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They're close because all three have been on Bayon the whole time.

Yes, I get this but then why was she not included in the Kelly vote out. I have seen her with Jeremy but not heard anything prior to this past episode about how tight she was with Stephen

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Somewhere Monica is saying 'now what was I doing wrong?'  

 

ETA: Or something like that:

 

Monica Padilla ‏@MonicaPadilla7  6h6 hours ago United States
Omg are you kidding me?!@KimmiKappenberg now u wanna talk about girls' majority/alliance?! With a non-Bayon #Hypocrite Ughhhhhhhh #Survivor

 

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Take some notes Kimmi. When someone says hey lets form a womens alliance you don't immediately vote that person out because it goes against your current alliance. You do what Tasha did and say that sounds a great idea and then you keep that option on the table and try to figure out which alliance gives you the best chance to win.

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Take some notes Kimmi. When someone says hey lets form a womens alliance you don't immediately vote that person out because it goes against your current alliance. You do what Tasha did and say that sounds a great idea and then you keep that option on the table and try to figure out which alliance gives you the best chance to win.

 

I don't have a problem with Kimmi changing her position on a women's alliance.  Things have happened since Monica proposed one the first time, conditions are different and players need to adapt or they will go home.

 

I'm starting to think Kimmi wasn't necessarily opposed to a women's alliance but rather with an alliance that included Monica.

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Somewhere Monica is saying 'now what was I doing wrong?'  

 

  

I'm starting to think Kimmi wasn't necessarily opposed to a women's alliance but rather with an alliance that included Monica.

Dammit, Jersey, ya beat me to it by 15 minutes. :D

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Avoiding the mod wrath by responding here:

 

kikaha, on 03 Dec 2015 - 8:39 PM, said:

She gained two people who were very much on her side come merge.  One of them was probably the #1 power player of the season.  She set her position in stone, in Bayon, the majority alliance.  And as many of us have pointed out, she got rid of someone she didn't like and did not want to work with. 

 

Win/win/win.  

 

She didn't gain anything, since she was already with Stephen and Jeremy; and her position doesn't look very "in stone" to me since neither of them included her in their side-scheme to blindside Wigelsworth.  She lost a player from that very majority alliance (therefore weakening it) who wanted to go to the end with her and thought of her as her #1 ally, didn't eliminate a player (Spencer) who turned out to be the one who destroyed that majority alliance and eliminated her number one ally (Stephen), and if she's voting based on who she likes, she's doing the opposite of Wigelsworth's famous phrase: she's not there to win, she's there to make friends.  Lose/lose/lose.

 

Luckily for her she didn't get the bounce-back on the vote when Jeremy saved Stephen, and good for her, she's picking up the game now.  I am feeling very pro-Kimmi now that she's making moves specifically for herself and not based on some silly sense of "I want to get in good with the #1 power player so I can coast".  It's really exciting to me to see her get up and play finally.  I'm not sure there's a path to the win for her, but I love that she's seen the best one available to her and is moving for it, even if it's a long shot.  Really great stuff from Kimmi.  But her previous move was terrible.

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That has to be the first time that suggestion worked this late in the game. I'm also surprised that Kimmi and not Kelley finaly decided to start an alliance. I remember back when Jenna tried it in Borneo.

 

My only question is does this mean that Tasha and Kimmi have become members of the witches coven?

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Luckily for her she didn't get the bounce-back on the vote when Jeremy saved Stephen, and good for her, she's picking up the game now.  I am feeling very pro-Kimmi now that she's making moves specifically for herself and not based on some silly sense of "I want to get in good with the #1 power player so I can coast".  It's really exciting to me to see her get up and play finally.  I'm not sure there's a path to the win for her, but I love that she's seen the best one available to her and is moving for it, even if it's a long shot.  Really great stuff from Kimmi.  But her previous move was terrible.

 

This is how I feel but stated much more eloquently than I could hope to state it!

 

I'm really glad that Kimmi finally woke up because I really wanted to root for her. Plus I have her on my fantasy team so!

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I think Kass, Kelly, and Ciera have all said very nice things about Kimmi in their exit interviews. If she can ride the women's alliance to the Final Tribal Council, I think she's got a real chance. Abi, Tasha, and Kimmi should really all be blood-oathing an F3 right about now because they are all each other's best chance in any combination of f3/f2 (with obviously Abi being the best one to sit next to in f2). Heck, if Kimmi can actually pull off ringleading a successful women's alliance, I wouldn't count her out against Kelley.

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They can blood oath 20x a day.  The problem is pulling it off.  I'm curious how many posters here believe they will do that, i.e. we will see the four women band together, stick together, and make F4?  I personally think the odds of that happening are somewhere between slim and none. 

 

I do agree with Zuleikha that if Kimmi puts together the alliance, holds it together and reaches F3 with two of her alliance sisters, she can make a great case for the win. 

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I personally think the odds of that happening are somewhere between slim and none.
I feel like we've been shown so little of Kimmi and Tasha's relationships that it's hard for me to know. My vibe is that Tasha is with Jeremy and Spencer for life and has no intention of working with the women regardless of whether it's in her best interest or not. After all, Tasha didn't actually flip on Jeremy in that first Stephen vote... she thought Jeremy was okay with it. In addition, Spencer and Keith have been strong in all of the challenges and Jeremy should be strong if there's a brute force challenge, so there's a real risk that one of the men will always be wearing the immunity necklace. 

 

But I won't be shocked if the women stick together. It seems to be in all of their best interests, and we're close enough to end game when it's a lot easier to put up with someone you don't like to get the win.

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Based on what little we've seen, I feel like Tasha and Kimmi are both so far up Jeremy's ass, there's no chance of them turning on him.   But who knows.  

 

I also feel like based on the edits, a guy is going to win, so that would lead me to believe the four women never actually do anything.

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This season seems to be where people makes moves one or two boots too late.  Kelley and Abi's only option is the women's alliance.  I don't know if Kimmi is on board, but I don't believe Tasha really is.  She probably is using it as an option, but (as some have speculated) maybe he is doing it for the false sense of security so Kelley/Abi didn't recruit Joe or Keith to oust Jeremy/Spencer, who I believe is Tasha's core alliance.  Options are becoming limited.  I am disappointed that Spencer just basically wanted to be up Jeremy's ass and that seems to be why he got rid of Stephen.  Hopefully I'm wrong and he pulls a move.  He's in the minority, but if the girls target him and don't even utter Jeremy's name, I'm going to really wonder what it is that Jeremy has done where no one has targeted him.  Even people in exit interviews can't come up with a reason.

 

I will say that I'm happy Kelley and Kimmi, two pre-merge boots who went early in their respective seasons, have made it this far.  Hopefully this will encourage TPTB to add more pre-merge boots to the next second chance voting.  I don't know if Kimmi really has much game or what made her suddenly want to turn on Jeremy (maybe with Stephen being gone she figures it is time?)

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I don't know if Kimmi really has much game or what made her suddenly want to turn on Jeremy (maybe with Stephen being gone she figures it is time?)

 

I think I read that Stephen said Kimmi was much closer to him than Jeremy, so I figure that once he went she was able to realize that sticking by Jeremy wasn't gonna work out and since she didn't need to worry about being loyal to Stephen anymore she was able to do something quickly.

 

I don't believe the women's alliance will stick because I don't believe Tasha will turn on Jeremy (and Spencer). She should, but she won't.

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kikaha, on 04 Dec 2015 - 2:02 PM, said:kikaha, on 04 Dec 2015 - 2:02 PM, said:

They can blood oath 20x a day.  The problem is pulling it off.  I'm curious how many posters here believe they will do that, i.e. we will see the four women band together, stick together, and make F4?  I personally think the odds of that happening are somewhere between slim and none. 

 

How can we know?  (I don't read the spoiler thread, for one thing...I sure hope you don't, with this leading question.)  I do know if they don't, and not because of Jeremy's idol and/or a guy winning immunity at F5, then they are making a big mistake.  I certainly do not see why they would be any more likely to fall apart than any other alliance.

 

 

 

LadyChatts, on 04 Dec 2015 - 2:56 PM, said:

 I don't know if Kimmi is on board, but I don't believe Tasha really is.  She probably is using it as an option, but (as some have speculated) maybe he is doing it for the false sense of security so Kelley/Abi didn't recruit Joe or Keith to oust Jeremy/Spencer, who I believe is Tasha's core alliance.  

 

It was Kimmi's idea so I feel like she must be on board?  It's definitely possible about Tasha, but if so the more fool her.  I don't know how on earth she thinks she can beat Jeremy or Spencer.  That would be a redo of the Cook Islands FTC, "which of these two men is best?  woman?  what woman, I see no woman."

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How can we know?  (I don't read the spoiler thread, for one thing...I sure hope you don't, with this leading question.)  I do know if they don't, and not because of Jeremy's idol and/or a guy winning immunity at F5, then they are making a big mistake.  I certainly do not see why they would be any more likely to fall apart than any other alliance.

 

Tasha is clearly not with the other women and given Abi's history with alliances who knows what's going to piss her off on any given day causing her to jump to another one.

 

I will give Kimmi props for adapting her game to the circumstances. Editing seemed to indicate that she wasn't really a fan of Kelley or Abi yet here she is initiating an alliance with them to her benefit.

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How can we know?  (I don't read the spoiler thread, for one thing...I sure hope you don't, with this leading question.)  I do know if they don't, and not because of Jeremy's idol and/or a guy winning immunity at F5, then they are making a big mistake.  I certainly do not see why they would be any more likely to fall apart than any other alliance.

 

Why I think the women's alliance will not sweep the men, i.e. at least one man will make finals:

 

1.  Challenges.  Chances are fair that a man wins every challenge left.  If so, this alone derails the WA. 

 

2.  Tasha.  She looks to me closer to Jeremy than anyone else.  Easy to see her sticking with him over, say, Abi (I sense Tasha's frustration with Abi has reached Denise-like depths).  e.g. easy to see her handing over more critical info to him, like she did last episode, that he can use to stay in the game.

 

3.  Jeremy's idol.  Along with his WA mole Tasha, a pretty potent weapon that keeps him safe and could bounce one of the women, in one fell swoop. 

 

4.  Jeremy's edit.  The best of any contestant in Second Chances. 

 

Overall I think the best edits this season have gone to Jeremy, Kelley, Spencer and Tasha.  By a pretty big margin.  Of the other players still left, Keith comes across as comic relief and good at certain challenges, but not a serious contender for the win; Abi comes across as the ultimate goat; while Kimmi has drifted between the first and second groups. 

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4.  Jeremy's edit.  The best of any contestant in Second Chances. 

 

Overall I think the best edits this season have gone to Jeremy, Kelley, Spencer and Tasha.  By a pretty big margin.  Of the other players still left, Keith comes across as comic relief and good at certain challenges, but not a serious contender for the win; Abi comes across as the ultimate goat; while Kimmi has drifted between the first and second groups. 

 

My editing tea-leaf reading skills have been called into question, but to me the best edit has been Spencer's.  (He would be the most boring winner of those left, to me, so I hope I'm wrong.)  I would not put Tasha on an editing tier with Jeremy, Spencer, and Kelley myself.

 

I am giving Tasha the benefit of the doubt that she's not so incredibly dumb as to not go with this women's alliance, handed to her on a silver plate.  I guess we'll see.  A lot of smart people have been incredibly dumb on this show, so it's certainly not out of the question.  But it would be on an Erik-gives-up-immunity, Tyson-messes-up-the-split-vote level to me.

 

I don't see why it's any more likely for the men to sweep the challenges than the women.  This just seems like the usual pre-merge silliness where all women are weak and all men are strong.  Tasha has proven to be a challenge beast in the past, and Kelley has been doing pretty well this season.  Abi beat everyone left in a challenge already.  Anyway, challenges are a wild card.  Can't know till it happens.

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KimberStormer, best four edits to my eye, in order, taking it from the top: Jeremy, Kelley, Spencer, Tasha.  The first three are pretty close to each other.  Tasha seems to me a rung below them, but quite a bit above Kimmi (#5), Keith (#6) and Abi (#7).  I don't believe Abi can win at the end, no matter who she sits next to. 

 

Challenges: overall I think Keith and Spencer between them have out-performed everyone this season not named Joe.  Both also did extremely well their first seasons.  I suspect Jeremy often makes sure he doesn't win: it's one reason he's stayed off the radar screen. 

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2.  Tasha.  She looks to me closer to Jeremy than anyone else.  Easy to see her sticking with him over, say, Abi (I sense Tasha's frustration with Abi has reached Denise-like depths).  e.g. easy to see her handing over more critical info to him, like she did last episode, that he can use to stay in the game.

 

3.  Jeremy's idol.  Along with his WA mole Tasha, a pretty potent weapon that keeps him safe and could bounce one of the women, in one fell swoop.

These are the most compelling reasons to me. The women's alliance is going to have to target Spencer or Jeremy while the hidden immunity idols are still valid, and I think Jeremy would use his idol to save himself or Spencer and bounce Kelley or Abi—possibly Kimmi, too, since she doesn't seem as close to Jeremy now as she did pre-merge. If Kimmi or Kelley go, then I think this alliance is done—assuming Tasha's even on board.

 

Speaking of which, it's not clear to me that Tasha is on board. I agree with @KimberStormer that she'd be a fool not to be, but Tasha has already alerted Spencer and Jeremy to its existence, so it seems pretty unlikely that she'd let either of them be blindsided out at this stage. On the other hand, they might not even need her to alert them. If Keith goes next, then that leaves only Jeremy and Spencer as targets for the women's alliance. Unless they can successfully convince Jeremy and Spencer that the player being voted out is not the target (which they may not bother with—I don't know how high the idol paranoia is within the women's alliance and the only reason to lie about the target is if you're worried about idols), then I really do think Kelley or Kimmi will be idoled out.

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 Editing seemed to indicate that she wasn't really a fan of Kelley or Abi yet here she is initiating an alliance with them to her benefit.

I didn't follow the previous seasons as closely as this (maybe Philippines/Cagayan/Caramoan, but not so much the others that followed it), but editing has been really tricky this season. Kimmi said in a her hidden TH this past episode that she likes Kelley and they get along very well in camp. I guess they really just ended up being on opposite alliances for most of the game, so they don't show them being friendly with each other to keep up the tension. But now that Stephen is out, Kimmi feels more free to move on her own.

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Wasn't it cute when Tasha said 'she just wants to play' when all Tasha had been doing was following Jeremy's lead to being is #2 goat?  Kimmi played way too late.  I guess we will find out in interviews, but she waited to make a move, when she could have made a move, I don't know.  I can't believe I'm agreeing with anything Dan Foley said last season, but he was right about one thing: fans (or apparently anyone on Survivor) can't do basic math.  You never want to make a move when there's the chance of a vote split that ends in a tie.  

 

Of course, at least Kimmi tried to be proactive and realized (too late) she was 4th in a 4 person alliance.  Unlike Tasha and Spencer who rode Jeremy's coattails.  I just wish we had seen this Kimmi sooner.  I wish she had kept the girls alliance going.  Ultimately, I'm happy she got a second chance, and happy she made it so much further this time.  This likely would have been her only opportunity to come back.  I really didn't expect her to even get voted back on, but glad she did.  I'm all for more old schoolers next time.  

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Kimmi!!!

 

There was something wonderfully poetic and hysterical that she spent so much time in her Ponderosa video saving a crab caught in a trap and setting him free!  Juxtapose that with 'we eat all the clams and all the food in the sea' stance she took in the game.  Just fantastic!

 

Be well, Kimmi, always be well.

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I came back around on Kimmi.  Yes, maybe too little too late.  Yes, probably made it too obvious she was up to something. 

She had an excellent idea, but executed it poorly, for the reason you gave.  Still, Jeremy trusted her so much she almost pulled it off.  If she had not let Spencer and Tasha see her conversations with Keith and Kelley, she could have flipped the game on its head.  She had workable plans to do this twice, the first being the women's alliance. 

 

She played real real well.  She built relationships that took her very deep; came up with innovative plans to upset the apple cart; and came pretty close to possibly winning.  To do that she had to boot Jeremy and Kelley for sure, and maybe Spencer too.   In a final 3 against Keith and Tasha, with Kimmi the mastermind who bounced Kelley and Jeremy, I bet she wins. 

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So Kimmi says she's going to show Spencer to her children as "an example of bullying."  I wonder if she'll show them herself blabbing that Monica is interested in a possible girl-alliance and herself flipping on her tight alliance as "an example of disloyalty?"  Kimmi, if it's a game when you do it, it's a game when Spencer does it.  She disgusted me the entire game, interviewing her outrage that someone like Monica would dare to tell her "her opinion," hiding behind her alliance while she gleefully voted people out, then coming in with the jury after her eviction all teary eyed and trembly chinned because what she had done to others had happened to  her.  I'll bet, until she realized she was fourth, she was picturing herself sitting at the end with Jeremy  and winning the million, because single mother beats married father every day in her entitled world.

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I have to laugh at this....

 

http://my.xfinity.com/blogs/tv/2015/12/17/survivor-castaways-keith-and-kimmi-werent-fans-of-spencer-and-tasha/

 

Nale: To me he was pretty convincing. I don’t think you throw something out there to get sympathy votes. Looking at them, Jeremy was going to get my vote whether she was pregnant or not.
Kappenberg: Exactly. Tasha out there…she was another one. You could’ve put anyone next to Tasha and Spencer and they would’ve won. You could put Abi out there and it would’ve been a tough call.
Nale: Yeah.
Kappenberg: Abi had been mentally abused out there. Her feelings were hurt.
Nale: She was a time bomb.
Kappenberg: But she would’ve gotten my vote over Tasha and Spencer. That’s how anti-Tasha and Spencer I am. There were different things you didn’t see, like in the food challenge where she’s eating the balut and she’s pounding her chest and saying, “I’m doing this out of hate! I’m doing this out of hate!” It’s like, “Who the heck are you? What are you doing?” The audience didn’t get to see that. Why are Tasha and Spencer so protected? Even during the loved-one visit, they showed us for a little bit, but it still managed to be about Spencer. Ooo…he’s got a little girlfriend. Oooo…he said, “I love you.” And he didn’t even win the damn reward.
Holmes: Keith, who are you voting for in a Spencer, Abi, Tasha final three?
Nale: That’d be a close call right there. I don’t know…I might have to give it to Spencer. Just because Abi and Tasha…it’d be a close call. Close call. Not Tasha. I look at it like, “Did they really play this game?” Spencer won some challenges. He made it further than me.

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I have to laugh at this....

http://my.xfinity.com/blogs/tv/2015/12/17/survivor-castaways-keith-and-kimmi-werent-fans-of-spencer-and-tasha/

Nale: To me he was pretty convincing. I don’t think you throw something out there to get sympathy votes. Looking at them, Jeremy was going to get my vote whether she was pregnant or not.

Kappenberg: Exactly. Tasha out there…she was another one. You could’ve put anyone next to Tasha and Spencer and they would’ve won. You could put Abi out there and it would’ve been a tough call.

Nale: Yeah.

Kappenberg: Abi had been mentally abused out there. Her feelings were hurt.

Nale: She was a time bomb.

Kappenberg: But she would’ve gotten my vote over Tasha and Spencer. That’s how anti-Tasha and Spencer I am. There were different things you didn’t see, like in the food challenge where she’s eating the balut and she’s pounding her chest and saying, “I’m doing this out of hate! I’m doing this out of hate!” It’s like, “Who the heck are you? What are you doing?” The audience didn’t get to see that. Why are Tasha and Spencer so protected? Even during the loved-one visit, they showed us for a little bit, but it still managed to be about Spencer. Ooo…he’s got a little girlfriend. Oooo…he said, “I love you.” And he didn’t even win the damn reward.

Holmes: Keith, who are you voting for in a Spencer, Abi, Tasha final three?

Nale: That’d be a close call right there. I don’t know…I might have to give it to Spencer. Just because Abi and Tasha…it’d be a close call. Close call. Not Tasha. I look at it like, “Did they really play this game?” Spencer won some challenges. He made it further than me.

Kimmi always struck me as a rather odd person with her crazy eyes and strange way of carrying herself and this interview confirms it.

She has this hatred for Tasha and Spencer and tries to explain based on things the audience didn't see, and then doesn't cite anything that would remotely provoke such hatred.

Tasha yelling "I am doing this out of hate!" while eating the balut was probably her way of motivating herself to get the disgusting food down.

She hates Spencer because the editors found him and his girlfriend more interesting than her and her loved one? And that is Spencer's fault how?

She also seemed genuinely offended that Spencer and Tasha suspected her of turning on the alliance, when she had in fact turned.

She seems like one of those people who believes her lies are morally superior to the truth.

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Anyone know how much she gets for where she finished? She wasn't my favorite player this season, but I still like her, and feel for her situation with her kids, I hope it's a decent amount.

I think it tend to varies based on the number of contestants (18 vs 20).  I know she gets $10,000 for the reunion show.  I think she might have took around $50-$60,000 home for sixth place (give or take).  I can't seem to find a solid answer on that.  And again, it might depend because of the number of contestants.  I don't know why I was thinking 3rd place only got $50,000 (is that the third place prize on Big Brother?  Maybe that's where I was getting that from).

 

Here's another Kimmi interview.  At least she's willing to play again.  I guess Cambodia didn't kick her butt too badly:

 

http://cartermatt.com/189503/survivor-cambodia-second-chance-exclusive-kimmi-kappenberg-on-big-move-regrets-desire-to-play-again/

 

So after going through all of this, do you have any interest in playing again, or do you have it out of your system?

 

Well I definitely got a lot of it out of my system, but I’m so mad at how it ended that I want to go back out there, make a difference, and do it again. I think this was my warm-up. It was such a different game than the one I first played with alliances, immunity idols, and tribe swaps. I had my test run; now I’m ready to go.

 

Keith – Go get ’em, Kimmi!

 

 

When you think about it, this was really Kimmi's first time getting to really play Survivor.  Her first time, while way different style of game, she only went to TC once before her tribe went on a winning streak (and the next TC she went to, she got voted off).  And the first vote that season seemed like an easy one.  Count me in as someone that would like to see Kimmi get a third chance.  At times this season I did want to strangle her for her game play, but I think she showed she has it in her.  Unfortunately she just made moves too late and aligned with the wrong people.  I think she'll do much better in that department next time, and probably still be underestimated.

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We were laughing at her saying she lost her boobs.  She still had ginormous jugs.  And then we laughed again at her being bra-less still at FTC.  

 

I agree with the doc, though, she looked fine.  No major skin issues, not a bag of bones, seemed fairly alert.  Kelley looked like the walking dead.  

 

I get the feeling Kelley, Spencer, Jeremy, Stephen and others lived and breathed the game out there, while Kimmi and Wigles treated it more like a little camping trip.  

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Kimmi impressed me this season I wasn't expecting her to do so well. I think she would have had a good chance at winning the game with this jury since most of them are older or have children. I think she impressed her fellow contestants plus she is a single mom with children who have health issues. A lot of people this season in the exit interviews seemed to really like her.

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She also seemed genuinely offended that Spencer and Tasha suspected her of turning on the alliance, when she had in fact turned.

She seems like one of those people who believes her lies are morally superior to the truth.

That's the Kimmi I saw, too.  That, plus Kimmi's anger over having to listen to other people's opinions make me unsurprised that she's still single.

 

As for winning because one of her children has health problems, then Terry's son's health problems would have to be weighed against her son's.  I hope "Survivor," never gets into that "Queen for a Day" area because then why even play the game?  Just compare sad stories in the beginning and go on home.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YW-uv3Ibm8

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That's the Kimmi I saw, too.  That, plus Kimmi's anger over having to listen to other people's opinions make me unsurprised that she's still single.

And still a waitress.  Not that there's anything particularly wrong with either of those, but it makes for a hard life, with two kids, even without health issues.  

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I don't think anyone should win because they have kids with health issues. It just seemed that this jury really liked Kimmi and wanted her to do well. That shows she played a good social game. I'm sure if Tasha had a child with health issues I doubt this cast would have voted for Tasha because they didn't like her.

It's interesting that Kimmi pretty much caused the most chaotic tribal council in the shows history.

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