Episode Discussion: TFGH

[TeeVee329]

14 hours ago, LexieLily said:

I know GF is taking her off-screen vacation and the storyline is that she and Kevin are still in Europe, but there is no way Laura wouldn't have made it a priority to come home in time for her grandson's birthday and her new granddaughter's first day of school. 

Apparently Laura has only one grandchild - Spencer.  Just like Liz has only one child - Jake.

Speaking of this birthday party, I don't remember the outcome of the Lulu/Valerie scenes about it, did Val say she couldn't go?  Otherwise, why all of that and then not have her there?

Edited September 12, 2017 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

I really liked Carly telling Sam to GET OVER IT about losing time with Jakeson. It's not as if he actively worried about who he was when he had amnesia. Elizabeth was an asshole to keep his identity from him, definitely, but I can't find her entirely reprehensible when he didn't even do the bare minimum to figure out who he was.

I don't see the point of the characters rehashing all this stupid history. It happened. Move on. I think Elizabeth, as a nurse and the mother of one of Jason's kids, has standing to comment on what might be in store for Jason. And Sam, if Jason is your life and the only thing keeping you together, you need to see a competent therapist immediately. 

Ugh, I'm way too worked up about all of this. I'm the one who needs to see a competent therapist immediately. Heh.

On 9/12/2017 at 1:27 PM, TeeVee329 said:

Speaking of this birthday party, I don't remember the outcome of the Lulu/Valerie scenes about it, did Val say she couldn't go?  Otherwise, why all of that and then not have her there?

I think Val said she'd try to be there. We might see her today, if the party continues. But I think those scenes were mostly for Valerie and Lulu to agree to start fresh. I practically forgot Val existed, let alone who she is related to. She's used so infrequently and so poorly.

Edited September 13, 2017 by dubbel zout
"to" is not "so"

[TeeVee329]

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

We might see her today, if the party continues.

If the party continues, maybe "Ben" will get a gift from Britt!

*ducks tomatoes thrown by jsbt*

[dubbel zout]

18 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

23 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

We might see her today, if the party continues.

If the party continues, maybe "Ben" will get a gift from Britt!

*ducks tomatoes thrown by jsbt*

Only if Obrecht swans in and delivers it.

[LillyB]

Why didn't Cain and Abel get an invite to Rocco's party? After all they are Rocco's cousins by Lucky (Lucky who?)

[TeeVee329]

Shut the hell up, Michael.  His beating himself up for not giving Sonny more of a reality check about being able to leave the mob was insane, but he's saying he'd TOTES join the business if Sonny would let him made me stabby.  So being the CEO of ELQ and carrying on the Q legacy is his fallback?  I want Ned to destroy him pronto.

Carly patting herself on the back for covering for Sam also irritated because nobody needed to cover anything up for her because, as Alexis said, she was verifiably, undeniably impaired by her illness, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.  Everything Sam/Carly/Sonny today was very Guza-y.

And combining the two, what a boring reveal of Nelle's OMZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz secret to Michael, Carly just chatting with him about it on a bridge and then skipping back to Sonny.  Ugh.

[ulkis]

20 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Carly patting herself on the back for covering for Sam also irritated because nobody needed to cover anything up for her because, as Alexis said, she was verifiably, undeniably impaired by her illness, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.  Everything Sam/Carly/Sonny today was very Guza-y.

I don't know, Carly would never suggest to Sam to pull the plug.

[sunnyface]

MB couldn't even spit out his lines during his first scene.

This 'innocent' Roho stuff continues to both be ragey and boring at the same time, but a nice performance by Kathleen Gati was on display today. 

Was it me or was there a little extra chemistry between Ava and her new friend than there was supposed to be?

Both Griffin and Kiki are both nice to look at.

NLG also put in a solid performance today. 

The stuff that came out of Michael's mouth was even more hypocritical today than the continual whitewashing of Franco.  Sonny murdered your father in cold blood.  Yes, there is a way of leaving the mob.  You toss your guns and bombs away.  You choose not to threaten violence, assault, murder, etc., or be a new type of law.  At least it's not Morgan.

LW seemed to need some of Sonny's meds.  Slow your roll.

This episode was one of the 10 worst (most rage inducing - mob people are just misunderstood) episodes that the writers put together this year.  YMMV.

Edited September 13, 2017 by sunnyface
Sonny.

[Linny]

Classic Carly, so upset over Jason and hurt from Sam's accusations that she has to make herself feel better by shitting on Nelle. There's apparently nothing more rejuvenating than ruining somebody else's life. 

Of course Alexis pointed out Sam's dumb mistake of covering up the shooting, but part of me wanted her to commiserate with Sam. "Oh, you accidentally shot Sonny? It's okay, honey, do you know how many people I've hit with my car? You'll get through this."

I didn't catch the name of the woman talking to Ava, but she looked like an Ivanka knockoff. Those scenes seemed pretty pointless; Ava already had motivation to get the surgery, we didn't need this random woman's sob story.

Liesl and Franco are always an instant pass, but especially so when yammering about that stupid plot device photograph. 

[dubbel zout]

All this hand-wringing about Sonny not being able to leave the mob is so ridiculous. Twenty years ago it might have worked, and I might have been interested in this story. Today? Zzzzzz. It's been shown too often that Sonny doesn't want to truly leave the mob. He can't give up the power.

2 minutes ago, Linny said:

I didn't catch the name of the woman talking to Ava

Larissa, I think it was. If they wanted to be really soapy, Ava would come back with a different face. Heh.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 

11 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

And Olivia was again a loudmouth interfering with family tradition when she urged Lulu and Dante to spoil Rocco with the most expensive gifts possible.

Actually, Olivia was suggesting that Lulu and Dante tell her what to spoil Rocco with, which is SOP for grandparents, IMO.

Olivia was urging the parents to let her take on their burden of guilt for spoiling. True to her character, she was undermining boundaries. Olivia had done that recently with Monica when she summarily fired Monica's cook and upset the household. Olivia has an unfortunate tendency to bully and interfere without an invitation or orders because she thinks she always knows best. She and Aunt Stella have that in common.

[Syndicate]

I thought Larissa kinda looked like mob bitch Faith Roscoe to be honest, but only somewhat slightly.  So Sam loves Carly and Carly loves Sam? Um, NO! While I do think Carly, a territorial bitch who has always appeared to hate all women, should mellow out and embrace maybe one or two women as a friend, it just sounded contrived from them both. I do remember Carly and Olivia bonding in a friendship, but that kinda made no sense to me either since Carly loathed Olivia's cousin Connie aka Kate. 

[dubbel zout]

49 minutes ago, Syndicate said:

I do remember Carly and Olivia bonding in a friendship

I see Carly as making strategic choices to tolerate certain women because they are important to the men in her life. Jason read her the riot act about Sam, so she pulled back. Olivia is the mother of one of Sonny's kids, so she needs to have some sort of relationship with her. Plus, Olivia is unlikely to get together with Sonny, so Carly can pretend she (Carly) is being magnanimous. (They do sort of seem to be friends, given that they both hate Julien.)

It cracks me up how quickly every goes to pulling the plug on Jason. He's been unconscious for two or three days in show time, right? Maybe wait a week before thinking about ending things. 

LOL that Carly thinks she would take the high road, especially where Nelle is concerned. As if.

Edited September 12, 2017 by dubbel zout
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[ciarra]

12 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Can some storyline put Sam in a coma for a while?

She was in a coma last week.  For about a minute.  

Someone should talk to Danny, "Oh, mom was in a coma last week, now it's dad's turn." 

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Carly was lying to everyone, especially herself, when she told Sam "I love you".  It was a bald self-serving assertion that unfortunately Sam took at face value. If Jason became available or even unguarded, Carly would worm her way into stealing him for herself. Carly has a core evil. She worships power and rebellion, and is turned on by outlaw men who possess both. She will never move away from Jason and Sonny because they have committed serious crimes and are outlaws.

Liez is an echo of the same phenomenon. She's with Franco, a serial killer, because she can't be with Jason anymore. Both men are outlaws.

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

It cracks me up how quickly every goes to pulling the plug on Jason. He's been unconscious for two or three days in show time, right? Maybe wait a week before thinking about ending things. 

And he was shot in the chest near the shoulder, not anywhere near his head. Has anyone explained why Jason is in a coma?

[Perkie]

25 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

And he was shot in the chest near the shoulder, not anywhere near his head. Has anyone explained why Jason is in a coma?

Something about the blood loss at the scene, yada yada yada, nothing factual in medical science, we need BM to take a break for a couple of days, we think this will be riveting drama.  

 

42 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

12 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

And Olivia was again a loudmouth interfering with family tradition when she urged Lulu and Dante to spoil Rocco with the most expensive gifts possible.

 

 

Totally disagree with this.  Lante said Rocco wanted the game but they thought it was too old for him, not appropriate, trying to keep screen time down, whatever,  but that they had caved and gotten it for him anyway.  Olivia then told them to put it on her, that if there is ever something they want to get him but feel guilty over the purchase, to have her get it for him, so then she could be blamed for it, as the spoiling grandmother and keep their parental hands clean.  

Edited September 12, 2017 by Perkie

[stlbf]

Hey, where did Olivia bake her baked ziti? Did Ned ever explain WTF his "I have a plan" was?

[Cheyanne11]

35 minutes ago, stlbf said:

Hey, where did Olivia bake her baked ziti? Did Ned ever explain WTF his "I have a plan" was?

Here's a crazy plan: get your own house.  Ned's a millionaire, no need to mooch off Monica.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, stlbf said:

Hey, where did Olivia bake her baked ziti?

She probably did it in the dead of night when Cook 2 was asleep. (I assumed she assembled it only, and Lulu and Dante could throw it in the oven when they wanted to eat.)

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, sunnyface said:

Was it me or was there a little extra chemistry between Ava and her new friend than there was supposed to be?

Not just you.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

• I wonder if Heather accepted the BLT but didn't come out to talk to Franco because she is still formulating a big story to tell him in order to spring herself out of the mental institution.
• Ugh I'm about ready for Ava to get better looking. Call me shallow, but she seems to get more red, shiny,  and raw weekly, rather than improved.
• I need to be reminded about the reason why O'Brecht would act so sanguine toward Franco. She acts more like his doting mother or girlfriend than a former employer or co-worker.
• Rocco and Charlotte were adorable at the kids' party and when cooperating with the adults.
• Somebody was breaking into Carly's house? What's up with that?

[TeeVee329]

1 hour ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

• Somebody was breaking into Carly's house? What's up with that?

I'm sure we're supposed to think it was Steve Burton's face or something equally scary, but it was probably just Oscar trying to see Joss, they're both in the previews for tomorrow.

[TVbitch]

Wait what? Michael feels he'd be good at it and always wanted to be in the mob and would be if Sonny asked him? Just a few years ago he hated the mob and was trying to take Avery from Sonny to protect her from being anywhere near the mob.

... ... Jesus God this show. 

Edited September 13, 2017 by TVbitch

[Cheyanne11]

Carly's thought process: "I feel terrible and sad about Jason, so why should I be alone in feeling like shit?  Hey, Michael, guess what?"

Also, I hate that the "foot bridge" has now become some sort of freakin' monument to *Jason.*  It was Jason and ROBIN'S special place--not his alone. 

[ulkis]

44 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Wait what? Michael feels he'd be good at it and always wanted to be in the mob and would be if Sonny asked him? Just a few years ago he hated the mob and was trying to take Avery from Sonny to protect her from being anywhere near the mob.

... ... Jesus God this show. 

That's cause he was pissed at Sonny, not because he hated the mob.

I never got the impression he wanted to be in it though. Sometimes he would throw a tantrum about it but that was more because he wanted to impress Sonny.

[HeatLifer]

3 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Also, I hate that the "foot bridge" has now become some sort of freakin' monument to *Jason.*  It was Jason and ROBIN'S special place--not his alone. 

Correct. Literally, the only reason it meant anything to Jason was because of Robin. 

[Asp Burger]

16 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

She probably did it in the dead of night when Cook 2 was asleep. (I assumed she assembled it only, and Lulu and Dante could throw it in the oven when they wanted to eat.)

She could have assembled it, but couldn't have done any actual baking (dead of night or any other time), because there's a lock on the oven now. I'm embarrassed to remember that much about Cook 2 filler. Maybe they've skipped over Ned's "plan that will make things better for both of [them]" and the next time we see Olivia and Ned at home, they'll just be in some random house. Show can recycle that one that Finn and Hayden were going to move into, with the weird window. They're so low on the screen-time chain that their self-explanatory mashup couple name should be "Old."  

 I liked the Larissa actress, so far. She reminded me of Naomi Watts. 

Edited September 13, 2017 by Asp Burger

[TeeVee329]

12 hours ago, ulkis said:

That's cause he was pissed at Sonny, not because he hated the mob.

I never got the impression he wanted to be in it though. Sometimes he would throw a tantrum about it but that was more because he wanted to impress Sonny.

But wasn't he just trying to (GRRRRRRR!) help Sonny and Jason get/stay out of the mob and into legitimacy via ELQ?

Basically I hated everything Michael said and did yesterday, even (though I hate her too) the vicious way he turned on Nelle. 

[ulkis]

59 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

But wasn't he just trying to (GRRRRRRR!) help Sonny and Jason get/stay out of the mob and into legitimacy via ELQ?

Was he? So hard. To pay. Attention. No, but really, it came across more like, "okay you guys wanna get it out, let's see what we can do" not particularly passionate about it.

Basically I hated everything Michael said and did yesterday, even (though I hate her too) the vicious way he turned on Nelle.

Well, she did lie to him/not tell him about something that looks pretty shady on paper, especially after what she's already done. I'll take your word for it that he was douchy (didn't watch that scene) but I think he would have looked pretty dumb if he took it mildly.

[ulkis]

I started a "what would you do to fix GH" conversation here:

http://forums.previously.tv/topic/3732-wishlist-hoping-for-a-cure-or-not/?page=12#comment-3633878

Please feel to come and join! (posting this here so people who don't normally go into other threads besides this one would know.)

[dubbel zout]

15 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

16 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

• Somebody was breaking into Carly's house? What's up with that?

I'm sure we're supposed to think it was Steve Burton's face or something equally scary, but it was probably just Oscar trying to see Joss, they're both in the previews for tomorrow.

A rare example of Sonny's security guys on the ball. Heh.

14 hours ago, ulkis said:

I never got the impression he wanted to be in it though. Sometimes he would throw a tantrum about it but that was more because he wanted to impress Sonny.

Yeah, I don't get why Michael is all wistful about the mob. Pretty much every terrible thing that's happened to him has been because of Sonny's involvement in it.

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

Basically I hated everything Michael said and did yesterday, even (though I hate her too) the vicious way he turned on Nelle. 

Michael and Nelle are like a white bread sandwich (where the filling is white bread and there are no condiments), but I think he has some justification to be angry with her. She says she was too ashamed and embarrassed to tell him about her dumb fiancé (side note: WE NEVER CARED), but it's not as if Michael was proud of being raped, and he told Nelle about that.

Though I do wish that scene had been played thusly: Carly smugly tells Michael about Nelle, triumphantly crowing, "I bet she didn't tell you about that!" and Michael replies, "Actually, Mom, she did," and Carly goes away with her tail between her legs. Then Michael turns to Nelle and calmly asks her to spill it.

Edited September 13, 2017 by dubbel zout
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[TeeVee329]

Bobbie (to Monica): How can we ever understand why our children and grandchildren are taken before us?

Me: ...I think Monica understands that your son-in-law - and you, Bobbie, are an on-record cheerleader of this marriage - murdered her son and that your daughter helped him cover it up and that they both spent years trying to keep her grandchild away from her.

I mean, this interaction was nice overall, but...gawd, poor Monica.

[dubbel zout]

In the opening shot at the hospital, I thought the sullen patient in the wheelchair was Sam. LOL.

I'm sure we're supposed to find it charming that Milo is policing Joss's love life. I do not. And Sonny needs to STFU, too. He's not Joss's father.

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I mean, this interaction was nice overall, but...gawd, poor Monica.

I know. AJ was fat, but it would be nice if people remembered he was murdered by Port Charles's finest citizen, Sonny. Though Jason getting shot—again!—shouldn't come as a giant surprise to anyone.

[Linny]

Wow, a scene between two vets in which they acknowledge their shared history and lean on each for support. Am I still watching GH? That was very nicely done by Monica in particular. It's sad to hear her admit she's had to bite her tongue around Jason in order to maintain a relationship with him.

How annoying that Nelle claimed to not truly understand love until she met Michael. She should be allowed to have a past and to have had feelings for other men, none of which would delegitimize her feelings for Michael. But no, of course no man could ever be as wonderful as golden boy Michael Corinthos. 

I refuse to believe my girl Joss is okay with being buddy-buddy with Sonny. No, this must be the work of her heretofore unknown twin, Jess. Joss is living it up with Jax, leaving Jess with the burden of befriending Sonny. This is the only explanation I'll accept.

Them dragging Milo out of storage (and the recent revival of Max) really feels like they're trying to revert back to the status quo of SB's last run on this show. All mob adjacent members are fully back on deck.

[movingtargetgal]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Yeah, I don't get why Michael is all wistful about the mob. Pretty much every terrible thing that's happened to him has been because of Sonny's involvement in it.

Michael is always trying to fix both his family and Sonny's "family".  He does not want to join the mob, but he dreams of taking over to make it a non violent and safe for his family and for Port Charles.  He knows it will never happen but he can't help himself from wondering "what if".  Michael is a rescuer/caretaker of his family.  (Look at the relationships he has been in, Abby, Sabrina and Nelle, all woman for whom he played the white knight.)  It's as if he were the lone sane sober member of a family that consists of violent drug addicts and alcoholics.  He keeps running around putting out fires in a futile attempt to make everything and everyone in his family safe, sober and sane.    

[Perkie]

Nelle's story is so thin, it's no wonder the police think she's guilty.  She and the fiance want a break before the wedding, so they decide to go kayaking in Maine.  She's not a good swimmer but they're both not wearing life jackets.  Then she says the water was rough.  Then why go kayaking.  then she says the water was freezing, cold enough to give the fiance hypothermia almost right away.  Were they kayaking in winter, during a storm?  Then instead of jumping in and trying to save him she tells him to swim over to her, which he couldn't because he was hypothermic already.  How is that story not suspicious?

[dubbel zout]

35 minutes ago, movingtargetgal said:

Michael is always trying to fix both his family and Sonny's "family".  He does not want to join the mob, but he dreams of taking over to make it a non violent and safe for his family and for Port Charles.  He knows it will never happen but he can't help himself from wondering "what if".  

I get this. I think the tone was wrong, especially given Michael's age and experience.

"You're a smart guy, Oscar, so use those brains. Think before you act." Oh, Sonny. You really are "do as I say and not as I do," aren't you?

Yes, Carly and Sonny, let's have a chuckle over the fact that Sonny is a mob boss.

Bobbie, you shouldn't be throwing around the words "trailer-trash gold digger." You've interfered in more than your share of relationships. It would be so much more effective if Bobbie had said something like "I caused my share of trouble when I was young. It never works" or something like that. But instead they reduce her to calling Nelle the same old tired names.

Edited September 13, 2017 by dubbel zout

[TeeVee329]

29 minutes ago, movingtargetgal said:

Michael is always trying to fix both his family and Sonny's "family".  He does not want to join the mob, but he dreams of taking over to make it a non violent and safe for his family and for Port Charles.  He knows it will never happen but he can't help himself from wondering "what if". 

But isn't that what we keep hearing about Sonny and Jason?  That their presence in the mob basically keeps the balance and keeps Port Charles from descending into the Hellmouth or whatever?

[dubbel zout]

Sonny: "It's not like Nelle's a murdered. I don't think she's a cold-blooded killer." Unsaid and understood was "Like I am."

There's way too much of this sort of dialogue, with Sonny and Carly (and a few others) judging everyone else for things they've done multiple times. UGH.

[mostlylurking]

I liked the scene with Monica and Bobbie, although most of the shit that's happened to Monica's kids has happened because of Bobbie's son in law, but still.  It was nice to see these two act together, and the first time in a while Bobbie wasn't insufferable.  As far as her interaction with Nelle, not for nothing but Bobbie is in no position to call anyone else trailer trash.  Methinks someone is forgetting where she herself came from.

Speaking of Nelle, she is so BLAND...she's always so washed out, very blah styling, limp hair, bland makeup, horrible storyline...literally NOTHING on her pops.  Snore.

Did anyone notice something weird about Milo's hair??  It looked like it was spray painted on like Sonny's just a lighter color.  Odd.

Did Oscar actually try and break in or was he just going around back to see if the door was unlocked??  It wasn't like he was trying to climb in a window or anything, was it?  Chill, Milo.

Edited September 13, 2017 by mostlylurking

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, mostlylurking said:

I liked the scene with Monica and Bobbie, although most of the shit that's happened to Monica's kids has happened because of Bobbie's son in law, but still.

And Bobbie's daughter.  Don't forget what Carly did to A.J.

This story about Nelle would have played so much better if both Bobbie and Carly had acknowledged their pasts and assumed Nelle was just like them.  At least it would make her more than white bread.

5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Though I do wish that scene had been played thusly: Carly smugly tells Michael about Nelle, triumphantly crowing, "I bet she didn't tell you about that!" and Michael replies, "Actually, Mom, she did," and Carly goes away with her tail between her legs. Then Michael turns to Nelle and calmly asks her to spill it.

But then Michael would have won one over on Carly and that can never happen.

This story trying to make Nelle to be a Bad Girl is just straight out lame.  All you have to do is look at Carly's past, or Bobbie's, or even Monica's to see how lame it is.

3 hours ago, Linny said:

Them dragging Milo out of storage (and the recent revival of Max) really feels like they're trying to revert back to the status quo of SB's last run on this show. All mob adjacent members are fully back on deck.

It's like they're trying to go back to when the show was better. And so was OLTL. (Not good, just better.)

[TVbitch]

Sonny: Did you just call me a crime lord?

Carly: HAHAHA! ...I did!... HAHAHA!

There just so gosh darn fucking cute together. 

Edited September 13, 2017 by TVbitch

[ulkis]

The only thing that makes me mildly intrigued to watch today's episode is to see Milo's balding.

[tveyeonyou]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

In the opening shot at the hospital, I thought the sullen patient in the wheelchair was Sam. LOL.

I thought the same! There was another scene, I think it was yesterday, and I don't even remember what scene it was because they all bleed into each other, it may have been on the plane, anyway some woman in the background was distracting me from the actual scene because I was trying to figure out why Sam was there (wherever "there" was- it speaks volumes about this stupid show that I can't remember the scene at all because I was so easily distracted).

[Neptune]

when did lulu try to get along with valentine?

[Perkie]

6 hours ago, Neptune said:

when did lulu try to get along with valentine?

I think Lulu has been super tolerant of Valentin under the circumstances.....

1-he held her, her husband, her mother and brother hostage on Cassadine Island

2-he shot Kevin point blank in the chest, while AIMING FOR HER MOTHER (still not sure why he didn't pay for that crime)

3- he forced, at gunpoint, NIk to sign over his and Spencer' birthrite

4-he shot Nik and left him to die/drown in the ocean

5-he kept Lulu from her daughter for the first 6 (9?) years of her life

If this were real GH instead of pod GH writen by incompetent writers, LUlu would have channeled her inner Spencer and gotten rid of Valentin's sorry ass by now.  I mean, I can picture JMB's Lulu getting in touch with Luke and Ethan and suddenly Valentin goes bye bye.  Instead Emme's Lulu's constantly a victim and apparently the bad guy because heaven forbid she should want her daughter and the criminal gone.  

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

8 hours ago, Neptune said:

when did lulu try to get along with valentine?

I think Lulu has been super tolerant of Valentin under the circumstances.....

Lulu went nuclear way too early—and I still think she's wrong to go for full custody—but she's done a really good job not slagging Valentin in front of Charlotte (as has Valentin not slagged Lulu). I like that the show hasn't had either of them do that.

Edited September 14, 2017 by dubbel zout
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[Cheyanne11]

The stuff with Milo yesterday was g.d. stupid, but not as bad as Sonny and Joss suddenly being besties.  God forbid anyone* on this show be allowed to hate Sonny for more than 3 consecutive episodes.

*Not including Julian/Ava/anyone who were supposed to understand is NOT GOOD and therefore their opinion doesn't matter, or Monica, who holds a "silly" grudge simply because he killed her fat son.

[TeeVee329]

25 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

The stuff with Milo yesterday was g.d. stupid, but not as bad as Sonny and Joss suddenly being besties.  God forbid anyone* on this show be allowed to hate Sonny for more than 3 consecutive episodes.

*Not including Julian/Ava/anyone who were supposed to understand is NOT GOOD and therefore their opinion doesn't matter, or Monica, who holds a "silly" grudge simply because he killed her fat son.

And my beloved Scotty.

[ciarra]

I don't understand how going through an unlocked back door is "break and enter".  And what kind of guard does that make Milo if a teenage boy can walk into the house?  Not even checking to see if the door was locked?  Sonny should fire him.