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[Zoe116]

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Color me confused. I can see Brooke advocating for Hope and Liam, but Ridge?  Ridge of all people taking Liam/Hope’s side over Thomas. Did hell freeze over? Is the world coming to an end?

He doesn’t like Lope. He just really effing hates Thomas. It’s his best feature. Adult Thomas has always seemed to be just his NotSteffy child to Ridge. Still, when RIDGE is the only person saying, “What about Liam’s feelings for Hope?” You know your show has problems. 

I did love when Ridge not only pushed back on this idea of a family unit being the be all end all, and how you can’t just discount who someone is as an individual, but most especially when he was like, “yeah, yeah, Hope likes Douglas... but does she like you?” Because seriously dude, Hope went YEARS without sex. She can do it again.

Watching these Thomas scenes, I can’t help but think about what would have happened if somehow PF were available and wanted to come back. Would this story even be written this way, or would they have gone with the Thomas/Sally/Wyatt/Flo quad? And if they did write this inane story, would he have been able to make it work? (Ok, “work” is a stretch, but would he have been able to project any amount of believability onto Thomas’ sudden feelings for Hope/insanely narrow minded construct of what families are?)

im not actually happy to see Steffy, but I’m happy we’ll get some slightly different dialogue. Also, there’s at least the possibility that this could at some point end. 

[La di Diva]

How on earth is Hope going to force herself have sessy times with Thomas when she loves Liam with all her heart? When he is the only man she ever loved. When she doesn't want to get pregnant again? Ever.

Is PsychoCreepyTom going to force her? Drug her? Get her drunk?  I do not want to see that.

Because PCT will convince Hope she was a willing participant and keep after her.  Possibly keep drugging her and telling her there is something wrong with her that she can't remember all their loving sessy times. Hope sinks deeper and deeper in depression because of PCT's gaslighting.

Please Soap gods if TIIC/ Bell go that way, let Liam figure it out and rescue Hope (with Sally's help?)

Fearless prediction -- PCT finds out about Phoebeth and work overtime to keep the secret from Hope.  He may confide in Hauxdi. Who will then be torn between doing the right thing or keeping Hope miserable

[CharlizeCat]

From what I've read, Brad Bell thinks he's on to this hugely compelling story that is integrating most all of the characters and needs to go on and on before things wrap up. I've read in more than one place that one or more characters is going to die as a result of this disaster of a story. The best speculation so far is that Shauna's dark side begins to emerge and she ends up being the one to kill, probably Zoe. I would be fine with that, especially if it meant sending Shauna and Flo and Reese to prison. 

What makes this whole shitstorm even more insulting to loyal long-time viewers, is the blatant recycling of storylines. Remember the letter from Caroline 1.0 that instructed Ridge to be with Brooke?  That, combined with the ancient baby-swap story. Talk about lazy writing. 

Today, even Brooke looked exasperated with Hope. I know Hope's ill and suffering, but this martyr crap needed to end like yesterday. Yes. It is outdated misogynistic writing. It reminds me of ancient pioneer stories of where the town spinster is married off to the widowed farmer with a zillion kids because his wife died (probably in childbirth), so she gamely packs up her belongings and leaves her mother's comfortable house to go live on a farm on the prairie.  For the sake of the children.  

[Anna Yolei]

58 minutes ago, Zoe116 said:

Watching these Thomas scenes, I can’t help but think about what would have happened if somehow PF were available and wanted to come back. Would this story even be written this way, or would they have gone with the Thomas/Sally/Wyatt/Flo quad? 

Probably so. I mean, he had the exact same story with Caroline, and before that the Adam Gregory version of Thomas was kissing Brooke on live television. At this point, I'm just gonna accept those experiences with Sasha and Sally as flukes for my sanity and hope they do better with RJ #2. 

[La di Diva]

In my B&B world PFThomas is living in New York happily married to Sally.  They run the incredibly successful Spectra Fashions with Saul, Darlita and Gran.  They are parents to Douglas and an adorable red headed baby girl named Macy. Tally have a great life.

Carowhine  is in Europe somewhere after she abandoned Douglas and gave Tally sole custody  Sally adopted Douglas. Carowhine's moms and well as Gran are doting grandmothers to Douglas and Macy.

PFThomas told Hauxdi she deserved to lose Liam after riding the Stallion. Tally let Lope know how thrilled they are that Lope are finally married and wished them every happiness.

This squinty beady eyed punchable face PsychoCreepyTom in Bell A is an imposter,

[ByTor]

6 hours ago, Zoe116 said:

He doesn’t like Lope. He just really effing hates Thomas. It’s his best feature. 

LOL!

[Joimiaroxeu]

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Is PsychoCreepyTom going to force her? Drug her? Get her drunk?  I do not want to see that.

Me either and if it happens I'm out. Again. Maybe not for year this time but I do not want to watch Thomas pull that on another woman. For sure he'll get away with it too because the show will make excuses for him as a legacy character. Brain tumor, grief, whatever. Ugh.

[mightysparrow]

I wonder when Taylor and Ridge have sit-down to discuss how fucked up both their tots are and how they use sex in a predatory manner to get what they want.  Thomas has stalked several women, including Brooke when she was his step-mother.  That should have sent wee Thomas to the nearest psychiatris's couch but...nothing.

And then we have Hauxdilox who has used her catbox to get practically everything she has .  A lot of Steam fans go on about how 'hot' they are, but that's because sex is all they have.  Liam and Hauxdilox don't like the same things, they don't want the same things out of life.  All they have is fucking.  That's all they've ever had.  Oh, and there's that thing about her fucking his father and then lying to her husband's face.  This is supposed to be a 'super couple'?  They make Ridge and Brooke make sense.

Is Bell really going to put two of the most stomach turning couples in soap history (three if you include Katie and Bill) together?  Will there be weddings where the guests pretend that each couple is the love of the other's life?  Why doesn't he just cast another man for Hauxdilox and stop throwing her with a man who has never really loved her?  And who she doesn't really love either, she just wants to WIN against the Logans, who quit thinking about her YEARS ago.

Will Hope's family stand up for her at her wedding to Thomas?  Will they ignore all the sirens and flashing lights that have been going off from the moment Hope came back from Catalina, telling them that Hope is a very unhappy, ill woman who needs help?  Will nobody love Hope enough to say enough of this bullshit, get some help?

Edited May 24, 2019 by mightysparrow

[CharlizeCat]

Because in Bell-Air, the only cure for a woman's ails of any type is a good dose of dick. /eyeroll disgusted face

I also don't understand the insistence on marriage. I know it fits into the 1950s "husband/wife/children under one roof" pigeon-hole, but c'mon. I am SOoooo bored with B&B weddings. The same assembles in Eric's living room the exchange vows under the dour glare of Stephanie and now, Quinn. Carter officiates and the same tired words are exchanged. I am convinced that these weddings are only held to fulfill SAG requirements that members must appear in x-number of scenes per year. Weddings, wakes and holidays are the best way to meet the quota. 

BTW, loved Hope throwing some subtle shade to Brooke yesterday about "lasting marriages."  Hee.

[Gam2]

Once again, when I saw Hope whining to her mom YET AGAIN, click.

[Gudzilla]

Pardon my language but,

FUCK THIS SHOW ALL THE WAY DOWN !

[Joimiaroxeu]

And just like that Ridge folded. I hate this show!

Okay Brooke. Now is the time to pursue a mental health hold on Hope. You saw with your own eyes how gone she is.

So if Beth hadn't "died" was Hope going to be all "Screw Kelly and Phoebe, my daughter comes first!"? It makes no sense.

[Waldo13]

Brooke, you hit the nail on the head but too bad that nail can’t penetrate Hope’s thick skull. For the most part, a loveless marriage does not benefit a child.  In a few years Douglas would recognize that Hope and Thomas don’t love each other.  To further expound on your relationship with your children is that you can’t own them you just borrow them.  Someday, they will be their own person wether you like it or not.  Unfortunately you don’t know if you didn’t do a good job on raising your child until it’s too late.  

Kelly and PhoBeth are too young to actually understand the concept of time so they actually can’t miss their father. They don’t understand the concept of a father but the can relate to a person not being there. 

Thomas is an out and out ass hole and doesn’t even have a clue what’s best for Douglas just what’s best for him.  Liam arguing with Thomas or Hope is as useless as trying to talk a gorilla out of peeling you like a banana. 

Oh, has the worm turned and by that worm I mean Ridge.  Ridges and Thomas should just STFU.  

I have to say, Stuffy looks pretty good post baby. Her face is now more proportional and a lot less Botoxy.  

[Gam2]

I would love nothing more than for Liam to hit Tom in the face with his fist as hard as he possibly can over and over and over. Then a kick in the ribs for good measure. Tom is a despicable excuse for a human being.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

So if Beth hadn't "died" was Hope going to be all "Screw Kelly and Phoebe, my daughter comes first!"? 

Probably, if her past history is any indication. I've never bought this martyr routine out of Hope ever, even before the baby "died." 

[Zoe116]

The derisive way Steffy said “because of Thomas?” was great.  But someone explain this to me:

Steffy: just because you and Liam divorce doesn’t mean we automatically get together.

Hope: Oh, I know. I could never dictate what the two of you do.

But... Hope? This whole plan doesn’t work without you dictating just that? What? Even if I was a person who loved Steffy/Liam together, I would want him to stay the hell away from her just out of spite for everyone who is supporting this stupid plan.

[RedRockRosie]

29 minutes ago, Zoe116 said:

Steffy: just because you and Liam divorce doesn’t mean we automatically get together.

Hope: Oh, I know. I could never dictate what the two of you do. 

Yet Hope is telling Liam what to do. End their marriage. Be with Steffy & the children. She is telling Steffy to take Liam back to be Kelly's Daddy (umm, he's already her/their father)and not just Kelly but Phoebeth's father too? WTH Hope?? She is telling Douglas (basically) that she will be his Mommy? GAH!!😱

Families are not furniture pieces you can move around to suit your needs. Hope is delusional & yeah, if Liam won't do it, I hope Brooke gets her into therapy or a stay somewhere she can get help. Poor soul needs it.

This story line is utter garbage. Makes me stabby and punchy.😖😡

ETA I'm just waiting til after the big reveal that Beth is alive that poor Hope will resent the fact that Liam actually got to spend time with Beth that she didn't....but if she keeps her marriage to Liam intact I'm pretty sure if he could  claim his  shared custody rights & they could have Kelly & Phoebeth stay with them and they would actually be a family with children. God this crap of a show is SO BAD!!!

Edited May 25, 2019 by RedRockRosie

[SiouxB]

The only positive thing I have to say about this awful show is baby Phobeth is the most darling baby I have seen in a long time...I couldn't take my eyes off the screen !! The way she was staring at Liam yesterday and at the end of the show she looked like she was grinning from ear to ear....and today she was looking at Hope...

...other than that I have nothing

Edited May 25, 2019 by SiouxB

[AngelKitty]

I don't think I have ever been disgusted by a storyline on a soap before. I FF through everything yesterday. I can't stand to listen to any of these characters talk about this crazy nonsense.

[CharlizeCat]

Well, it was nice to see Steffy and Hope actually getting along like friends and step-sisters. It was also refreshing to not see Steffy salivate at the mere mention that Lope was divorcing.* Her matter-of-fact response that it was no guarantee that she and Liam would reunite was a welcome departure. I also agreed with her ending statement that if Hope wants to leave Liam that Steffy would respect that decision. It's not like she didn't try to talk some sense into Hope.

Can't believe that the show has gone downhill so bad that I am actually agreeing with Steffy. BTW, JMW looks fantastic so soon after giving birth. Maybe now that she's a mother, she'll lay off the Botox and fillers. Her face looked much more settled and she had that "glow." 

*Hopefully, that was a glimmer that JMW was successful in campaigning for NO MORE STEAM.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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after the big reveal that Beth is alive that poor Hope will resent the fact that Liam actually got to spend time with Beth that she didn't....

Hope is all about fate now. She'll probably tell herself that's just the way things were meant to be. 😑 Hopefully she'll find out all the scheming and manipulating Thomas has done and she'll realize how deluded she's been. I still think though that she'll decide to let Steffy keep Beth because Steffy will have been the only mother Phoebeth has known. 😑😑😑😑

Edited May 25, 2019 by Joimiaroxeu

[Ohwell]

3 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I still think though that she'll decide to let Steffy keep Beth because Steffy will have been the only mother Phoebeth has known. 😑😑😑😑

And you know what?  If Hope is that fucked up in the head then maybe it's best for Beth that Steffy keep her.  Based on her actions thus far, Hope needs to get psychiatric help anyway, so yeah, let Steffy keep Beth. 

I don't know what they'll do about Liam though, since Hope and Steffy talk about him like he's a piece of furniture that they're deciding whether to keep or give to Goodwill.

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Hopefully, that was a glimmer that JMW was successful in campaigning for NO MORE STEAM.

For real, Steffy has been single since December of 2017 and made one half-assed effort in getting Liam back during that whole time. I have the feeling the Steam has long since run out, and I could not be happier for that. I can see why people liked Lope in 2012 when all Liam and Hope did was plan wedding after ill-advised wedding for a marriage neither was mentally prepared for.

But now? After coming between him and Ivy and Liam's months of whining about Quinn and Steffy blowing smoke up Bill's ass whem Liam stood up to him about Sally and Thomas? Yeah, no. It can stay dead and buried for all I care.

I'm glad that Lope finally got a fair shake at being a couple before Dr. Demento took their baby and tanked it and that Liam actually made the effort to fight for their marriage this time. It's definitely the basket I'd put my eggs in if I were Brad Bell. 

[La di Diva]

Hope will absolutely definitely get pregnant on the "Last Night Together Farewell Tour"(TM).

PsychoCreepyTom will do 1 of 3 things:  1) have coerced sex with Hope to convince her the baby is his or 2) do whatever he can to make her accidentally miscarry because he knows the baby is Liam's and she doesn't (yet), or 3)  coerce her into sex to convince her the baby is his, figure out a way to make her accidentally miscarry  and then pressure her into trying again. 

If we think Hope is depressed now, imagine her state of mind if she believes she pregnant with Baby Thope. She'll feel she's betrayed Liam and Beth and is having a baby with a man she doesn't even like.

My bet is that PCT will try Door #3, and this is where Liam will have to rescue Hope, before anything happens to Lope baby and then the Phoebeth reveal will happen as part of all this.

I'd flove it if Sally were Liam's help in all this because CrazyPants PCT, thinking she'll keep his secret, confided in Sally his Door #3 plan and that Baby Thope is really Baby Lope.

Trust me on this -- PCT will somehow find out Phoebeth is Beth and will stop at nothing to keep that a secret.  If there are murders coming up -- why not PCT as the murderer of Zoe, and attempted murderer of Flo.

Oh ... and soap gods .... please let 2nd baby Lope be a boy -- but do not name him any variation of William/Bill/Liam/Will/etc.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, La di Diva said:

Oh ... and soap gods .... please let 2nd baby Lope be a boy -- but do not name him any variation of William/Bill/Liam/Will/etc.

Maybe Liam can name him after the stepfather he said was a good man. It'll be a nice way to introduce a new name, since there's no one else in the family to name children after: Ridge got Bridget and RJ; Stephen Logan Sr is a louse; Bridget took Logan. Maybe Baby Boy Waffle will be named Cooper. 

[Gam2]

Brooke/Ridge? Ditto the last 3 months. Hope/Steffy? Ditto. Wyatt/Flo? Ditto. Click.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Thomas has such a punchable face.

Liam is on fire. I love it. But maybe personally challenging Thomas on getting Hope to '"love" him is a dangerous move given Thomas' history.

It's sad how Hope keeps using other people's kids as emotional crutches. That's a lot of responsibility to put on an innocent child, even one who's being manipulated by his Machiavellian daddy.

Ridge, AFAIC you can drop dead any time now. You're just chomping at the bit for your kid to win the never-ending Liam sweepstakes. Again. 😑

[Waldo13]

Why doesn’t Brooke just tell Ridge to STFU and mind his own business.  Ridge is  a fucking idiot and Thomas is a chip off the same block head. Yes Ridge, its better for your children. Fuck Hope.  Ridge is the cruel stepfather who treats Hope like the hired help.  

Flo in a bikini!  😍😍 Between Flo and Sally, I can not blame Wyatt one bit for being a waffle. For Wyatt, it’s an embarrassment of riches.  

[Gam2]

Is it just my memory or is this the worst soap for spending months on end making their characters repeat the same words over/over/over/over every single day? I’ve watched soaps for over 40 years but don’t remember any one of them being this sad and bad and so sorry in the writing department. These writers should be so ashamed of themselves. 

[ChiefWiggum9-1-2]

This show is famous and commended for previous efforts to highlight efforts to help the homeless and poverty,  overcoming alcohol and drug addiction. Why have TPTB continued allowing a mother who “lost” a child to be the centerpiece of two storylines which could both have been avoided if she had been given the treatment she needs, and no one has confronted her or offered help in seeking help.  Why is mental health allowed to be depicted this way? 

Edited May 28, 2019 by ChiefWiggum9-1-2

[CharlizeCat]

I agree. Even Katie got to acknowledge PPD. Well, at Beth's memorial service, Taylor did suggest that Hope attend a grief support group and offered to hook her up. That was the extent of anybody acknowledging that Hope has issues that go far deeper now than grief.

Hope sounded like a complete nutter at the end of the show today when she was pleading with Steffy to convince Liam to "come home." Steffy looked totally freaked out and was not the least bit salivating at the opportunity. Maybe Steffy will be the one to go to Brooke and explain Hope's bizarre breakdown/rant and the two of them will get Hope into some kind of treatment. That would make huge brownie points towards the Steffy redemption campaign. 

[aussieinsydney]

2 hours ago, Gam2 said:

Is it just my memory or is this the worst soap for spending months on end making their characters repeat the same words over/over/over/over every single day? I’ve watched soaps for over 40 years but don’t remember any one of them being this sad and bad and so sorry in the writing department. These writers should be so ashamed of themselves. 

Ha! Imagine what it;s like for the actors? I'm impressed that they actually manage to look like they're talking about the same old, oft repeated subject for the first time!

[ByTor]

14 hours ago, Gam2 said:

Is it just my memory or is this the worst soap for spending months on end making their characters repeat the same words over/over/over/over every single day? I’ve watched soaps for over 40 years but don’t remember any one of them being this sad and bad and so sorry in the writing department. These writers should be so ashamed of themselves. 

Soaps do get repetitious, but I agree, I don't recall seeing it done as often as they do on this show.

[TigerLynx]

I wish Steffy would have the brains and dignity to tell Hope she's a nutcase, not want Liam back, and move on with another guy.  As soon as Hope finds out the truth about Phoebe/Beth, she'll want Liam back.  If Steffy is dumb enough to get back together with Liam, Hope and Brooke will be whining about how Hope was robbed, and somehow everything will be all Steffy's fault while Zoe, Flo, etc., get a free pass.  {face palm}

[RedRockRosie]

2 hours ago, ByTor said:

Soaps do get repetitious, but I agree, I don't recall seeing it done as often as they do on this show.

I think we're all used to repeating lines & flashbacks over the course of  time but this is every single day...the same exact statements...to different people and yes, usually the same damn people.

I wish Liam would just shut this shit down. Tell Hope in no uncertain terms, tell Steffy, tell Creeper Tom, Ridge, Wyatt, everyone....even take out a freaking billboard: "I am not leaving my wife, Hope. I love her. Do not bring this insane crap up ever again!"😡

[CharlizeCat]

I agree.  Thomas, Wyatt, and now, Sludge, need to STFU and take several seats.

But ... it's not that Liam isn't devoted to Hope. Hope is pushing Liam away and although Liam, Brooke, and even Steffy, have tried to convince Hope that ending her marriage is a terrible idea, Hope isn't budging.  She has this dogged ad outdated notion that Liam and Steffy must raise Kelly and Phoebeth UNDER THE SAME ROOF! Even though it's obvious that the little girls are still thriving, Hope, I guess, doesn't see it that way.

I know that Hope grew up without being raised by Deacon along with Brooke, but seriously? What kind of life would that have been for Hope if she had to spend half of her life growing up with Deacon? I know that he went through some periods of redemption, but I think he spent a good amount of Hope's formative years behind bars. Although it was confusing, Hope did have Ridge, Nick and Eric in her life. Not perfect, but it's not like she grew up as a completely abandoned child. I actually think the Taytots (not defending their egregious adult behavior) endured more lasting damage by thinking their mother was dead, not once, but twice. They also had Bridget, Brooke, and for better or worse, Stephanie, as a constant maternal figure.

What I wish had happened was that while Steffy was in Paris, that she ran into Leo (hell, anybody!) and went out of a few dates. The budding relationship crossed to this side of the pond and Steffy wants to explore its potential instead of revisiting Steam-less.

Hope needs to go to a psychiatric hospital STAT! I am afraid that the next step might be some kind physical self-harm. God knows, she's already beaten herself up to death mentally and emotionally.

[TigerLynx]

As much as I detest Liam (I still detest Ridge and Brooke more), if Hope leaves Liam, and then changes her mind, I hope Liam tells her to pound sand.  This time around Liam has been supportive of Hope, and Hope is the one who is determined to end things.

I like the idea of Steffy and Leo.  Another round of Steffy/Liam/Hope would be about as entertaining as another round of Ridge/Taylor/Brooke, and about as pleasant as someone pulling my fingernails out.

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, Gam2 said:

Is it just my memory or is this the worst soap for spending months on end making their characters repeat the same words over/over/over/over every single day? I’ve watched soaps for over 40 years but don’t remember any one of them being this sad and bad and so sorry in the writing department. These writers should be so ashamed of themselves. 

Seriously! I probably would feel less irritated about the nothing that's happened this year if anyone were allowed to get new dialogue, ever. 

That's honestly been a problem for this show for a long while. Remember the days when We Were Wobbed! was a running meme at TWoP? I see those words in any context these days and get war flashbacks. And it astonished me because this show is half as long as the other 3 with a smaller cast, so you'd think it'd be easier to avoid. 

[Waldo13]

Can somebody please slap Hope to bring her back to her senses.  Hope is actually begging Stuffy to take Liam back?  Hope definitely needs a time out but in a facility, not from Liam. Stuffy has “woke” to realize that Liam will always be in love with Hope.  Unlike Thomas who thinks that Hope will fall in love with him.  But, knowing how Liam feels, will Stuffy still take Liam back knowing she’s really the “other woman”.  

Flo is definitely the SoCal surfer girl type.  Blonde, blue eyed, and perfectly fills out a bikini.  

Hope pushed Thomas away for now but if she gives in to his advances, fuck her to hell.  Hope is afraid to make love to the man she loves because she may get pregnant but will she make love to Thomas because of Douglas. I can see Thomas weaponizing Douglas as a complete package in having sex with Hope.  Thomas’ scenes could be a lot more sympathetic if he learns how to act. At best, Thomas comes across as an ass clown. 

There is a lot of chemistry between Wyatt and Sally and or Flo but it all goes out the window during intimate moments. Can someone say awkward.  I’m under the  impression that they make it look awkward on purpose.  

[CharlizeCat]

Everybody is supposed to take a look at Flo in here bikini and believe she had a baby a few months ago? Oh-KAY ... I know that women can get back into shape pretty quickly, but I thought you weren't even supposed to work out for several weeks after giving birth. 

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

I know that Hope grew up without being raised by Deacon along with Brooke, but seriously? 

Not only that, but Hope was damn near an adult by the time she learned who her real father was. She had to know the story of how shitty he was to Bridget well before that. How could she possibly think knowing the guy and living with him would've been better than what she had? The Ridge/Nick thing was confusing but that's preferable to having a con man/alcoholic around her. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

I think the only good thing about this horrific storyline with Thomas taking advantage of Hope's dire emotional state is how adorable Douglas is. The little actor portraying him is such a natural.

STFU, Ridge. You're hardly an impartial observer. The best for Steffy is not to keep being Liam's back pocket option. Besides, what if Liam doesn't want  to get back with her? Will you start harassing him like you did before he remarried Hope?

Heh, Flo's been a guest in Eric's home for less than 48 hours and already she's about to fcuk some guy under his roof. Class will tell and so will lack of any.

Look at Thomas acting all shocked and surprised when Hope told him she and Liam were divorcing. Like he didn't already know. Why can't he just burst into flames and die? ☠️☠️☠️☠️

Edited May 29, 2019 by Joimiaroxeu
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[Zoe116]

The next time Ridge tries to tell Brooke that Douglas can be a replacement child for Beth who can heal Hope, Brooke should ask him if being Hope’s father figure healed him after losing Phoebe 1. Because he is the world’s worst stepfather. I don’t mind if he would prefer Steam—of course he wants Steffy’s happiness. I don’t care if he wants himself and Brooke to stay out of it— given everything they went through with Stephanie, I get it. But gaslighting Brooke that this is all Hope’s idea and Thomas had nothing to do with it when he knows better? OH HELL NO.

That was some grade A emotional manipulation, Hope. “Steffy, I don’t care if you made a mature decision to extricate yourself from a toxic relationship you wasted years of your life on in an effort to give your daughter a more stable childhood than our mothers provided us. I don’t care if you’re happy and confident and content in your life choices. You MUST get back together with Liam because that’s the only way I’ll be able to fight my way out of the darkness and not kill myself.” i mean, I get that she’s mentally ill, but geez.

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop with Steffy. I actually like this version of her, but there’s no way it can last. Especially with literally everyone pushing her toward bad habits. 

Excellent. Wyatt had sex with Flo. We’re one plot point closer to the eventual reveal. 

[TessHarding2]

Is it just me or have Wyatt and Liam beefed up or gained 20 lbs? Liam has a whole other silhouette compared to last year.

[Anna Yolei]

SC seems to have a much fuller beard, for sure. I preferred when it was more trimmed up. 

[ByTor]

9 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

what if Liam doesn't want  to get back with her? Will you start harassing him like you did before he remarried Hope?

[TigerLynx]

OMG!  You cannot replace one child with another.  This is just horrible.

So Brooke believes Thomas needs to stay out of Liam and Hope's marriage.  It's to bad she never thought this applied to her when she was interfering in someone else's marriage or relationship especially when she was screwing her daughter's husbands.  Brooke is the same despicable hypocrite she has always been.

Really, Flo?  Liam and Hope don't deserve the pain of their marriage ending, but they do deserve the pain of believing their baby is dead.  Yes, Steffy is going to be hurt when the truth comes out.  Whose fault is it that Steffy, Liam, and Hope have been hurt?  Here is a hint, it's yours and all the lying criminals who's secret you agreed to keep.  You could have done the right thing, and told the truth when you first found out, but you didn't.  Pathetic loser.

Edited May 29, 2019 by TigerLynx

[mightysparrow]

I wish Liam would pull a White male version of Effie on Hope.  The next time she tells him that she wants to end their marriage, I want him to bust out with this:

[nkotb]

We're having more weather issues in my home area, & I lost cable during the show today. Did anything happen after Hope told Thomas basically to slow his tongue (in her mouth)? 

[Zoe116]

1 hour ago, nkotb said:

We're having more weather issues in my home area, & I lost cable during the show today. Did anything happen after Hope told Thomas basically to slow his tongue (in her mouth)? 

She told him he can’t have expectations of her. He yes yesed her while making it clear he had expectations of her. She told him Liam is the man she loves and the man she will always love, then told him he’d been at her house awhile. He was like, “Is that your way of kicking me out?” And Hope was like yes, obviously. (Ok, fine, she said it nicer than that, but the intent was clear.) Then Liam, fresh off a pep talk from Brooke—who rightly pointed out that if Hope actually became Douglas’ mother and not just a maternal figure, she would never leave him—came home, and they had a delicate conversation about their marriage. (Basically, he didn’t try to steamroll her into anything, but just tried to gently prod her into having an actual conversation and not just wringing her hands about the children). then they cried together over Beth’s sonogram because, y’know, months of that is totally why people watch soaps.