NFL Thread

[Calvada]

1 hour ago, mojoween said:

I am not, however, fond of the white helmets on Green Bay.  Those are an abomination.

Nothing is as bad as the Seattle uniforms.

[mojoween]

Au contraire!  I love the highlighters.

[meowmommy]

2 hours ago, Calvada said:

Nothing is as bad as the Seattle uniforms.

Both unis were pretty bad.  Eye-gouging Color Rush vs snow-blinding Albino Pack.

I’d say Big Blue shat the bed yet again but I’m fairly convinced they long since have had no shits to give.  I don’t believe they’ve ever had the overall #1 draft pick in the Super Bowl era.  Until now. Sigh.

[Carey]

7 minutes ago, meowmommy said:

Both unis were pretty bad.  Eye-gouging Color Rush vs snow-blinding Albino Pack.

I’d say Big Blue shat the bed yet again but I’m fairly convinced they long since have had no shits to give.  I don’t believe they’ve ever had the overall #1 draft pick in the Super Bowl era.  Until now. Sigh.

The season's not over yet.  Las Vegas still has to win a football game.  That's an interesting case there.

I guess I'm not totally against Seattle's uniforms to be honest.  In terms of outstanding when it comes to football, I'm more okay with those than adults playing on a blue-colored football field.

That being said, those uniforms don't really need to show up, period.  It's not 2345.  I do love neon & I definitely love green.  However, I think it is definitely too loud.  Didn't help that they sucked tonight

[roamyn]

This years MVP race is tight.  You've got three great potential candidates in Allen, Barkley & Goff.

This week Barkley & Allen did little to help their cause with average or below outings, while Goff (in a loss totally on the defense), had a he'll of a game.

I say Barkley wins OPoY and it's a toss between the other two.  I wouldn't be disappointed in either.

(If Cinci's defense was halfway decent, Joe would be running away w/MVP)

[twoods]

I don’t know how Allen had an average outing considering he had 4 total TDs and over 400 yards of offense. I call that more than average, and glad he’s on my team. 

[mojoween]

There are again two games on tonight at virtually the same time for some unknown reason, just FYI.

[meowmommy]

4 hours ago, roamyn said:

This years MVP race is tight.  You've got three great potential candidates in Allen, Barkley & Goff.

Crystal ball says it’s going back to Lamar.

[Carey]

11 minutes ago, meowmommy said:

4 hours ago, roamyn said:

This years MVP race is tight.  You've got three great potential candidates in Allen, Barkley & Goff.

Crystal ball says it’s going back to Lamar.

I was about to reply here with, "I doubt it."  Instead, I'll simply agree to disagree.

For an official response: We'll see. 

If it happens, while I'd debate it, Jackson winning a 3rd one would be fair enough.  The team is totally different without him.

As for the front-runners, I probably can't argue over Josh Allen winning it this time.  Might be the right call since he might not get there again.  However, if people end up livid that Allen got the nod over Barkley, I think I would definitely feel for them.  Not really (since it's just a game), but I actually would understand their gripe

[morriss]

Lions coach Dan Campbell sure makes some strange decisions. 🤔

[mojoween]

Watching the 30 for 30 “The New York Sack Exchange” makes me miss games played on dirt.  The players probably don’t want to do that again, especially in the cold, but it looks so much better.  Filthy unis are football.

Yes, I understand that I now sound like the oldest person in the world.

[bluegirl147]

58 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Watching the 30 for 30 “The New York Sack Exchange” makes me miss games played on dirt.  The players probably don’t want to do that again, especially in the cold, but it looks so much better.  Filthy unis are football.

I watched the Thursday night game between SF and LA Rams and yesterday the game in Cleveland and both those fields looked awful. They showed some close ups and both looked like high school fields after a rivalry game.

[Kip Hackman]

22 hours ago, Carey said:

Until recently, it looked as if a football game in Carolina would be a nightmare for the team that plays there, but I'm not so sure anymore

It's mostly a nightmare for the fans who live here.

[mojoween]

Also, Mark Gastineau to this day is a giant baby.  Wow the entitlement on that guy!  I mean, fuck Brett Favre in general, but Mark seriously dressing Brett down for laying down for Michael Strahan was uncomfortable for all involved.  Get over yourself.

Marty Lyons seemed wicked cool, though.

[blueray]

8 hours ago, morriss said:

Lions coach Dan Campbell sure makes some strange decisions. 🤔

Declaimer I am a Bill's fan so I was glad about this. But I was confused when they decided to do an outside kick right at the start of the fourth quarter. I mean it was great, they basically just gave us a touchdown. But it was a weird call for that point in the game, when they were only behind by 10 points.

[Carey]

16 minutes ago, blueray said:

8 hours ago, morriss said:

Lions coach Dan Campbell sure makes some strange decisions. 🤔

Declaimer I am a Bill's fan so I was glad about this. But I was confused when they decided to do an outside kick right at the start of the fourth quarter. I mean it was great, they basically just gave us a touchdown. But it was a weird call for that point in the game, when they were only behind by 10 points.

The reason was due to the fact that they "no longer have a defense" as over a dozen players are on IR.  They cannot stop anybody.  Sucks that they'll go from getting a week off after Week 18 to going on the road somewhere.  Probably the winner of the NFC West or the NFC South.  For what it's worth, Dan Campbell would've onside kicked throughout the entire game if the league hadn't changed the rules.

Speaking of the onside kick: for those that know the answer or the rule, I had a question about it.  After having to declare to the refs/other team the intent to kick an onside kick starting in the 4th quarter, couldn't someone trick the opponent and kick it deep?

I think without seeing the answer, I came to the conclusion of "NO" being the answer.  I think it has to go at least 10 yards, but there's a limit to how far it can go before it's outside of a zone.  Otherwise, I'd kick it deep & hope I can run past the receiving team before recovering the faux onside kick

[stonehaven]

The Bears and the Vikings are on MNF tonight. I would love to watch but my toleration of the insufferalble team of Buck/Aikman PLUS new episodes of NCIS and Origins makew it a highlight reel kind of game.

Let me reiterate how awesome it has been to NOT have to endure Joe Buck on a weekly basis. Tony Romo is annoying but he hasn't reached the point of making my ears bleed yet...

[Lamb18]

I have to say THANK YOU to the Bills for beating Detroit.  

However being Wild Card #1 wouldn't be that bad. We would play #1 West or South for the first game.

[Carey]

It probably will not be too bad if anyone other than Los Angeles wins the NFC West.  Your team will be fine as long as Atlanta can regain the NFC South Top spot.  Otherwise, just win out

[Calvada]

9 hours ago, mojoween said:

Also, Mark Gastineau to this day is a giant baby.  Wow the entitlement on that guy!  I mean, fuck Brett Favre in general, but Mark seriously dressing Brett down for laying down for Michael Strahan was uncomfortable for all involved.  Get over yourself.

Marty Lyons seemed wicked cool, though.

The Packers' offensive line had kept Strahan away from Favre all game, obviously it was a matter of pride to them, and then good ol' Brett gifted him that sack.  I remember linemen being interviewed after the game and saying things like "it is what it is," but it was obvious they were not happy with what Favre did. 

Something I always remember is that the Packers weren't supposed to play the Giants in the final regular season game.  That was supposed to be a Week 2 game, all of which got postponed due to the September 11 attacks.  If that hadn't happened, the Giants would have finished at Philadelphia.  If all things had been equal, I doubt the Eagles would have gifted Strahan as Favre did.  They would have made Strahan earn the record.  

[mojoween]

The Pack line may have been holding strong all game, but in that play, Strahan was virtually unblocked which is why Favre was backpedaling.  So they were either all in on it, or things unfolded in one play.  Favre lay down, but he was going down anyways.

Jonathan Taylor may have done something super duper stupid, but the Colts were leading at the time and then gave up 24 unanswered to Denver.  So Taylor’s dumb fumble was a blip in an ongoing disaster for Indy.

[Carey]

Jonathan Taylor's dumb fumble was far from a mistake: It was a thing of beauty.  Total Karma, and to be honest, it resulted in a huge grin on the face.  Thanks, Jonathan!

Though it was surprising I'll admit as he should know better.  Not really that young of a guy and didn't seem to have an ego.  I guess I was wrong.  However, that was not an error, that was a decision he chose to make.

Speaking of decisions, to follow up on the MVP race brought up by roamyn on Monday, I think I probably would have to agree that Barkley gets the OPOY.  Then it's Allen for the MVP.  It's probably not going to be Goff unless Detroit can win (out) with him being a big reason for the victory.

At the same time I'd have to disagree too because Saquon could get the outright record.  If so it needs to be him IMO.  To be fair, Philadelphia won games against several teams (Baltimore & the Rams) in the same exact venues that the Ravens and LA played in when those teams won over Buffalo.  FWIW, AP did not break the record a dozen years ago when he won the award.

I'm not going to be mad at all if Josh Allen still wins it.  It would be vexatious if he gets 90-100% of the votes amid Barkley getting 90-100% for OPOY if he is the new record holder.  However, it's super obvious that Buffalo isn't going anywhere without Josh Allen.  Philadelphia is a super bowl team sans Barkley.  I'd reason with those that would be saddened that it's not Saquon Barkley, but not lose sleep over it.

[merylinkid]

18 hours ago, Carey said:

After having to declare to the refs/other team the intent to kick an onside kick starting in the 4th quarter, couldn't someone trick the opponent and kick it deep?

The answer is No.   Once declared, you MUST onside kick.   You can't do a fake out.   The whole point was to get rid of fake outs to avoid injuries on kick offs.   

Speaking of fake outs -- sometimes Dan Campbell gets too cute and it bites him in the ass.   Like last year when he tried to hide who was the reporting eligible player.   The ref didn't realize it and they got penalized.   Same with the onside kick at the start of the 4th quarter.   Dan going "I'm going to do something they don't expect and is outrageous because that's how you win" actually failed this time.   Going it for in on 4th and short - sure.   Just going with a trick play for the sake of always be doing something unexpected - No.   

[Bastet]

On 12/15/2024 at 6:32 PM, Calvada said:

Nothing is as bad as the Seattle uniforms.

Seriously; I don't know how anyone can even see what the other team is wearing after being blinded by those monstrosities.

[mojoween]

In the era of the salary cap, never in my life have I seen such a greater disparity between the haves and the have-nots.

Also the quarterback carousel brings another wrinkle.

Cousins, benched.

Winston, benched.

Levis, benched.

Jones, shipped out.

Richardson, benched.  No, starting.  No, benched.  No wait, starting again.

Young, would be benched if Andy Dalton hadn’t had a car accident.

[Carey]

You forgot Justin Fields (unless you actually didn't)

[roamyn]

2 hours ago, mojoween said:

Also the quarterback carousel brings another wrinkle.

Cousins, benched

Did Cousins get benched?

[Carey]

Thanks merylinkid.  Sometimes I'm saddened by the fact that the glory of the onside kick has been done away with.  For the most part, it's a first world problem.  Sure it was great to see Sean Payton get there against Indianapolis in Super Bowl 44.  It was nice to see Pete Carroll attempt one in overtime.  It's not really a big deal.  It didn't have a high percentage of success anyway.  If someone needs several onside kicks to win a game, I guess you don't deserve to win the game.

Man, if Dan Campbell coached the way he does during the Brady/Belichick era, he could do something super clever that would work.  The problem is a smart coach (Bill, Andy Reid, McVay etc) would prepare for anything to where some trick would totally fail.  Great guy, love the risk taking mentality, but it's super known so he might want to adjust since nobody is going to be surprised by it.

 

On a totally different note (and a totally different Campbell), Campbell's time in San Francisco is officially over.  In what I hoped would be the action taken by the 49ers!

No NBA mentalities here; can't quit on your team, buddy!

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, roamyn said:

Did Cousins get benched?

Yes. Penix was named starter earlier today. 

[roamyn]

57 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Yes. Penix was named starter earlier today. 

Damn.  I need the Bucs to win the division.  They have better chance of that w/Cousins as the ATL QB. (Even tho the refs gave the Falcons the first game they played each other).

[Carey]

To be fair, I think Todd Bowles needs the Bucs to win the division more than anyone.  However, I think he's safe so as long as they don't end up with a losing record.  Which would actually shock me.

Not a total lock toward the division, but I think even if they fail to win the NFC South, they should get into the playoffs.  The only legit test left for Tampa Bay is a road game against Dallas.  Say what you will, but they've been a little better than before.  Keep in mind that Washington still has a playoff spot to obtain.  They probably can't pack it in if they don't survive against Philadelphia.  A second consecutive loss to Atlanta helps the latter but it would also benefit the Bucs.

At the end of the day, Baker and company should be fine for the playoffs.  While losing to the Cowboys is far from popular, just do not lose to the anybody else.  After all, Tampa is the one team the Eagles do not want to see.  I think Philly might be more worried about the NFC South champions than Detroit is of the soon-to-be eventual NFC East champions.

[Black Knight]

On 12/17/2024 at 2:46 AM, mojoween said:

The Pack line may have been holding strong all game, but in that play, Strahan was virtually unblocked which is why Favre was backpedaling.  So they were either all in on it, or things unfolded in one play.  Favre lay down, but he was going down anyways.

Strahan was unblocked because Favre called a play where the protections weren't right for what the defense was doing. That's the issue more than his laying down, which as you said was going to happen anyway. I always thought Favre did that because he expected that he was going to get sacked at some point in the game and he wanted it said that he "gave" it to Strahan. And he got what he wanted. A typical unclassy move on his part, but Favre has always been a dude with no class, and ultimately no ethics.

[bluegirl147]

35 minutes ago, Black Knight said:

A typical unclassy move on his part, but Favre has always been a dude with no class, and ultimately no ethics.

I remember when he finally retired and he did.....nothing.  Usually retired players go into broadcasting or coaching. He did analyzing for one college game and one pregame of a SB. I thought to myself everyone must think he is an asshole like I do.  When the welfare scandal broke a few years ago I was not surprised in the least.

[Chit Chat]

6 hours ago, Carey said:

At the end of the day, Baker and company should be fine for the playoffs. 

Take it back!  Take it back!  Please don't jinx us!  😁 

[shoregirl]

11 hours ago, Carey said:

 After all, Tampa is the one team the Eagles do not want to see.  I think Philly might be more worried about the NFC South champions than Detroit is of the soon-to-be eventual NFC East champions.

To be fair The Eagles were missing a ton of players in that game. Including AJ Brown ,  Devanta Smith , Lane Johnson,  . I don't know many teams that can win without their WR1 WR2 and one their best offensive line players

 I'm not taking  anything away from Tampa I'm just saying they would be playing a completely different Eagles team now.

Edited Thursday at 12:08 AM by shoregirl

[mojoween]

It’s amazing that Aaron Rodgers has enough mental acuity to remember the plays in the playbook, since his victimhood takes up all the space in there.

[Fukui San]

Earlier this season he remembered and was able to relate in very exacting detail how his wide receiver screwed up the route and therefore he was not at fault for the game sealing interception.

[kathyk2]

6 hours ago, mojoween said:

It’s amazing that Aaron Rodgers has enough mental acuity to remember the plays in the playbook, since his victimhood takes up all the space in there.

Did you see the video on Twitter where Ryan Clark went off on Aaron Rodgers? He went after Ryan for being vaccinated and Ryan responded.

[Carey]

I'm not going to lie to you, I'd rather talk about the Kansas City Chiefs winning 3 (or 4 or 5) consecutive Lombardi Trophies than spending another second talking about Aaron Rodgers, period.  In talk, I definitely mean non-stop Super Bowl talk with the champs.

If the sports media wants to show the greatness A-Rod once showed in Green Bay so be it.  However, with the two options being a world where No 12 never existed VERSUS a world where Kansas City wins the title and nobody else, I'll be signing up for the latter.  Speaking for myself, and you can throw in 12 seconds about the New England Patriots and their 20 years of winning.

[mojoween]

If we are changing history, then the refs make the correct Tuck Rule call, and the next 20 years would be very different.

[Magog]

Quote

I'm not going to lie to you, I'd rather talk about the Kansas City Chiefs winning 3 (or 4 or 5) consecutive Lombardi Trophies than spending another second talking about Aaron Rodgers, period.  In talk, I definitely mean non-stop Super Bowl talk with the champs.

If the sports media wants to show the greatness A-Rod once showed in Green Bay so be it.  However, with the two options being a world where No 12 never existed VERSUS a world where Kansas City wins the title and nobody else, I'll be signing up for the latter.  Speaking for myself, and you can throw in 12 seconds about the New England Patriots and their 20 years of winning.

It will be even better if we could apply this type of logic about Aaron Rodgers towards that idiot Jerry Jones, his very stupid son Stephen Jones, & the Dallas Cowboys. Granted with that, we will have to find someone else to hate like the Cowboys. But, it'll be pretty easy figuring that part out.

As for tonight's game between the Broncos - Chargers, Meh....

 

Edited Thursday at 08:00 PM by Magog

[mojoween]

It’s actually a pretty important game between two teams that just don’t move the national needle.

If you stood in front of me and said you have to tell me the name of the Denver Broncos quarterback or I will steal your new cat … well sorry Cooper it was nice adopting you but you are no longer mine.

Edited Thursday at 08:03 PM by mojoween

[Carey]

Gotta defend Denver & Los Angeles.

I'll be brief: Walton & Spanos aren't going ALL-IN judging players based on said players MADDEN ratings!

[baldryanr]

So, what type of stats would a WR need to be the MVP?  2000+ yards, 25 TDs?  Plus every QB would have to be mediocre or miss significant time due to injury. 

[Carey]

Probably not ideal for whoever the AFC North runner up is, but LA overcomes their beatdown (from the Bucs) by winning in an epic way (including a 57 yard free kick for points).  Denver goes the opposite direction as a result; both teams are 9-6, and they could win out.  I just refrained from saying should since Cincinnati could win out.  The Bengals chances are on life support, but the Broncos, who they host one week from Saturday, are the only team they can surpass if they want to play decent January football.

ETA: The Bengals also need both Miami & Indianapolis to lose out so it's over for them.  However, the chances of the AFC North second place team dropping all the way to the 7th spot is actually a possibility

Edited Friday at 04:43 AM by Carey
It's not if; it's when for Cincinnati

[Fukui San]

4 hours ago, baldryanr said:

So, what type of stats would a WR need to be the MVP?  2000+ yards, 25 TDs?  Plus every QB would have to be mediocre or miss significant time due to injury. 

Especially the one throwing him the ball. 

[Carey]

With the league trending back to an era where the run game is actually a good thing, you'd have to account for a running back as well.

So in addition to the mentioned stuff about an MVP wide receiver, it's not going to happen if an RB puts in half of the effort people like Barkley, Derrick Henry, AP, C.M.C  and others have put in.

[Fukui San]

On 12/18/2024 at 10:53 AM, bluegirl147 said:

I remember when he finally retired and he did.....nothing.  Usually retired players go into broadcasting or coaching. He did analyzing for one college game and one pregame of a SB. I thought to myself everyone must think he is an asshole like I do.  When the welfare scandal broke a few years ago I was not surprised in the least.

If the stories about him are true he’s dumb as shit (Favre). A backup quarterback to him told the story of him being pulled aside many years into Favre’s career. Favre asked “Hey, when coach talks about nickel defenses and dime defenses what does that mean?”  It apparently wasn’t a bit, he genuinely didn’t know. That he played so well while being so dumb is a testament to something. 

[Carey]

I'm not making any excuses for Pittsburgh, but the structure of their schedule being completely a schedule from hell is a fact, period.  Maybe not, but the world will end before someone comes up with any of the other 31 teams that have it worse.

Plus, it could mean that Baltimore is in the same or similar spot Tampa Bay was in 4 years ago.  Something I noticed & focused on for more than a minute back in August

[Crashcourse]

Well, the Ravens sure pulled a NIMBY on the Steelers.