S31: Kimmi Kappenberg

[Oscirus]

They did vote with the Bayon's alliance. Its not Kimmi's fault that Monica got greedy and started trying to immobilize forces against Jeremy way too early. Monica played too hard, scared the shit out of kimmi and got blindsided for her it.

[kikaha]

Voting with the Bayon alliance, and not flipping on the men but voting for a woman, is an interesting way to make that sign!

That is after she floated the idea of flipping against them.  Something she said in interviews she definitely wanted to do. 

 

What would Boston Rob have done to someone who brought up excluding Amber?

 

What would Kim have done to a guy who suggested voting out Chelsea? 

 

Monica made a freshman mistake.  She didn't know the person she was talking to at all.  Even now, months later, she's bewildered.  Her all-women's shades (or obsession) blinded her to the most basic inter-personal relationship. 

[Guest]

Do you think Kimmi is at all in a position like Rob or Kim?  

 

Monica suggested voting out Spencer.  Was he Kimmi's right hand man?  

 

I can't see Rob or Kim Spradlin shaking with rage over a food discussion and making game decisions based on that rage.  

[KimberStormer]

Pretty sure Kim would have listened, talked about it, decided rationally if it was the right thing to do.  She planned at one point to take Alicia and Kat to the end, but when her alliance wanted Kat out, she went along with that, because it made sense to do so.  Kim was obviously Chelsea's top ally, the person Chelsea put the most trust in.  When she wanted to vote out Kat, did Kim vote out Chelsea for this audacity?  Or did she realize that taking out someone loyal to her specifically is a boneheaded move?

[LadyChatts]

Monica felt the most loyal to Kimmi, and thought the feeling was mutual.  Obviously, she was wrong and admits it.  Kimmi's loyalty was more towards Stephen and/or Jeremy.  Even though it wasn't just Kimmi who blindsided her, she is the one that Monica completely misread.  In a few interviews I've read with Monica, she openly said she wanted an all girls alliance and said so to Kimmi.  Kimmi took that as a threat to the people she was in an alliance with and wanted to remain in an alliance with.  I don't know why Kimmi is so wrong for getting rid of someone that might flip on her or the people she wants in her alliance down the road.

 

I think there are a few more pieces to the puzzle coming out as to why Monica might have been targeted, and it came down to trust.  If she hadn't gotten such an invisible edit maybe we would have seen more as to why Kimmi/Stephen/Jeremy were not on board with her 100%.  I really do not believe her boot had anything to do with the annoying clam talk, but I do think suggesting she was going to do an all girls alliance down the road tipped the boot in her favor.  Monica said she was cool with some of the people on her tribe, but Kimmi was the one she felt most connected to.  It would have been interesting if old Bayon made the trek to TC before the swap, if Monica might have found herself blindsided even sooner.

Edited October 23, 2015 by LadyChatts

[LanceM]

They did vote with the Bayon's alliance. Its not Kimmi's fault that Monica got greedy and started trying to immobilize forces against Jeremy way too early. Monica played too hard, scared the shit out of kimmi and got blindsided for her it.

 

She never did that all she did was say lets vote out Spencer instead of Kelly.

[Zuleikha]

Its not Kimmi's fault that Monica got greedy and started trying to immobilize forces against Jeremy way too early.

Stephen said in his blog that Monica came to him feeling out the possibility of voting out Jeremy. Per his own account, she didn't say it explicitly and to me, it's possible he misinterpreted her. He claims that the context meant it could only mean Jeremy, but I don't consider any of these players reliable narrators since they're not objective. I want to see Monica confirm that first.

 

Even if true, I don't think it means Monica got greedy as much as it means Monica was trying to feel out all of her options. 

[kikaha]

Do you think Kimmi is at all in a position like Rob or Kim?  

 

Monica suggested voting out Spencer.  Was he Kimmi's right hand man?  

 

I can't see Rob or Kim Spradlin shaking with rage over a food discussion and making game decisions based on that rage.  

 

Kimmi is in an alliance she feels allegiance towards.  If someone threatens that alliance, she responds in kind.  In that way she is like Rob or Kim.  Another way she was like them this episode: she convinced the others in her alliance to vote the way she wanted.  

 

I don't think she decided out of rage.  She decided because Monica wanted to break up the alliance.  Yes that made Kimmi angry.  But the decision itself was sound.  And the fact that they totally blindsided Monica shows Kimmi is able to keep her anger in check.  So does the fact that Monica still can't believe Kimmi didn't like her.  Months later, even after seeing the episode on TV where Kimmi makes her feelings crystal clear, Monica still is shocked Kimmi did not have her back.  So whatever anger Kimmi felt, she hid it perfectly from Monica. 

 

 

She never did that all she did was say lets vote out Spencer instead of Kelly.

 

Not so.  She talked about setting up a women's alliance.  That means bouncing Jeremy, Stephen and any other men with them.  Which she said she was ready to do at a moment's notice: she was only with them out of short-term necessity. 

 

KimberStormer, once Kim decided to stick with the women, before merge IIRC, no amount of talk from the men could have changed her mind.  In fact she mowed them down, one after another.    

[pennben]

 I don't know why Kimmi is so wrong for getting rid of someone that might flip on her or the people she wants in her alliance down the road.

 

Well, now with Stephen's blog we have someone with a penis that also distrusted Monica, so perhaps Kimmi wasn't wrong to vote her out after all!:)

[KimberStormer]

KimberStormer, once Kim decided to stick with the women, before merge IIRC, no amount of talk from the men could have changed her mind.  In fact she mowed them down, one after another.    

 

So what?

[scowl]

KimberStormer, once Kim decided to stick with the women, before merge IIRC, no amount of talk from the men could have changed her mind.  In fact she mowed them down, one after another.    

 

Monica hadn't decided on a women's alliance. She only suggested to Kimmi as a possibility.

 

It's seems like Kimmi is new school: form a quick and early alliance and stick with it no matter what other opportunities appear later on.

[LadyChatts]

My impression, at least from some of Monica's interview comments, is she was dead set on forming a girls alliance.  She may have floated it as an idea to Kimmi, but I believe she had every intention of trying to make it happen.  Her biggest downfall was she couldn't even tell her biggest ally was not, in fact, her biggest ally.  In addition, whether Stephen misunderstood or not, if he thought she was going after Jeremy at some point, that's another move that lowered the ax.  Monica really wasn't very smart at the social or strategy aspect of this game, imo.  I can see why she got zero screen time.  Whether this does come back to bite Kimmi or not, point is, she still outlasted Monica.  And I don't think Monica would have been smart enough down the road to successfully pull a women's alliance together and be a mastermind.  So Kimmi may have been screwed regardless, but she's still there.

Edited October 23, 2015 by LadyChatts

[Oscirus]

I want to see Monica confirm that first.

 

I heard her confirm this on survivor talk on EW. I've heard it elsewhere too I'm just too lazy to backtrack to all the places I went.

[Zuleikha]

I heard her confirm this on survivor talk on EW.

I just watched it. She said she talked to Kimmi about taking out Jeremy post-merge. Monica didn't say anything about targeting him in the immediate future on Survivor Talk. I haven't heard her say anything that even hinted at her thinking about or intended to target Jeremy before Wigles or Spencer. 

[Oscirus]

Post merge was at worst 2 votes from that time so even if it's not the immediate future, it's pretty damn close. And if even Stephen's thinking she was putting out feelers to him, it's not too hard to imagine that she was sending out feelers to more then those two.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Oscirus

[LadyChatts]

What I'm loving and being somewhat amused by, is that two people who had virtually no air time all season have suddenly provided us with one of the more spirited debates so far (if not one of the more polarizing and bigger moments).  Monica whispered 'boo!' and she got people nervous.  Of course Jeremy and Stephen would turn on her if she mentioned girls alliance.  However, if she approached Stephen and mentioned taking Jeremy out post merge, that's another reason for them to turn on her.  I wish they had given us more footage.  It's not like they didn't already make it obvious what was happening last night by suddenly giving Monica and Kimmi screen time.  So showing us more of the debate and circumstances leading up to Monica's boot wasn't going to be a dead giveaway.

 

Hopefully formers hoping for their shot at the next second chance take not: zip it and keep your ideas to yourself until you know you can execute them successfully.

[KimberStormer]

I'm having a ball, I must admit.

 

But noooooooooooo, future players, don't take this as an excuse to sit on your ass and do nothing till it's too late!

[LadyChatts]

I'm having a ball, I must admit.

 

But noooooooooooo, future players, don't take this as an excuse to sit on your ass and do nothing till it's too late!

 

Oh, I don't want them to sit on their ass and do nothing but be a sheep  or whine that you didn't act sooner.  I hate those types of players!  However, the downfall of certain players this season (and I feel like we've had more than just 5 boots) seems to be the tunnel vision that is pre-game alliances and being dead set on voting people out without considering if it really is in your or your tribes best interest, or spouting off an idea with knowing if you are talking to the right people.  Monica's comments probably seemed innocent enough to her, she thought she had a close ally in Kimmi, and figured the Bayon 4 was staying tight.  So why not entertain an idea and see if people are up for it; except in this case it was the wrong people.  She isn't the first or the last to make that mistake (and probably not even the last this season).  So maybe people just need to be a little smarter and sneakier when strategizing is all.  However, considering I would fail miserably at the strategy part of this game, I shouldn't be judging.

Edited October 23, 2015 by LadyChatts

[peachmangosteen]

Monica made a freshman mistake.

 

I believe Kimmi made one as well. It'll be interesting to see if it bites her. I sure hope it does!

I will definitely give Kimmi credit for one thing though, she obviously did a good job of making Monica believe she actually liked her when she clearly did not. Although, that might be more about Monica being a bit unaware than anything to do with Kimmi's abilities. It's hard to tell since we were never allowed to see either of them and instead were treated to countless footage of Stephen being clumsy and awkward and Jeremy tooting his own horn.

Edited October 23, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[Guest]

Maybe this is the "slow burn" change in play Jeff P. referred to--- anyone who dares to openly play the game is summarily voted out, all season.  If so, I think the show is doomed.  They'll need to do something to shake out that trend, if it even did show signs of lasting beyond this weird season with 'old school' players.  

[kikaha]

I'm having a ball, I must admit.

 

But noooooooooooo, future players, don't take this as an excuse to sit on your ass and do nothing till it's too late!

 

My version: "future players, don't blab out a strategy to someone who is dead-set against it (and doesn't like you to boot)." 

 

Monica must be terrible at sussing out other players' true feelings, because this one was a double whammy: didn't know Kimmi couldn't stand her, and didn't know her idea of a woman's alliance was anathema to Kimmi. 

Maybe this is the "slow burn" change in play Jeff P. referred to--- anyone who dares to openly play the game is summarily voted out, all season.  If so, I think the show is doomed. 

 

I don't think Monica's problem was playing the game openly.  Her mistake was playing the game foolishly.  She knew nothing -- zero, zilch -- about the person she was confiding in. 

 

Personally I'm greatly enjoying this season, and feel the show is in excellent hands.  

[marys1000]

I wonder if Monica didn't know whether Kimmi didn't like her.  In her post boot secret scene she makes mentions of being on a tribe with people she didn't want to be with.  So it may have been mutual from her stand point but she was playing with the people she was with.  You can't just go mute.

[ProfCrash]

Monica has said in interviews that she thought she and Kimmi were solid and she had no idea that she bothered Kimmi. I don't think she realized it until last night. She was truly blindsided. I don't think Monica was mute, I think she started the game fixated on a woman's alliance and she didn't adapt. She totally misread her alliance mates and I think was caught off game at how cut throat people are. Monica did have pregame discussions with people on original Ta Kao.

 

I don't think it was a bad move by Kimmi.

 

1) Outing Monica's desire to form a woman's alliance tells Jeremy and Stephen that Kimmi can be trusted to not flip on them.

2) Kimmi found Monica annoying. She didn't go off on her, she kept her peace, but Monica's removal means that she is less likely to flip out because she got rid of the person who was annoying her.

3) She builds some trust with Spencer and Kelly. I think it is more important with Spencer then Kelly because I don't think Kelly is stratagizing (sp so bad word isn't fixing it).

4) She can flat out tell Spencer that Monica was trying to flip the vote from Kelly to Spencer so she covered his ass. And she can tell Kelly that instead of simply flipping the vote, she took out Monica. Again, I don't think that Kelly really cares but who knows.

[scowl]

Monica must be terrible at sussing out other players' true feelings, because this one was a double whammy: didn't know Kimmi couldn't stand her, and didn't know her idea of a woman's alliance was anathema to Kimmi. 

 

Or perhaps give Kimmi some credit. She might be brilliant at fooling people into thinking she likes them 24/7. This is a Survivor talent that I could never master.

[Guest]

I would've guessed Kimmi didn't like Monica just from her tone with her in the water.   I think Monica is either thick-skinned or figured Kimmi could dislike her personally at times but also be a long-term ally.   I'm always amazed that people can do that.  I know it's the strategic way to play but I'm not sure I could work closely with someone I disliked strongly.  

[scowl]

I'd be willing to think that Kimmi's actions were strategic if she hadn't droned on and on about having horrible Monica around is like carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders. Kimmi knew that talking strategy will get you booted on Survivor these days so she saw an opportunity. 

[Guest]

While I'm being all negative I'd like to officially post that from now on I'm calling her Kim.  Why a grown woman goes by Kimmi is beyond me.  At least Abi was probably born with the i.  

 

It occurred to me today that Vytas is another hugely unfortunate name.  It sounds like a mashup of v.d. and fetus, with the extra bonus of almost rhyming with penis. 

[ProfCrash]

If she goes by Kimmi then that is what I will call her

[LadyChatts]

Since she went by Kimmi before I wonder if the show said she had to go by it this time (even if she doesn't go by it in real life anymore).

[BigRedCheese]

Kimmi sounds fine to me, don't know why she should change it if she likes it.

[Guest]

I don't know why she would like it.   It sounds like a toddler on Rugrats.

[LadyChatts]

I don't know why she would like it.   It sounds like a toddler on Rugrats.

 

Now that was a Kimmi that annoyed me.

[BigRedCheese]

Eh, I've never seen Rugrats, so Kimmi works for me.

[phlebas]

I had a minor crush on Kimmi during her first season.

 

Admitting things like that is why I'm glad to use an alias on this site.

[loki567]

Where's the shame in that? She was cute in Australia. 

[phlebas]

I'm not really embarrassed.  Just making a brave and powerful admission against the implacable tide of Kimmi Criticism here :)

 

I kinda had a crush on Eliza early on, too.  She reminded me of the kinds of girls I was attracted to in high school.  That one didn't survive the season.

 

We should start a topic about Survivor crushes.  I'm curious to know which of you had it bad for damn Judd in damn Guatemala man.  I'm looking at you, LadyChatts.

Edited October 25, 2015 by phlebas

[ByaNose]

Kimmi wasn't on long enough in the Outback for a crush for me. I was into Elisabeth, Amber & Jerri. They were super hot and they all made the jury. Season 2 was just such a huge season ending with Colby making the million dollar mistake. Oddly enough, the contestants who didn't make the merge or jury were still HUGE stars. That's how big Survivor Outback was. I mean everyone remembers Kimmi & Alicia and the finger wagging. Good times indeed!

[Guest]

I'm not really embarrassed.  Just making a brave and powerful admission against the implacable tide of Kimmi Criticism here :)

Please don't think that voicing an opinion contrary to some others' requires bravery!  I don't think anyone is going to attack you or think less of you for liking a player one of us doesn't like this week.   I don't know if I'm the implacable tide but I certainly don't feel like my opinion is some correct opinion.  

 

As for remembering Outback players, I haven't watched that season since it aired so long ago, and all I remember really are Colby, Tina, Jerri, Keith and Mike.  And I have a feeling I wouldn't remember Jerri and Mike if they hadn't played again.  

[BigRedCheese]

I don't know if I had a crush on Kimmi, but I found her very cute, I can't think of anyone from the Outback that I really crushed on. Jerri was one of the more memorable personalities, in her day after interview with Bryant Gumble, they actually did it while eating breakfast together at a restaurant, I can't remember him doing that with anyone else. I probably would have had a crush on her, but like most of America, I hated her, thinking back to it now, she's so harmless, since then we've had people like Russell Hantz, Corrine, that douche bag that came in second in Thailand, and many others a thousand times worse than any of her crankiness. In fact, I find her downright likable now, and Colby is the one I find to be an insufferable a**hole.

[phlebas]

Please don't think that voicing an opinion contrary to some others' requires bravery!  

Yes it does!

 

(That was me being brave again.  You're welcome!)

Anyhow, I hope this last episode is a harbinger of more screen time and maneuvering for Kimmi.  Justify my love, K-dawg!

[BigRedCheese]

I for one appreciate your bravery phlebas! ;)

[phlebas]

I for one appreciate your bravery phlebas! ;)

Thanks :)  And I don't want to overstate my affection for the Kappenbabe.  I pretty much forgot she existed when Danni Boatwright showed up.  But I am enjoying this season of Survivor: Finder of Lost Loves

[ByaNose]

Since, the show isn't showing Kimmi I thought I would say something......anything. I hope she had a great time out there. Except, for the bout of Monica we haven't seen much of her. I am always intrigued by the non edit. Is anyone ever aware out there if they aren't getting confessionals or camera time? Is everyone given the sare a out of confessionals out there on site and it's only when they get home it either makes air or doesn't? Of course, she could make the Final 4 without much airtime. I think Brett Clouser (Samoa) made the Final 4 and you barely heard a word from him.

[LadyChatts]

I loved Kimmi during Outback but this is certainly a far cry from those days.  With the exception of Nick, I think everyone got a decent number of confessionals.  Starting after PI is when I noticed the slow trend that led to the group of people known as the invisibles.  Monica was being asked on twitter by fans why there was nothing of her, and I remember Sierra was called out last season for her lack of airtime.  Both had the same story, that they couldn't help it that nothing was shown but that they were there, playing, strategizing, socializing, having fun.  Kimmi isn't dynamic to any story line.  She was with Monica.  Right now she's in a comfortable spot with Jeremy's group.  In one of the bonus clips this week she even commented that voting off Wentworth was going with the easy vote, and why try to vote any other way.  That's probably her game.  She likely isn't ruffling feathers or having anyone get under her skin.  I don't know, in cases like these, if people purposely try and stay off the grid since they see what they can do with an edit and the backlash that can come with it.  And it makes me feel old to think some of the early seasons of Survivor were before the dawn of Myspace, let alone any other form of SM. 

 

Not that I'd ever want to see Dan Foley again, but curiosity has the better of me as to how he would come across in a second chance season.  Try to redeem himself no doubt, but would he just completely clam up and read the script or try to go out of his way to show a different side to him.  That said, it is kind of disappointing in even a returnee, fan voted season the edit is still so lopsided.

[ByaNose]

Yeah, that's why I always wonder if the person with the invisible is boring, had no game play or "production" just hated them. At least, with the luxury of bonus scenes you can see that are doing confessionals. I guess it still depends on the storyline of the winner, the alliances made and where you place. I can even be fooled by an edit. I was shocked when Vytas got voted out and they showed him a lot in the first episode. Granted, he was shown as creepy but he got airtime. It didn't even occur to me he would be voted out first.

[Tryangle]

Admittedly, this is new territory in more ways than one for Kimmi, but I think we need to hear more from her on the game side of things. We didn't get any of that from the other extremely old-schooler (Kelly), just wonder where Kimmi's head is, is she capable of scheming and getting into a strong position, or is she just locked into either a F3 "carry" or a throwaway vote-out within the next couple TCs?

 

Touching story about her son and well done on her for telling it.

[Sarahsmile416]

So, was Kimmi involved in the Kelly vote out? We see that she is in an alliance with Stephen in the next episode but in this episode when Kelly left she seemingly was more upset than Kelly was. Did she just vote against Stephen in that one vote? It just seems odd that in one second she is in the bro-liance and the next she seems tighter than tight with Stephen.

[Special K]

Not that I'd ever want to see Dan Foley again, but curiosity has the better of me as to how he would come across in a second chance season.

 

I feel certain that whatever Dan would try to do in a second showing, he would not be able to help himself and would come across as the same arrogant, ignorant, self-important, chauvinistic blowhard that he is.

 

Sorry to hijack the Kimmi thread, but that felt good. 

[fishcakes]

So, was Kimmi involved in the Kelly vote out? We see that she is in an alliance with Stephen in the next episode but in this episode when Kelly left she seemingly was more upset than Kelly was. Did she just vote against Stephen in that one vote? It just seems odd that in one second she is in the bro-liance and the next she seems tighter than tight with Stephen.

 

Kimmi didn't know. Stephen wanted to vote out Wiglesworth because he thought she was Joe's ally, and he convinced Jeremy and Spencer. Jeremy was hesitant because he knew that Tasha and Kimmi would feel blindsided, but he went along with it. Tasha seems to be weighing her options now as far as who she wants to lock down a final alliance with, but I think Kimmi is still in it with Jeremy, although it's hard to tell because she's getting a fairly invisible edit.

Edited November 27, 2015 by fishcakes

[Sarahsmile416]

Kimmi didn't know. Stephen wanted to vote out Wiglesworth because he thought she was Joe's ally, and he convinced Jeremy and Spencer. Jeremy was hesitant because he knew that Tasha and Kimmi would feel blindsided, but he went along with it. Tasha seems to be weighing her options now as far as who she wants to lock down a final alliance with, but I think Kimmi is still in it with Jeremy, although it's hard to tell because she's getting a fairly invisible edit.

I didn't think she knew but that's where I am getting confused because in the double episode we see and hear that Stephen is close to Kimmi. Is he close to Kimmi because she is close to Jeremy? I feel there has got to be something not being shown due to editing.