing this along and can't figure it out... thanks

Talking Heads, when they speak to the camera later.

[Corry]

On 11/17/2015 at 9:43 PM, HumblePi said:

I just never understood why Rocky was chasing Emile and flirting with him sexually for the first couple of episodes then when they went out to dinner it all changed. He actually told her 'I want to fuck you' and she did an about-face and targeted Eddie who has a girlfriend. Emile is unattached, attractive and willing so why not him instead of Eddie?  Maybe it just made for a more dramatic situation than it would have with Emile.

She thought she wanted him but Emile screwed himself by getting drunk on their date.  She didn't like it that he can't control himself and she said it right there and then, date over, time to go.  Then, they go out with the rest of the crew, and again, he gets wasted beyond control so I get why she wasn't interested, he wouldn't stay sober enough to look after her so she wanted someone else, lol.