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That was soooooooo out of character for her though that I just can't hold it against her. I do, however, hold it against her for constantly bearing her teeth at me. And being a she-beast in general, heh.

 

That's true. It was grossly out of character... which is another thing Ron excels at. I was actually looking forward to Carly finding out that Todd had stolen Jason's child and given it to his ex-wife. She should have rained fire down on him and declared an eternal war on him from that day on. Instead, she cried about him lying to her and told him that she would have gone to the mat for him with Jason.

 

Um. What?!

 

It was as out of character for Carly to even attempt to put Todd above Jason on her hierarchy after knowing him about five months as it was for Blair Cramer to have a single thing to do with Tomas Delgado after finding out he was the one who delivered Todd to Irene's nasty clutches for eight years. Which is to say... unbelievably, mind-blisteringly out of character. And it's something that Ron does way too often... especially to the female characters. It's on par with Anna's behavior about Robin. It flat out doesn't fit or make sense.

 

And it's things like that, that make me worry significantly about the fallout of AJ's murder and Jason's return and the Halloween Horror Show... because Ron has a serious, serious problem not inserting the characters into his plots and having the behave as they should.

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I think there is zero chance they're going there with Carly and NuJason. I just don't see that happening. They may play with it, but it just won't go. And I think it would break the very delicate balance of that dysfunctional but very realistic relationship.

 

 

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No way. They're not putting Laura Wright with Billy Miller. I will eat my hat if that happens. It's gonna be Sam or Liz or freaking Kiki, heh.But not Carly.

 

 

 

 

DEAR GOD what have you two done???

 

You've dared, no declared that Wreck it Ron and Fickle Frank would never go with the worst possible idea for a Jakson hook up so now they surely will! Have we learned nothing is too terrible/horrible/awful for them??

 

Carly would never have spit on Franco if he was on fire before these idiots took over and suddenly they became Joanie and Chachi level lovers in mere weeks.

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Carly would've gone after Todd with everything she had over what he did to Danny and above all Jason, her god among men. She tried to burn Brenda down for far less.

 

You even could've spun that off into the adversarial sexual tension they tried to make happen with Carly and Franco - what Todd did was terrible and it was against one of Carly's loved ones, but it wasn't a serial killer who got her son raped. And she had a preexisting friendship with Todd. It could have been done, after she had spent a year trying to destroy him. Not that it would've mattered with Sean Kanan around, as A.J. and Carly was the vastly superior story.

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Started watching yesterday's episode this evening because of Billy Miller, but I'm not even sure he can keep this pile of crap going.  I don't give two shits about Jason Morgan, so I'm wishing he would have come on as a different character.  The Nathan and Maxie angst is boring and ridiculous.  Nathan's two mom's can off each other or go out in a murder/suicide any day now. After watching Sebastian Roche playing a compelling character in a well-written show where things actually happen onscreen in "The Originals" just last night, and then see him in this drivel today (granted, he's still giving it his all because he's a badass) is pretty jarring.  The vampire in-jokes between he and Tracy nearly caused me to stroke out and go into a rage blackout.  Oh Ron, you are not nearly as clever as you think you are.  

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DEAR GOD what have you two done???

 

You've dared, no declared that Wreck it Ron and Fickle Frank would never go with the worst possible idea for a Jakson hook up so now they surely will! Have we learned nothing is too terrible/horrible/awful for them??

 

Carly would never have spit on Franco if he was on fire before these idiots took over and suddenly they became Joanie and Chachi level lovers in mere weeks.

 

It just won't happen. Billy is their huge get. They see Kelly M. as their sexy leading lady. They used Laura/Carly to graft a place for Roger Howarth. I will accept the blame if it happens but I just don't see it.

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You know I love me some Hells, but she kinda wasn't making sense today.  She's clearly expressed that she wants to capitalize on the skills of Jason Morgan, Holy Hitman.  But she's also worried that Elizabeth is going to trigger his memories coming back.  But she's also fine with him staying right where he is.  Huh?  You're contradicting yourself, Mrs. C.

 

Ten bucks right now says that, in some contrived way, Nina is going to find out about Britt's Spencer secret.  And she'll use it to blackmail Britt into convincing Silas that she's pregnant with his child.

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It just won't happen. Billy is their huge get. They see Kelly M. as their sexy leading lady. They used Laura/Carly to graft a place for Roger Howarth. I will accept the blame if it happens but I just don't see it.

 

 

 

 

 

Sure...but you'll so owe me a tavern's worth of booze if it does. I'll have no liver left but I'll be numb to it all.

 

She has no other patients?

 

Apparently not! Liz has been paid for her regular shift and over time, just hanging out at Jason's bedside.

 

Of course, no one seems to notice Nina skulking around the hospital for days on end either!

 

 

I just don't get it personally, what's the point of supposedly recasting a historical character, even if it's one such as Jason, if all you end up doing is making him over into a complete stranger without any discerning ties to his old self?

 

But Jason wasn't just Jason Morgan - he was also Jason Quartermaine. I think it's a little early to decide he's not playing Jason Morgan since we don't even know if he's going to be Jason M/Jason Q or perhaps a melding of both. Maybe Helena had a machine that did something to his brain which removed the borg. Hey, it's possible the woman somehow managed to hack into the fingerprint database today!

 

 

Eh, I hated Jason Morgan so IDGAF that the recast has given him a personality transplant.

 

On the other hand, this.

 

I liked Silas today. ME seemed awake and present. I liked that he confronted The Nina instead of putting it off for another 6 months or so.

 

I'm over Jerry showing up not dead all the time. Seriously over it. And Tracy gets dumber every single time she's on. I don't know how that's possible but it's true.

 

Spencer is awful. I just hate saying that about a kid actor, but why is he written like an adult? He thought getting Emma back was the best thing in his life? Come on Ron. No  kid talks like that. None.

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Brad!!!!  Okay, that's really all I got out of this show.

 

Nathan and Silas sounded like they were competing in a contest for least convincing screaming of the year.  Writers, neither of the actors can muster the energy to pull off rage.  Please stop trying to make it happen.

 

Someone please explain to me why no one has shown the least curiosity about how long Nina has been out of a coma?  Twiggy's been on this show now for what?  5 or 6 months?  And everyone seems utterly certain that it's not possible to go from being in a coma to full mobility in that time frame.  So if she showed up in Port Charles totally able to walk, it stands to reason (yes, I know "reason" and this show have not yet been introduced) that she had been out of a coma for at least that long before arriving in Port Charles.  So....???  Was she out of the coma for months?  Years?  Now, I don't personally care about the answer to this question, but I would think that, say, Silas might.  No? 

 

Annoyed that the previews show Silas running to Franco to prolong the nightmare rather than running to Alexis to ask her to draft the papers to end it.  I really thought we were nearing the finish line with this terrible plot.

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Sure...but you'll so owe me a tavern's worth of booze if it does. I'll have no liver left but I'll be numb to it all.

 

Eh, one 96% bottle of vodka is the equal of one tavern's worth and isn't that expensive :) 

 

You know I love me some Hells, but she kinda wasn't making sense today.  She's clearly expressed that she wants to capitalize on the skills of Jason Morgan, Holy Hitman.  But she's also worried that Elizabeth is going to trigger his memories coming back.  But she's also fine with him staying right where he is.  Huh?  You're contradicting yourself, Mrs. C.

 

Reminds me of this joke from Despair in the Afternoon:

 

HELENA: Even though the idea of my beloved grandson raising a Spencer child as the Cassadine heir should be anathema to a bloodline-obsessed freak like me, I’m going to switch the paternity results to ensure that’s exactly what happens.

HENCHMAN: Madam, this scheme makes even less sense than usual.

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I agree that Nik is gross, but Tyler Chistopher is looking good (minus the hair).  Glad he's staying de-puffed. 

 

I wish Britt talked to Spencer more like a kid and less like a co-conspirator.  Spencer is annoying as crap, but the pursuit of Nikolas would make more sense if Britt had fallen in love with Spencer as a child instead of as a member of her peer group.   I can see it happening--Britt grew up in a crazy, mixed-up family, has just had a child taken away from her.  The story would make more sense if what Britt really wanted from Nikolas and Spencer was the family she never had and the opportunity to be a parent that she lost when Ben was taken.  Rather than... what?  What does Britt see in Nikolas?  I am failing to understand.

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But Jason wasn't just Jason Morgan - he was also Jason Quartermaine. I think it's a little early to decide he's not playing Jason Morgan since we don't even know if he's going to be Jason M/Jason Q or perhaps a melding of both. Maybe Helena had a machine that did something to his brain which removed the borg. Hey, it's possible the woman somehow managed to hack into the fingerprint database today!

 

 

 

I watched Steve's entire run on this show from beginning to about damn time end, if they want this guy to be Jason Q then they're still barking up the wrong tree imho. And it isn't just how Steve played Jason, though that is part of it and I will begrudgingly say he wasn't always crap at it, but it was also the writing, the built up history behind the character. This character, Jakson, is not Jason period in my eyes, I don't care what his last name is. It is Billy playing a part, sure, but I'd buy him as the new milk man first.

 

To me Ron did what he does best, grabbing a "desired" soap actor and sticking them into an iconic role in hopes that'll make his job easier. I don't believe for a second he gives a damn about writing Jason in character, in the same way he hasn't cared to keep mostly anyone else in character, just to name a few: Robin, Anna, Sam, Tracy, the SERIAL KILLER, Kevin, Scott, Mac, Robert.

 

He writes whatever the hell he feels like, and if he makes a casting move he seems to like this idea of picking a role for someone to take over because that'll endear them to the audience instantly. Roger suddenly became the SERIAL KILLER after what I felt was a failed test run at making him Jason, and now Billy's gotten the same treatment.

 

ETA:

 

Just watching more of the same with he and Liz today just left me going "Huh...? How...? What...? Why...?"

 

It's just all wrong, not just that he's supposed to be Jason but what the hell kind of coma was he in? He isn't even acting like a coma patient to me. Where's the guarded uncertainty? The nervousness since he can't remember a damn thing, fear, concern, perhaps anger or something. He isn't on the Dating Game ffs.

 

They didn't even bother to get his makeup right, though they hardly do on this show now but it was really bad, laughably bad even.

 

It's just too much of contrived bs from Ron for me to take any of it, or Jakson, seriously. And I am one who actually thinks Billy is a decent actor, but I truly feel he is horribly miscast and this will just prove to be another wasteful, pointless move from Ron. He has a talented guy who could be anyone and he makes him into a Jason hybrid, to me that's the very definition of ineptness.

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The story would make more sense if what Britt really wanted from Nikolas and Spencer was the family she never had and the opportunity to be a parent that she lost when Ben was taken. 

 

I think, if you asked Ron, that is the story he's trying to tell.  It's certainly the story that makes sense.  It's just buried deep, deep, deeeeeeeep under all of Spencer's "hilarity".  Way too much of this Britt/Nik reunion, relationship, whatever is centered around him.

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Especially when it's clear the only reason any of this is really happening is to cobble together a justification for them keeping Kathleen Gati, which Kathleen Gati does not need.

 

But, to me, she kind of does. I mean, this is why you map out a story in advance. Or make damned sure, if you like the actor, to write it so they can naturally be redeemed. Neither of which, apparently, have been done.

 

As great as Kathleen Gati may be as a person, Dr. O helped kidnap a woman and was complicit in her torture and was ready to off said woman, and injected the woman's father with some toxin or whatever.

 

The ONLY NATURAL RESULT is her being in prison. Or dead herself.

 

The rest is just bullshit window dressing to keep a pet. As per RC's usual.

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The rest is just bullshit window dressing to keep a pet. As per RC's usual.

 

 

 

Amen. He will find a way where there seems to be no way, because he will always win. I swear, I feel as if that's the underlying theme to the show now. Ron is going to win, fuck anyone else who disagrees with his passion and vision and writing and skill, he is going to do as he damn well pleases.

 

Case in point whatever the living hell was going on in that cafe. Did all the other patrons magically hightail it when they saw Patrick's grandpa sweater and mean stare and knew shit was about to go down?

 

I just...if this show were an actual, on purpose, comedy it'd be so much better. I might even enjoy some things, well maybe.

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Especially when it's clear the only reason any of this is really happening is to cobble together a justification for them keeping Kathleen Gati, which Kathleen Gati does not need.

 

 

But, to me, she kind of does. I mean, this is why you map out a story in advance. Or make damned sure, if you like the actor, to write it so they can naturally be redeemed. Neither of which, apparently, have been done.

 

As great as Kathleen Gati may be as a person, Dr. O helped kidnap a woman and was complicit in her torture and was ready to off said woman, and injected the woman's father with some toxin or whatever.

 

The ONLY NATURAL RESULT is her being in prison. Or dead herself.

 

The rest is just bullshit window dressing to keep a pet. As per RC's usual.

 

I read the original statement as, if they're gonna keep Kathleen Gati around because they like her so much then they don't need the extended needless Westbourne family to ground her. People don't like Obrecht because of Madeline or Nina or Nathan, but because Kathleen Gati is talented.

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This character, Jakson, is not Jason period in my eyes, I don't care what his last name is. It is Billy playing a part, sure, but I'd buy him as the new milk man first.

 

To me, it seems a bit early in the storyline to just say 'It's not Jason' when we haven't even seen the character do anything yet. I'm willing to see where this goes since BM has only been on-air as Jason for a couple of weeks. He spent most of that time wrapped in bandages, he hasn't met any other characters beyond Liz and he has memory issues. I know RC is writing a crap story, that's a given, but at this point we really have no idea what is going on with Jason or in what direction the character will go.

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But, to me, she kind of does. I mean, this is why you map out a story in advance. Or make damned sure, if you like the actor, to write it so they can naturally be redeemed. Neither of which, apparently, have been done.

 

As great as Kathleen Gati may be as a person, Dr. O helped kidnap a woman and was complicit in her torture and was ready to off said woman, and injected the woman's father with some toxin or whatever.

 

The ONLY NATURAL RESULT is her being in prison. Or dead herself.

 

The rest is just bullshit window dressing to keep a pet. As per RC's usual.

 

To be fair, Dr. O is hardly the first character in soap history who stuck around despite their crimes.

 

And you know who just recently kidnapped a woman and was ready to off her?  Sonny, our leading man, our romantic hero!

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There is nothing to root for on this show.

 

Well, I know that I'm rooting for everyone's immediate fiery death.

 

 

I am wondering if I misheard but I thought that Helena said something about Jerry J. pretending to be Luke to Tracy. Could he be Fluke?

 

I guess he would have to be wearing a Luke mask then?  I'm not sure if it was a mask or surgery.  Is fondue a thing in Amsterdam? 

 

One thing I've been wondering about is that since Fluke has been shown to be a horny perv, if he's not related to Luke in any way, how come they haven't shown him acting gross towards Lulu?  While Fluke still behaves differently than Luke, he was still shown to be somewhat "fatherly" with her.  Fluke didn't seem like he had self-control with his perviness, so I wonder what stopped him from staring at/flirting with a woman who wasn't actually related to him? 

 

You know I love me some Hells, but she kinda wasn't making sense today.  She's clearly expressed that she wants to capitalize on the skills of Jason Morgan, Holy Hitman.  But she's also worried that Elizabeth is going to trigger his memories coming back.  But she's also fine with him staying right where he is.  Huh?  You're contradicting yourself, Mrs. C.

 

I love CT, but Helena has no point on this show anymore, imo.  Why would she even care about PC and the idiots who live there?  Laura, who was the main target of her wrath, is not even living there anymore.  She wants to use Jason --for what --  I'm sure there are other hit men out there, just as capable. Or she could just build an army of robots, if she wants a killing machine that doesn't blink. 

 

So, how many villains have been on this project, working their various agendas?  Fluke, Jerry, Helena, (deceased, hopefully) Victor and Stavros, and who else? 

 

I want to feel sorry for Britt, because shit's  going to hit the fan again and she's going to have to go back to sleeping on Brad's couch, but she should be smarter than this.  Why does she want Nik, anyway?  He's not worth all of this trouble, and his son makes me want to rip my uterus out with my bare hands and set it on fire.

 

Britt and Brad are cute though. 

It feels like they have an actual, genuine friendship.     

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Britt and Brad need to get a sweet penthouse and get far away from Nik. He's a jackass. I'm over and done with him. I'd kinda like this Jakeson story with someone like Britt who doesn't know Jason and could fall for a John Doe with no memory. Hell, anyone but Nik.

Silas needs to pry Alexis from writing in her diary and listening to Taylor Swift to do his divorce papers.

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To me, it seems a bit early in the storyline to just say 'It's not Jason' when we haven't even seen the character do anything yet. I'm willing to see where this goes since BM has only been on-air as Jason for a couple of weeks. He spent most of that time wrapped in bandages, he hasn't met any other characters beyond Liz and he has memory issues. I know RC is writing a crap story, that's a given, but at this point we really have no idea what is going on with Jason or in what direction the character will go.

 

 

 

I guess it all ties in to the fact that I don't trust Ron a single iota to get this right. He's been writing almost every character on this show like he'd never watched a day of GH in his life, imho, so this whole thing with giving Jakson amnesia to me just gives him even more of an excuse/reason to do just as he pleases.

 

I also don't like it because I hate all and any forms of Jason, whether Q or Morgan or Voldermort, and I actually like Billy so it's not fun for me to see this guy, a real talented hire have to now be saddled with a character who should have died years ago. If I can't have Sonny or Carly pushing up Daisies why couldn't Jason, at the very least, have remained fish food?

 

Oh sure, kill off AJ but let's keep giving Jason's more lives than a damn cat. I need a drink.

 

 

 

A pregnant woman, on top of that.

 

 

Can you imagine a child having only Sonny as its living parent? I mean that would be a first for him. No womens to raise his little loin spawn, it'd he and Shawn, and possibly Max if he's been allowed out f his closet prison. The kid wouldn't survive a half hour.

 

Oh wait, silly me, I mean it wouldn't last half a minute.

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I liked Bratt together, their friendship is both funny and sweet.

 

 

I agree. IMO, PS & KT are present in their scenes together & actually react to what the other is saying. If one says something funny, sarcastic or sweet the other responds appropriately not jumping up & down, wearing gloves on their hand, repeating themselves or making inappropriate faces & scowling/snarling. 

 

Or make damned sure, if you like the actor, to write it so they can naturally be redeemed. Neither of which, apparently, have been done.

 

 

THIS. The above is the reason you can not make me believe, Ron develops/maps outs stories long term. PS has stated in an interview that he knew Brad was suppose to be a creep. PS made Brad into the creepiest person he could but Frank came up to him & told him to be even creepier. The same creepiness they pushed for is a main reason some can't buy Brad as a friend or love interest now.  So many characters fall into this scenario & Ron just contrives & retcons his way through.

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A pregnant woman, on top of that.

That whole thing is so disgusting to me.  I know, soaps aren't real, but the pure ... delight... Sonny and Shawn seem to be getting from their plan is just sickening, beyond tolerance.  I want everyone to know about this, so NO ONE can ever say that Sonny doesn't hurt women and children, again. 

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Can you imagine a child having only Sonny as its living parent? I mean that would be a first for him. No womens to raise his little loin spawn, it'd he and Shawn, and possibly Max if he's been allowed out f his closet prison. The kid wouldn't survive a half hour.

 

Oh wait, silly me, I mean it wouldn't last half a minute.

 

Seriously. It'd end up like the baby in Trainspotting. As much of a dumbass as Morgan might be, I think he'd actually make some kind of effort to be a good dad. Sonny? He doesn't even care about the kids he's already got.

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And let us never forget. .....

Sonny murdered AJ Quartermaine in cold blood then fucked his son's girlfriend on AJ's grave. AJ is also his supposed "favorite" son's biological father.

 

 

Don't forget, that he was also cheating on his oldest son's mother while he did the above. Sonny is nasty & vile. Yet, the show wants me to buy him as a great dad & romantic lead. Please. He's a hot headed punk who can't except the consequences of his actions.

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I want everyone to know about this, so NO ONE can ever say that Sonny doesn't hurt women and children, again.

 

 

 

Oh come now, we must remember Ava is not a "woman" she is, in Sonny's world, "a lying, scheming, slut whore bitch" and therefore she may be dispatched like some insignificant bug.

 

I remember when he pulled the same shit with Faith. I miss her sometimes, she and Ava would have made the best team, especially if they both targeted Sonny.

 

Although in the previews Ava's grabbing her belly and having more "pains:" so I really need that kid to just die. It was conceived on hallow ground it's probably a good two thirds demon anyway so let's be rid of it already.

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Particularly if it means Sabrina is shipped to an OFF-SCREEN prison.  Curious to see how the show gets their saintly Sabs out of this one.

 

 

 

My fingers have been crossed since Ava started popping those pills like M&Ms that Sabrina will finally be given an exit story, and if it involves 20 to life well then all the better for it. As long as it doesn't end up being something stupid like Carrrrrlossss breaks out of prison to whisk her away and they go on the run together. I'm not ready to let scraggly beard go just yet.

 

 

Honestly, I don't care if Billy Miller is playing Jason or Alan Q. or freaking Faith Roscoe, I'm so glad he's there to cleanse my eyes from Patrick Drake.

 

 

 

 

Call me a hopeful fool, for I am, but I had a slight hope in the beginning that Billy would be brought on as a new doctor at GH. Perhaps with unknown ties to the Qs, maybe a secret son or grandson or nephew, whatever the case may have been. But he could have had a doctor's coat and not been a complete douchewad to women and therefore the perfect foil to Patrick.

 

Then Sam could have starting throwing her chest pillows in his face instead.

 

 

Fixed that for you, CPP83.

 

 

 

Well how could I have forgotten that most important bit?? Lord knows a woman is nothing but a baby incubator with heaving chest pillows at the end of the day.

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Baby Killer Bitch better hope this baby survives, or else I'll genuinely enjoy Ava making her suffer.

 

Yes, this is the thing that will turn my mild liking of Sabrina into hate. If I say that Sonny is vile for targeting pregnant Ava, then I have to throw Sabrina in there as well if I want to be consistent. Especially since in the GH in my head the baby is Morgan's.

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Prison? If Rafe just had to die because he accidentally killed Shamwow and was so racked with guilty he started taking drugs, then I say Sabrina deserves worse. Unlike Rafe, who I might have liked seeing with a different face in the future, I really don't want the possibility of Sabrina returning. 

 

As much as I don't like Sabrina, her, much like Carly, I don't like seeing being written out of character as I don't like any character being written out of character. Unless she is as crazy as Nina, not even the vilest character on this show would hurt an innocent child.

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I'll believe Sabrina is gone when she's been offscreen nine months. Maybe thirteen.

 

I just don't see what's left for her, unless they decide to pair her with Morgan or Michael. (nooooooooooooo) I guess she and Patrick could hook up again too.

 

If it happens, I do wonder when Ron finally gave up on her. It sure wasn't at the Nurses Ball.

 

I don't know, I think the Nurses' Ball was all Emmy bait. Before that she had barely been on as well since the failed wedding.

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