Episode Discussion: TFGH

[statsgirl]

I understand why Obrecht is not allowed to operate.  But why is Amy, given how close she is to Nathan?  I know that it speaks to how few nurses there are at GH (although I think Liz would have been a better person to pair with Nathan).  They have had Amy helping Finn and the day player with Nathan.

9 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I have no use for the current state of Lulu or the b.s. reporter storyline, but Lulu played a part in  this mess, Lulu's parents have decades of history with Faison, Lulu is the bff of Nathan's wife and her husband Dante is also Nathan's partner and best friend.  I also have no use for Nina, but we have seen that Nathan and Nina still consider themselves to be siblings and love each other as such.  I  get that Valentin is there to support Nina and will most likely end up having something to do with this "Faison's son" crap, but I agree with you he didn't deserve a reaction shot. 

I understand why Lulu was shown because Nathan being shot is on her, and I'm glad she took responsibility for that.  I understand why they showed Nina's reaction because it's her house and she's Nathan's cousin although that's barely been there lately. My complaint is that Nathan's mother is the one the camera should have lingered on and the show playing favourites (Valentine here) takes me out of the story.

[Aurora2]

53 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

 

 Dante blames Peter August for Nathan getting shot instead of Lulu. These people are so stupid, how are they still walking around?

 

27 minutes ago, ulkis said:

He'll probably blame Lulu later. And not that it doesn't make Lulu seem horrendously stupid either way, but she would probably have never thought up the Faison angle on her own if Peter hadn't brought it up in the first place.

 

The blame game becomes complicated in this story with Peter, Lulu and Nathan himself all contributing to luring Faison to town.  But my point is that ALL THREE did contribute.  I expect discussions will vary and shift on who is most to blame.  Looking at the evolution of events as we know them thus far:

Peter obviously wanted to draw Faison out, and we might say that he manipulated Lulu's inexperience and ambition to use her as a tool  to achieve his goal (including possibly lying about being unable to stop the article.)  

However, Lulu also contributed by letting her ambition and over-confidence run her decision-making process because, no matter what was subsequently said about capturing Faison, her first reason for wanting to interview him was to advance her budding career.  As well, she was the one who overheard her friend's talking about Faison and who initially seized on the idea of turning the discovery of Nathan's paternity into a career move.  As she said to Dante today, the interview was her idea - an idea she presented to both Nathan and Peter.

Nathan contributed himself by agreeing to the interview. 

So, from my vantage point, regardless of who is MOST to blame, all three contributed.  (Although my personal bias would be kinder to the person who appears to die - and not only because he paid the ultimate price, but also because his reasons were the most honorable - to protect his family.)

20 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I don't. And I don't give any figgedity or bluedilly fucks about how much Nathan means to her. I'm sure she knew how much Robin meant/means to Anna and Robert. So she can Fuck Off.

Why no, I'm not still bitter, nor do I harbor any residual anger that Obrecht got away with and never had to pay for what she did to Robin.

I understand your feelings; however, I'm able to compartmentalize here and see Obrecht as a mother and Nina as a "sister" regardless of what other things they have done.  Just the way I roll with these kinds of stories. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 minutes ago, Aurora2 said:

 

I understand your feelings; however, I'm able to compartmentalize here and see Obrecht as a mother and Nina as a "sister" regardless of what other things they have done.  Just the way I roll with these kinds of stories. 

Well I'm just a cold and vindictive wench. Obrecht made Anna suffer for nearly two years, letting her think her daughter, Robin was dead. And she's a mother herself. So pardon me if I  refuse to see her as a mother.

[TeeVee329]

Guys, guys, shouldn't we be discussing how this affects Jason? #eyeroll

[LexieLily]

Or Sonny?

[WendyCR72]

I'm Team Liesl Obrecht can Go Straight To Hell. Do Not Pass Go. Go Directly To Jail. (Where she should have been ages ago, if not under the jail.)

I revel in her pain, even if I don't watch...because I remember what Obrecht was up to when I did. So Nathan kicking has a definite upside here.

[HeatLifer]

SBu and Fin are so good together, man. More, please.

[HipOldBat]

I like Obrecht because, in general, I like soap characters who get redeemed.  Not "sorta redeemed" like Sonny and StJason, who never feel sorry for anything they do, no matter how heinous.   I think the bad characters who get redemption are more interesting than they were when they were villains.

[Perkie]

Kudos to Kristen Storms.  Excellent job today, just being on the edge of completely losing it, but forcing herself to try to put a positive spin on it.  Loved the anger that Faison got to go to surgery first.  Very realistic feeling there.  Interesting having the organ donor guy show up.  It's never a good time for that talk in a situation like that.  

I don't understand why Peter set the garbage can on fire.  Does a bullet proof vest burn?  Also, way to bring attention to that garbage can.  He'd have been better off tossing the vest in the water off the pier.  

What the eff happened to Lucas?  I mean, at least give us a line like, "the ER is so busy tonight that Lucas is already trying to save someone else's life".  His absense just seemed so glaring.  Also the ER itself seemed way more quiet than any ER I've ever been, especially at night.  

[HeatLifer]

3 minutes ago, HipOldBat said:

I like Obrecht because, in general, I like soap characters who get redeemed.  Not "sorta redeemed" like Sonny and StJason, who never feel sorry for anything they do, no matter how heinous.   I think the bad characters who get redemption are more interesting than they were when they were villains.

When did Dr. O ever make up for what she did to Anna, Robin, and Robert?

[HipOldBat]

1 minute ago, Perkie said:

 

What the eff happened to Lucas?  I mean, at least give us a line like, "the ER is so busy tonight that Lucas is already trying to save someone else's life".  His absense just seemed so glaring.  Also the ER itself seemed way more quiet than any ER I've ever been, especially at night.  

I really would like to see Brad and Lucas come back.  Probably not going to happen, though.

Re: the ER...yeah, you never see anyone in there like a kid with a broken arm or mundane stuff like that.  Just for background.  No one ever has to wait to be seen, it seems.

1 minute ago, HeatLifer said:

When did Dr. O ever make up for what she did to Anna, Robin, and Robert?

I didn't say she made up for that.  I just expressed MY OPINION that redeemed characters are more interesting to me.

[Perkie]

1 minute ago, HipOldBat said:

Re: the ER...yeah, you never see anyone in there like a kid with a broken arm or mundane stuff like that.  Just for background. 

There wasn't even anyone at the nurses's desk.  

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, HipOldBat said:

 

I didn't say she made up for that.  I just expressed MY OPINION that redeemed characters are more interesting to me.

I'm not questioning YOUR OPINION. I was asking a question about HOW and WHEN she was redeemed on-screen. And that's about it.

Edited January 29, 2018 by HeatLifer

[statsgirl]

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There wasn't even anyone at the nurses's desk.  

Have to pay those salaries for MB and SBu.

The show hasn't known what to do with Obrecht for quite a while. Did they want her as a villain like Helena?  Or as a regular character?

The vendetta against Finn was ridiculous.  Kathleen Gati is a better actress than that so I hope CvE will be able to use her better and give Obrecht a real characterizaiton.

Edited January 29, 2018 by statsgirl

[HipOldBat]

Just now, HeatLifer said:

I'm not questioning YOUR OPINION. I was asking a question about HOW and WHEN she was redeemed on-screen. And that's about it.

You wrote a question about something I didn't even mention.  You know, I left last time because people take this all so seriously, as if debating the finer points of philosophy, and honestly I find it annoying.  You were picking a fight, and I don't appreciate it.

[HeatLifer]

Just now, HipOldBat said:

You wrote a question about something I didn't even mention.  You know, I left last time because people take this all so seriously, as if debating the finer points of philosophy, and honestly I find it annoying.  You were picking a fight, and I don't appreciate it.

I'm not picking a fight by asking how Dr. O was redeemed. This is a message board where people ask questions and discuss. I'll continue to do that. 

[TeeVee329]

9 minutes ago, Perkie said:

What the eff happened to Lucas?  I mean, at least give us a line like, "the ER is so busy tonight that Lucas is already trying to save someone else's life".  His absense just seemed so glaring.

It was so bizarre given where we left him last week.  Because even if he had been tapped out for a specialist or a higher-ranked doctor, he wouldn't have just wandered off, he would have gone to talk to Maxie, even if the ER did draft him to work when he had previously had the night off.

[LillyB]

Is Faison really going to blame the Cassidines for his evil doing?

[Perkie]

It's even worst since they had Bobbie sitting with Maxie (which I liked) and telling the organ donor guy that she's family, yet son Lucas, who was first working on Nathan just disapears.  Like that one episode was all they needed from Ryan to hit whatever quota and so off Lucas went.  

[statsgirl]

Is there a  higher ranked doctor than Lucas?  Finn is infectious disease, Griffin is a neurosurgeon Monica is a cardiologist.  Lucas would be more useful than any of those three. Was Tony a trauma surgeon and they never bothered to replace him?

[Perkie]

1 minute ago, LillyB said:

Is Faison really going to blame the Cassidines for his evil doing?

What if Helena is the baby mama?!!

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Is there a  higher ranked doctor than Lucas? 

Lucas is the trauma surgeon (followed in daddy's footsteps!)

[TeeVee329]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Is there a  higher ranked doctor than Lucas?  Finn is infectious disease, Griffin is a neurosurgeon Monica is a cardiologist.  Lucas would be more useful than any of those three. Was Tony a trauma surgeon and they never bothered to replace him?

I mean, yes, Lucas is much earlier in his medical career than those doctors.  Even Griffin because, though they were classmates, there were a number of years where Lucas wasn't practicing medicine while Griffin had ascended to a Patrick-esque level.

But trauma is supposed to be his specialty, I believe we learned that through more exposition from people who are not Lucas or his husband. #eyeroll

[ulkis]

I would say Anna contributed to the situation as well, since she obviously didn't tell everything she knew and it seems to have had some pertinence to the situation. Unless she didn't know she wasn't telling everything she knew. She might not remember.

Edited February 3, 2018 by ulkis

[TeeVee329]

Just now, ulkis said:

 

Basically everyone to blame except the actual shooter. ;)

You could even say Britt's somewhat to blame, for going on/helping to keep Faison on the run, but I would never!

[ulkis]

3 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

You could even say Britt's somewhat to blame, for going on/helping to keep Faison on the run, but I would never!

I actually was going to mention it a couple days ago lol, but then I thought "eeeh."

[Cheyanne11]

7 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I would say Anna contributed to the situation as well, since she obviously didn't tell everything she knew and it seems to have had some pertinence to the situation. Unless she didn't know she wasn't telling everything she knew. She might not remember.

Not that I can find it inside myself to blame anyone much. This is another Connie/Kate situation to me.

Honestly though he kinda came across like he was looking for trouble. He didn't NEED those records or that test, he kept badgering O. for the records, she gave them, he still badgered her, even though his evil genius mother told him to leave it alone, and then planned on going after Faison before Lulu even suggested the article. He probably would have been shot even more quickly doing that. I guess what I mean is it came across like he wanted to know who his father was but kept couching it the guise of needing to know for the test. I wanted someone to ask him why he just didn't go ahead and ask already.

Basically everyone to blame except the actual shooter. ;)

He and Maxie acted like their child was going to be born with an encyclopedia of health issues if they didn't get those records.   So stupid.

[TeeVee329]

Maybe she can come to the funeral* and express such regrets, perhaps after shoving Nina into an open grave "Dyansty"-style.

* Uh, if he dies, I mean.  Maybe he'll pull through!

Edited January 29, 2018 by TeeVee329

[statsgirl]

Helena is at least a generation older than Anna.  It must be some scientific magic at work if she's the mother.

Anna didn't know much. She only learned from Obrecht that there was another son, and Obrecht didn't know it was important because that was a Sonny plot. Anna's big mistake was in telling Sonny about the existence of Henrik before she went to the police or the WSB.

6 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I mean, yes, Lucas is much earlier in his medical career than those doctors.  Even Griffin because, though they were classmates, there were a number of years where Lucas wasn't practicing medicine while Griffin had ascended to a Patrick-esque level.

But trauma is supposed to be his specialty, I believe we learned that through more exposition from people who are not Lucas or his husband. #eyeroll

I should have said "more appropriate" rather than higher ranked. Griffin spends his times in people's brains, he's not useful for a chest injury. Finn is even less useful. Monica as a cardiologist at least works in chests even if she no longer operates.  They needed Lucas in that surgery.

At least they were saving that one ICU bed for Nathan.

[AuxArx]

27 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Kudos to Kristen Storms.  Excellent job today, just being on the edge of completely losing it, but forcing herself to try to put a positive spin on it.  Loved the anger that Faison got to go to surgery first.  Very realistic feeling there.  Interesting having the organ donor guy show up.  It's never a good time for that talk in a situation like that.  

Those scenes were very real.  In my experience, doctors wanting to know what you want them to do, a minister asking questions that aren't registering because you're only focused on the person in the ER....everything is confusion and KS acted that very convincingly.

[ulkis]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

I should have said "more appropriate" rather than higher ranked. Griffin spends his times in people's brains, he's not useful for a chest injury. Finn is even less useful. Monica as a cardiologist at least works in chests even if she no longer operates.  They needed Lucas in that surgery.

What they needed was a lumberjack.

[TeeVee329]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Helena is at least a generation older than Anna.  It must be some scientific magic at work if she's the mother.

But the Woman in White!

[ulkis]

You just had to remind everyone, didn't you?

[statsgirl]

1 minute ago, TeeVee329 said:

But the Woman in White!

Ugh. I'd managed to forget that. There was nothing good about that arc.

[TeeVee329]

3 minutes ago, ulkis said:

You just had to remind everyone, didn't you?

It popped into my head so everyone must suffer muwahahaha!

* adjusts the brim of my fierce hat*

Edited January 29, 2018 by TeeVee329

[Perkie]

6 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Griffin spends his times in people's brains, he's not useful for a chest injury.

I complained about that on Friday, but today, he specifically said he was called in because the bullet was lodged near the spinal column, which could become a neurological problem (or so all of my hospital show watching years have taught me!!!)

 

7 minutes ago, ulkis said:

What they needed was a lumberjack.

Awwww, poor Nathan.  

[Perkie]

14 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

But the Woman in White!

Oooooh, maybe SHE's Heinrick's mother!!!

I swear, I don't care who it is, so long as it isn't Anna from a Faison rape or egg retrieval nonsense.  

[Cheyanne11]

That woman in white storyline was so, so, so bad.

It also is now reminding me of that idiotic storyline that Sonny had with that Angel chick who always wore white.

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Why no, I'm not still bitter, nor do I harbor any residual anger that Obrecht got away with and never had to pay for what she did to Robin.

Thank you GHScorpiosRule, this literally made me laugh out loud.  My reaction to Maxie being nice to Obrecht was, "Why are you holding that bitch's hand?! I know you love your husband, but think of what she did to Robin. You've loved Robin your whole life!!" 

I really hated seeing Mac being civil to Obrecht in the scene where Maxie announced the pregnancy. 

[TeeVee329]

By the way, gotta love the tossed-off line from Maxie about Griffin and Nathan's "history", which is, you know, that Nathan shot Griffin in the chest and, for all he knew, had killed him.

Previews...gawd, this poor nurse Lulu is yelling at.

Edited January 29, 2018 by TeeVee329

[FilmTVGeek80]

2 hours ago, HipOldBat said:

I like Obrecht because, in general, I like soap characters who get redeemed.  Not "sorta redeemed" like Sonny and StJason, who never feel sorry for anything they do, no matter how heinous.   I think the bad characters who get redemption are more interesting than they were when they were villains.

 

2 hours ago, HipOldBat said:

You wrote a question about something I didn't even mention.  You know, I left last time because people take this all so seriously, as if debating the finer points of philosophy, and honestly I find it annoying.  You were picking a fight, and I don't appreciate it.

You wrote that you like Obrecht because she's been redeemed. You even gave an example of Sonny and Jason as being characters who were only sort of redeemed because they never feel sorry for anything they do.  So, it's a safe assumption you think Obrecht feels sorry for the awful things she's done because you said she's been redeemed. But when has that been shown on-screen? It's not a picking a fight to ask why you think Obrecht has been redeemed.

 

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Basically everyone to blame except the actual shooter. ;)

This is what kills me about storylines like this and people rushing to blame everyone but the person who did the actual shooting except with Ava/Sonny/AJ. And, unlike that situation where Ava did everything but pull the trigger herself none of these other characters being blamed for shooting Nathan made Faison shoot first and ask questions later (except for possibly Peter since if he's Heinrich he's basically been trying to goad Faison and make him crazier and crazier.)

[GHScorpiosRule]

Oh Gee...oh wow! Who knew Peter was Superman and able to dodge a bullet!??????

And I hope Jordan didn’t buy that crock of shit.

[nilyank]

6 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And I hope Jordan didn’t buy that crock of shit

Of course she did. She is not very good at her job.

Faison is an international, dangerous criminal and he shot a cop, but Jordan does not have  a police  guard outside his room.

[Aurora2]

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

I would say Anna contributed to the situation as well, since she obviously didn't tell everything she knew and it seems to have had some pertinence to the situation. Unless she didn't know she wasn't telling everything she knew. She might not remember.

Not that I can find it inside myself to blame anyone much. This is another Connie/Kate situation to me.

Honestly though he kinda came across like he was looking for trouble. He didn't NEED those records or that test, he kept badgering O. for the records, she gave them, he still badgered her, even though his evil genius mother told him to leave it alone, and then planned on going after Faison before Lulu even suggested the article. He probably would have been shot even more quickly doing that. I guess what I mean is it came across like he wanted to know who his father was but kept couching it the guise of needing to know for the test. I wanted someone to ask him why he just didn't go ahead and ask already.

Basically everyone to blame except the actual shooter. ;)

Re my using the word "blame," I was following the lead of two posts to which I responded.   I prefer your phrase "contributed to the situation" - or a phrase I used in the 2015 story - a "catalyst" setting story events in motion. 

Going now to what has been on our GH screens, I think we've seen both approaches - with the important point that, in all four cases, the interview has been the focus - especially in drawing attention to Nathan and Maxie.  Liesl and Nina outright blamed Lulu for the interview.  After he learned about Nathan being shot, Dante blamed Peter for pursuing the interview with Lulu.  And today Carly spoke about it as the reason for Faison coming to the Metro Court - no blaming, just stating a reason.   One can add a fifth - Faison - who spoke to Peter about the article when he first arrived at Crimson.   So, however one cuts it, the interview was definitely a story catalyst.  Whether or not characters and fans continue to lay blame remains to be seen.  

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

This is what kills me about storylines like this and people rushing to blame everyone but the person who did the actual shooting except with Ava/Sonny/AJ. And, unlike that situation where Ava did everything but pull the trigger herself none of these other characters being blamed for shooting Nathan made Faison shoot first and ask questions later (except for possibly Peter since if he's Heinrich he's basically been trying to goad Faison and make him crazier and crazier.)

I mean, I kinda get it. They see Faison as a dumb wild beast who can't be reasoned with. But then that's why Anna's "I don't want to set a bad example for Robin" doesn't fly. He's been shown over and over to have no moral compass. (And it's a show.) Shoot him.

[Auntie Velvet]

3 hours ago, Perkie said:

It's even worst since they had Bobbie sitting with Maxie (which I liked) and telling the organ donor guy that she's family, yet son Lucas, who was first working on Nathan just disapears.  Like that one episode was all they needed from Ryan to hit whatever quota and so off Lucas went.  

I'm sure Maxie considers Bobbie her aunt, especially because the former sisters-in-law are still so close.

Perhaps most importantly, Bobbie has a family connection to Maxie because of BJ's heart. <sniffle> 

[Auntie Velvet]

I agree with you guys that Kristen Storms did a great job with her lines, but I am so sick of the trope about the hysterical wife getting in everyone's face and doing more than anyone else to compromise her husband's care by holding everyone up. "Get him to the OR! Why isn't he stable! Why isn't he stable, you assholes???? Rush him up to surgery! Oh, here he is...wait, don't rush him to surgery! I need to tell his unconscious ass something vital!!!" 

I realize that might be "realistic" in that people deal with a crisis in any number of ways, but I think it's more likely for a wife to go dead calm and focus on the details as a coping mechanism.  

[statsgirl]

2 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

This is what kills me about storylines like this and people rushing to blame everyone but the person who did the actual shooting

For me it's because Faison isn't a variable, he's a constant. Every time he comes into town, people get hurt, kidnapped or dead.  So because he's always going to be the scorpion, the people who call him into town are the ones to blame.

[LillyB]

Maxie wearing that pink coat with Nathan's blood on it sadly reminded me of Jackie Kennedy wearing her pink suit with JFK's blood all over it.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

But then that's why Anna's "I don't want to set a bad example for Robin" doesn't fly. He's been shown over and over to have no moral compass. (And it's a show.) Shoot him.

Will Robin be that upset if Anna shoots Faison? I think not. Gah.

It cracked me up that Nathan was shirtless while they were working on him, while Faison was draped to his neck. I know AH isn't exactly in his prime anymore, but sheesh.

I also enjoyed Nina telling Sonny to stuff it when he was asking questions. It isn't any of his business. And sneering about Lulu's insta-investigative reporting career. And Liesl's "Hello, Nina!" as she smoothed her hair was great.

Wah wah wah, poor Carly. She has to comp a bunch of hotel rooms because violence once again is at the MetroCourt.

I blame Lulu for all of this. She's the halfwit who had to go after Faison. She got the ball rolling.

LOL at Peter setting his bulletproof vest on fire in a garbage can. He'll be sorry he did that the next time gunfire breaks out. He can't stick it someplace no one will find it? It's not as if the PCPD has any skills.

[statsgirl]

In terms of not thinking:  Jason.  Carly going all "You have to find out why Faison took you" and all Jason can say is that it won't give him his five years back.  I guess he wasn't programmed for that algorithm.