Rightside April 10, 2023 Share April 10, 2023 I did enjoy this episode of her new season! The recipes were good and the food looked fantastic. She was great and seemed so relaxed! Of course, she had to mention Wolfie but it was short and a quick picture with Eddie. It didn't bug me like she did last season with the never ending Eddie talk. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7952555
Yogisbooboo64 April 11, 2023 Share April 11, 2023 I didn't see all of the eppy but the fish looked good and that cake? I'ma have to watch from the beginning, 'cause I was whimpering at the screen. OMG did that cake look delicious!! I'm annoyed with her cancellation....shit, we've had other FN scandals (Hello, Bobby, Ree and Guy!) but they are still on the air. Like her or not (I'm one of the 'likes', don't judge me!), her recipes were easy to do and she won 2 Emmys FFS. Until Trisha Yearwood's show comes back on, I'm through with FN....I mean, GUY NETWORK! (Stomps off) 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7955005
chessiegal April 11, 2023 Share April 11, 2023 I didn't see anywhere she was cancelled because of a scandal. I assumed it was because of ratings or the network was tired of dealing with an unstable employee. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7955046
Yeah No April 12, 2023 Share April 12, 2023 6 hours ago, chessiegal said: I didn't see anywhere she was cancelled because of a scandal. I assumed it was because of ratings or the network was tired of dealing with an unstable employee. With all the other recent cancellations happening as a result of the Time/Warner-Discovery merger it wouldn't take a scandal to get cancelled. A whole lot of other shows have been either cancelled or shelved as a result of this merger as they seek to cut their budgets. But in the process they are cancelling too many of my personal favorite shows. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if her recent behavior on social media had something to do with it. Also she may have known about the impending cancellation well before she said anything about it and figured she could say what she wanted on social media and elsewhere. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7955408
chediavolo April 12, 2023 Share April 12, 2023 11 hours ago, chessiegal said: I didn't see anywhere she was cancelled because of a scandal. I assumed it was because of ratings or the network was tired of dealing with an unstable employee. Can’t imagine them dealing with her every day. What a drama queen Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7955499
Chit Chat April 16, 2023 Share April 16, 2023 On 4/10/2023 at 7:56 AM, Rightside said: I did enjoy this episode of her new season! The recipes were good and the food looked fantastic. I enjoy watching cooking shows more than I enjoy actually trying out the recipes!! I just saw a rerun of Valerie's show where everything she cooked involved lemons. Actress Melissa Peterman was the show. The lemon cake looked good. She used a lot of lemon zest in her recipes. I've tried doing that in the past, but whatever it was I made was bitter from the zest. Is that normal, or did I do something wrong? I never tried zesting again. I don't recall over-zesting though. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7961424
Gam2 April 16, 2023 Share April 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, ChitChat said: I enjoy watching cooking shows more than I enjoy actually trying out the recipes!! I just saw a rerun of Valerie's show where everything she cooked involved lemons. Actress Melissa Peterman was the show. The lemon cake looked good. She used a lot of lemon zest in her recipes. I've tried doing that in the past, but whatever it was I made was bitter from the zest. Is that normal, or did I do something wrong? I never tried zesting again. I don't recall over-zesting though. Lemon zest adds a lot of flavor but you have to be very careful to only get the yellow part. If you zest down to the white part, you’ve gone too deep. White part is bitter. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7961435
andidante April 16, 2023 Share April 16, 2023 I am not a big lemon fan at all, but the stuff she makes with lemon usually looks really good! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7961539
cynicat April 17, 2023 Share April 17, 2023 I'm enjoying this season and now am sad it's been cancelled. She stopped with the annoying guests, and seems to be focusing only on cooking. An occasional mention of Ed and Wolfie is enough, and she doesn't dwell anymore. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7962956
Yogisbooboo64 May 1, 2023 Share May 1, 2023 I'ma kill you, Valerie! She made this yummy looking cod dish and I tried it last week...she kept going about how cod needed to really be seasoned, so my dumbass went a lil bit heavy with the salt. Good thing I didn't add olives, 'cause chillllle?! While the dish was good, a few parts of it was salty af. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-7983019
orangekit May 14, 2023 Share May 14, 2023 More unnecessary Eddie talk today ! she was cooking to fill up Wolfie’a fridge and wearing the T shirt for his band . She truly seems like a narcissistic, entitled woman . You would think Eddie was her husband when he died. So ridiculous. i have a feeling the problems with her ex were not all his fault . I like her recipes , but does Wolfie need fatty cookies and other recipes that are so heavy ? She acts like his 5 years old Is she stuck back in time and reliving the 80’s ? I can’t imagine being her son’s fiancée ! Oh and she doesn’t have to put baking instructions on the ziti she’s leaving for Wolfie because she’s going to go over and bake it for him ! He can’t put a pan in the oven ? 1 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8000710
Yeah No May 15, 2023 Share May 15, 2023 6 hours ago, orangekit said: Is she stuck back in time and reliving the 80’s ? I can’t imagine being her son’s fiancée ! It's just unbelievable, isn't it? When she went to the studio that guy Matt told her that Wolfie was "the best thing she ever did". Wow, like forget about her career or anything else she ever did, the most significant achievement she ever accomplished was having a child - not to diminish motherhood because it's one tough job, but come on, it's like THE only accomplishment she gushes about to excess and now this guy has to jump on that train with her? I'm sure it was based on his genuine admiration for Wolfie but once again it only feeds into her obsession with her son and ex. Also when she said she got married in 1981 I was thinking how old could she have possibly been? I'm a year and a half older than her and when I got married in 1980 I was only 21 and even back then people thought that was kind of young. Yikes.... Also, she promised us a tour of the studio and all we saw was that one room which wasn't the studio itself. I also thought we were going to see a sit down dinner with her son and the recording crew being served the food, not just thrown into an ancient refrigerator! 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8001380
chediavolo May 15, 2023 Share May 15, 2023 16 hours ago, orangekit said: More unnecessary Eddie talk today ! she was cooking to fill up Wolfie’a fridge and wearing the T shirt for his band . She truly seems like a narcissistic, entitled woman . You would think Eddie was her husband when he died. So ridiculous. i have a feeling the problems with her ex were not all his fault . I like her recipes , but does Wolfie need fatty cookies and other recipes that are so heavy ? She acts like his 5 years old Is she stuck back in time and reliving the 80’s ? I can’t imagine being her son’s fiancée ! Oh and she doesn’t have to put baking instructions on the ziti she’s leaving for Wolfie because she’s going to go over and bake it for him ! He can’t put a pan in the oven ? Amen! 😻 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8001843
Rightside May 16, 2023 Share May 16, 2023 On 5/14/2023 at 2:50 PM, orangekit said: You would think Eddie was her husband when he died. In her mind, he WAS her husband when he died. She can't accept that he wasn't. Just when I thought she wasn't talking Eddie and Wolfie again this season, she picked up right where she left off last season. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8003266
chediavolo May 16, 2023 Share May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Rightside said: In her mind, he WAS her husband when he died. She can't accept that he wasn't. Just when I thought she wasn't talking Eddie and Wolfie again this season, she picked up right where she left off last season. She needs help. Seriously. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8003407
andidante May 16, 2023 Share May 16, 2023 She has said she is in therapy, but I don't think it's helping. Maybe she needs a new therapist, LOL 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8003929
orangekit May 16, 2023 Share May 16, 2023 Rich celebrities find enabling therapists who don’t want to piss them off ! They pay a lot of money for therapy , so I’m sure some therapists don’t want to use the money , so they kiss the celebrity’s butt instead of confronting them when they are doing something unhealthy . Also , Valerie seems to cut anyone off who dares challenge her ! She argues with posters and plates victim . I’m sure she’d fire any therapist who didn’t kiss her butt ! 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8003954
andidante May 17, 2023 Share May 17, 2023 Oh yes she blocked me from her Instagram and all I did was like someone's post who told her to get over herself, LOL 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8004205
Yeah No May 17, 2023 Share May 17, 2023 6 hours ago, orangekit said: Also , Valerie seems to cut anyone off who dares challenge her ! She argues with posters and plates victim . I’m sure she’d fire any therapist who didn’t kiss her butt ! That guy Matt at the recording studio was another one of those working for her and obviously so far up her butt he can't see out! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8004370
Gam2 May 17, 2023 Share May 17, 2023 Did y’all notice that she asked Matt how long he worked “for” Ed, not how long he worked “with” Ed? Snobby. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8004674
HyeChaps June 11, 2023 Share June 11, 2023 Candy for dessert two weeks in a row! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8038613
Gramto6 June 11, 2023 Share June 11, 2023 Lots of mentions of Ed and a few of Wolfie. Give it up Valerie!! Please! 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8038614
buttersister June 11, 2023 Share June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Gramto6 said: Give it up, Valerie!! I'm afraid it's easier to give up Valerie. 2 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8038674
Fostersmom June 11, 2023 Share June 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Gramto6 said: Lots of mentions of Ed and a few of Wolfie. Give it up Valerie!! Please! Well last week we got mentions of both and Mrs. Van Halen (Ed's mom, not his actual wife) plus pics, so I guess this week's an improvement? Maybe? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8038736
Gramto6 June 11, 2023 Share June 11, 2023 Just now, Fostersmom said: Well last week we got mentions of both and Mrs. Van Halen (Ed's mom, not his actual wife) plus pics, so I guess this week's an improvement? Maybe? Maybe... How many more episodes of this are left? Anyone know? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8038741
goldenpuppy June 12, 2023 Share June 12, 2023 She really is acting like she wee just married to Eddie! So cringeworthy! Along with her social media victim videos about how she was treated horribly , she is also posting pictures of Eddie and his parents with Wolfie when he was young . I like her recipes and she can be a good personality , but she’s obviously so narcissistic and mentally unstable that she can’t even how inappropriate she is. Makes me wonder if her show was cancelled for other reasons besides ratings . Her fighting with posters while using obscenities on Twitter and hee crying sessions on Today probably didn’t help her brand . And who knows how she acts on the set? 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8039583
andidante June 12, 2023 Share June 12, 2023 10 hours ago, goldenpuppy said: I like her recipes and she can be a good personality , but she’s obviously so narcissistic and mentally unstable that she can’t even how inappropriate she is. Makes me wonder if her show was cancelled for other reasons besides ratings . Her fighting with posters while using obscenities on Twitter and hee crying sessions on Today probably didn’t help her brand . And who knows how she acts on the set? I used to really like her too! Maybe Food Network started seeing her as a liability and figured they better cut her loose. I hope she is better on the Kids Baking Championship! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8039810
Gramto6 June 12, 2023 Share June 12, 2023 54 minutes ago, andidante said: I used to really like her too! Maybe Food Network started seeing her as a liability and figured they better cut her loose. I hope she is better on the Kids Baking Championship! She is definitely better on the Kids Baking Championship. She is like a totally different person, happy, nice and sweet with the kids. It isn't about her, but the kids so I think she has to stifle her craziness there. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8039859
cynicat June 13, 2023 Share June 13, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 10:48 PM, goldenpuppy said: I like her recipes and she can be a good personality , but she’s obviously so narcissistic and mentally unstable that she can’t even how inappropriate she is I am not bothered by the Eddie talk, because as a Van Halen fan I find it kind of interesting. Her recipes are usually good but I have to draw my line at deep fried devilled eggs. I mean, that's right up there with deep fried butter. Yuk. (YMMV) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8040960
chediavolo June 13, 2023 Share June 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, cynicat said: I am not bothered by the Eddie talk, because as a Van Halen fan I find it kind of interesting. Her recipes are usually good but I have to draw my line at deep fried devilled eggs. I mean, that's right up there with deep fried butter. Yuk. (YMMV) No wonder she is now obese. Many of these recipes are deadly. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8040968
Yeah No June 14, 2023 Share June 14, 2023 On 6/13/2023 at 6:22 AM, chediavolo said: No wonder she is now obese. Many of these recipes are deadly. On the previous episode I felt like she was going overboard to "celebrate" indulging in her favorite fattening foods. She is still "spiting" the ex by gloating that she can eat whatever she damn well pleases, I'm sure. Meanwhile she's really just cutting off her nose to spite her face. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8041952
buttersister June 14, 2023 Share June 14, 2023 You know, Ina puts a stick of butter and real cream into many of her recipes. She's not a stick woman, but appears healthy, non-apologetic and more power to her (those thing have been put on my no-fly list). Somehow, I don't get the impression that she's doing anything but creating rich, tasty food. Otoh, Valerie's glee in indulgence, when she doesn't appear all that healthy looking, and seems steeped in underlying anger, is not a temptation to do anything but change the channel. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8042107
chick binewski June 28, 2023 Share June 28, 2023 (edited) On 6/14/2023 at 12:05 PM, buttersister said: You know, Ina puts a stick of butter and real cream into many of her recipes. She's not a stick woman, but appears healthy, non-apologetic and more power to her (those thing have been put on my no-fly list). Somehow, I don't get the impression that she's doing anything but creating rich, tasty food. Otoh, Valerie's glee in indulgence, when she doesn't appear all that healthy looking, and seems steeped in underlying anger, is not a temptation to do anything but change the channel. I think many of the FN personalities who didn't have a career as a chef fall into this trap. The professionals can develop a lot of different recipes with few ingredients. Michael Symon will make a main and side or dessert and a cocktail and everything fits on the small outdoor table. Meanwhile Valerie and Molly Yeh are making gimmick-y food with candy bars. On 6/11/2023 at 3:42 PM, Gramto6 said: Maybe... How many more episodes of this are left? Anyone know? I think next week is the final episode. A tribute to Betty White. She's making Red Licorice Stuffed Cupcakes. 🙁 Edited June 28, 2023 by chick binewski 1 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8057137
Gramto6 June 28, 2023 Share June 28, 2023 @chick binewski I love Michael Symon! He is so cool calm and collected. FN really under uses him IMO. His food always looks wonderful and he really teaches you how to cook it. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8057148
buttersister June 28, 2023 Share June 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, chick binewski said: A tribute to Betty White. Didn't she do that last season? Quote Valerie and Molly Yeh are making gimmick-y food with candy bars. True dat. But Molly is a restauranteur now (likely some of those dishes are on her menu;-), previously was a long-time food blogger recipe developer and cookbook author. Valerie is struggling through a second act, a former actress turned to food entertainment, in need of therapy. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8057149
chediavolo June 28, 2023 Share June 28, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, chick binewski said: I think many of the FN personalities who didn't have a career as a chef fall into this trap. The professionals can develop a lot of different recipes with few ingredients. Michael Symon will make a main and side or dessert and a cocktail and everything fits on the small outdoor table. Meanwhile Valerie and Molly Yeh are making gimmick-y food with candy bars. I think next week is the final episode. A tribute to Betty White. She's making Red Licorice Stuffed Cupcakes. 🙁 🤮Grow up Valerie. Edited June 28, 2023 by chediavolo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8057426
cynicat July 2, 2023 Share July 2, 2023 I thought the tribute to Betty White was sweet, and not sappy. I enjoyed hearing her stories about Betty, and learning that what everyone says about how kind she was to be 110% true. And by the way, those salmon rolls looked yummy. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8061520
Gramto6 July 2, 2023 Share July 2, 2023 (edited) Agree it was sweet. And yes the salmon rolls looked great. I need to grocery shop for the rice paper rolls, but I am going to try them. Now the red licorice cupcakes, not so sure about them... I love red licorice but I'd never melt it and put it in cupcakes...just sayin'. Edited July 2, 2023 by Gramto6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8061622
Yogisbooboo64 July 3, 2023 Share July 3, 2023 Sighs....I'ma miss the show. Along with her realness and being a foodie, it felt like cooking with a friend. How fitting to start and end the series with Betty White. Hope she gets another show soon, maybe on the Cooking Channel. 6 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8061946
chick binewski July 7, 2023 Share July 7, 2023 On 6/27/2023 at 9:02 PM, Gramto6 said: @chick binewski I love Michael Symon! He is so cool calm and collected. FN really under uses him IMO. His food always looks wonderful and he really teaches you how to cook it. Hands down the best thing to come out of the pandemic was his FB show, which I believe was the origin of Symon's Dinners Cooking Out. And he is an excellent teacher which is rare. I don't know why the show doesn't have it's own thread bc it's really great. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8066744
chediavolo August 3, 2023 Share August 3, 2023 OMG! Now she is in one of her sons music videos. I guess he is an enabler. Look it up & read the lyrics. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8095485
HyeChaps August 3, 2023 Share August 3, 2023 They were both (along with his fiancée) on Today this morning. He plays on the Barbie soundtrack! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8095786
andidante August 3, 2023 Share August 3, 2023 His new album just released I think. I wonder when/if they are getting married? I heard he was on the Barbie Soundtrack but I forget what song. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8096261
andidante October 16, 2023 Share October 16, 2023 I guess Wolfie got married this weekend. His wife looked beautiful, her dress was stunning! I wish Valerie hadn't blocked me so I could see the pictures, LOL Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8178193
cameron October 17, 2023 Share October 17, 2023 17 hours ago, andidante said: I guess Wolfie got married this weekend. His wife looked beautiful, her dress was stunning! I wish Valerie hadn't blocked me so I could see the pictures, LOL While the bride did look great, the groom is a picture of a walking heart attack. He really needs to lose weight. Terribly unhealthy. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8178931
chessiegal October 17, 2023 Share October 17, 2023 17 hours ago, andidante said: I guess Wolfie got married this weekend. His wife looked beautiful, her dress was stunning! I wish Valerie hadn't blocked me so I could see the pictures, LOL I doubt People Magazine will block you. Wolfgang Van Halen wedding 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8178936
Angeltoes October 17, 2023 Share October 17, 2023 Wow, Wolf is a combo of both his parents but more so his mother. It sounds like a lovely and fun wedding. I wish much happiness for them. Valerie will go bananas when their first kid is on the way. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8179182
andidante October 17, 2023 Share October 17, 2023 6 hours ago, cameron said: While the bride did look great, the groom is a picture of a walking heart attack. He really needs to lose weight. Terribly unhealthy. Yes he is so overweight. I worry about him. 6 hours ago, chessiegal said: I doubt People Magazine will block you. Wolfgang Van Halen wedding Thank you! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8179205
chediavolo October 19, 2023 Share October 19, 2023 (edited) On 10/17/2023 at 6:44 PM, andidante said: Yes he is so overweight. I worry about him. Thank you! He looks even heavier than I thought he was I feel for him too. He better get his act together soon or he’s going to have a hard time making it to 50. Valerie buy your son a personal chef for his wedding gift. Edited October 19, 2023 by chediavolo 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8181058
cynicat February 6 Share February 6 It looks like Valerie is completely off FN, including the Kid's Baking thing. Inside Valerie Bertinelli’s Exit From Food Network’s ‘Kids Baking Championship’ 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/30689-valeries-home-cooking-general-discussion/page/13/#findComment-8279540
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