S07.E15: Don't Be All, Like, Uncool

[breezy424]

So there is a possibility that one of the guys was taken a second bite of the Countess' apple?

 

I think the bigger point to be made here is not if someone would behave the same way as Heather given the circumstances - it goes to if Heather's behavior crossed another's personal space and to me both the guilty and the innocent had their space violated.  I liken it to stupid Porsha Williams and the legions of fans and RHs who claimed that she was entitled to bash Kenya and drag her around by her hair because she was provoked.  In Porsha's case-battery is still against the law-even if some calls you a dumb ho through a bullhorn.  Her reaction was an overreaction and unlawful.  I say things like push Ramona off the yacht (which is both an overreaction and really, really illegal) but in reality if faced with some of these hurdles these women face most people, me being one, would probably want to control out emotions as their would be others around who would not see things as I perceived and would think I was off base to react the way I did.  Maybe it is viewers' mentality -easy to make the statements about people on TV but most likely would not behave that way in person.

 

I will never consider these shows to be showcase for manners or honoring others rights and feelings but it doesn't mean I won't watch or comment.  Further, none of these women are role models, to me for younger women.  Even a highly successful woman like Heather -all it took was a few MFs and hashtags and she is off the role model list.

 

 

Anyone up for a bet that Ramona (a) claims she thought Sonja, LuAnna or Dorinda showed him out, or (b) she showed him out d then went to bed and he came back in © she fell asleep and had no idea where he was (d) she was so upset and drunk she doesn't remember (e) she thought she was with John from the restaurant and all the women already knew him so it was okay for him to be in the bed..

 

I am welcoming other excuses.

I haven't watched RHOA in years so I can't comment on that.  I do think in this instance, I personally would have felt that if these women had no consideration for 'my' personal space why should I have concern for theirs.  And Lu's response that the naked man sleeping in their suite was no big deal makes her a hypocrite since she declared that Heather and Carole walking into her room unannounced was invading her privacy.  

 

I'm sure Ro is going to come up with some lame excuse and then probably 'apologize'.

 

None of the housewives would be my first choice for a role model but I do credit to the successful ones.  Has Heather said motherfucker more than once - the incident with Aviva?

[zoeysmom]

Ramona could screw with all of us and say, "I tried to tell Dorinda, Carole, Kristen and Heather but their doors were locked and because I always put others first,  I locked the bathroom door so he could not get in and went to sleep."  We all know how thoughtful Ramona can be (in her own mind).

[motorcitymom65]

Heather had her eyes assaulted by looking at the naked juice man. She did not want to see a naked man and yet it was forced upon her by thoughtless people. Honestly, her reaction was one ofthe most real things on the show this season. Not the crocodile tears by Ramona and Bethany or the drunken antics of Dorinda or the faux outrage from LuAnn. She was much kinder than I would've been.

When she started sobbing and said "what if he was watching us while we were sleeping", it was pretty real to me. That was just a statement from her soul as far as I'm concerned. I also wouldn't like to speculate on whether Heather has had something happen to her in her life, or perhaps to someone she cared about, but I do think that one of the reasons the narrative is so powerful for many is that they might have been violated in some way, or known someone who has, and it just reminds many of how something terrible can happen in a minute. 

 

Regarding production, I guess I cannot fathom how anyone can really watch these shows and enjoy them if they are always thinking about production, cameras, and mics. That's why my husband mocks me whenever he sees me watching this show. He simply cannot get past the fact that this is a slickly produced, heavily edited show. He reminds me all of the time that "its not real". I have to forget the realities of production in order to give myself over to the enjoyment. That's why I get so irritated by the sloppy editing that reminds me its not all real. Like the Berkshires dinner party where Heather kept being in a different seat, or with different people sitting beside her from scene to scene. It was a reminder that I couldn't get past during the episode because it was so obvious. If I decide that we have to figure out the production, camera schedule and who put the mics on who, for one scene, then I have to do it for them all and it becomes less enjoyable, IMO. Alex gave us a lot of behind the scenes info. We know they routinely hold up one lady so she is late to cause a little bit of drama, that they often decide in what order the ladies will enter an event depending on who they want confronted first. We know that Sonja didn't really plan this entire trip, and that Kristen didn't spend weeks on the phone organizing the Montana trip last year. Yet when Ramona criticized Kristen for being a poor hostess, we all went along with the fact that Ramona was being mean to Kristen, even though we all knew - and Ramona certainly knew - that Kristen had nothing to do with catering and things like that. 

Edited July 14, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[Rainny]

Ramona could screw with all of us and say, "I tried to tell Dorinda, Carole, Kristen and Heather but their doors were locked and because I always put others first,  I locked the bathroom door so he could not get in and went to sleep."  We all know how thoughtful Ramona can be (in her own mind).

Ramona couldn't tell anyone because she was in the zone.

[zoeysmom]

 

 

Regarding production, I guess I cannot fathom how anyone can really watch these shows and enjoy them if they are always thinking about production, cameras, and mics. That's why my husband mocks me whenever he sees me watching this show. He simply cannot get past the fact that this is a slickly produced, heavily edited show. He reminds me all of the time that "its not real". I have to forget the realities of production in order to give myself over to the enjoyment. That's why I get so irritated by the sloppy editing that reminds me its not all real. Like the Berkshires dinner party where Heather kept being in a different seat, or with different people sitting beside her from scene to scene. It was a reminder that I couldn't get past during the episode because it was so obvious. If I decide that we have to figure out the production, camera schedule and who put the mics on who, for one scene, then I have to do it for them all and it becomes less enjoyable, IMO. Alex gave us a lot of behind the scenes info. We know they routinely hold up one lady so she is late to cause a little bit of drama, that they often decide in what order the ladies will enter an event depending on who they want confronted first. We know that Sonja didn't really plan this entire trip, and that Kristen didn't spend weeks on the phone organizing the Montana trip last year. Yet when Ramona criticized Kristen for being a poor hostess, we all went along with the fact that Ramona was being mean to Kristen, even though we all knew - and Ramona certainly knew - that Kristen had nothing to do with catering and things like that. 

I always thought so and so was the hostess of the trip was a bit over played until Sonja mentioned it was her friend that had the yacht.  Then I felt bad that Sonja didn't go.  I do think Sonja for example or LuAnn have more input than others.  Sonja also claims to have arranged for the penthouse for the day.  We know a friend of Bethenny's has an in with the owner of the club and there they were filming.   We know the Berkshires and the restaurants involve the RH but I have to say I think what these women were saying to and about Kristen is get your finger out of your nose and start cashing in on some of the benefits that come with filming here.  Kristen just seemed way too trusting of the producers and the stupid Geo game that no one was interested in.

[LotusFlower]

Why bring strange guys back to the house for a quickie when you are on a HW trip if you don't want it talked about ON CAMERA? Seems to me that LuAnn and Ramona wanted their hookups known, LuAnn has been talking all season long about her sexual appetite and IMO, Ramona wanted it known to "show" Mario what he is "missing".

This. LuAnn can shove it with her "girl code." She went on a trip for four days! And shared a house with seven other women, not to mention a crew and cameras. They were filming a reality show. And she actually expected her hook-up(s) to be kept private? Please. If this is why she's mad at Heather and Carole, then there's no question it's due to her post-filming panic that she wasn't involved in enough drama. Girl's a veteran, with a past demotion on her resume. She knows what she's doing. It's utterly ridiculous, as well as inauthentic (to use HW parlance), but she wants to keep her apple.

[biakbiak]

I always thought so and so was the hostess of the trip was a bit over played until Sonja mentioned it was her friend that had the yacht.

 

I don't think she said it was her friend, she said that they were making use of all the things she "availed" them of the yacht (i.e. Bravo paid for it).

[WireWrap]

I don't think she said it was her friend, she said that they were making use of all the things she "availed" them of the yacht (i.e. Bravo paid for it).

Nope, she, Sonja, even claims it was through a FRIEND in her blog! She goes so far as to name her and her connection to T&C! Is it possible that Sonja recommended this "friend" to production when production chose T&C as the destination, yes, it is possible, BUT she did not make the arrangements or pay 1 red cent for the trip, none of them did, it was all production. LOL

[biakbiak]

Ah,  thanks I never read the blogs so thanks but yeah, I assume since this "friend" wasn't there on the yacht, she just mentioned it to Bravo, it's not like finding a day charter in T and C is a difficult thing to pull off.

[izabella]

Sonja likes to pretend she has fancy rich friends with yachts, that she has yachts, and that she can make movies, and she doesn't and can't.  Maybe we should ask P Diddy about that, or Madonna.  I'd ask John-John, but he's dead, so...

 

De-lusional!   Or poser.

Edited July 14, 2015 by izabella

[motorcitymom65]

I always thought so and so was the hostess of the trip was a bit over played until Sonja mentioned it was her friend that had the yacht.  Then I felt bad that Sonja didn't go.  I do think Sonja for example or LuAnn have more input than others.  Sonja also claims to have arranged for the penthouse for the day.  We know a friend of Bethenny's has an in with the owner of the club and there they were filming.   We know the Berkshires and the restaurants involve the RH but I have to say I think what these women were saying to and about Kristen is get your finger out of your nose and start cashing in on some of the benefits that come with filming here.  Kristen just seemed way too trusting of the producers and the stupid Geo game that no one was interested in.

I would not be surprised to see the ladies have some input. To say "one day we should go out in a boat, or there is a restaurant there I love". What they are not doing is any real planning. Even if it was her friend, Sonja wasn't coordinating the schedule, making sure there were accomodations big enough to fit a camera crew, etc. They are not calling the restaurants and coordinating the filming or arranging for waivers for others that might be there. They just aren't. They aren't scouring the Internet trying to find the perfect house for everyone. The best giveaway was the year they went to St Barth's. That was Carole's trip, and she had been there before many times and was very familiar with the place. When they got there, however, she was surprised to realize the place they were staying was a place she had stayed at with Anthony before they were married. She said later she never realized they were staying at a place she had been to before because she never saw anything about the accomodations before they got there. Clearly this was all handled by production. They did go to a couple of her favorite restaurants while they were there.

[crgirl412]

Is there where it goes really bad with Lu and Heather???  Heather thinks a man staying over is horrific and Lu thinks it's not uncool. 

[BettyPoz]

I should have said I don't judge a Dorinda's sanity by the number of tweets or the content. I read a  lot of comments about her sanity being in question because of the number of tweets. To me she is being conversational instead of having the great witty tweet or two.  It is her style and if she has been rightfully called out on being "mean" due to content and apologized I will respect her for it.  

There were two beds in Carole and Heather's room.  It has never been established which doors were open-Heather claims she saw the naked man but does not indicate from which approach.  Or at least we were lead to believe there were two beds.

I sense a double standard here....Heather can have a reaction; but hers was over the top. Dorinda can write tweets but don't question her sanity in the crazy shit she writes.

[KungFuBunny]

He probably stuck out his ahh.....um.... errrr,.......thumb, yes, that's it, his thumb and hitch hiked back to town. 

 

A thumb?....dat bastige!

 

He told Ramona it was a Floaty Noodle and then proceeded to ask her to show him how she uses it to swim.

Just in case you didn't know....she's a great swimmah now!

[BettyPoz]

There's something about bringing an international booty call/one night stand to the hotel room that bothers me.  My married-for-25 years self thinks that kind of behavior is risky in NYC (or in the U.S., in general), but something about it being international brings out a whole other level of scary for me. Haven't these ladies ever heard of Joren Van Der Sloot, or watched Locked Up Abroad? The drunken Ramona and LuAnn are lucky that the naked guy didn't try to use them as drug mules and cram a few bags of black tar heroin up their butts.

  

That's what I thought too.  She was making a point about strangers having unfettered access to the house they were sharing.  It's one thing to bring a man home and have him in your own room.  It's quite another to let them roam around the house naked when there are other women in the house.  At least LuAnn had enough sense to send her man packing in the middle of the night.

I was thinking about this today -- all it would take was picking up one guy who happens to be a little wackadoodle and Ramona would have been a bloody hacked up mess before any camera crew showed up in the morning. Really? Who could stop him even if they heard her scream?

Rich women? Check. No husbands around? Check. Privacy? Check.

[AnnA]

There were two beds in Carole and Heather's room.  It has never been established which doors were open-Heather claims she saw the naked man but does not indicate from which approach.  Or at least we were lead to believe there were two beds.

 

Yes - There were two beds in Carole and Heather's room and I think there was only one bed in the adjoining room (Bethenny's).  

 

IIRC, Heather went from the room she shared with Carole into the bathroom.  That bathroom was situated between the room Heather and Carol shared and the one that Bethenny had just vacated.  That's when she saw the naked man because the doors from the bathroom to both bedrooms were  wide open.

 

I wonder if Heather or Carole used the bathroom during the night and didn't notice the naked man lying in the next room because that room was dark.  That makes his presence even more intrusive and creepy. IMHO.

Edited July 14, 2015 by AnnA

[WireWrap]

Yes - There were two beds in Carole and Heather's room and I think there was only one bed in the adjoining room (Bethenny's).  

 

IIRC, Heather went from the room she shared with Carole into the bathroom.  That bathroom was situated between the room Heather and Carol shared and the one that Bethenny had just vacated.  That's when she saw the naked man because the doors from the bathroom to both bedrooms were  wide open.

 

I wonder if Heather or Carole used the bathroom during the night and didn't notice the naked man lying in the next room because that room was dark.  That makes his presence even more intrusive and creepy. IMHO.

Either way, 1 of them using the bathroom while he slept, unbeknownst to them, or that he used the bathroom while both of them were sleeping with their bathroom door open! It is also possible that Bethenny's bathroom door was either closed or partially closed and they heard the guy snoring in his sleep! Either scenario is frightening because neither bathroom door was closed and locked.  JMO

[motorcitymom65]

It might be fun to watch Lu's Twitter feed tonight, since both Heather and Carole are on WWHL. When Carole was on in week 5 or 6, after they had started their Twitter War, Lu was tweeting like crazy to Andy and Bravo begging for the WWHL phone number to call in because she said Carole wasn't telling the whole story. I would assume she will tweet up a storm tonight because I would imagine they are not going to be kind to her.

[WireWrap]

Is there where it goes really bad with Lu and Heather???  Heather thinks a man staying over is horrific and Lu thinks it's not uncool. 

Heather was not upset that they brought guys back to the house or that some may have "hooked up" a couple of them. She was upset that someone let a strange guy sleep in the room adjacent to theirs without staying in that room with him or letting them know beforehand. That someone gave that guy unrestricted access to the entire house, including all the women when they were asleep and most vulnerable.

 

It might be fun to watch Lu's Twitter feed tonight, since both Heather and Carole are on WWHL. When Carole was on in week 5 or 6, after they had started their Twitter War, Lu was tweeting like crazy to Andy and Bravo begging for the WWHL phone number to call in because she said Carole wasn't telling the whole story. I would assume she will tweet up a storm tonight because I would imagine they are not going to be kind to her.

It will be interesting to see if Dorinda goes off the rails on twitter tonight as well! LOL

[AnnaL]

So between the time Heather saw the guy in Bethenny room and the time she "reenacted" her explanation to Carole the guy has had enough time to get dressed and leave the house.

Heather and her rightful indignation sure had enough time to wait for the cameras to start rolling and the mikes to be on.

Just saying :)

[JennyMominFL]

I really hope that everyone on this thread will be cool... not like, uncool, while we discuss this episode  That would suck.. Team Heather on this one

Edited July 15, 2015 by JennyMominFL

[Mozelle]

Ohhhh. LuAnn's man was married. And the flustered way she behaved when that was said on camera? Hahahaha. Methinks she knew exactly that this man was married.

 

Also, that awful horsetail attachment they have Bethenny wearing in her TH (where she's wearing a turquoise top) makes it so damn obvious that they just filmed it recently (or certainly after she cut her hair), and they're looking to fake continuity.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Mozelle

[JennyMominFL]

Ohhhh. LuAnn's man was married. And the flustered way she behaved when that was said on camera? Hahahaha. Methinks she knew exactly that this man was married.

Clearly LuAnn's rules are, sleep with a married man, cool, say the F word, totally, like, uncool.

[AnnaL]

Wow Kristen, the house keeper told you piece of information about the guy and you felt it was absolutely necessary to say it in camera for all the viewers to hear? No wonder Luann is so mad.

I don't think Luann has been shy about the fact that she likes sex but to out the fact that the guy was married (which seems Luann didn't know ) puts all this in a different light.

Kristen was upset that Luann was coping to all the charges she was making against her and she went for the kill.

With friends like this who needs enemies.

[motorcitymom65]

Heather just tweeted that the only thing "cool" about that last scene was the way Lu was rocking one of her "Yummie" bras.

[Mozelle]

It's quite interesting me that we're finally getting Heather scenes. Again, methinks that after enough tweeting to Andy, he realized that many folks were like, "Geez! We're listening to Bethenny cry again?" and simply over it. It's unfortunate that it's coming in the final three episodes. It would have done well for the belief that Heather had nothing going on in her life except to mix it up with Bethenny. *eye roll*

[Wendy]

Really Kristen? Do you think there is anything positive to take out of this interview?

http://www.realitytea.com/2015/02/04/kristen-taekman-frustrated-distant-bethenny-frankel-rhonys-dynamic/

She talks about Bethenny changing the dynamic of the group not for the best, she talks about her being standoffish and how she thought she would be great but she is not so that is how you can't judge a book by its cover quote came about.

While Kristen has every right to express her honest opinion about Bethenny and if she really thinks that the she needs to own it, there Kristen is trying to make everyone believe that she really meant the opposite of what she said. She is actually trying to say that her comment was a praise to Bethenny, in what world?

[Sheenieb]

 

 LuAnn's man was married. And the flustered way she behaved when that was said on camera? Hahahaha. Methinks she knew exactly that this man was married.

Yo, I was dying! I liked how she was like, yeah, I'll cop to making out on the deck. Married? :mumbles: well...

 

I think I'll forgive Luann for talking ridiculousness last week at the F U dinner. All because of her smoky voiced "be cool."

 

And LOL literally at her lighting into Heather for busting into her room.  She could've been entertaining a guest!

[Wendy]

Heather, " there was a naked man in my room" , while mother of exaggerations.

Heather keeps making this story bigger and bigger.

[shoegal]

Heather loves a righteous tirade. I was hoping to get footage of her chasing the naked man out of the house screaming 'NOBODY LIKES YOU! NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE!!'

Edited July 15, 2015 by shoegal

[Leroux]

Heather and her contradictions/ hypocrisy

She just apologized to Sonja by saying "none of us is a therapist so we can't diagnose the others" yet in this episode she has diagnosed Dorinda and declared that she is not a happy person because of the mess between her daughter and her boyfriend.

I bet Dorinda is itching to tweet something about that.

Heather judgemental? Nah.

Heather only comes from a place of love and honest concern. Can't you tell ? (Eye roll)

[Morbs]

Chances are if you get so insulted at being called uncool then you are indeed very uncool.  Heather repeated the insult like ten times.  Another clue you aren't cool is if your company is named "Yummie."

 

I'm a guy, so I just don't worry about my personal safety probably as much as Heather does.  But if Ramona was passed out in bed with her one night stand or not, if he wanted to do something criminal he would have, she wouldn't have been able to stop him.  Especially now with Tinder and Grindr, people bring home strangers all the time and their housemates may not always like it.  It's definitely a more college lifestyle Luanne and Ramona are into, but I don't think it really deserved that reaction Heather is just always so try hard.

[Straycat80]

I think Moaner banged that guy and then told him to go sleep in Bethennys room. I think the house manager got the naked guy out of the house because he wouldn't sign papers to be filmed, how uncool, and then miked up Heather and Carole to reenact that whole scene.

I can see both sides if this was normal life. But it's not. There was a house manager and camera crew there if naked guy tried to steal jewelry or Heathers wallet. So my verdict is that Heather over reacted.

I loved how flustered Lu got when they all found out her make out guy was married. You know that's going to be mentioned at the reunion.

I loved Bethennys imitation of drunk Dorinda.

WTH was Kristen wearing around her neck at the arts and crafts Jean party? It looked like a mini medieval spiked ball necklace. If that thing got caught on something she could have bled to death or been decapitated.

[charming]

OMG this was the greatest 24 minutes of the show possibly ever! I was laughing so hard I was crying. Luann's reactions were priceless. The Countess is the MVP of the show. I will need that kitchen scene on a loop. Sonja was hilarious too trying to explain that Ramona is new at this and doesn't know you have to send the guy home. He had a juice and took a swim in the pool, he didn't think he was a stranger. LMAO!

 

It was gross of Kristin to bring up sleeping with a married man on camera. If this was a quick hookup and she doesn't know the guy's last name how the hell is she supposed to know if he's married? And to make it worse, it wasn't even Luann's fault!

 

Luann needs to be on every vacation. Thank goodness Luann doesn't have the same "ethics and values" as Heather.

[Rhetorica]

M'kay, first of all I've learned from these forums that if I say JMO no one can argue with me, right? So... JMO What the Fuck? Heather is a beast, she would scare me too. I would have packed called a cab and sneaked out. So, Ramona's problem is that she's just green. Got it. I'm sure some of us don't ask for marriage licenses before sleeping with a guy, so LuAnn's cool. And quit insulting the Golden Girls-they Fuck too! Bethenny's impression of Dorinda was hilarious! Kristen is either a sneaky pretty girl or she has short-term memory loss. Heather accuses Dorinda of butting in someone's business! Pot Kettle! Sonja's impression of Dorinda "Back that the Fuck up!" was spot on! The Countless threatening to go talk about the trip, and Dorinda was like, "Which one?" I actually laughed out loud several times tonight. My hubs drew himself away from some cerebral shit to see what I was watching. This was better than Dinner Party from Hell! I'm gonna go watch again.

[WireWrap]

Wow Kristen, the house keeper told you piece of information about the guy and you felt it was absolutely necessary to say it in camera for all the viewers to hear? No wonder Luann is so mad.

I don't think Luann has been shy about the fact that she likes sex but to out the fact that the guy was married (which seems Luann didn't know ) puts all this in a different light.

Kristen was upset that Luann was coping to all the charges she was making against her and she went for the kill.

With friends like this who needs enemies.

Ummm, Kristen said that the Producer, "Alex", told her that the guy was married, not the "house keeper" and she also said that the producers told the guys to "get out of the car" and that he "did NOT want them in the house" but that the women in the car ignored him and brought them home anyway. IMO, if the producer tells you it is not a good idea to bring strange men into the house, there is a good reason to leave them at the curb. JMO

[JennyMominFL]

Random thought while watching this show. I should have saved all of my high wasted pants from the 80's. Who knew they would be back?

[BloggerAloud]

I'm not a fan of Kristen but I did love that she gave Ramona a side-eye when the ladies were fighting over the dude yet managed to not be actually involved in the fight.

[WireWrap]

Chances are if you get so insulted at being called uncool then you are indeed very uncool.  Heather repeated the insult like ten times.  Another clue you aren't cool is if your company is named "Yummie."

 

I'm a guy, so I just don't worry about my personal safety probably as much as Heather does.  But if Ramona was passed out in bed with her one night stand or not, if he wanted to do something criminal he would have, she wouldn't have been able to stop him.  Especially now with Tinder and Grindr, people bring home strangers all the time and their housemates may not always like it.  It's definitely a more college lifestyle Luanne and Ramona are into, but I don't think it really deserved that reaction Heather is just always so try hard.

Yes, the random stranger could have hurt Ramona but he could have also hurt either Heather or Carole. Heather's whole point was not that they brought them home or that they had sex with them but that Ramona left the guy in a bedroom next to theirs without letting them know so that they could lock their doors.

[crgirl412]

I need to watch this episode again.  What time did she see the naked man?  3:00 am???  It is odd that she turned it on for the cameras if that is the case.  Ramona is an asshole as usual to say to talk to Luann.  If that was "her man" then it was her job to see him out after they were done not send him upstairs.   I see Heather's point but I need to get the timeline straight.

 

I need to read the Kristen/Beth article to get a feel on that one too.

 

Should this be in Memory Lane?  Who remembers Ramona freaking out when Alex brought Simon to Girls Night at Jill's and she went off about Class and then left to go Downtown to go out??  Now she brings a strange man home and lets him have access to her friends and their belongings???  My how things change........ 

[JAYJAY1979]

Heather might have flown off the handle a bit, but when you are taken by surprise by seeing a naked man sleeping in an adjacent room ..it can freak someone put. If they'd known ahead of time...the door would have been locked, perhaps both heather and Carole would have slept with clothes on, etc.

http://www.chicagonow.com/confessions-coffeeholic/2015/07/the-great-gatsby-real-housewives-kardashian-spinoff/

[ScoobieDoobs]

Really Kristen? Do you think there is anything positive to take out of this interview?

 

http://www.realityte...rhonys-dynamic/

 

It isn't positive or negative about Bethenny.  Well, I'm not a Bethenny uber-fan, so I didn't think Kristen was bashing her.  Some of the Bethenny uber-fans seem to think any discussion of her is bashing her.  I don't get it, but they won't scare me off from discussing Bethenny & I'm glad Kristen doesn't seem scared off from talking about her either.  Seems like bullying to me, to censor anyone from ever having an opinion about Bethenny.  Even Bethenny admitted she came off like a pitbull (and she absolutely did, which is her usual M.O. anyway), the way she was ordering (barking at) Kristen to not speak about her in the press.

 

Kristen was merely stating her frustration in dealing with Bethenny & trying to communicate with her.  Big woo.  Doesn't seem like anything bad there at all to me.  Shrugging hard to see what's so bad.

 

So Lu goes after married men without a single thought or care.  We really are learning just exactly who Lu is, aren't we?  Very classy, Lu.  

[Rahul]

Best part of the episode? Dorinda unwittingly hot gluing the host's glittery coasters to her jeans!

[crgirl412]

M'kay, first of all I've learned from these forums that if I say JMO no one can argue with me, right? So... JMO What the Fuck? Heather is a beast, she would scare me too. I would have packed called a cab and sneaked out. So, Ramona's problem is that she's just green. Got it. I'm sure some of us don't ask for marriage licenses before sleeping with a guy, so LuAnn's cool. And quit insulting the Golden Girls-they Fuck too! Bethenny's impression of Dorinda was hilarious! Kristen is either a sneaky pretty girl or she has short-term memory loss. Heather accuses Dorinda of butting in someone's business! Pot Kettle! Sonja's impression of Dorinda "Back that the Fuck up!" was spot on! The Countless threatening to go talk about the trip, and Dorinda was like, "Which one?" I actually laughed out loud several times tonight. My hubs drew himself away from some cerebral shit to see what I was watching. This was better than Dinner Party from Hell! I'm gonna go watch again.

The Allison DuBois one from BH?? 

[lunastartron]

LuAnn has a lengthy history of her own doubles standards. She has on occasion been unnecessarily cruel (some of her exchanges with Alex, however ridiculous she and Simon were, come to mind). And her efforts to shame Carole about Adam were inane and artless since this whole episode is apparently what all of her anger is about. But I understand her ire in this particular instance because Heather and Carole were doing their best to slut shame the Countess in that kitchen - and for what? Because she alone had the temerity to address Heather's apoplexy right then and there? It's no more C/H's business is the tricks Lu picks up are married or if she "even knows their name" any more than it is whether Carole could vote before Adam was born. Lu is still stupid for walking into the hypocrisy in slut shaming someone because they slut shamed you but the righteous fury from Heather when Lu confronted her at the jeans party was unreal. Firstly, Heather can literally start the discussion by attempting to call in Carole but Dorinda can't offer an opinion counter to Heather edicts because suddenly then "this disagreement is between me and Lu"? Lu can't describe Heather's inquisition of everyone (during which she dramatically ripped back curtains and commanded people to "get up") as a "rampage" and/or "storming" into rooms but Heather can revise what happened into a "naked man" being in "MY bed/room"? In a habit consistent with her policing of language (but heavens forbid anyone else does it), Heather can take umbrage at people "yelling" at her but it's a-okay when she wakes people up by screaming at them?

[Mozelle]

Well, this should teach me to let the phone go to voice mail. I missed the last 20 minutes. Ugh.

 

Anyway, I'm not at all crying for Argentina that Kristen brought up on camera that LuAnn's dude was a married man. I'm cackling. Why? Because snaky LuAnn was quite eager to translate in Morocco that the fortune teller was saying to Ramona that Mario was thinking of another woman. Like, LuAnn was shaking with glee at translating that...on camera. She jumped ahead of Kelly, whose French is better, solely so she could be the one to say on camera what the fortune teller said. I think Ramona's an elitist snake, but LuAnn is no stranger to speaking something about someone else's man on camera. So, ya know, ha! that Kristen brought up on camera that LuAnn fucked a married man.

 

I also refuse (REFUSE!) to act like Heather is in the wrong for feeling shaken up about a strange man asleep, naked, and alone in the adjoining room. The whole "Well, there was a camera person present" simply doesn't fly with me. I'm remembering one season of The Amazing Race when the teams were traveling through Morocco. One team (a fireman and a police officer) ended up getting detained and were almost taken for their passports. Each team has a cameraperson and a sound person. The presence of two additional people didn't stop these grown men from being visibly shaken up after the ordeal. The idea that a camera person is supposed to double as protection or their presence is supposed to assuage feelings of fear? GTFOH with that mess.

[Granimal]

Loved Carole's fishtail braid at the F U dinner. Hated Carole's eyebrows at the post-vacation lunch. (Did anyone notice Carole's Skinnygirl sweetener at the lunch?) Kristin's necklace at the denim design "party" was ridiculous.  I know I'm the only one that doesn't like her style.

 

To me, Heather always seems like she is just desperate for camera time/drama. I don't understand her. She was a favorite of mine until tonight's episode. JMO :) Loved Carole all stoned trying to pretend she gave a crap trailing behind Heather. "Yeahhhh....there was a naked guy thereeee." It was obvious to me that Carole was just placating Hurricane Heather so that she wouldn't get caught in the storm. Carole, angry that someone brought a man home? Please! You can tell by the way she recounted the story to Bethany that she thought it was hilarious. I'm surprised that Carole has never brought a stranger home. I thought she was Carrie-lite. I want Carole and Ramona to be friends. They crack me up as a duo.

 

 

Dorinda was right, they acted as if someone drowned in the ocean. Jesus christ.

 

Wow Heather can miss me with her  slut-shaming of Luanne. "Do you even know his name?" "Well you and I have very different ethics and values." "It's not so classy." LOVE LOVE Lu. "I could've been swinging from the chandelier with a guy on my back." Luanne earned herself a whole bushel of apples tonight.

 

Worried about their safety? Please. They're around camera crews, staff, and a house manager right? Even if not, nothing happened so no reason to completely lose your shit now. Slut shaming pure and simple. Have a calm conversation about your concerns, sure, but don't turn into a slut shaming uncool jerk.** (I know that I'm just asking for it with that comment, but with no immediate threat, if all it was was that Heather was worried for her safety, she should've been a lotttt calmer considering the threatening male was completley out of the house.)

 

Geeze this should've been a funny vacation story like the "pirate".

 

Kristin can shut up as usual. Please go back to using your mouth to make blowjob face and not to form actual words. "I just got an earful from Alaisteir."* Well at least we know that someone is keeping Kristin company. Also who else is shaking in their boots that Kristin has her gloves on? "I may not be smart but I'm pretty!" Ugh. I could never be close to someone that would say that about themselves.

 

*Alaisteir being the male house manager.

 

Love how Heather was all worried that the dangerous man had "spanked his monkey" looking at her.

 

Luanne is the most beautiful woman alive. She has the best skin of any woman ever.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Granimal

[izabella]

Sonja was hilarious too trying to explain that Ramona is new at this and doesn't know you have to send the guy home. He had a juice and took a swim in the pool, he didn't think he was a stranger. LMAO!

 That was my favorite part of the kitchen scene. 

 

So again, Ramona sparks off the bullshit, and then when she's about to be handed her ass, she pre-empts it with an apology. 

 

If Luann is trying to spin her anger with Heather as an evil plot of Heather's to catch her in the act, I'm not buying it.

 

 

Edit because Sonja is not Ramona.

Edited July 15, 2015 by izabella

[crgirl412]

Best part of the episode? Dorinda unwittingly hot gluing the host's glittery coasters to her jeans!

THIS!!!  I was truly laughing out loud!!!   

[BluishGreen]

Ramona sure knows how to turn it around so she's the victim.  Glad Heather didn't take the bait.

 

The bloom is off the road with Dorinda.  Ugly weepy drunk.

 

Next day, it's Heather's turn to be all weepy and dramatic.

 

Best thing of the episode is Luann's "Don't be all uncool".

 

Totally agree about Heather.  Where's the big tough chick who was gonna put on her "skully" and fuck people up? She saw a naked man sleeping and starts crying?  Oh please.  Nothing happened-- Naked man was up and gone before she even spoke to Carol, but Heather is  going get the vapors and tear around the house in hysterics? There's a MAN in the house!!!

 

I agree with Luanne (never thought I'd say that).  Heather is all indignant and judge-y, not over what did happen, but what might have happened but didn't happen.  I could get it if she wanted to talk about house rules the next day, but bursting in Ramona's room and Luanne's room crying and accusing and shaming and losing her shit?  Ughh,  Can't take her at all. She needs to take that misshapen potato nose of hers and keep it out of other people's business.

 

And I absolutely believe that Carol the worm told Luanne "Heather made me do it"  was out of line and then changed her story.