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[CharlizeCat]

I can't say that I'm super impressed with nuThomas' acting "skills." He's pretty expressionless. I howled with laughter at his closing scene with the "By, God! I'm breaking up Liam and Hope." The wooden delivery and the constipated expression on his face didn't fail to deliver the laughs at least to my sofa. I guess some would say that physical likeness isn't the only thing he shares with Ronn Moss, no?

I couldn't tell if CH's exasperation was due to the lines she was delivering or outright WTF-ery at being scene-paired with such a dolt.  Sally girl dodged a bullet with that one.  Speaking of Sally, how dare she spill a private conversation about Hope and Liam to Thomas. I think that was a conversation that Liam should have taken maybe to Brooke or even Katie (with the PPD experience) instead of "Bro." 

OMG! I'm at the point that if Liam said, "Fuck this. I  will go visit the girls," and packed a duffel bag, I'd hold the door open for him.  First of all, if Liam wanted to be a full-time parent to Kelly, he would have forgiven Hauxdi completely and much earlier and moved back in with her. He never would have married Hope. And yes, the fact that he's remained this long to tough out a terrible situation speaks volumes and demonstrates tremendous character growth. Hope, OTOH, seems to be regressing on a daily basis. I think she's being all kinds of selfish with her "I feeelll GUILTY, I should have stayed awake, WHAA WHAA WHAA!" Liam also lost a child, which he has to keep reminding her about. And if she's so worried about pregnancy, use a fucking condom! Get off my screen!

[Joimiaroxeu]

Stay shady, Thomas. Countdown to when he gets alone with Hope, gets her drunk and doped up, and gets her pregnant. His stepsister.

Hope, Liam is not Phoebe's dad! Not as far as you know, anyway. Stop it with that nonsense.

Wow, Sally. Gossip much?

Okay. Thomas is going full-tilt evil bonkers. Sally better use her words and warn Liam.

[Waldo13]

Who died and left Thomas boss of HFTF?  I had to laugh that Thomas is revving up a team of three blind mice.  Thomas doesn’t need Hope’s approval because he will have Ridge’s backing.  

There’s a chance that Sally will be loosing some more of my respect if she’s complicit with Thomas snaking Liam after he snaked her.  Now he tells Sally, he never got over Hope.  Thomas just bitch slapped Sally.  Thomas has moved into Taylor’s and Hope’s sphere of being delusional.  

You would think by now that either Liam or Brooke would have Hope seek professional help. 

Thomas is not only a shit ass, but he bites ass as an actor.

[RedRockRosie]

OMG. I just can't with this Thomas. Telling SALLY that Hope was the one he always loved?😳 Yup. Every bit as delusional as Mommy.

And Sally...telling this f'ed up nitwit that Liam & Hope haven't been intimate??? For god's sake...WHY?! What is wrong with you girl??😱 Talk about betraying someone's confidence. 🙄

Who writes this crap? Oh yeah...I forgot...someone living in the 50's evidently. So many awful characters, I get whiplash from how they write them.

No baby reveal is bad enough now all this nasty Thomas business out of the blue. I may have to tune this noise out for awhile.🤬

[TobinAlbers]

8 hours ago, nkotb said:

On the positive side, it's nice to see that Ridge knows his kid is a total creeper. It doesn't appear he's sugar-coating anything. 

He was calling Thomas out in his creepy behavior during 'misunderstanding' night that resulted in Douglas but the show can't ever have any of their sexual predators be called out for what they are so Ridge got the angry jealous cuckolded husband/father edit. If they were gonna kill Caroline she should've been married to Ridge with him reliving his worst nightmare of losing another Caroline and had to fight Thomas for custody if Douglas.

Anyway, I could see Thomas suffering from psychosis induced from repressed grief in losing Caroline. Dude has a history of undiagnosed /unrecognized mental illness and between Taylor and those Douglas family genes there is easily a reason to explain his sudden obsession over Hope and rapid need to build a family for Douglas. Also the show loves to play the retcon if how the Marrone kids were shortchanged in a stable family due to Ridge's waffling and Taylor's multiple deaths.

It is weird though, Thomas blew into town balls out obsessed with Caroline determined to win her away from Ridge rather than respecting CaRidge's relationship and he's back doing the same thing  with Hope and Liam. It's like the show didn't absorb any of the viewer reaction regarding creeper Thomas and think that because he's pulling this shit again so his son can have a mother the audience would accept it better when he actually looks so much worse.

[CountryGirl]

So Thomas is back to being the creepy predator he was with Ivy and Caroline II?

And Sally is giving him updates on what's happening or, rather, what's not happening in the Lope bedroom?

This show can fuck right off and I'm continuing to tune out. 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Hope is really getting on my last nerve!  Get professional help already!  The scenes between Liam and Hope are so good acting wise though.  

Loose lips Sally and Pinocchio delivering those wooden lines was a scene that can’t be compared to Hope and Liam acting wise...I think Sally is a great actress none the less.

Brooke’s hair is bordering on too long again, keep it chin length.

Missed little Douglas today!

Edited April 23, 2019 by Foghorn Leghorn

[Gam2]

Can Sally be the one standup person on this show and go tell Hope/Liam what Thomas is planning? PLEASE!!!!!!!!1

[nilyank]

Thomas is such a vile character that I literally want to punch in the face every time that I see him.

And that nonsense that Brooke tore his family father away from his family is such nonsense. Because has always been in his and the twins lives throughout their childhood. It was his lunatic mother who was missing in their lives for big chunks and during those times Brooke was helping his father raise him and his sister.

Taylor and Ridge have made the vilest children ever. Perhaps, it was a good thing that Phoebe died. She could have turned out worse.

[nkotb]

I completely agree, Thomas is just repugnant. There are love-to-hate characters, Stefano DiMera comes to mind, but I don't love to hate Thomas, I'm just completely creeped-out by him & don't want to see him onscreen at all. I started watching regularly in  summer, 2011. That was right at the inception of TOD II. Thomas glommed onto Hope & manipulated her into a relationship, which she was never really into, because she'd just broken up with Liam, who insta-married Steffy. Then, he moved on to Caroline, only to lose her to Rick. When he left, he wasn't missed. Then, he came back, & completely glommed onto Caroline again, even though she was in a serious relationship with his father. Finally, he met Sally, & they actually fit. He wasn't creepy with her, he wasn't inappropriate, they just fit. Then, he left her for Caroline, only to be in a platonic, co-parenting relationship with her, because, unbeknownst to us, he never got over Hope, who really was never into him, even though we saw that he was legit in love with Sally. There is not one good trait in the character, save for his child. Killing Caroline in such a definitive way was such a huge, huge mistake, but sending this creepy version of Thomas back to LA was even worse. He needs to go to Milan, or wherever, but they should cut their losses with this character. Every version of Thomas is vile & creepy on some level, it's not going to get better.

[CountryGirl]

So I'm hearing that today, Thomas tells Sally that Hope needs a man who is committed to her.

She has one.

Her husband.

But "committed." Interesting choice of words there.

Considering Thomas obsessed about Brooke to the point of lying that they had sex (and also kissed her while she was sleeping), conspired with Steffy (who wanted Liam) to get Hope drunk so he could seduce her (huh, imagine that?),  set Rick's house on fire, blew up Rick's car, threw Rick out of a second-story window, perved on his cousin, Ivy, perved on Caroline II (I'll never forget when an injured Caroline was trapped on the couch with him), raped Caroline II (yep, I'm going all in on this now that it's clear TPTB completely obliterated the redemption arc with nuThomas' return), he's the one that needs to be committed. 

To a padded cell. 

[Anna Yolei]

28 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Considering Thomas obsessed about Brooke to the point of lying that they had sex (and also kissed her while she was sleeping), conspired with Steffy (who wanted Liam) to get Hope drunk so he could seduce her (huh, imagine that?),  set Rick's house on fire, blew up Rick's car, threw Rick out of a second-story window, perved on his cousin, Ivy, perved on Caroline II (I'll never forget when an injured Caroline was trapped on the couch with him), raped Caroline II (yep, I'm going all in on this now that it's clear TPTB completely obliterated the redemption arc with nuThomas' return), he's the one that needs to be committed. 

Preach!

And also fuck this bullshit Brooke Destroyed My Family(tm) crap too. I thought we were done with this bullshit. Hell, I even remember Thomas #1 chewing Steffy out for this crap back when Taylor gave her the stock as a pacifier for the Brooke/Oliver boink. Funny that his mother's clear favoritism was able to bring out sympathy for the stepmother he was willing to toss away months earlier.

At any rate, fuck Thomas. Phoebe's death ensures the survival of the other two Taytots but he can sure as hell fuck right back off to Milan.

[CountryGirl]

And now this predator is going after an emotionally-fragile Hope and using his own son as a tool to aid his sick cause.

It's beyond disgusting. It's the rancid cherry on top of the shit sundae that is this show. 

[mightysparrow]

Every time I tune in to catch a minute of B&B, I regret it.

Today things started out great.  I was in time to catch the end of Hope/Liam 'afterglow' and it was very nice.  SC and AN are fantastic together and I couldn't believe the words coming out of Liam's mouth, but I loved them.  I always knew he felt that Hope was 'THE ONE', but to hear him say it was lovely.  Liam has become a man and SC is killing it.

And then Thomas PROVES that he's Taylor and Ridge's son.  I can't believe how loathsome this version of Thomas is.  PF is a much better actor than I realized because I really liked his version of Thomas.  I rooted for him and Sally and even bought his explanation of the 'misunderstanding', although it was very difficult.  I believe THIS Thomas raped Caroline.  And I believe he's going to rape Hope.  To see him use little children to manipulate a woman who not only is still mourning the death of her baby but has just finished having sex with her husband was disgusting.

What the fuck happened?  When Thomas came back for 5 minutes, still played by PF, he was STILL in love with Sally and STILL a decent man.  New York's a tough town but it doesn't turn people into monsters!  I understand that Sally has moved on but let's face it, we all know she's going to be single soon.  The chemistry between Wyatt and Flo is just too good and there's too much soapy goodness in them getting together.  So why couldn't Thomas stay a decent man, mourning the woman he never really loved in the first place, still in love with Sally but respecting her relationship with Wyatt.  Let Sally be the one that Douglas imprints on.  Let Sally be the one trapped between two lovers and watch as Wyatt and Flo get closer.

Hasn't Hope been through enough?  She's already lost her baby and apparently her mind.  Does she have to break her own heart and send Liam off to a woman so slatternly she'd sleep with his father and come home to him and lie to his face?  It's not like Hauxdilox is a decent person or that Liam loves her.  LIAM LOVES HOPE.  Everyone knows it. 

This baby switch story line is complicated enough and with Dr. Wayne Shady and Killer Mommy there are already TWO sociopaths involved.  Why does Bell think the viewers want a hat trick?

FUCKERY!!!!!

Edited April 23, 2019 by mightysparrow

[Anna Yolei]

58 minutes ago, mightysparrow said:

So why couldn't Thomas stay a decent man, mourning the woman he never really loved in the first place, still in love with Sally but respecting her relationship with Wyatt.

Because soaps in general absolutely suck at nuance these days.

I think back to the 50th anniversary of ATWT where they had all the older ladies of Oakdale on some trip where their bus broke down and towards the end of the retrospective they acknowledge that all seven (!) of them had all been involved with John Dixon at one point or another and they all got a good laugh. Likewise, Hal Munson had his fair share of lovers, at least four of whom were still active characters on the show when the actor passed away, and one he worked alongside for DECADES while co-parenting their son with the man Margo was married to for years.

Now, B&B has never been subtle in their bait-and-switch romances, but at least in the past, this has been limited to Brooke and Taylor waking up in love with Ridge (with the one bizarro Brooke waking up in love with Nick as an outlier). Insulting as those instances were, there was decades of history to work off of. The Hope/Thomas 1.0 wasn't even deemed worthy enough to be November sweeps material.

And while I was initially cheering for karma to bite Liam in his gluten-free vegan butt...no. Not at all like this. I couldnt cheer it the last time when Ridge was the one getting screwed.

if Hope were in a good frame of mind and Thomas were not so obviously the same mustachio-twirling villain archetype that Rick was ten years ago with that Steffy mess maybe I'd be onboard....but this is the same level of torture porn like the fiasco that ruined Adam Newman permanently for a good many Y&R viewers and this level or darkness is not in B&B's wheelhouse. Overly preachy PSAs sure, but they really need a hard reboot of this story, now.

Edited April 23, 2019 by Anna Yolei

[Waldo13]

Quinn, if you stuck around just a bit longer you would have heard about Thomas’ plot to break up Hope and Liam. 

I laugh every time TIIC break the space time continuum. Quinn closed the door at FC and opens the door at Spencer in less than a minute. 

Sally is back.  She’s now trying to get Thomas to be reasonable in his pursuit of Hope.  But just like his father, when it comes down to the nitty gritty, what’s yours is mine and what’s mine is mine.  Sally, please break your promise and let at least Wyatt know what is going on. Thomas owes you nothing and doesn’t deserve your loyalty.

[Gam2]

Sally owes Thomas nothing!

[RuntheTable]

Shut up, shut up, shut up, SHUT UP! Everyone can just shut the hell up! 

Well, except Hope and Liam. 

I am so positively infuriated. 

Quinn? GIIIIRRRRRLLLLL! No you didn't go to Wyatt about that. I know you didn't. What you saw was far from romantic. Frankly, Thomas looked ready to hurl. And you know what those romantic little interludes look like, now don't cha? Oh, wait, those weren't romantic. They were just some kissing. And a bit of hugging. With some tongue thrown in. Can't forget about rollin' around on the Forrester Guest House bed either. And of course there was the beach. You know the one I am talking about over there in Australia. On the eve of your kissing mate's wedding. And just one other little, itty, bitty thingy there Quinn ole girl; you were married. Sally and Wyatt aren't. 

Then we have Thomas. 

I miss Pierson Fode so, so much right now. That fifties hair, and big goofy smile. 

I don't like this Thomas. I don't like anything about him. His look, his style, his scrunchy, mean little face. I want to knee him dead in the groin in the worst way. 

Liam deserves to be with his family? Liam is with his family. He is with his wife, and she is his family. 

Stop calling Liam those two sweet little girls Daddy, because he is not. He is Kelly's Daddy. Yes, he is also Phoebeth's Daddy, but he doesn't know that. So for now, and all intents and purposes, he is not. 

Look, you little Prick, Brooke has opened her heart and home to your ungrateful ass. Your father invited you to stay there without consulting his wife, but she is a kind person, and knows how much losing Caroline has hurt you and Douglas. So of course she has been nothing but kind and gracious. And how do you repay her? By making snarky, nasty remarks. 

Liam isn't a good guy? Says who? You? I could call you a waffle Thomas; Caroline, Ivy, Sally, Caroline again, Sally again, Caroline again. But I won't. Being a Waffle requires certain things. You had those things for a short period of time. You were an absolute gem after you hooked up with Sally. God, how I rooted for you! But apparently, that was all just some cover for your love of Hope? I really just don't understand that at all. You forgave Sally for stealing from you. You stayed in a relationship with her against your family's wishes. You went into business with her. It is all so very confusing. But you are still not a Waffle. You lack the grace and the charm it takes to keep multiple women interested. Ridge and Liam have hurt the women they love. But they have done it, in most cases, for some sort of reasoning, and without malice. But you? Boy howdy, do you ever get your jollies by being a real full on creeper. Yep, just a rancid butt plug masquerading as a decent human being. Drawing pictures and telling Hope Douglas drew them? Bribing the Nanny? Lying about Kelly and "DaDa, DaDa, DaDa?" I thought I had seen the lowest, but your shit is taking it all to a whole other level. You are using your emotionally fragile son. You are playing on the PPD Hope is suffering. You are playing with some hot, hot, hot ass fire right here Thomas. And I am going to go a step further and say that you are your mother's son. Ridge is what he is. He has his skeletons, and he has done some terrible shit. But this plan you are cooking up is right out of your mother's wheelhouse, and smells like something she would brew up in her secret witch's kettle. Help us all when Thomas clues her in on his plan. Her lips will be flapping so fast. You watch how quick Thomas's plan gets ratcheted up. 

[Zoe116]

22 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Who died and left Thomas boss of HFTF?  I

OMG, I forgot how much that pissed me off. Thomas is just the worst and nothing about him makes sense. The only upside to this whole thing is drawing pictures for a grieving mother and pretending your grieving son did them is such an over the top villain move that there's no way we're possibly supposed to root for this, right? So, that means the show is framing Lope as the root-for couple?

And look, I liked PF's Thomas. He was my favorite character once upon a time. But even if I didn't, how do you take your leading man's only adult son and turn him into this? how is Thomas not a legacy character you build a show around? I know he has an insane history, but that makes this all the more mystifying. How has the last decade not been about building Thomas into a major player? It's such a waste. 

I could watch an entire show that's just the Brothers Spencer. 

[mightysparrow]

And who is Thomas kidding with that tape of Kelly calling for her 'dada'?  We all KNOW that she's calling for BILL Spencer.

[mightysparrow]

23 minutes ago, RuntheTable said:

Shut up, shut up, shut up, SHUT UP! Everyone can just shut the hell up! 

Well, except Hope and Liam. 

I am so positively infuriated. 

Quinn? GIIIIRRRRRLLLLL! No you didn't go to Wyatt about that. I know you didn't. What you saw was far from romantic. Frankly, Thomas looked ready to hurl. And you know what those romantic little interludes look like, now don't cha? Oh, wait, those weren't romantic. They were just some kissing. And a bit of hugging. With some tongue thrown in. Can't forget about rollin' around on the Forrester Guest House bed either. And of course there was the beach. You know the one I am talking about over there in Australia. On the eve of your kissing mate's wedding. And just one other little, itty, bitty thingy there Quinn ole girl; you were married. Sally and Wyatt aren't. 

Then we have Thomas. 

I miss Pierson Fode so, so much right now. That fifties hair, and big goofy smile. 

I don't like this Thomas. I don't like anything about him. His look, his style, his scrunchy, mean little face. I want to knee him dead in the groin in the worst way. 

Liam deserves to be with his family? Liam is with his family. He is with his wife, and she is his family. 

Stop calling Liam those two sweet little girls Daddy, because he is not. He is Kelly's Daddy. Yes, he is also Phoebeth's Daddy, but he doesn't know that. So for now, and all intents and purposes, he is not. 

Look, you little Prick, Brooke has opened her heart and home to your ungrateful ass. Your father invited you to stay there without consulting his wife, but she is a kind person, and knows how much losing Caroline has hurt you and Douglas. So of course she has been nothing but kind and gracious. And how do you repay her? By making snarky, nasty remarks. 

Liam isn't a good guy? Says who? You? I could call you a waffle Thomas; Caroline, Ivy, Sally, Caroline again, Sally again, Caroline again. But I won't. Being a Waffle requires certain things. You had those things for a short period of time. You were an absolute gem after you hooked up with Sally. God, how I rooted for you! But apparently, that was all just some cover for your love of Hope? I really just don't understand that at all. You forgave Sally for stealing from you. You stayed in a relationship with her against your family's wishes. You went into business with her. It is all so very confusing. But you are still not a Waffle. You lack the grace and the charm it takes to keep multiple women interested. Ridge and Liam have hurt the women they love. But they have done it, in most cases, for some sort of reasoning, and without malice. But you? Boy howdy, do you ever get your jollies by being a real full on creeper. Yep, just a rancid butt plug masquerading as a decent human being. Drawing pictures and telling Hope Douglas drew them? Bribing the Nanny? Lying about Kelly and "DaDa, DaDa, DaDa?" I thought I had seen the lowest, but your shit is taking it all to a whole other level. You are using your emotionally fragile son. You are playing on the PPD Hope is suffering. You are playing with some hot, hot, hot ass fire right here Thomas. And I am going to go a step further and say that you are your mother's son. Ridge is what he is. He has his skeletons, and he has done some terrible shit. But this plan you are cooking up is right out of your mother's wheelhouse, and smells like something she would brew up in her secret witch's kettle. Help us all when Thomas clues her in on his plan. Her lips will be flapping so fast. You watch how quick Thomas's plan gets ratcheted up. 

This shit REEKS of Taylor and when she finds out she's going to jump on her broom and fly around the moon in glee. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Heh, Quinn must've hopped on her broom and flown right over to SP to give Wyatt the 411 about Sally cheating on him with Thomas. 🤔

Aw geez, another fake British accent.

I guess Hope and Liam were pretty sure no surprise guests were going to show up while they were getting busy on the couch. With those big picture windows, Brooke or Thomas would've gotten an eyeful.

Oy, I'm thinking Thomas needs a stabbin'. A good, full-body stabbin'.

[Anna Yolei]

3 hours ago, Zoe116 said:

And look, I liked PF's Thomas. He was my favorite character once upon a time. But even if I didn't, how do you take your leading man's only adult son and turn him into this? how is Thomas not a legacy character you build a show around?

This show has always squandered Thomas from day damn one. Drew Tyler Bell was in the role for eight years before Adam Gregory replaced him and he only had two love interests ever--one of whom had also popped his uncle's cherry while he was underaged--and just had all the heat of a beach bonfire in Antarctica. If TPTB had done a story confirming Thomas was ace back then I absolutely would've been sold. 

Why does this character continually suck ass? Even aside from Ridge and Taylor being garbage ass people, this is the first born son of two legacy characters. Assuming TIIC are shooting to have the show continue another twenty years and eventually pass the torch from Ridge and Eric, it's really, really hard to support that turnover to a habitual predator.

The more time passes, the more I've come to miss Nick Marone. There was a character who had his flaws and ate up way too much of the show's budget , but even at his absolute worst he was a guy that you knew cared about the women in his life--not enough to not cheat with or on Bridget to be sure, but he understood what consent meant.

Still pissed he'd left the show by the time Liam and Hope started all their wedding crap that ate up all of 2012 so I never got to see him deck Liam at the height of his foolishness.

[Cindylou]

On ‎4‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 10:18 PM, RedRockRosie said:

OMG. I just can't with this Thomas. Telling SALLY that Hope was the one he always loved?😳 Yup. Every bit as delusional as Mommy

They sure cast the right, crazy dead eye guy to play Thomas, he IS just as insane as hi mother!  It's a good thing Steffy is out of town, our there could be some Lannisteresque  things happening, I mean Steffy is a mother who needs a father for her children, and Thomas is a father who's son needs a Mother.   BB case closed......  (ewww I can't believe I wrote that!)

Things I want from the show in the next month

1. Baby Beth to be revealed

2. the Logans forgiving Flo

3. Taylor behind bars for shooting Bill and Human Trafficking

4. Thomas take his crazy and go

[ByTor]

18 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

threw Rick out of a second-story window

That was Kyle Lowder, I'll give Thomas a pass on that 😉

[ByTor]

14 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I'm thinking Thomas needs a stabbin'. A good, full-body stabbin'.

How about another trip to the Abbott cabin armoire of doom? 😉

[Jane Tuesday]

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Cindylou said:

Things I want from the show in the next month

2. the Logans forgiving Flo

3. Taylor behind bars for shooting Bill and Human Trafficking

So Flo should be forgiven for selling a baby, but Taylor should go to prison for "buying" her?  Sorry, I dislike this version of Taylor immensely and I want her off my screen forever, but I can't agree with this.  Taylor should have realized there were about a million things sketchy about that "adoption", but Flo knowingly and with forethought helped sell a baby, a baby she knew had been stolen from her mother.  She took her 50,000 pieces of silver, and no amount of bleating about how bad she feels (while doing nothing about it) changes that fact.  She has befriended this poor grieving woman, who is now her cousin, and does nothing.  I don't want to hear one more word from her about how sad it makes her.  Not one. more. word.

Hooking Flo up with my favorite character and actor isn't helping any, either.  Can't Wyatt have anything nice, ever?  They're going to destroy Wally (and ruin Sally's character), all so that Wyatt can be devastated when he finds out his new/old chick stole his brother's baby?  As a bonus, Quinn finally gets to be successful controlling Wyatt's love life.  Maybe he can defend Flo, so we can see Wyatt and Liam hating each other again, tearing apart my favorite non-romantic pairing as well.

I hate this story so much.  It has a lot of good soapy potential, but the execution is HORRIBLE.  It's making me hate literally everyone.

[RedRockRosie]

Aside from the sweet Hope & Liam "reconnection"😉, I was beyond disgusted with yesterdays mess show ,oh heck, I was right the first time, mess.

Thomas is so slimy, so manipulating & so cruel, not to mention selfish, I just can't stand it. Never thought too much one way or the other about this actor on Y&R but man, (& maybe its because after we had PF as Thomas) I can't even stand to look at this guy. His actions (this story) are even more repulsive.

This whole story arc has taken so many stupid turns with so many lost opportunities along the way...I guess we are basically just waiting for JMW to return from her maternity leave before we can end this mess.

And Quinn...really? Leave your grown ass son alone already.🙄

All I can say is poor Sally. Another waste of a good actor & good character potential.☹️

[RuntheTable]

Quote

I hate this story so much.  It has a lot of good soapy potential, but the execution is HORRIBLE.  It's making me hate literally everyone.

That pretty much sums it up. Usually when you get a SL like this you are given a relief valve, another SL that isn't sad or horrible. But there is no relief from this. It is snaking out and growing faster than running bamboo. Four people now know what happened on Catalina Island. Flo's paternity reveal bombed because she is a treasonous traitor, who is one of the four who know, and is standing by allowing Hope to continue to grieve her not dead child, and to continue to doubt herself as a woman. Wyatt and Sally will be destroyed because of some Thomas misunderstanding and of course Flo. Hope and Liam's reconnection will be cut short as Thomas's manipulations drive Liam to go oversees. Thomas is now horning in on the success and leadership of HFTF. 

Everything is touched by ugliness. It is all a bit less shiny, with this undercurrent of sadness. And it is everyday. I am exhausted from the effort it takes to get through one single episode. 

I continue to wonder who thought any of this was a good idea. What kind of twisted mind would think a fanbase would get any enjoyment out of watching a character being kicked to death. 

[Gam2]

This show has been circling the drain for months now. I’m done with all of the doom, gloom, lying and deceiving. There’s not one person to root for. I hate all of them now. Taking a long break.

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

I continue to wonder who thought any of this was a good idea. What kind of twisted mind would think a fanbase would get any enjoyment out of watching a character being kicked to death.

Was discussing this with another fan on Tumblr who compared this to slow burn hurt/comfort fanfic...a comparison I disagree with because such fics usually don't wait will the last ten minutes of the third act to get on with the comfort part of it 😐

And it's not like Hope even had enough character development before this story to drag this out. As much as I hated Bridget getting fucked over again and again, she was a character I rooted for in spite of those setbacks because of her own character....Hope OTOH I want over with because it's just dull at this point. And gross.

[Waldo13]

Thomas is a bad case of diarrhea.  He’s like when your sitting on the pot, for an hour, and you thing your done so you wipe your ass and just when your getting up it starts flowing again.  Just when Hope is showing signs of getting a little better, Thomas has to diarrhea on hers and Liam’s parade.  

I don’t believe I’m saying this but Quinn STFU!  You are definitely not the one to be judge and jury.  Why is Sally being so respectful of Quinn and not throwing her indiscretions back in her face?   

For that matter Wyatt, STFU!  Liam, there are babies. They don’t realize that your not there.  Liam is to dumb to realize that he’s letting the fox guard the hen house. Once again I ask who died and left Thomas boss. HE’s going to make arrangements with the pilot to have Liam as a passenger? Please!

The baby switch story line is aggravating enough but now Thomas adds an extra 4 Tums to my daily dose.  Thomas is actually more intolerable than Ridge.  Quinn can bring me to that point but at least RS can act.  

Edited April 24, 2019 by Waldo13

[Zoe116]

Sally very much needs to commit these sentences to memory: Yes, I stole a few dress designs, but you know what I didn't do? Push my ex husband off a cliff. Or custom design a dagger, fully intending to murder my son's brother with it. Oh, and I also never kidnapped that same brother and raped him.

I can usually tolerate Quinn in extremely small doses, but any time she gets smug and condescending with anyone, it just reminds me that I'd rather she just die in a fire. Talk about a character badly in need of a redemption arc. Liam only had to wait like eight years or so, right?

If Ridge really wants to redeem himself, I hope he realizes exactly what Thomas is up to and cockblocks the crap out of him. It's probably too much to ask that he tell Hope and Brooke, but I would thoroughly enjoy Ridge popping into Hope's place to borrow some sugar every time Thomas is there. Or Ridge inviting himself to their candlelit dinner. Or Ridge deciding the co-CEO needs to be in every HFTF meeting.

[mightysparrow]

Why are there so many women who are willing to throw another woman under the bus for the sake of a man who AIN'T WORTH SHIT?

Sally KNOWS what Thomas is up to.  She knows that he's going to lie and manipulate his way into Hope's bed.  Sally should be on the first thing smoking to Hope's house to tell her about what she knows.  Sally is supposed to be Hope's friend.  Isn't she the one who brought a fucking puppy over to Hope's house DAYS after Hope's baby died?  Sally knows what Hope and Liam have been through.  Her keeping quiet makes her an accessory to sexual assault in my opinion and it makes me sick.  I thought Sally was better than that.

As for Flo, the time I spent thinking that maybe she wasn't so bad is over and done with.   She's willing to let a woman believe that her child is dead.  A woman who has been nothing but kind to her.  A woman who turns out to be her cousin.  Flo is probably facing jail time but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BREAK THE LAW!  Continuing the lie isn't going to save her.  The truth ALWAYS comes out; she's a character on a soap, she knows that.  The longer Flo continues to lie, the more disgust is going to be all over Wyatt's face when he learns the truth.

It's not the 80s or the 90s now when B&B played out the Brooke/Taylor bullshit.  And Brooke has moved beyond that crap.  Taylor would stand by and watch a woman suffer, especially if she was a Logan.  I don't think Brooke would be a party to shit like this. 

Women have moved forward, at least I thought we had.  To set another woman up for pain and grief and sexual assault in this day and age isn't entertaining.  IT'S SICK.

[Joimiaroxeu]

AYFKMWTS? Kelly has a mother. If her mother doesn't think her child is suffering by living temporarily across an ocean on a different continent from her father then who are Thomas and Hope to decide otherwise? I can't with these people,

Quinn. Do you never learn? Guess there's no reason for you to since Wyatt always forgives you.

You know what I hate, Thomas? I hate seeing you manipulate an emotionally vulnerable woman. Again. You're a fcuking predator. A predator using innocent children to clear a path for you to get to your next victim.

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What kind of twisted mind would think a fanbase would get any enjoyment out of watching a character being kicked to death.  

There is indeed a fanbase getting a big thrill out of Hope's suffering. That fanbase hates her.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

There is indeed a fanbase getting a big thrill out of Hope's suffering. That fanbase hates her.

Even going off of that, I'd think even they would be getting tired of the same old dialogue and the non-movement of this story. I mean, they haven't gotten a Steam reunion out of this.

And as I've said about Brooke and Liam and Caroline II, rape is no kind of retribution for anything, ever. It was always a lazy ass redemption tool back in the 80s but this is completely tone-deaf two years out from the Me Too movement. Even if this was happening to Steffy who has a whole karmic backlog owed to her, I would be livid and hoping someone walked off the set like Susan Flannery did after the Brooke story.

[CharlizeCat]

Wow! I didn't expect Thomas to be so in-your-face. That's what I dislike so much about the writing on this show. I think a stealth approach to slowly chip away at Lope (not that I condone it, but you know that's Bell's intention) would be so much more interesting and would pace the story better.

Bell can't seem to get it right. Either the story proceeds with both barrels fully loaded or drags along unnecessarily, as in the case with the baby switch reveal. 

There is enough ammo behind the baby switch now, with Flo suddenly becoming a full-fledged Logan (why don't these people do real DNA testing? I don't find a 52% match that reliable) as well as having Flo, Wyatt and (soon) Quinn involved. There really is no need for Thomas to interfere as well. It seems like an incredibly lazy and distasteful way to get the entire cast involved.

Incidentally, is there some reason why Hope can't go to Paris with Liam? Since they seem to be doing better as a couple (Liam got LAID, people!!!) and just a short trip is planned, I don't think there is any danger of Hope becoming overly attached again to the little girls. It's not like she can't miss work, especially with Thomas-in-charge.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, CharlizeCat said:

Bell can't seem to get it right. Either the story proceeds with both barrels fully loaded or drags along unnecessarily, as in the case with the baby switch reveal. 

Like I said, it's not how long it's taken to reveal this baby switch that pisses me off but the fact that nothing interesting has happened other than Zoe's connection to Storm. Four months of a mother crying behind her baby is not compelling. Other soaps have taken MULTIPLE years before pulling the reveal but the mothers involved got to live their lives in the meantime.

Why can't Liam and Hope reaffirm their vows or something? Have the death push hope into championing improvement on infant mortality--her own sister is a doctor with her own past of miscarriage. And if not something with Bridget, then maybe Margo and Clarke's son Mark and let that romance happen organically.

Literally anything but this telegraphed victimizing of a mentally ill person.

[RedRockRosie]

2 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Incidentally, is there some reason why Hope can't go to Paris with Liam? Since they seem to be doing better as a couple (Liam got LAID, people!!!) and just a short trip is planned, I don't think there is any danger of Hope becoming overly attached again to the little girls. It's not like she can't miss work, especially with Thomas-in-charge. 

That's what I yelled at the TV when I stopped FF long enough to actually catch the dialogue. Hope has repeatedly said how seeing/being with PhoeBeth helped her feel better. 😊 No reason at all she couldn't go with Liam. I'd say if anyone could use a second honeymoon it would be those two.🤨

I hate hate HATE 🤬 the writing on this show. I got done with today's eppie in about 5 minutes cause I couldn't stand to hear all the repetitive & predictable conversations.

Oh yeah, I hate Thomas. What a sleeze.

[LovesTheDrama]

I just started watching a couple of weeks ago and am wondering why Liam is considered to be Phoebe’s father.  

[Jane Tuesday]

4 hours ago, LovesTheDrama said:

I just started watching a couple of weeks ago and am wondering why Liam is considered to be Phoebe’s father.  

Because Liam has the judgement of a guppy and the emotional constance of a soggy waffle? 

In all seriousness, there was one conversation where he told Steffy he'd be Phoebe’s "father figure", since she's Kelly's sister. No clue why everyone else acts like he's actually dad to both of them.

[CountryGirl]

Yeah, he's not a creepy motherfucking predatory stalker at all.

He needs to be tossed like the trash he is.

Better yet, can someone put a bullet in him asap?

I seriously cannot believe TPTB brought Thomas back for this shit.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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(why don't these people do real DNA testing? I don't find a 52% match that reliable)

Yeah I wondered about that too. I found it explained elsewhere that the 52% means 48% of Flo's DNA came from Shauna and 52% came from Storm, not that Storm is 52% likely to be her daddy. It's still weird to me though because why would Flo have more than 50% of her DNA from either of her parents? To me that leaves open the possibility that she could have for example 75% of her DNA from one parent and 25% from the other. What would that mean and why would anyone even measure it? Can you imagine the custody battles that could ensue if one parent could say, "But little Twerp Jr has 60% of my DNA, your Honor! The majority wins, right?" It's ridiculous.

[mightysparrow]

Sally needs to march her ass straight to Brooke's office and tell her that she has VERY IMPORTANT information regarding Hope and she's willing to spill the beans but Brooke has to promise to protect Sally at Forrester and make sure that she gets her own line.  Sally might not be able to handle Quinn but Brooke sure as shit can.  Brooke could remind that bitch that she has as much (if not more) influence with Eric  Brooke can remind Quinn who the two injured parties were when Quinn was messing with her son-in-law.  If there's anybody on earth who could take Eric back to those dark days, it would be Brooke Logan.  Brooke could also manage to neutralize Ridge (or get him to handle Thomas' psycho mother) by reminding him of the last time his father disowned him and WHY.

But of course that's not going to happen because Bell is committed to torturing Hope.  We're going to be stuck with 'The Passion of Hope Logan' until Phoebe graduates from college.

[Pickles]

New Thomas is not attractive at all to me. He looks a bit Frankenstein-ish.

[nkotb]

What in the bluedilly fuck did I just see? Seriously? Did Bill just propose to Katie, 2 months after her husband left (on Valentine's Day, the asshole)? After they've already been divorced twice? Without even having shared a kiss, much less a romp in the hay (I know they've been married & have done it numerous times, but it's been a while, she could've tattooed "Thorne 4Life" across her ass for all he knows, does he want to look at that every day for the rest of his life?)? Without a clue as to whether or not she still has feelings for him? After telling her that he's on several "Most Eligible Bachelor" lists? In the least romantic place on earth, his office, where he had a secret room installed so he could have sexy times with Katie's sister while Katie was his wife? This is not the $Bill that I know & love. 

Hand on the bible, I thought it was a daydream Katie was having. I can't believe that actually occurred. Props, though, HT is a hella good cryer.

However, weird as it was, I'd take a scene of $Bill cleaning his ears, or cutting his toenails, or surfing the net, over any scene of creepy Thomas, any day. At least there was minimal sadness today. 

[Anna Yolei]

31 minutes ago, nkotb said:

Hand on the bible, I thought it was a daydream Katie was having. I can't believe that actually occurred.

Lol, I can. Ages ago when left for basic training, Taylor had gone on one date with her last husband Whip. Eight weeks later, I get to my parent's hotel after graduation to find the two of them exchanging vows.

And that was still more effort than what TIIC put into Maya and Carter engagement on the first real date! 🤣

All that said....no. just....no. Why can't they bring on a new man for Heather fracking Tom to play off of? I don't think he's gonna cheat with Brooke this time but he'll definitely be looking at Shawna. Ugh.

[Anna Yolei]

Also, Quinn can forever go fuck off looking her nose down at anyone on this show until and unless she's gonna continue groveling at Liam's feet for the rest of her life for the shit she put him through. Every single thing she accused Sally can be thrown right back at her and then some.

[Waldo13]

I’m trying to decide if Shanna is a gold digger or just wants what’s best for her daughter.  Thinking about it, she’s no worse than Quinn, Brooke, or even Taylor.  They all want what’s best for their children but go about it in different ways. Right now, Shanna talking to Bill, is innocence until it’s not.  

On the other hand, their is nothing innocent about Zoey. She more or less accused Flo of faking her DNA to become a Logan.  I see Zoey being in more trouble than Flo in the coming weeks. 

[Anna Yolei]

Speaking of Bill, I wonder if he'll be the one to finally figure this out and put an end to all this.

I mean, think about it: he's got the least incentive to hide the secret out all the grandparents, and if he brings it to light it'll go pretty far to close the gap that still exists between him and Liam and to make up for the long, storied history between him and Hope.

Normally, I'd be against such cheap tricks to push people back together, but I miss DD and SC being in scenes with one another. And also this story sucks and I'd welcome anyone that who squash it, even if that took the ghost of Stephanie Forrester on furlough from the ninth circle of Hell that she resides in to reveal the news.

Edited April 25, 2019 by Anna Yolei