Spoiler Discussion Thread

[statsgirl]

Both Stephen Amell and Gergory Smith grew up in Toronto so that may the connection.

 

I don't know about him as a rival for Oliver Queen though.  He's a good actor and he could do that, but physically, he's a bit too much like Barry Allen.

[BkWurm1]

but physically, he's a bit too much like Barry Allen.

 

Yeah, I would prefer a bit more of a buff actor to act as Oliver's foil- to keep it balanced - but at least Gregory Smith is a good actor.  He might be able to sell a lean, tough version of the character and according to KC there is always the personal trainer to solve all problems. 

[formerlyfreedom]

Okay, guys, you're killing me! Give me a link to the tweet(s) here!

[SmallScreenDiva]

No, please not Gregory. I love him and I'm sure he and EBR would be able to play off each other nicely. But I agree, too similar to Barry Allen. He comes across as too young (even in "Rookie Blue") to me (holy smoaks, he's 30?!?). I think whoever this Daniel is, it has to be someone who can be a decent foil physically to Oliver.

Edited June 19, 2014 by SmallScreenDiva

[abhi]

Hmm, but since he is a tech genius and inventor, maybe he doesn't need to be buff.

[catrox14]

If only Jensen Ackles wasn't busy ...

[Starfish35]

Okay, guys, you're killing me! Give me a link to the tweet(s) here!

Is this it?

https://mobile.twitter.com/amellywood/status/479307483433803776

[Hipkarma]

These are the tweets , that started the wild speculation. https://mobile.twitter.com/gregorythesmith/status/479333463825203201

Hope that works for the newbie.

Sorry for essentially repeating post.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Hipkarma

[dtissagirl]

I agree that Gregory Smith is too much like an older version of Barry. But if this is really about casting, what if he's "Seth" instead? That I could see.

[formerlyfreedom]

Okay, just a reminder - The spoiler topic is about stuff that we KNOW is going to happen. The twitter posts from Gregory and Stephen ARE NOT SPOILERS. They are just RANDOM tweets that could be about them working out together/doing a con together/buying lawn furniture at the same place.

 

UNLESS IT IS A SPOILER - Please, please, please. Go over to the Speculation topic. I know folks have heard/read so much, but if you're going to post in this topic, we need a SOLID link to an actual FACT. If you read it somewhere, provide the link. If you can't, go over there, and spoiler tag it. Because if you post it here, then to other folks, it BECOMES fact. And that's not how facts really work.

 

Please, help make our jobs easier. @Lisin, @SilverStormm, and I thank you.

[dtissagirl]

I'm not trying to be contrary here, but isn't any speculation about who might be cast as "Daniel" or "Seth" a spoiler because the new characters themselves are spoilers? I've been posting under assumption that I can only ever mention "Daniel" in this thread, even. Could you please clarify, ? Thank you!

[Starfish35]

I also am not trying to be contrary, but is there a reason why we're separating out spoilers and speculation this way in the Arrow forum? It seems like it's just confusing and adding a lot of extra work for the mods. Usually it seems like the way it's done is Spoilers and Speculation for those who don't mind being spoiled (I know the Teen Wolf forum here has a Spoilers and Speculation thread) and then Speculation WITHOUT Spoilers for those who want to be totally unspoiled. Is there any chance we could go to that system?

[wonderwall]

The problem is, is that there is a speculation without spoilers and not a speculation with spoilers thread. So while you can't speculate on the spoilers thread, you can't really post spoilers on the spec thread. I think that's where the confusion lies. maybe we could make a speculation w/ spoilers thread? However, I don't think that's necessary because no one seems to be annoyed by people speculating about the spoilers here! Maybe it'll be better if the topic of the thread was somewhat loosened. Not only would that make your lives easier, but also the commentors. 

[BkWurm1]

Just to throw some water on the possible casting of Gregory Smith as "Daniel" -  I have a feeling the "Fired Up" tweet was just well wishes to Smith on the impending restart of Rookie Blue that Gregory Smith works on.  (Fifth season and I thought it was a new show LOL) 

Edited June 19, 2014 by BkWurm1

[Hipkarma]

I just can't seem to get the posting on these threads right. I'm not trying to be contrary but thought as these had the potential to be spoilers that this was where I should post as opposed to the spoiler free speculation thread. Sorry about that and I'll just refrain from posting from here on.

[Morrigan2575]

The problem is, is that there is a speculation without spoilers and not a speculation with spoilers thread. So while you can't speculate on the spoilers thread, you can't really post spoilers on the spec thread. I think that's where the confusion lies. maybe we could make a speculation w/ spoilers thread? However, I don't think that's necessary because no one seems to be annoyed by people speculating about the spoilers here! Maybe it'll be better if the topic of the thread was somewhat loosened. Not only would that make your lives easier, but also the commentors.

 

This is the "Spoilers and Spoiler Discussion Thread"  If you want the title altered to "Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation Thread" we'll need a Mod to make the change.

 

To me it seems clear, that this is the Spoiler/Speculation thread, and the mods created a Speculation w/o Spoiler Thread.  The confusion seems to come in as to what's a spoiler and what's not.  These tweets aren't spoilers but any speculation about these tweets meaning this actors was cast as Daniel (majorly doubtful) or Seth (possible, but still doubtful) should be here since Daniel and Seth are spoilers.

 

As far as those tweets go, the guy hasn't been cast as anything (yet) and even if he had been cast as something, why assume it's Daniel?  I think people are massively over-reacting to a tweet that probably means absolutely nothing.  

 

Hmm, but since he is a tech genius and inventor, maybe he doesn't need to be buff.

Looking at the casting description if they cast someone who isn't built I'd be surprised.

 

Though Daniel could be a fake name to throw off spoilerholics, this 20something gent — a major recurring character for Season 3 — is a handsome, enigmatic and highly intelligent entrepreneur developing groundbreaking technology. (Picture a business magnate in Ryan Gosling’s body.) Though exuding charm and confidence in public, he privately harbors a tragic past that will drive him to become a tech-powered superhero. Watch for this formidable fella to be a love interest for Felicity and a rival of Oliver’s – both personally and professionally

 

Last I looked, Ryan Gosling was built...hell they even made a joke out of it in that movie...Will you take off your shirt... fuck! Seriously? It's like you're Photoshopped!

Edited June 19, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[tv echo]

Since the show happens in real time and the premiere would be approx 5-6 months later, what if we discovered hints that Oliver and Felicity had already gotten together and broke up off-screen? (I feel like that happened in another show, I can't remember which one, but it would be really refreshing and outside the usual tropes.)

I believe that happened on Veronica Mars.  Veronica and Logan got together (again) and then broke up off-screen during the hiatus.

[abhi]

 

Though exuding charm and confidence in public, he privately harbors a tragic past that will drive him to become a tech-powered superhero

Will Season 3 be the origin story of this character since it says "will" implying in the future. Since this is a heavily recurring character, maybe if the character is well received then the EPs are planning to make the character a regular. I remember there were rumors that if Flash pilot was not picked up then he would remain on Arrow. 

[Password]

I would've loved if Barry stuck around for a few more episodes. He and Felicity's awkward adorableness made me smile and laugh. So much levity brought between the two while Oliver broods over not having given permission on telling Barry.

[FurryFury]

I believe that happened on Veronica Mars.  Veronica and Logan got together (again) and then broke up off-screen during the hiatus.

 

I don't think that's the same thing. That was your usual Downtime Downgrade trope (which I personally hate), because Logan and Veronica's hook-up had already been shown by that point. Now, Oliver and Felicity didn't get together yet, so of course if any resolution to their will-they-or-won't-they storyline were to happen off-screen, the fans of this pairing would be (rightfully) disappointed.

 

I would've loved if Barry stuck around for a few more episodes. He and Felicity's awkward adorableness made me smile and laugh. So much levity brought between the two while Oliver broods over not having given permission on telling Barry.

 

Oh, I very much agree. While I liked Barry, both the character and the actor, I'm very much afraid it's going to change on his own show, because many, many writers are afraid to make their leads funny, and Barry should be pretty dorkish, IMO. And knowing these writers, he'll probably become full of angst very quickly. Just compare, say, Doctor Who Jack Harkness and Torchwood Jack Harkness - this is what I'm talking about.

 

And speaking about Felicity, I'm actually glad I'm not watching season 3, because if they luck out with "Daniel"s casting and writing, I might well start shipping them, since I like Felicity but can't bring myself to care about Oliver at all (and also because I tend to ship a couple that stands in the way of the pairing the show's trying to push, if they push strongly enough, and god knows these writers do. I'd probably ship Laurel/Tommy in s1 if I didn't despise Laurel from the pilot).

[Starfish35]

Oh, I very much agree. While I liked Barry, both the character and the actor, I'm very much afraid it's going to change on his own show, because many, many writers are afraid to make their leads funny, and Barry should be pretty dorkish, IMO. And knowing these writers, he'll probably become full of angst very quickly. Just compare, say, Doctor Who Jack Harkness and Torchwood Jack Harkness - this is what I'm talking about.

Huh. This actually hadn't occurred to me that they might change Barry, but it's true about Jack. I loved Doctor Who Jack and despised Torchwood Jack.

[FurryFury]

Well, it just seems like something that might happen to Barry. Oliver's a pretty humorless hero, and Arrow's often feels like "the more angst, the better". I'd feel better about Flash if I knew it was in different hands, probably.

[tv echo]

Given all the spoilers I've read, I'm starting to lean towards agreeing with those who think that Season 3 will include a real exploration of the Oliver/Felicity relationship (including drama involving 'Daniel' and the baby mama, and culminating in a real romance), plus a host of "Batman villains" - all as a way of offsetting the backlash of showing Laurel's journey toward becoming the Black Canary.  I'm afraid, though, that Season 3 will end this way: the villains are defeated, but the Oliver/Felicity romance is over or suspended because it threatened their ability to defeat bad guys; and Laurel either becomes or is significantly on her way towards becoming the Black Canary because Sara has died.

[abhi]

But if Oliver/Felicity get together and then break up, will they be able to work as partners. It would be awkward as hell and I don't think Felicity will be able to make her smart/funny comments to Oliver anymore. 

Edited June 20, 2014 by abhi

[Password]

I don't think they're going to get together in season 3. If anything the Daniel fellow might have a real go at wooing Felicity. I'd like to see it happening to be honest. If Felicity and Oliver decide their friendship is more important for the time being then I'm cool with that. People should choose friendship more often. At least then some feelings would've been acknowledged.

[abhi]

Video from Denver Comic Con, Amell on playing a character in Justice League movie.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wxoxd0mOVM

[Danny Franks]

So from the recent spoilers, it looks like the Rolling Recurring Love Interest Express is about to leave the station. Sigh. Not sure I can be bothered with all that shit, to be honest. I never find jealousy romantic or dreamy, or any of the other stuff that TV writers seem to think it is.

[Password]

So from the recent spoilers, it looks like the Rolling Recurring Love Interest Express is about to leave the station. Sigh. Not sure I can be bothered with all that shit, to be honest. I never find jealousy romantic or dreamy, or any of the other stuff that TV writers seem to think it is.

 

I can't agree more. I'm so done with the jealousy trope.

[statsgirl]

Few things turn me off a TV series faster than The Couple repeatedly getting outside love interests as a way of stalling putting them together.
 
I'm hoping that since Daniel is also Oliver's rival in business and superhero-dom, it won't be just about Felicity.  And if Oliver's I Love You was real in any way, I don't see how they can put him together with another woman, unless it's Laurel in a "let's try it again" (which I will be fast forwarding).
 

Video from Denver Comic Con:

SA:  I'm doing the version of Green Arrow and Caity's doing the version of Black Canary.

I hope that means that Sara is the official Black Canary.

[Danny Franks]

Few things turn me off a TV series faster than The Couple repeatedly getting outside love interests as a way of stalling putting them together.

 

I'm hoping that since Daniel is also Oliver's rival in business and superhero-dom, it won't be just about Felicity.  And if Oliver's I Love You was real in any way, I don't see how they can put him together with another woman, unless it's Laurel in a "let's try it again" (which I will be fast forwarding).

 

 

Nah, that'd just make it worse for me. These shenanigans usually make me dislike at least one of the characters involved. And if this guy is some big rival of Oliver's, then seeing Felicity fall for him would just make me angry with her. Because even if there's no romance between her and Oliver, there should be some sort of loyalty and solidarity. But I guess it's more 'dramatic' and 'exciting' to have her fall for Oliver's rival. What was that I said a few weeks ago, that any relationship Felicity has will end up being about Oliver? Yeah.

 

It'd be like if they brought in some mean girl from Felicity's past and then had Oliver bang her (which will probably happen, now that I think about it). Insensitive jackhole behaviour, and I'd rather not see Felicity acting like that. The idea that she would be involved with someone she knows is any kind of threat to Oliver is just a no go, for me. And that's more about Team Arrow than it is about Olicity.

Edited June 22, 2014 by Danny Franks

[Password]

Perhaps the point they're trying to make by allowing her to have a love interest so similar to Oliver is that his nonsense about "because of the life that I lead" seems less potent in the face of Felicity's new interest. One thing I actually look forward to in s3 is Oliver's evolving as a person, and in his personal life. In his past he's losing his humanity, in the present he's regaining it.

 

I also think Felicity is too loyal to Oliver to do something that would go against what we've learnt from her character, but I am interested to see her personal life take off. She's very Oliver oriented, which is fine because it's called Arrow not Bitch with Wifi, and perhaps they could've found a different route for her to go through, but Oliver gets all the fun. It's about time someone as good looking (if not better than Oliver) takes notice of her and who she is because Oliver is still learning be a big boy.

 

It'd be like if they brought in some mean girl from Felicity's past and then had Oliver bang her (which will probably happen, now that I think about it). Insensitive jackhole behaviour, and I'd rather not see Felicity acting like that.

 

Oh my word don't say such! The writers might see this and do it!!!

[Danny Franks]

Perhaps the point they're trying to make by allowing her to have a love interest so similar to Oliver is that his nonsense about "because of the life that I lead" seems less potent in the face of Felicity's new interest. One thing I actually look forward to in s3 is Oliver's evolving as a person, and in his personal life. In his past he's losing his humanity, in the present he's regaining it.

 

 

That's usually the sort point writers try to make with this shit. 'Look how similar this guy/girl is to the main character! It's almost as if we're trying to tell you something!' It never makes it watchable, for me. 

 

And the trouble is, from what I've seen of Oliver, it would make sense to me that seeing Felicity with some other guy (even if it is an Oliver analogue who is also his rival) would be more likely to make him shut down emotionally, than to make him grow. We've seen it before, from him. That's an established character trait by this point, I think. When he feels emotionally compromised, he takes the easiest way out. He tells himself, 'no more. I can't be happy'. To have him go a different way this time would feel false to me. I don't think threatening Oliver's happiness is a viable way of having him decide to be happy. From what I've seen, he doesn't work that way. Growth is one thing, contradicting established character is another. So I'm back to seeing it as a way of putting the audience on one of those "roller coasters" that TV writers think are such great fun.

 

The best way, for me, to explore Oliver's desire to be happy would be primarily through platonic relations. A more reciprocal relationship with Diggle, a discovery of the child he didn't know he had. Hell, they could even have him devote more than a second of thought to his one living family member. Romance is not Oliver Queen's strong point, and I don't think it's good place for him to start trying to embrace life. Especially not if it's framed by showing him what he could have if he wasn't so messed up.

 

And I don't think the idea of an Oliver analogue works for Felicity either. Because where's the story? That she's dating a guy like Oliver without realising it? Is she trying to make a point? Is it actually just SA playing this guy, wearing a wig and a fake nose? Why not give her someone who is completely detached from all of this and give her a choice. What does she want? If she wants Oliver, then give her a fucking backbone and let her be honest about it. If she wants a normal, happy life, then it could be with some guy who is completely separate from anything Oliver related. Setting up a potential romance with Fauxliver just doesn't seem to do anything for her character other than tie her further into Oliver's quest for happiness.

[Lokiberry]

Nah, that'd just make it worse for me. These shenanigans usually make me dislike at least one of the characters involved. And if this guy is some big rival of Oliver's, then seeing Felicity fall for him would just make me angry with her. Because even if there's no romance between her and Oliver, there should be some sort of loyalty and solidarity. But I guess it's more 'dramatic' and 'exciting' to have her fall for Oliver's rival. What was that I said a few weeks ago, that any relationship Felicity has will end up being about Oliver? Yeah.

 

It'd be like if they brought in some mean girl from Felicity's past and then had Oliver bang her (which will probably happen, now that I think about it). Insensitive jackhole behaviour, and I'd rather not see Felicity acting like that. The idea that she would be involved with someone she knows is any kind of threat to Oliver is just a no go, for me. And that's more about Team Arrow than it is about Olicity.

 

We don't know how this is going to play out. Maybe Daniel is going to offer Felicity a job, maybe they'll have a lot in common and become good friends, maybe this thing about being Oliver's "rival" is going to be more about Oliver contemplating his own perceived failures and inadequacies then anything Daniel actually does to him. Maybe when they said we'd find out early in S3 whether Oliver meant his ILY to Felicity, they meant he's going to blow off his  team and start sniffing around Laurel's new Black Canary fishnets.

 

I'm just uncomfortable with the notion that Felicity must remain "loyal", while Oliver and his penis do what(and who)ever they please. She's a grown woman; she needs work, friends, and maybe a little romance. The reason Oliver and Felicity aren't together right now is because Oliver has chosen not to pursue it, for whatever reason. Felicity is not obligated to wait around in the vain hope that he'll change his mind.

 

 I don't see how Felicity dating someone else, even if it's someone Oliver doesn't like, is disloyal. I don't see how her working for, or with, someone else (as long as it's not Merlyn, or some other known villain) is disloyal. I don't even see how her working with another superhero is disloyal. Felicity needs agency in her own life. She can't just be Oliver's property because that makes them both look bad.

[Danny Franks]

I'm just uncomfortable with the notion that Felicity must remain "loyal", while Oliver and his penis do what(and who)ever they please. She's a grown woman; she needs work, friends, and maybe a little romance. The reason Oliver and Felicity aren't together right now is because Oliver has chosen not to pursue it, for whatever reason. Felicity is not obligated to wait around in the vain hope that he'll change his mind.

 

 

I thought I made it pretty clear that Felicity's loyalty here has nothing to do with any interest she might have in Oliver's penis. She's his friend, and more than that, she's an integral part of Team Arrow. The idea that some guy can come in and be a rival of Oliver's, in business, vigilantism or whatever, and even look like being able to entice her away from him (romantically or professionally) does not sit well with me. 

[wonderwall]

I would tend to agree with @Danny Franks... If my best friend were uncomfortable with the guy I was dating, I would probably reconsider dating this person. Oliver is more to Felicity than her partner or boss, first and foremost, they're friends... maybe even best friends? So yeah, it would be pretty shitty of her to disregard Oliver's feelings if she ever does find out that Oliver is uncomfortable with Daniel. 

 

I guess we'll have to see how important Daniel turns out to be for Felicity

[Starfish35]

I don't know - I'm really uncomfortable with that. That gives Oliver all the power in the relationship. I seriously doubt Oliver is going to not date someone because Felicity doesn't like them. So why should he have that power over who she dates? :(

Edited June 22, 2014 by Starfish35

[Password]

Maybe when they said we'd find out early in S3 whether Oliver meant his ILY to Felicity, they meant he's going to blow off his  team and start sniffing around Laurel's new Black Canary fishnets.

 

I just died of laughter when I read this. I literally could see it happening and it made me burst out with laughter.

 

I'm excited to see exactly how they handle this "love triangle" if it actually turns out to be one. Not for the triangle, but for what they're going to have the characters do. Daniel will be interesting I think because Oliver doesn't particularly share well and Felicity wasn't one to allow him to carry on on his merry way. Both Diggle and Felicity's personal lives will involve Oliver growing as a character. He's not nearly as emotionally closed off anymore, in particular with Felicity. So how the ILY is handled early on will be particularly interesting if Felicity cools the jets. Seriously she is far too emotionally invested in that boy.

 

I was thinking more professionally she might be loyal i.e. not let her personal interfere with team Arrow. Oliver blew up when she visited Barry, this time his reaction may be different. Frankly I don't think Oliver should have any say in whom she dates. Unless he's like a criminal. Then Diggle would step in too, but I don't see how dating Daniel makes her disloyal.

 

Can't wait for more spoilers. Such food for thought, but hopefully they don't reveal the whole of frikin s3.

[Danny Franks]

I don't know - I'm really uncomfortable with that. That gives Oliver all the power in the relationship. I seriously doubt Oliver is going to not date someone because Felicity doesn't like them. So why should he have that power over who she dates? :(

 

But again, that seems to be painting the relationship solidly in romantic lines. And I don't think it is. It's not about him having the power over who she dates, but about Felicity deciding not to date someone she knows her friend dislikes. Attributing a choice she makes to Oliver's feelings on it is what makes their friendship uneven, I think. And I certainly wouldn't mind if they turned it around and had Oliver refrain from dating some woman Felicity dislikes. Especially if that came up as the result of him connecting more with his friends, and wanting to be closer to them.

 

Take their possible romantic feelings for one another completely out of the equation, and look at it as wonderwall did. They're friends, and friends try not to upset one another. To me, that should be the driver of Oliver's journey, at least in the early part of season 3: coming to terms with the fact that he has friends and he wants to engage more with them.

 

I don't have much faith in the writers, though. I'm sure they will have Felicity fall for this new guy, and they'll have Oliver reconnect with Laurel as some sort of reactionary, petty response to it. Because that's how they think people work.

Edited June 22, 2014 by Danny Franks

[calliope1975]

I seriously doubt Oliver is going to not date someone because Felicity doesn't like them. So why should he have that power over who she dates? :(

 

Well, we saw what happened when Felicity expressed her dislike of Isabel, but maybe Oliver's learned something since then. I also think that Felicity's loyalty to Oliver/Team Arrow/TA's cause doesn't have to prevent her from dating or falling for someone else. As said above, as long as the guy's not an outright villain, get it girl. I have no problem with her dating a potential business rival. I suppose it depends on how the Daniel character is portrayed which we won't know until S3 begins. 

[Starfish35]

Even taking romantic feelings off the table, it still feels too much like Felicity making decisions about her own life based on what Oliver likes or doesn't. Yes, they're friends, but their friendship does not oblige her to revolve her decisions around him, especially when he shows no signs of reciprocating such loyalty. If this guy was a known enemy of Oliver/Arrow, than I'd agree. But if he's not? I don't think she's required to consult his feelings on anyone she dates, especially after how he treated her over Barry.

[Password]

To this day I still don't understand his beef with Barrels. Felicity needs to do her thang as far as romance is concerned.

[quarks]

I'm also hoping it won't be just about Oliver and Felicity, and that it's over relatively soon, though in my case mostly because I feel that I've seen this play out on this show enough already, and Oliver and Felicity have much more serious barriers than romantic rivals to worry about. I'd rather have them focus on that - more or less the same way Leverage handled its two pairings - keeping it as a sideline while the show goes on.

 

And if this guy is some big rival of Oliver's, then seeing Felicity fall for him would just make me angry with her. Because even if there's no romance between her and Oliver, there should be some sort of loyalty and solidarity.

 

 

I honestly hadn't thought of this angle, but you're right: a huge part of the problem with Isabel, and why Felicity felt she could actually say something, was that Isabel was originally a business rival, so, touch of disloyalty there along with the "What were you thinking?"  Barry, however, was all YAY VIGILANTE I LOVE YOU ARROW HERE IS A MASK so Felicity's interest in him wasn't really disloyal. And even with that, Oliver got all angry when Felicity was away.

 

The casting call does seem to be speculating that this new guy will be a business AND a romantic rival, which means that any serious interest on Felicity's part could look really disloyal until/unless he becomes another member of the team and/or ends up over on Flash.

[Danny Franks]

Even taking romantic feelings off the table, it still feels too much like Felicity making decisions about her own life based on what Oliver likes or doesn't. Yes, they're friends, but their friendship does not oblige her to revolve her decisions around him, especially when he shows no signs of reciprocating such loyalty. If this guy was a known enemy of Oliver/Arrow, than I'd agree. But if he's not? I don't think she's required to consult his feelings on anyone she dates, especially after how he treated her over Barry.

 

But people do base decisions in their lives on the feelings of those they care about. To not do so would be pretty sociopathic, wouldn't it? I don't know how we can judge whether Oliver would reciprocate such loyalty or not, because the issue has never arisen. Isabel? A one-nighter with a woman who made a couple of catty remarks about Felicity? Yeah, not great. And if he had actually entered into a relationship with Isabel after Felicity told him he deserved better, then worse. But he didn't. He never went near Isabel again.

Edited June 22, 2014 by Danny Franks

[JayKay]

Well, we saw what happened when Felicity expressed her dislike of Isabel, but maybe Oliver's learned something since then.

At this point, Felicity's instinctive feelings towards a new character should be considered a spoiler. Hopefully Oliver's paying attention.

 

I think that Felicity getting together with a rival of Oliver's is a juvenile way to start a love triangle, but the whole "you can't be friends with that person if you're friends with me" thing is equally juvenile imo. I actually liked how they handled Oliver's friendship with Blood during his mother's campaign against him, so maybe the writers will weigh in on the mature side of the scale in regards to how Oliver and "Daniel" interact. They're capable of believably writing everyone behaving like adults.

[Starfish35]

But people do base decisions in their lives on the feelings of those they care about. To not do so would be pretty sociopathic, wouldn't it?

Then there's a whole lot of sociopaths out there. People date and even marry people all. the. time. their family and/or friends don't care for. This idea of giving control over your romantic life to other people in your life is very very weird to me.

Edited June 23, 2014 by Starfish35

[apinknightmare]

 

The casting call does seem to be speculating that this new guy will be a business AND a romantic rival, which means that any serious interest on Felicity's part could look really disloyal until/unless he becomes another member of the team and/or ends up over on Flash.

 

Maybe Daniel will become a business rival AFTER he and Felicity start seeing each other (assuming they do, I guess). That could be *somewhat* interesting, but...yeah, I just hate love triangles.

[calliope1975]

They're capable of believably writing everyone behaving like adults.

 

Agreed. If the writer decide to go all lame love triangle with the Daniel character, hopefully it will be written like Oliver/Laurel/Tommy. As in, not really written at all.  

[Danny Franks]

Then there's a whole lot of sociopaths out there. People date and even marry people all. the. time. their family and/or friends don't care for. This idea is very very weird to me.

 

There are a lot of sociopaths out there, I agree. I think many go undiagnosed, but that's besides the point. The point was that I don't think it's at all unreasonable or neutering to consider the feelings of those important to you before you decide on a course of action. And I don't think it would be diminishing Felicity's power if she decided to. Especially given that she's generally been shown to be the most empathetic person on this entire show.

 

Agreed. If the writer decide to go all lame love triangle with the Daniel character, hopefully it will be written like Oliver/Laurel/Tommy. As in, not really written at all.

 

 

I think the reason that wasn't annoying (until the end, when it was annoying) is because none of them were actually in a love triangle. Tommy and Laurel were trying to make a relationship work, and Oliver didn't seem to give a shit about it, other than to be vaguely supportive when the subject came up. But that seemed to be due to his ability to compartmentalise and disassociate himself emotionally, which was indicative of his emotional trauma. And if he's meant to become a real boy, it should be something he finds harder to do. Thus, jealousy.

 

If they actually had him just appear disinterested in Felicity's romance, then I think that would be counterproductive for whatever this storyline is intended to achieve (either in terms of character progression or audience reaction).

Edited June 22, 2014 by Danny Franks

[Starfish35]

To me the problem is that Felicity has already been shown to have her life revolve around Oliver to a disturbing degree, and for her to make dating choices based on what Oliver does or does not like just continues to make it worse. A LOT worse. Felicity needs a life independent from Oliver. I mean, do you think Diggle would break up with Lyla if, hypothetically, she and Oliver ended up on different sides? I wouldn't. I would actually think less of Diggle if he did. So why is it different for Felicity?

Edited June 22, 2014 by Starfish35

[Danny Franks]

To me the problem is that Felicity has already been shown to have her life revolve around Oliver to a disturbing degree, and for her to make dating choices based on what Oliver does or does not like just continues to make it worse. A LOT worse. Felicity needs a life independent from Oliver. I mean, do you think Diggle would break up with Lyla if, hypothetically, she and Oliver ended up on different sides? I wouldn't. I would actually think less of Diggle if he did. So why is it different for Felicity?

 

If Lyla was a woman Diggle had just met and started dating, or hadn't even begun dating, and they found out she was on a different side? Yes, I think Diggle would end things. But she's not. She's his ex-wife who he was still in love with, and has reunited with. And they're going to be having a child together.

 

Yes, Felicity needs a life away from Oliver. So why would Oliver's business rival be a good place to start? As I said in a previous post, give her someone completely separate. Someone who has no ties to Oliver Queen or Oliver Queen's rivals or enemies. A nice, fun guy that she meets by chance and hits it off with. Make the storyline about her, and not about how her relationship affects Oliver.