Episode Discussion: TFGH

[jsbt]

I have to say, Franco came off pretty brutal today. I don't know if it's as delusional as thinking AJ or Laura will come back anytime soon but I'll just dream that Ron and Frank are keeping some sort of RoHo exit under very tight wraps.

 

I haven't sacrificed nearly enough goats for that to happen. I had hope a month or so ago, but now I think they are really into making Fronk-et-Neeno a thing when the dust clears here. She was off her meds, he had a brain tumor, but they're still craaaaaazyyyyy in love! What do you mean you don't like them? Do you - do you know who these actors are? Are you saying you approve of Sonny and the mob?

Edited November 3, 2014 by jsbt

[Artsda]

Liz should have been fired a billion times over, from even before Obrecht was COS.

[Dandesun]

I'm just hoping that The Flash makes it necessary for RoHo to leave. It's long past time.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Dandesun

[CPP83]

Shouldn't Olivia have been a wedding guest? She and Snarly are almost friends.

 

 

 

Didn't she express a constant desire to call him a "freak", and rightfully so while condemning their nuptials at every given turn bar her from getting an invite? I'm sure she'll regret it now though.

[ulkis]

Shouldn't Olivia have been a wedding guest? She and Snarly are almost friends.

 

No. Olivia hates Franco and told Carly the wedding was a horrible idea.

[LeftPhalange]

I'm surprised that desperate loser Liz didn't offer to take out a couple of loans so she could help Jakeson pay his hospital bills.

 

Bobbie needs to tell Scott to have 1,000 seats. Why would anyone other than stupid trick Kaka care about the SERIAL KILLER'S feelings.

 

I hope Michael doesn't forget to stab the SERIAL KILLER in the face while he's going on his rampage this week.

[jsbt]

I forgot to mention how fucking hilarious dumbass Jordan (whose IQ dropped the minute her hair got big again) looked trussed up in that warehouse. It looked like they basically wrapped her in bubble wrap or tinfoil.

[CPP83]

I have to say, Franco came off pretty brutal today. I don't know if it's as delusional as thinking AJ or Laura will come back anytime soon but I'll just dream that Ron and Frank are keeping some sort of RoHo exit under very tight wraps.

 

 

 

 

It's the one good outcome that could come from this, the SERIAL KILLER can ride out of town on a high knowing he's done again what he first came to PC to do, ruin and wreck all the lives of Jason's beloved kin.

[Francie]

I don't consider it to be slut shaming when a woman is actively cheating on her fiance. I consider that calling out someone for cheating. However, I would love it if they used the term 'whore' for the men who cheat, too. I mean, Sonny's the biggest slut on this show and someone should damn well call him that.

 

Partially it is because only women are typically called out and "humiliated" in this manner. 

 

It has to do a bit with the writers having Franco repeat the "lying, cheating whore!" line twice today and once on Friday. It's like the writing staff is getting its jollies from publicly having Carly called these names. And he gets to spit it out with such gleeful satisfaction.

 

It has to do with the public attempt to shame, in front of her children.

 

It has to do with Sonny not being judged at all. And his behavior over the past year has been far worse.

 

It has to do with Franco being a serial killer, a liar himself, and he even attempted matricide. The idea that he has any place to judge a woman for cheating on him? It's repulsive to me. And I hate Carly with the heat of 10,000 nuns. [/TWOP]

 

So, yeah, it's "slut shaming." In my book. It was a daytime soap version of stoning.

 

I also have issues with the terms 'whore' and 'slut' themselves. I wish that other people saw them in league with other certain words that are verboten. Because even when they arguably seemed justified, they are terms used against all women by those who simply want to belittle women. They are the words of the unintelligent. Words of the bullies. And they have no place in any enlightened or intelligent person's vocabulary, in my opinion.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Francie

[ulkis]

I haven't sacrificed nearly enough goats for that to happen. I had hope a month or so ago, but now I think they are really into making Fronk-et-Neeno a thing when the dust clears here. She was off her meds, he had a brain tumor, but they're still craaaaaazyyyyy in love! What do you mean you don't like them? Do you - do you know who these actors are? Are you saying you approve of Sonny and the mob?

 

Ron: A focus group loves them!

[dubbel zout]

Michael said "supposably" during his rant to Franco. Sigh.

 

Morgan is okay with Sonny killing Ava? Morgan sucks. And how does killing the mom not harm the baby, guys? It'll grow up without a mom. Ugh. So gross.

 

I was delighted Franco remembered to throw Kiki under the bus.  That's what you get for sticking up for a SERIAL KILLER

 

That was immensely satisfying.

 

Scotty getting all huffy about Bobbie lying about Carly was stupid of him, sorry Scott. Bobbie acting like she did something wrong was even worse. She shoulda just been all "sorrynotsorry Scott".

 

I know. Bobbie shouldn't have lied, but it's not about Scott.

 

I've never been a fan of Ava or MW, but damn if those scenes of her crawling on the floor weren't gross.

 

I loved the expression on Sonny's face in the paused video. 

 

So it's all finally out. Yay. Now Michael can kick Sonny, Carly, and Lauren out of his life forever. (Or three months, whichever comes first.)

[Harmony233]

I think GH is actually tame with the name calling compared to DAys is.I mean it seems like on that show everyone is been called bitches and whores ect.

[Syndicate]

RH was excellent today.  He played the reveal perfectly.

 

Had to laugh when Carly was all indignant that Franco had her bugged. If given a choice of what was worse, cheating or giving your gf a gift that keeps on giving, Carly clearly has no place to talk.

 

Dare I hope there is some fall out for Bobbie lying to Scott?

 

I really thought something was going to happen last minute to stop the reveal, like Heather showing up, then I realized she's the one that most likely shot up Sonny's goon.

 

So Morgan is ok with Sonny kidnapping Ava, then killing her after she gives birth.  Disgusting.  I really loathe Sonny and now Morgan is a close second.  

 

Please let there be some meaningful repercussions for all of this.

 

I am still stunned that Liz has a job.  The way she talks to her is boss is something that would get her fired in real life, hell, in soap life as well.  And how dumb is Liz?  She invites someone she doesn't know to come live with her, not knowing what he's capable of, but she's also too stupid  to realize that people who stay in hospitals have to pay bills?  Hello?  What; did she think happened?  The suture fairy swoops down at night and pays everyone's bills?

 

I really hope Silas makes it over to save Ava but I have a feeling it's going to be Sonny.

 

Jakeson is a little too cocky for somebody who has no idea who he is.

I'm no Liz fan whatsoever, but to be fair, her boss tried to kill her.  I think she's allowed to be a little foul-mouthed with the COS.  Actually, I don't know why Liz would want to still work there.  If my boss tried to kill me, I can't imagine still wanting to work for him/her.  The fact that Dr. O has been allowed to remain in her position of COS after all that she's done, is a whole OTHER issue entirely.

 

Franco ROCKED!  Loved him taking down Carly in front of Michael.  I've waited for the day Michael found out.  Too bad Ava and then Sonny are going to be portrayed as "victims."  She and her unborn baby are being "victimized" by Nina, and I guess we're supposed to feel sorry for her as a result.  Sonny will be "victimized" by Michael if the spoilers are true.  Nevermind that he actually committed the egregious act that rightfully pisses Michael off.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Syndicate

[CookieBud]

 

 

Morgan is okay with Sonny killing Ava? Morgan sucks. And how does killing the mom not harm the baby, guys? It'll grow up without a mom. Ugh. So gross.

 

 

Thank you.  I was thinking the same thing when Sonny made that comment.

[jsbt]

I think Liz can and should talk to Obrecht any way she likes. That crazy bitch tried to kill her and has no business at the hospital.

[CookieBud]

I'm no Liz fan whatsoever, but to be fair, her boss tried to kill her.  I think she's allowed to be a little foul-mouthed with the COS.  Actually, I don't know why Liz would want to still work there.  If my boss tried to kill me, I can't imagine still wanting to work for him/her.  The fact that Dr. O has been allowed to remain in her position of COS after all that she's done, is a whole OTHER issue entirely.

 

Franco ROCKED!  Loved him taking down Carly in front of Michael.  I've waited for the day Micahel found out.  Too bad Ava and then Sonny are going to be portrayed as "victims."  She and her unborn baby are being "victimized" by Nina, and I guess we're supposed to feel sorry for her as a result.  Sonny will be "victimized" by Micheal if the spoilers are true.  Nevermind that he actually committed the egregious act that rightfully pisses Michael off.

Liz can speak however she wants to Liesl in private, but in front of a patient--not so much.   If she hates her so much, head on over to another hospital.

 

I am so afraid Sonny is going to be made a hero in all of this.

[TeeVee329]

I think Liz can and should talk to Obrecht any way she likes. That crazy bitch tried to kill her and has no business at the hospital.

 

I just think, if she truly believes Obrecht is targeting Jake(son) to get to Liz, she should, you know, back off of Jake(son).

[CPP83]

I'll just come out and say it, watching terrible, awful, horrible people behaving terribly, awfully, and horribly to other terrible, awful, horrible people just doesn't do it for me.

 

That is all I am coming away with here, I have no one to root for. Does Ron not understand that almost none of these characters he's brought to the forefront to showcase are any good?

 

They aren't heroes, they're not even close to being. They're all just varying degrees of wretched, horrid woefulness. There's no upswing to any of this. Bad people are taken down for only worse figures to take their place, it's madness, utter, total madness to me.

[ulkis]

Michael said "supposably" during his rant to Franco. Sigh.

 

Morgan is okay with Sonny killing Ava? Morgan sucks. And how does killing the mom not harm the baby, guys? It'll grow up without a mom. Ugh. So gross.

 

Well, I can think of a certain set of people who would have been better off without a father whose name rhymes with "Bunny" in their lives. But in general, I agree.

[Lillybee]

Am I so twisted that I am waiting for a scene in which Sabrina will go off on Sonny for allowing her beloved Carrrrlos to be framed for AJ's murder?

[ulkis]

I'm no Liz fan whatsoever, but to be fair, her boss tried to kill her.  I think she's allowed to be a little foul-mouthed with the COS.  Actually, I don't know why Liz would want to still work there.  If my boss tried to kill me, I can't imagine still wanting to work for him/her.  The fact that Dr. O has been allowed to remain in her position of COS after all that she's done, is a whole OTHER issue entirely.

 

Franco ROCKED!  Loved him taking down Carly in front of Michael.  I've waited for the day Micahel found out.  Too bad Ava and then Sonny are going to be portrayed as "victims."  She and her unborn baby are being "victimized" by Nina, and I guess we're supposed to feel sorry for her as a result.  Sonny will be "victimized" by Micheal if the spoilers are true.  Nevermind that he actually committed the egregious act that rightfully pisses Michael off.

 

How is Ava not being victimized by Nina? She had an affair with Nina's husband 20+ years ago. Not cool, but it doesn't warrant Nina injecting her with drugs and trying to steal her baby.

[CPP83]

Morgan is okay with Sonny killing Ava? Morgan sucks. And how does killing the mom not harm the baby, guys? It'll grow up without a mom. Ugh. So gross.

 

 

 

Well you know growing up without a mum is far better when your mother is a "whoringsluttytrampbitch" as Ava obviously is according to "Sonny's Guidebook to Acceptable Baby Mamas".

[Chairperson Meow]

I need Sabrina to yell at Sonny in Spanish. I've been yearning for that lately.

[CookieBud]

Am I so twisted that I am waiting for a scene in which Sabrina will go off on Sonny for allowing her beloved Carrrrlos to be framed for AJ's murder?

Then Sabrina would have to mention that she tried to kill little baby Corrinthos.  Sonny ain't gonna like that.

[Tiger]

I'm a major league masochist, but I'm not sure how much longer I can stomach this crap.

Franco repeatedly calling Carly "whore" was so unnecessary. Is she a liar? Yes. Is she is a cheater? Yes. Is she a whore? No.

Is Franco a serial killer? Yes. Is being a serial killer worse than being a liar, cheater, and/or

whore? Yes.

[SoapDoc]

 

Morgan is okay with Sonny killing Ava? Morgan sucks. And how does killing the mom not harm the baby, guys? It'll grow up without a mom. Ugh. So gross.

 I kept waiting for the lightning bolt: "If it's OK to kill Ava because she killed Connie, I guess Michael can come in and shoot Sonny." The unsaid phrase was hanging in the air -- unsaid.

 

The SERIAL KILLER delivered. Nothing was going to stop him in delivering all the news. Franco tossed everyone under the bus -- Bobbie, Kiki, Carly, Sonny. Morgan did make this particular trip because Franco did not know what Morgan knows. With his stupid attitude about killing Ava, he has crawled under the bus well.

 

I appreciated Anna today. Thankfully, she will be free from Duke soon since she knows he is lying to her face.

 

I wanted the secret out, it is now out. Is there anything else Franco needs to say? No? Then, my need for him has ended. Let the games begin. Michael, start your rage engine.

[ulkis]

The worst part about Morgan wanting Ava dead is, well, not that he wants Ava dead particularly. If it had been his own idea that would be one thing. But it's not even that he wants Ava dead, it's that it's just mostly about indulging Sonny's need to murder. It's like

 

Sonny: son! But I reaaaaaaaaaally want to murder her! So it's cool now, right? I mean I'm gonna do it anyway but it would be extra sweet if you didn't give me a hard time about

Morgan: oh, okay! Sure, why not?

 

It's like Sonny is a kid begging for a cookie and Morgan's decided to indulge him

[Syndicate]

How is Ava not being victimized by Nina? She had an affair with Nina's husband 20+ years ago. Not cool, but it doesn't warrant Nina injecting her with drugs and trying to steal her baby.

Because Ava has done her own share of victimizing that it's kind of hard to sympathize with her?  Just ask Connie!  Oh we can't because she's pushing up daisies and being eaten by worms because of her.

[Dandesun]

Really the use of 'whore' has never been the same since Matt Ashford's serial killer on OLTL screamed 'WHOOOOOOOOORRRRRRE!' at Rae Cummings. No word bounces back from that... it was so ridiculous and over the top and campy that it should have retired the word once and for all.

 

As for the rest of it... meh. I mean, I'm not watching. If want to watch Character RoHo Plays unveil his issues and grievances at a wedding I'd just go back and watch the OLTL version of 'Hell No' which unleashed a bunch of secrets that needed to come out but Blair didn't deserve the treatment she got since she was set up, drugged and blindsided by it all...  but it led to a scorching kiss, Blair realizing that Max knew more than he let on, her going after him with a gun to get him to tell the truth, Todd refusing to believe her until he started realizing that things weren't as they seemed and went to bury Max alive to get the truth but by then, he'd gone a step further and Blair had no interest in trusting him after that... which led to lots of wacky hijinks and close calls and the two of them being pretty obvious about how they feel about each other (though both were too dumb to realize it, a la soap trope) and even though it led to one of the most spectacularly AWFUL storylines ever... it was still better than this sounds.

 

Although I do get a kick out of the fact that Carly just seems so surprised that her serial killing gigolo would turn on her like this. Talk about stupid. Anyway, Roger... hie thee off to Crescent City already. Port Charles should be more than done with you. Let Carly and Sonny wallow in their own messes... and whatever new pets Ron wants to bring on.

[Mrs OldManBalls]

It'd be funny if someone was like, "Oh course she slept with Sonny while involved with you, that's what she does, dude."

 

Yeah, this should not be a big deal to anyone who knows her at this point. 

 

I don't remember Faith ever turning weak - she was simply a cartoon. She was - at least, this was my read of who wrote much of her stuff - Chuck Pratt's sex-obsessed psycho blow-up doll, but Cynthia Preston made much more of the character than what was on the page. She gave her real intensity. 

Faith was awesome. I still miss her. 

 

Not only is Franco psycho, he's a whiny psycho with the mental maturity of a 12 year old.

His being snarky and childish was really taking away from the reveal. ( but I'm still glad he went through with it) 

 

Well you know growing up without a mum is far better when your mother is a "whoringsluttytrampbitch" as Ava obviously is according to "Sonny's Guidebook to Acceptable Baby Mamas".

Oh god, no matter who the daddy is, Carly is going to be a major influence in this child's life! I'd rather Nina runs away with the baby. 

 

Michael better go apeshit tomorrow! 

[CPP83]

It's like Sonny is a kid begging for a cookie and Morgan's decided to indulge him

 

 

 

I blame the whole his mother was shot in the head while giving birth to him for the way Morgan "thinks" and "reasons", or rather he doesn't. The show might not care to go down that route but to me it's all too obvious. The damage is clearly showing right now.

[jsbt]

All Morgan ever wanted was Sonny's attention and approval, so his turning on Ava doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Lillybee]

Poor stupid Sonny, he still thinks that the worst hitman ever was able to kill Franco.

[tveyeonyou]

I am so afraid Sonny is going to be made a hero in all of this.

Me too, but for this one shining moment (and the very few to follow), I will bask in the joy of Michael getting his hate-on for the two most disgusting people in the world, Carly and Sonny.

 

Todd, I mean Franco was so awesome today that when Mr Tveyeonyou walked in from work during the video portion of the non-wedding he asked me if he was good or bad, I gave him a brief rundown during the commercial and as soon as he heard Franco was a Sonny-hater he said anyone who hates Sonny is on the side of good no matter what else they did, lol. Now he wants to get home tomorrow in time to see Michael rage.

 

Loved Franco miming eating popcorn.

 

Damn I hate Sonny so much it's unhealthy.

 

ETA: I know Franco is a serial killer and bad and all that, but my Sonny hate knows no bounds.

Was that Max who got shot?

Edited November 3, 2014 by tveyeonyou

[ulkis]

Because Ava has done her own share of victimizing that it's kind of hard to sympathize with her?  Just ask Connie!  Oh we can't because she's pushing up daisies and being eaten by worms because of her.

 

That doesn't make it okay that Nina is paralyzing her and forcing her baby to come early. Like Francie said, if it didn't come across as PG rated torture porn, it wouldn't be so icky, but it does. Ava's done bad things but she never toyed with her victims.

Edited November 3, 2014 by ulkis

[Box305]

The Ava/Nina stuff made me pretty uncomfortable but not as uncomfortable as Franco saying Carly was full of Sonny's pepperoni. 

 

*pukes everywhere*

[jsbt]

I think what Ava did to Connie - leaving her to bleed out and choke to death on her own blood on the floor of her office - is pretty close to what Nina is doing to her now. (Not that I cared about Connie.)

I think Ava is a murderous bitch who deserves most of what she gets, but I also think she is a compelling villain who Maura West plays to the hilt despite terrible material. She does inject shades of humanity and depth that the writing often fails to properly deliver, but she knows it's not enough to whitewash the character. That being said, I think Michelle Stafford and Nina are absolutely unwatchable and it turned my stomach watching Nina molest Ava.

 

The issue is that with RC, I think he thinks all these characters are on the same moral scale and therefore they all deserve whatever they get, it's soapy goodness, etc etc. And I guess Ava does deserve death or whatever she has coming to her. But that still doesn't make it any less exhausting or draining to watch at this point. I just don't find it entertaining anymore, I find it sad and just gross. I've watched maybe half a dozen women - good or 'bad' - miscarry their babies or die violently or have their babies stolen and thought dead or all of the above - on Ron Carlivati's soaps, and it's all old hat now. Worse, it's between two thoroughly awful characters, and we're expected to take it just as more wild soapy entertainment, even though we've seen these stories a zillion times. I think Maura West does great work and I think Michelle Stafford does terrible work, and I am tired of every other character being either an arch boss bitch or a campy lunatic, and I don't know what the rooting value is supposed to be here or what I am supposed to care about. All I can bring myself to hope for is for it to stop soon and for Michelle Stafford to go away. It's just so unsettling.

[CPP83]

The Ava/Nina stuff made me pretty uncomfortable but not as uncomfortable as Franco saying Carly was full of Sonny's pepperoni.

 

 

 

Ron has launched numerous attacks on plenty of things on this show, but to desecrate pizza? To equate Sonny's overused man bits with pepperoni? Unforgivable. He should be tarred and feathered.

[TeeVee329]

Ava's done bad things but she never toyed with her victims [like Nina is].

 

Huh, maybe Nina and Franco are a match made in hell after all considering they both enjoy luxuriating in their victims' pain and suffering and sometimes turn it into art.

[Lillybee]

Today was the first time in a while that Spenser acted his age when he and Joss were happy to get the chance to do more trick or treating.

[Baxter]

My Morgan love has completely vanished. He basically gave his blessing for Sonny to kill Ava, yet he's "protecting" Michael by not telling him that Sonny killed AJ. Oh, the hypocrisy! I better see Michael go apeshit crazy on Sonny and Carly. I want Michael to destroy those two for killing AJ and then lying about it. If Sonny somehow manages to come out the hero, I'm done. I want to see him despised by his children and either in the ground or a jail cell. I'm just done with him.

[LeftPhalange]

I love how the SERIAL KILLER gets to be all indignant because Carly broke his precious little heart but neither she nor anyone else will be allowed to point out all the atrocities he committed. STFU freak. Ron couldn't have picked a worse person to expose Sonny. The SERIAL KILLER just looks like a whiny bitch on top of being a SERIAL KILLER, predator, and rape facilitator.

[dubbel zout]

Ava's done bad things but she never toyed with her victims.

 

What Ava has done to Connie has nothing to do with what Nina is doing to Ava.

[Perkie]

I despise Franco with the heat of a thousand suns, but I hate Sonny even more for even longer, so I was perfectly happy with the reveal.  I would have preferred someone other than idiot Franco to do it, but everyone else in town, other than Anna, kisses Sonny's ass and absolves him of all his transgressions, so it had to be someone like Franco who did it.  I was just so worried that someone would stop the tape, or the tape would have been erased or some other soap nonsense.  I laughed so hard when it played and Michael finally heard the truth.  

 

Duke, I hate you too, so I'm glad you lied, AGAIN to save your idiot boss.  Let's hope this is the nail in the coffin and Anna dumps his sorry ass.  

 

Let me guess, Silas, Sonny and Morgan will get to the brownstone at the same time and Sonny will have to help Ava deliver the baby while Silas talks down Nina.  

 

Are we thinking HEather shot Max?  

[ulkis]

nevermind

Edited November 3, 2014 by ulkis

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Because Ava has done her own share of victimizing that it's kind of hard to sympathize with her?  Just ask Connie!  Oh we can't because she's pushing up daisies and being eaten by worms because of her.

 

It's been said, but the only one who's even pretending to care about Connie at this point (on the show) is Sonny. Who hopped on top of Olivia almost before the body was cold. Sure, he says he murdered AJ to avenge her death, but much like him trying to "avenge" Connie when he shot Karpov, he killed the wrong person. The vestiges of my love for Ava remain, at least enough of them to not want her dead over a woman people stopped giving two fucks for five minutes after she stopped breathing.

 

As for Franco, while I find it perversely delicious that he called Sonny and Carly out for the trash that they are, there's something unsatisfying about it. Not just because y'know, SERIAL KILLER, although that's part of it. It's got a lot to do with the fact that the only reason people aren't always] calling Sonny and Carly out for being trash is because the writing doesn't allow for it the way it should. And I just know that this is going to turn poor widdle Sonny into a victim, and by extension Carly because Franco was just so mean to reveal their collusion in AJ's murder. Don't mistake me - I don't care about Franco getting his heart broken or whatever, because I'm pretty sure you have to have a heart for it to break. But Carly and the stutterbarking greaseball should be read for filth everywhere they go. Always.

Edited November 4, 2014 by stacey
Inappropriate nickname

[jsbt]

My problem is the whole thing feels so cynical.

 

It is designed to a) try to force the older audience to embrace Roger Howarth and Franco for "giving it to Sonny and Carly" while simultaneously b) try to make everyone else side with Sonny and Carly because oh, they didn't mean to do wrong! It's about the status quo plus Roger Howarth, Roger Howarth, Roger Howarth! Did you know he played Todd on OLTL? Isn't it great, him causing trouble like the old days?

 

There is some good drama, some good performances, even some good writing. But it's not about that. It's about a means to an end for RC.

Edited November 3, 2014 by jsbt

[Dandesun]

I think the other major difference between this and the OLTL version is that here you've got Franco -- who is human refuse -- calling out Carly and Sonny who are really no better. It's just a whole bunch of shit-ass people doing shit-ass things and lying to everyone about it. 

 

Todd was always a pariah but the secrets he unloaded were secrets kept by the legitimate 'good guys' -- most of whom used Blair as a tool to keep those lies covered. Blair colluded with Max to fake his way into being Asa's son -- at the time, Max was desperate to get a hold of money because his twins had been kidnapped and all sorts of bad shit went down and then he wound up need brain surgery but throughout the con, Asa actually gave a damn about Max who decided he LIKED being a Buchanan and Blair was suddenly disposable. Ben and Viki both leaned on Blair to keep what she knew quiet. Skye became the mistress of Blair's husband, Max, and Asa absolutely approved and encouraged it... so it was all of these people who were 'better than' hiding all sorts of secrets from and about each other. So Todd unleashing it all was him playing the truth teller and it was kind of fun. Todd was always a bit of a bastard but those secrets needed to come out.

 

It wasn't a serial killer calling out a lying, cheating, selfish beast and another murderous, lying bag of crap. It was a severely damaged bastard of a guy, unleashing the truth about the self-righteous population of town. What's more... he was wrong to turn on Blair. Franco's not wrong in what he's doing to Carly. I mean, he doesn't have much of a leg to stand on but this is Ron basically going scorched earth on this couple he tried to push for so long because... well, most likely because he's got a new toy to play with in regards to Nina and the Franco/Nina possibilities he sees dancing in his head. 

 

Todd realized he was wrong, realized he should have known that he and Blair got set up, realized Blair really did love him and vowed to prove to her that he was worth counting on and believing in (he failed at that... miserably... but it was nice while it lasted.) Franco is not likely to realize that Carly was set up (since she wasn't) or turn around and try to prove himself to her. At this point, Franco's part in the tale should be pretty much over (it won't be, it's Ron, but the point remains); now it should be ALL about Michael.

 

Of course, none of this should be news to Michael. Not really. He's been around his parents all of his life. He's suffered the slings and arrows of their bullshit before. He should know that none of this is actually beneath them. He should know that when push comes to shove they will always, always cover their own ass in his name and let him take the fall before they ever own up to their own shit. And I can only hope that whatever rift happens is serious and long lasting. It should be. This should shake the foundations of Port Charles. Todd's 'Hell No' wedding was a clearing house for the stories/secrets that the previous writers had let languish. Franco's 'Hell No' should cease to be about his poor widdle broken heart and be solely about Michael cutting ties with his parasitical parents and opening a new chapter in his life.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Dandesun

[jsbt]

The only thing I liked about the original wedding on OLTL (which, IIRC, was a rewrite by the new creative team - I think Megan McTavish had planned for Todd and Blair to wed and for the aggrieved Todd to gaslight Blair on their honeymoon) was the new writers choosing to have Todd blow up all the boring long-running secrets of the JFP era and end those endless storylines. That's what Todd was best at. By contrast, I thought his treatment of Blair for most of that year and the following one was disgusting. I hated that from the start.

 

I think it's great for all this to come out and there is great drama in Carly finally sowing what she reaped from both Michael and Sonny and her foolish romance with this maniac, and I enjoyed a fair bit of today. But I deeply resent it being used as a vehicle to try and put Roger Howarth over on the audience for the umpteenth time, which I can't help but feel is being done.

[HeatLifer]

I'm so ready for Mikey to hate Sonny/Carly. I've been waiting for this since....forever.