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13 hours ago, smarty2020 said:

I watch Sister Wives and while I'm certainly not one of those fanatics that thinks the Browns walk on water, I don't dislike any of them.  Well, maybe I find it harder to like Mariah and Mykeltie than the others.  As for the wives themselves I see good qualities and bad but for the most part they seem like decent people.  Meri doesn't bother me with her crying.  I get that she is in a completely different place than the other wives with her only child Mariah being grown and out of the house.  She's been pretty successful at finding businesses to give herself a sense of accomplishment that doesn't depend on being a "mother".  LulaRoe seems to provide the social outlet she needs to be around other adults so it works for her even if it isn't totally clear how it makes her money.  

The crying does bug me because of where it seems to come from. It’s always when she doesn’t get her way or when she wants back in with the family. It’s never “I’m sorry I was wrong”, it’s “Waaaa I’m crying stop pushing me away” tears. And if people don’t move on with her, she’ll lash out over it. To me, that’s a sign someone hasn’t truly dealt with her deep issues. 

I also agree it was possibly Meri who lashed out at us days ago in the comments. That was too much information and upseted-ness for it to be a viewer/fan. And that’s what I mean with her—vicious lashing out. It’s not just once in a while, it’s a pattern. Maybe it’s time for the show to be over for her. 

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16 hours ago, Kohola3 said:

I have a sneaking suspicion that the person posting in her defense was Meri herself.  

I am late to the party but are you talking about DesertDude?  He posts on another board about Sister Wives and calls us mean girls.

 

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1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

My interest in this show started from Season 1.  I was keen to learn how a family so different from mine functioned.  I wasn't watching to judge, I was sincerely interested in these three (then four) women, any one of whom could be someone I worked with, or saw at the grocery store, at our kid's school, etc.  The only plygs that I had ever seen on tv were the women who wore their long hair in a braid or bun and wore neck-to-feet dresses.  I was even fascinated by the creative way the Brown wives layered their clothes.  The Brown women were different and that drew me in.  

However, after a few seasons, I started to have some serious reservations about them, starting when they sprang it on their children that they all had three days to pack their stuff and say good-bye to the only lives they knew.  That struck me as unnecessarily, harshly cruel.  Whether they did it for ratings or not, the kids were clearly stunned and many of them started crying, which was heartbreaking to watch.  Then came Robyn and her skeevy pencil sketch of Kody with her young children, essentially re-writing her children's histories.  Also the "rules" of the Brown house suddenly seemed very bendable, which made it difficult to understand the "whys" of polygamy as lived by the Browns.  Then, of course, the CATFISH came a'calling, with so many "therapy" sessions that I've lost count, with the wives alternately visibly depressed, struggling with weight, crying, overwhelmed, etc - and in the middle was man-child Kody who, when confronted with the varying emotions of the four women he chose to spend eternity with, does his very best impression of a bored caveman who cannot possibly be expected to understand or deal with these messy lady feelings.

And yet - the women still state at the beginning of each show that this arrangement makes each of them better. Wouldn't have it any other way.  Got something really awesome.  Shoulda been together from Day One.  Multiplied, not divided.  And as we plainly see each week, all of it is CRAP.  What we're really seeing is four women who would gladly step on each other to climb to the top of Kody's totem pole.  Who can barely stand being in each other's presence.  Who claim to love all of the children equally but will not take care of another wife's child.  Who clearly are not being given enough one-on-one attention from Kody, and who attend therapy together and dance around and around the big elephant in the room - that they signed themselves up for a life of polygamy but IT'S NOT WORKING FOR THEM.

I don't see this board as overly bitchy.  I think we all see what we want to see, but for the most part I think we're reacting to the dissonance between what the wives say and how they act.  

Totally agree.  I’m kinda hard on Meri because I was once as narcissistic and mean as she can be.  Reacted a similar way, lashed out at criticism and found a way to blame others for driving me to do whatever I was doing. If she really cares about anyone in the family, she’s got work to do. So far, I haven’t seen her do anything except try and “move on”. That’s not gonna work unless she’s ready to go solo. 

If she really doesn’t want to repair her relationships with the family, fine. But she shouldn’t expect them to be welcoming whenever she shows up, either. Can’t have it both ways, Meri. 

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We don't really know what Meri does or doesn't do to repair the relationships within the family, since what we see is so highly edited.  I also think that some of her sadness at being left out of Axel's birth was merited.  She would have been there had she known what was going on with everyone behind closed doors.  And then for Janelle to use it against her - like Meri had committed a family crime by not being there - that seemed a bit excessive.  Meri may be prickly but not everything she does is actually wrong.  Even with Janelle and Meri having so many years of distance between them they both could try to be welcoming to the other when the opportunity arises.  You know - like the crazy Aunt you are nice to at family picnics.  

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@lettsjetts, I can't speak for anyone else, but when it comes to this show, that forum was funny as hell.  No doubt they are buying the Browns' bullshit, and it really would be even funnier if in fact, they are family members or sycophants that just think the Browns are wonderful.  They probably are proud customers of Meri's, at least!

They freak out if anyone dares criticize anything Brown, and resort to name-calling.  Whatever.  Fine and dandy.  If I'm a "bitchy woman," that's OK too.  "I calls them like I sees them."  The two main posters there can't dill with what I at least, think is the truth.  They're entitled, but guess what?  So am I!

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I wonder, does successful business woman Meri split her LaRu(or whatever the heck it's called) money four ways with the other wives? She insisted that all income got split equally even though she was a family of two while the other wives were families of six or seven. By her rules, she should be giving each of the other wives 1/4 of her income. Fat chance... She is an evil, selfish, bitch.

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On 9/23/2018 at 3:16 PM, DesertDude said:

 

While her Sister Wives script calls for her to be a cry-baby, the real crier  of the family is Robyn.  Afterall, who cried for the first 5 seasons?   Do any of you snarky cynics actually believe that the fat ton of lard is making money being a personal trainer?   Or do you believe that Sobin Robyn is making money with her shitty jewelry?

 

DesertDude, you deleted and edited some of your outbursts but you forgot this one where you call Janelle a fat ton of lard.  Now what were you saying about us being a bunch of bitchy women?  Everyone's opinion is welcome. I have always thought this board was snarky and fun.  I love reading everyone's perspectives and am grateful to everyone who participates. <3 

Now to get back on the topic of Meri:  Mariah being 6 hours away in Utah turned Meri's world upside down, now what is going to happen with Mariah being all the way in Chicago?  Is lulano or the BnB enough to fill that loneliness?  

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All I can say is thank heavens we have moderators that keep that kind of posting in check.   What a jerk.

Meri has not improved over the years nor has she learned by her errors.  She continues to act as though she is the First Wife although she is really No Wife at this point.  I might even feel sorry for her if she she showed one ounce of regret for her past actions. But it's all denials, justifications, and flat out lies.

7 hours ago, laurakaye said:

What we're really seeing is four women who would gladly step on each other to climb to the top of Kody's totem pole. 

I know you probably didn't mean it the way I took it...........but it wasn't a totem pole, I visualized but another, um. pole.  I spit Coke all over my keyboard.

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14 hours ago, lettsjetts said:

DesertDude, you deleted and edited some of your outbursts but you forgot this one where you call Janelle a fat ton of lard.  Now what were you saying about us being a bunch of bitchy women?  Everyone's opinion is welcome. I have always thought this board was snarky and fun.  I love reading everyone's perspectives and am grateful to everyone who participates. <3 

Now to get back on the topic of Meri:  Mariah being 6 hours away in Utah turned Meri's world upside down, now what is going to happen with Mariah being all the way in Chicago?  Is lulano or the BnB enough to fill that loneliness?  

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Yup. None of us has ever gone so far as to call janelle that. My main issue with her is her trying to have a business as a health coach when she’s hardly qualified, but that kind of name calling? Low. 

I know the show is edited, but there’s a side to Meri we see on social media (the one that lashes out and insults fans). She can’t hide that side. 

Seems like Desert Dude been acting like the bitchiest one on here recently. 

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23 minutes ago, TurtlePower said:

Yup. None of us has ever gone so far as to call janelle that. My main issue with her is her trying to have a business as a health coach when she’s hardly qualified, but that kind of name calling? Low. 

I know the show is edited, but there’s a side to Meri we see on social media (the one that lashes out and insults fans). She can’t hide that side. 

Seems like Desert Dude been acting like the bitchiest one on here recently. 

If DD is in fact a man, he'll be happy to know I think he's the King of Bitchy.  I worked with someone like that.  A hot bag of wind, and never shut his pie hole.  One of the many reasons I was glad to retire, and get out of the snake pit I worked in.

I have a lot of fun here.  I'm snarky.  

I'll give Meri credit for staying busy.  I just remembered how she said "I'm not gonna babysit the other mom's kids."  Some bonus mom she turned out to be.  All for one?  Don't make me laugh.

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Desert Dude gleefully informed us that he did have a penis but forgot to mention that he didn't have the ballz to let his comments stand and deleted them when challenged.

Curiosity drove me to the site that he and one or two others keep alive by bashing us "mean girls" and crowing about how he "scooped" this group by getting the info on lot purchases first.  One poster took issue with a comment of mine regarding Janelle allowing Axel to run barefoot on a hotel room carpet and used that comment as an example of how "hateful and stupid these girls are".  The commenter then went on to suggest that Axel's feet looked really weird, "puffy and he has teeny tiny toes" and likened them to that of an overweight person.  Mean and hateful as we may be, I have never observed baby bashing on this site.

I did come away with a somewhat positive feeling from my visit to the site,  it's been a long time since I have been referred to as a "girl" and this old girl stepped a little more lightly after that back-handed compliment.

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6 minutes ago, jennblevins said:

I don’t understand why “Because I Can” is considered a good reason to do something, or even worth mentioning. 

In Meri’s case, I think it’s more of an I can and you can’t, probably specifically directed. But who knows!

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Maybe because she has had to listen to Kodouche over the years tell her no to the things she wants to do, and she is now saying she can do what she wants because she doesn't care what he thinks. Or because he has left their marriage in every way possible, she's doing whatever she wants. It's a constant reminder to her family she is free of him and them.

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I see her hashtags at flaunting herself, and as an FU to her family.  "Ha ha, I'm free of you all, and better than you are, but you better include me in all your get-togethers, or I'll blubber myself silly, and be more of a bitch than I usually am."  No wonder they can't stand her.  If we witness just what we see on the show, and all her stupid postings, I shudder to think what the others have to put up with, in real life!  Especially her "bonus" kids, who she doesn't want to bother with, except some of Robyn's.

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On 9/26/2018 at 9:18 AM, lettsjetts said:

I am late to the party but are you talking about DesertDude?  He posts on another board about Sister Wives and calls us mean girls.

 

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Huh.  What an ass.  I think we are all pretty nice.  Honest but nice.  To think I tried to be as nice as I could in my 'you are Meri's cheerleader' post.  I suspected then as I do now it is either Meri or one of her ass kissers.  And honestly?  If DD thinks what has been posted was mean, well sweetie, you haven't seen mean.  

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5 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

So I am guessing that family members cannot sell this crap together? It somehow violates a contract?

My guess is that although Meri is posing there loud and proud in a LLR getup, the objection is to the fact that SW Closet is selling clothing on their site.  It could be that LLR reps. cannot associate themselves with other lines and SW Closet does sell several t-shirts and a couple of aprons.

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17 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

My guess is that although Meri is posing there loud and proud in a LLR getup, the objection is to the fact that SW Closet is selling clothing on their site.  It could be that LLR reps. cannot associate themselves with other lines and SW Closet does sell several t-shirts and a couple of aprons.

Right. LLR considers it a conflict for a seller to represent and sell clothing from potential competitors yet Meri has been a LLR seller for a couple years at least and now Christine is selling-- and they are both still featured as owners of MSWC. A LLR Defective Facebook group member is calling this out because others must get reported to LLR compliance for doing the same thing and the Browns seem to be exempt.

From the LLR consultant contract I found online:

Section 5 – Conflict of Interest 5.1

Participation in Other Direct Selling Programs Independent Fashion Consultants may participate in other direct selling or Network marketing ventures and may engage in selling non-LLR products and services if they choose to do so as long as they adhere to the following guidelines: Independent Fashion Consultants may not sell, offer to sell or promote any competing non-LLR products to any LLR Independent Fashion Consultant or LLR retail customers. Women’s clothing and fashion accessories are deemed to be in the same generic categories as LLR products and are therefore competing products, regardless of differences in cost, quality or other distinguishing factors.

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Women’s clothing and fashion accessories are deemed to be in the same generic categories as LLR products and are therefore competing products, regardless of differences in cost, quality or other distinguishing factors.

So if you sell LuLaNo, don’t also sell lower priced quality products by a different company. Got it!

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I understand now as well. Although I'm not sure if people buying the crap from MSWC are the same clients as though buying the crap from LuLaNope.  And their products are equally horrible so not sure if that's a competition.

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1 hour ago, Kohola3 said:

I understand now as well. Although I'm not sure if people buying the crap from MSWC are the same clients as though buying the crap from LuLaNope.  And their products are equally horrible so not sure if that's a competition.

Yes! Who buys these types of clothes and why? Who has the time to watch a seller hold up items for 3 hours and claim them? Why would you sign up to sell if half your neighborhood is already selling?

To date there have been exactly zero LLR sellers in my zip code and I'm in a dense area right across the Bay from San Francisco. There is zero demand for these amazing designs. I would never have even heard about LLR without this forum. What fascinates me is the culture around multi-level marketing schemes and the people who are attracted to them- and the Browns are not strangers to this "business" model as we all know. Not surprisingly, Meri's celebrity from sister Wives seems to have fueled whatever success she's enjoying with LLR, she has 80K members in her group.  I find all this intriguing but I'm a nerdy cult-watching sociologist.

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2 hours ago, Sociology101 said:

Yes! Who buys these types of clothes and why? Who has the time to watch a seller hold up items for 3 hours and claim them? Why would you sign up to sell if half your neighborhood is already selling?

To date there have been exactly zero LLR sellers in my zip code and I'm in a dense area right across the Bay from San Francisco. There is zero demand for these amazing designs. I would never have even heard about LLR without this forum. What fascinates me is the culture around multi-level marketing schemes and the people who are attracted to them- and the Browns are not strangers to this "business" model as we all know. Not surprisingly, Meri's celebrity from sister Wives seems to have fueled whatever success she's enjoying with LLR, she has 80K members in her group.  I find all this intriguing but I'm a nerdy cult-watching sociologist.

I too find cults interesting.  I have fundie relatives, and I have watched polygamist shows, including this one, avidly.  I just find myself thinking that I was fortunate for at least having been raised by parents that weren't full-on any-kind-of-religious-devotees, to any extreme degree.  

When I drive about 3 miles west from where I live, I see a "LuLaNo" sign, that says "come shop with me."  I'm not even tempted to stop.  I wonder though, what kind of unsellable-on-line crap they are selling!

No thank you please.  Double that for buying anything the Browns are shilling, especially Meri.

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So does a person make money selling LuLaRoe by setting the price they sell the clothes for higher than the price they buy it from LuLaRoe?  I have friends on facebook that sell it and they are always talking about how they got a new box in.  I'm guessing they pay a set price for the box right?  Then they open it and sell the individual pieces for whatever price they want, hoping to cover the cost of the box and then make some extra?  It always seems like a mystery what they are going to find inside the box.

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19 hours ago, Kohola3 said:

I understand now as well. Although I'm not sure if people buying the crap from MSWC are the same clients as though buying the crap from LuLaNope.  And their products are equally horrible so not sure if that's a competition.

LLR used to be a good product. When it got really big, they must have contracted with lowest bidder (low quality, high output). I have a friend who did it years ago and it wasn’t as bad as it is now. Even the patterns seemed better back then. 

To each their own with clothing, but It’s sad these women are dumping 6k into a now poorly-made product and then hurriedly trying to off load it into other women at high prices. 

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14 minutes ago, smarty2020 said:

So does a person make money selling LuLaRoe by setting the price they sell the clothes for higher than the price they buy it from LuLaRoe?  I have friends on facebook that sell it and they are always talking about how they got a new box in.  I'm guessing they pay a set price for the box right?  Then they open it and sell the individual pieces for whatever price they want, hoping to cover the cost of the box and then make some extra?  It always seems like a mystery what they are going to find inside the box.

It seems to me that I read somewhere that there is a MSRP that the reps. must stick to, otherwise it would be pandemonium out there with individual reps. trying to undercut each other for the same garment.  Not that I think that LLR cares to protect their salespeople, it's probably something in the contract to appear to be fair.  I don't think they are allowed to set their own prices, but I could be wrong, I'm sure someone will know.

I did read that if a rep. decides to bail out that there is to be no unloading of merchandise at cost price at flea markets etc.  They must try to sell to other LLR salespeople or return for credit to LLR.  Both of these options seem to be nearly impossible to transact, so the disgruntled rep. is left with a lifetime personal wardrobe of hideous or a stockpile of Birthday and Christmas gifts they can bestow on friends and family.

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I've seen two different "going out of business" LLR sales advertised locally.  Now that I think about it, the ads didn't directly say, but strongly implied that there would be discounts on the merchandise.  Didn't go to the big sales, so i have no idea what, if any discounts, were offered.  However, I've seen LLR vendors at various events, and I'm always kind of shocked at how much product they display.  I'm guessing many of them end up discreetly selling off inventory at their cost just to try to recoup their initial investment.

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1 hour ago, smarty2020 said:

So does a person make money selling LuLaRoe by setting the price they sell the clothes for higher than the price they buy it from LuLaRoe?  I have friends on facebook that sell it and they are always talking about how they got a new box in.  I'm guessing they pay a set price for the box right?  Then they open it and sell the individual pieces for whatever price they want, hoping to cover the cost of the box and then make some extra?  It always seems like a mystery what they are going to find inside the box.

Yes. The LLR retailers are the real customers of the LLR company. The retailers buy boxes full of clothes (they cannot pick the prints-and many of the prints are unsellable) at retail from the company, e.g., a pair of leggings costs them around $12.00 and then they try to sell them through in person pop-up parties or via video online for around $24.00. The retailer has already paid full retail for this item and the business model is for them to sell it at double that in order to make money. I think leggings of similar (or maybe better) quality from Walmart are under $10.00. So the retailers start off with a sunk cost of around 5K in inventory. Here's a good article on the MLM model and why it doesn't work for most:  http://www.pinktruth.com/2017/01/18/lularoe-scam-review-a-bad-business-for-women/

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Yep, they are paying $12 for $10 to $12 leggings and then trying to off load them at higher rates.  I buy leggings online that last and last for around $12.  They are butter soft and even have yoga waistlines.  I get to pick the solid colors that I want since I won't wear the hideous patterns.  As opposed to following the company's pricing guidelines, I've found some LLN sellers who routinely do mark downs and discounts on bundles.  They sell two reasonable items with a "bad" one to get them to move.  LLN is too big to police everyone and if no one complains and LLN keeps getting orders, they don't go checking.   I still want to know how much inventory Meri has collected of stuff that just won't move.  I've been surprised that a Brown had enough hustle to do as much business as she has and wonder how the move out of Vegas is going to affect her business.  

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Her eyes look maniacal in the above photo.  I'd be feeling that way too if confronted with the prospect of unpacking umpety dozen boxes of lulano to set up in a temporary rental accommodation.  

I'm sure she is comfy in the oversized Patrick, but venture a guess that she would be just as comfy in a $7 Walmart teeshirt as she is in the $40 Patrick.  With the money she saved, she could invest in some non-clumping mascara, maybe even put a little aside to FIX THAT DAMN TOOTH!

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I'm interested to see how she's portrayed this season. She's portraying herself as a lot happier in social media lately, we'll see how that plays out on the show. Part of me feels like it's an act, that she's still the same old, bitter Meri underneath this "strong, happy, because-I-can" persona we're seeing. She's good at the Long Game. 

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So each LuLaNo "fashion" has a name?  How very 50's doll-like of them.

Amen, Sandy!  How can Meri look at her photos (or in a mirror) and not notice that frigging brown tooth?  Her eyes do have that crazed look about them.  She's still overdoing the bronzer or fake tan orangy look, too.

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30 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

So each LuLaNo "fashion" has a name?  How very 50's doll-like of them.

Amen, Sandy!  How can Meri look at her photos (or in a mirror) and not notice that frigging brown tooth?  Her eyes do have that crazed look about them.  She's still overdoing the bronzer or fake tan orangy look, too.

Yes, indeedy they do have names.   This astoundingly innovative $40 teeshirt is self-named by the designer himself.  It's a high-low, cut longer in the back and originally designed for the men to cover potential plumbers crack mishaps.  But wait, there's more...savvy females have discovered that the extra width a men's teeshirt affords allows endless possibilities for those fetching little knots that "doll up" an ordinary teeshirt into a fashion statement.   

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I live in a part of the country where people don't tend to walk around dressed in bright colors and clashing prints. It's a black and gray world here.

That said, at my little town's annual fall festival, there were two LulaRoe sellers with separate booths. People seemed to be looking at the merchandise, but I don't know if they were buying. If I hadn't been with my husband, I would have investigated more. 

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I was bummed that Mr. Xword and I missed the big flea market, a longish drive away, on Labor Day weekend.  I would have bet that there was more than one LuLaNo seller there.  I saw an ad in my local newspaper a while ago, that was a seller having an LLN closing-out sale.  I should have investigated what they had.  What kind of crap must these sellers be stuck with, I wonder?  Even our dear Meri must have a roomful of fugly prints she can't unload.  Guess what she gives her lucky family members on their birthday or Christmas?  And to think, she used to sew the kids all a new set of pajamas every year.  Can't be bothered with that anymore, I'm guessing.

Sandy, those knots are just nothing I would have ever come up with.  If it doesn't fit, I just don't wear it!  What a concept.  I guess I would make a terrible "fashion consultant" for that shady business.

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1 hour ago, xwordfanatik said:

I was bummed that Mr. Xword and I missed the big flea market, a longish drive away, on Labor Day weekend.  I would have bet that there was more than one LuLaNo seller there.  I saw an ad in my local newspaper a while ago, that was a seller having an LLN closing-out sale.  I should have investigated what they had.  What kind of crap must these sellers be stuck with, I wonder?  Even our dear Meri must have a roomful of fugly prints she can't unload.  Guess what she gives her lucky family members on their birthday or Christmas?  And to think, she used to sew the kids all a new set of pajamas every year.  Can't be bothered with that anymore, I'm guessing.

Sandy, those knots are just nothing I would have ever come up with.  If it doesn't fit, I just don't wear it!  What a concept.  I guess I would make a terrible "fashion consultant" for that shady business.

You and me both Xword.  I'm thinking one would be expected to wear those garments if you were to be a consultant.  Not ever.

 I can't say I have ever seen anyone wear them and assumed that hey hadn't hit the market here in Canada, but lo and behold, they're here according to Facebook.  

The prices here would be even more outrageous for the quality, given the rate of exchange US/Canadian dollar, plus there would be duty and shipping added.  They would cost at least 30% more here.  The knots are nuts, I watched a demo and the consultant demonstrated how to make a neat knot by using a quarter for the base form.  The quarter was worth more than the top she was trying to enhance.

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On 10/13/2018 at 6:15 PM, Galloway Cave said:

Oh Meri. I can guarantee that LuLaNo is NOT #FlagstaffFashion. Not by a long shot. And we are talking about a laid back, family/hippie/crunchy/student population there. 

Hope she doesn't expect to actually stay WARM in her "FlagstaffFashion". As someone who's spent winters there, LuLaRoe flimsy jackets and "sweaters" won't cut it. 

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