Social Media and Behind the Scenes: AKA Everything Else Not "News and Media"

[Mellowyellow]

Funny you should bring that up. GG has actually made me fear what they could do to Olicity. And I don't even like Rory or Lorelai but I feel bad for the fans who were so excited and who love them. 

So help me if they pull something equally awful on my beloved Felicity.

[NumberCruncher]

1 hour ago, Angel12d said:

That's all very true. But he's not going to change, unfortunately. I feel like many people have tried striking up conversation with him about it and he never gets it, every single time. It's like talking to a brick wall. Why bother?

Exactly.  Marc just doesn't get it so people's attempts to sway him are futile.  They might as well just beat their heads against a brick wall...it's probably less painful in the end.  You can't persuade the unpersuadable.  If people were truly smart about their dissatisfaction they would show him the apathy he's so keen on avoiding.

[Password]

1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

Maybe M.Guggenheim would have liked more talk about things like Ra's charismatic tenure? Malcolm Merlyn's coherent character development? The carefully, logically crafted S3 and S4 arcs? Thea's agency and epic love story with Alex? The riveting S4 flashbacks? The giganormous screentime devoted to OTA? The endearing, fascinating bunch of masked/superpowered/magical newbies popping up every season? etc.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I think this is exactly what Marc wants. Unfortunately, for me anyway, nothing about the story telling has been compelling or interesting. Shouldn't have advertised Olicity so hard for TWO YEARS whilst letting the overall narrative slip Marc if you didn't want such passionate fans.

[BkWurm1]

2 hours ago, GirlvsTV said:

He is the show's Executive Producer. My support, time and purchasing dollars will be better spent on a show with an EP (and lead actor) who don't feel the need to belittle and dismiss parts of the fandom because they are just, "shippers."  Also, I agree it smacks of coded sexism and it doesn't help to see that mindset reflected in the treatment of Arrow's female characters this season. 

ETA: I have a hard time understanding why trying to stir up / anger Olicity fans is a solid idea. Tbh, I think their dumbassery has actually driven them away more quickly. It is certainly true for me, I decided to hold off watching live this season based solely on those terrible interviews before 5x01.

I honestly think it's just MG being thin skinned and defensive and lashing out and has nothing to do with future plans for Olicity or the show.  He's always like this.  You don't like what's on screen?  Well, you must be watching it wrong.  Next season he'll talk about needing to reconnect with the emotional side of the characters and how love is the ultimate human emotion or something.  It's all cyclical and shouldn't be read that much into in the long term.  

1 hour ago, tarotx said:

It does seem a trend with showrunners going at shippers. I mean Gilmore Girls creator Amy Sherman-Palladino talked about how fans were wondering about Dean or Jess instead of “What newspaper is Rory’s working for?” “Did she win a Pulitzer yet?" And then she went and made Rory Jobless and the last four words be what she made them. I'm over showrunners and creators. 

I'm sure her response was in part because she already knew how she'd ended it and that she was trying to redirect the interest, but she also IMO was really wishing people were more interested in Rory being a good, smart person than just what boy she dates since the show was always more concerned about the bigger picture.  I really don't think MG has any idealism agenda that he's trying to promote, lol, he's just IMO being reactionary and displacing the blame.  It's IMO opinion no different than MG baiting the Olicity shippers in season three while Oliver and Felicity were at odds.   

1 hour ago, Mellowyellow said:

Funny you should bring that up. GG has actually made me fear what they could do to Olicity. And I don't even like Rory or Lorelai but I feel bad for the fans who were so excited and who love them. 

So help me if they pull something equally awful on my beloved Felicity.

Ah, but Rory's love life was never the most important love story on that show.  From what i hear,

Spoiler

Luke and Lorelai fans came out just fine.  :)  

That's what counts to me.  

Edited November 30, 2016 by BkWurm1

[LeighAn]

I just read MGs timeline and got very close to rage black out I mean if you look at his likes he liked a tweet from a guy who's Twitter bio is Fuck Felicity he liked another tweet of some one saying Olicity fans are unreasonab. He replied to a tweet to someone giving him a pat on the back for not pandering to "Olishiters" with I'm not pandering to anyone and a smiley face- that person then replied with a thank you and called Olicity fans and I quote entitled c****. He didn't call that person out or publicly shame them. He did however call someone out and publicly shame an Olicity fan who sarcastically but civil lay replied to an Arrow writers tweet asking fans to trend for the 100th tomorrow. 

I believe him when he says he has no loyalty to any ship because the only ship he cares about is whoever strokes his vain ego. 

[looptab]

Far be it from me to defend him, but I don't think he goes and look at the bios or other tweets from people when liking something.

[LeighAn]

Im sure he doesn't but I mean the fact that someone he replied too tweeted back to him like a few minutes later calling people c**** and even though he was still on line and replying to his mentions he says nothing? 

I had to like close the window  and go grab something to eat to take a breather after reading his timeline is all I'm saying haha. 

That being said the actual tvlime interview wasn't that bad and if you completely ignored his social media etiquette I didn't find the shipper quote that bad. But it does read into my theory that some of  the writers have some slight resentment that Olicity became bigger then the show.

[BkWurm1]

1 minute ago, LeighAn said:

But it does read into my theory that some of  the writers have some slight resentment that Olicity became bigger then the show.

Technically they should be proud since their show created it and ultimately, I think they are, it's just right now they want praise for what they are currently doing and yeah, good luck with that.  

[LeighAn]

5 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Technically they should be proud since their show created it and ultimately, I think they are, it's just right now they want praise for what they are currently doing and yeah, good luck with that.  

I agree with this, that's why I said slight resentment. I remember Wendy and Marc's season 3 commentary and how the waxed poetical about Olicity and Emily and it felt genuine. But like you said they want fans to care about what they the writers care about in the moment which sorry.

I have to say I chuckled at tv lines choice of the Oliver and Laurel pic for Marc's I wish people cared more about ships slide.

[looptab]

19 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

That being said the actual tvlime interview wasn't that bad and if you completely ignored his social media etiquette I didn't find the shipper quote that bad. 

Agreed. At this point I think people are reactionary because these comments are just piling up.

[kismet]

5 hours ago, Chaser said:

The more he talks the harsher I think the feedback was from the network.

Fingers crOssed hard enough for them to kick him off the show.

Imo hes runnIng the show INto the ground or at least making IT more of a niche show wIth little overall appeal 

[LeighAn]

13 minutes ago, looptab said:

Agreed. At this point I think people are reactionary because these comments are just piling up.

If he had said nothing on Twitter ignored poking the bear I would have probably seen past that article but instead he did the opposite. 

[kismet]

3 hours ago, tarotx said:

It does seem a trend with showrunners going at shippers. I mean Gilmore Girls creator Amy Sherman-Palladino talked about how fans were wonderingitabout Dean or Jess instead of “What newspaper is Rory’s working for?” “Did she win a Pulitzer yet?" And then she went and made Rory Jobless and the last four words be what she made them. I'm over showrunners and creators. 

I thought Pallandino was kicked off the final season of GG and had nothing to do with the series finale? I remember reading something about her being disappointed with how It turned out.

[BkWurm1]

3 minutes ago, kismet said:

I thought Pallandino was kicked off the final season of GG and had nothing to do with the series finale? I remember reading something about her being disappointed with how It turned out.

Netflix just dropped four new 90 minute episodes that Palladino helmed.  She got to do her ending after all.  Even if it was ten years out of date, lol.  

Edited November 30, 2016 by BkWurm1

[bijoux]

DR is my favorite. That's my boo boo. Hee.

[Willowtree]

6 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

They are doing what majority of shows do and that is keep the main couple off and on throughout the shows run to create cheap drama. Olicity will end up together in the end, but Marc deflecting and making up lame excuses just makes things worse. Everyone could focus on more important things then watch Arrow at all but people know how to multitask and I don't think he realizes that. There are 24 hrs in a day afterall.

I think that it's pretty obvious that Oliver and Felicity will end up together, and that the current boyfriends (Malone) or prospective love interests (Susan) are just stalling devices, whose main purpose is to prolong the inevitable Olicity reunion/endgame. The "Arrow" writers are doing the same ole same tired "will they, won't they?" dance that most long running shows do with their main characters, and nothing Guggenheim says will convince me otherwise.  In the meanwhile the writers and producers are ignoring the elements that matter to most viewers, i.e. good writing/plotting, believable acting and interesting character interactions. But that's not a current problem, it's something that's been plaguing the show since season three, romance or no romance. IMHO it's not ships or shipping that's the problem, but the lack of a sense of direction.  Oliver keeps wavering between a kill or no kill attitude, Quentin's alcoholism storyline gets a new "rinse and repeat" almost every season, Felicity's personal storylines are too poorly executed to really develop her character, Thea's storylines evolve around being someone's (surrogate) daughter, the Big Bad threatens to destroy Star city every May and so on. Whether Oliver and Felicity are "canoodling" or not is IMHO a minor problem when the writing and acting (due to the absence of many skilled and experienced actors like Susanna T., Colin Salmon and Manu Bennett) seldom exceed the bare CW minimum. I still think "Arrow" is an enjoyable show, but the idea that there will be this great change in quality just because Oliver and Felicity will be re-united, or because there will be more focus on OTA, doesn't really hold water, at least not IMHO.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Willowtree

[looptab]

36 minutes ago, Willowtree said:

the idea that there will be this great change in quality just because Oliver and Felicity will be re-united, or because there will be more focus on OTA, doesn't really hold water,

I don't think I've ever read anyone saying that the show will improve x100 with those things. But, those things would definitely improve people's enjoyment of the show. 

[apinknightmare]

2 hours ago, looptab said:

I don't think I've ever read anyone saying that the show will improve x100 with those things. But, those things would definitely improve people's enjoyment of the show. 

Agreed. I enjoy Oliver more when he's with Felicity - I enjoy the show more when they're happy and together, regardless of what other garbage is happening at the moment. I think most of the other storylines are awful (Felicity seemingly not having a job, having her main purpose being to bring this cop into the narrative for whatever purpose he's ultimately going to serve; Diggle being willing to live a life away from his family as a falsely accused traitor, no one on Team Arrow even mentioning trying to bring the false accusers to justice; Thea being off on Lance island; all the newbies who are either awful (Wild Dog, Curtis), useless (Evelyn - although that Prometheus reveal made her somewhat more interesting, provided they stick the landing), or pleasant but not around a whole lot (Rory). I'm not super interested in watching any of that (and haven't watched for the past few weeks). I've almost always been super interested in watching Oliver and Felicity storylines as long as they aren't of the baby mama drama variety, so it would be nice to have that back in light of the rest of the show not being that great (IMO).

To keep this on topic, Marc Guggenheim would do well to stay off of twitter and stop trying to police the way people watch the show, or to paint with such a broad brush regarding fan dissatisfaction this season (and every season, really). But, fragile ego is fragile, and I suppose he makes himself feel better by dismissing people who just don't get his vision as an artiste, so...

Edited November 30, 2016 by apinknightmare

[RussianRoulette]

I love the sound of stupidity in the morning! I particularly enjoyed MG's dismissive tone regarding valid critiques about the show AND his patronizing command of "please focus on protecting the Republic" because "it's just a TV show". 

Let me just take a minute here to actually laugh my ass off, breathe, and laugh some more. 'Cause we all are too stupid to focus on several things at the same time, ya know.

What a bunch of craptastic crap. Without going on a tangent regarding his comments, wtf? Like how is that a valid argument to critiques?

This dude is a lost cause. No amount of PR crash courses can help him at this point. There is of course no surprise that a bunch of articulated people unleashed a can of whoop-ass on social media. 

I'm way past being infuriated with his stupid shenanigans because dumb dude is dumb, but seriously writing these statements on the eve of a milestone for your show, seems like a good idea how? 

LOLOLOLOL 

[Happy Harpy]

6 hours ago, Password said:

I think this is exactly what Marc wants. Unfortunately, for me anyway, nothing about the story telling has been compelling or interesting.

I don't think your POV about the storytelling is a rarity, which is why imo M.Guggenheim wouldn't have liked if the fandom had been talking "more" about the writing in general and the other aspects of the show, especially those I enumerated. I use the word "more" and I use brackets because I disagree anyway that shippers only talk about their ship or, for most of them, see everything through this filter. This board is reputed as an "Olicity den" and people have always discussed other plotlines, character development etc. and pointed at the weaknesses even when they were satisfied with Oliver and Felicity's relationship status. 

The ship was, however and imo, the tree that hid the forrest of flawed/lazy writing. Because the Olicity fandom is so big and/or so vocal (mileages vary) it always made itself heard. Loudly. Very loudly. And quite often, the enthusiastic/positive feedback about the ship smothered the complaints even though they often came from the same persons. I remember the S3 finale in particular: People were elated that Olicity were together especially after a dissatisfying year and it won over the feeling that the rest of the finale was quite meh.

5 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

I honestly think it's just MG being thin skinned and defensive and lashing out and has nothing to do with future plans for Olicity or the show.  He's always like this.  You don't like what's on screen?  Well, you must be watching it wrong. 

Typical of nowadays showrunners, imo. They're as thin-skinned indeed as a 12 year-old fanfic writer posting her first story. Don't get me wrong, authors are always protective and defensive about their work and it's normal. And yes, criticism is at times over the top, unfair and/or stems from people being ill-informed of BTS shenanigans, for example.

But first, TV is a massmedia. You know you will have to deal with an audience, you'll have to reasonably please an audience, and you'll have to be able to convey your message/intention to an audience; it's part of the job. Second point: It's a job, precisely. It means that you have to question your ability of doing all three and not constantly blame those who don't understand your "ginius" when the reaction is not what you hoped for. Showrunners can use interns to sort out the criticism, so they can get the constructive remarks free of the hurtful comments. Finally, if you can't stay professional when interacting with your audience, don't engage on social media and alienate fans; there are professionals who can deal with it for you. Of course, it also means that you won't get the ego boost either.

So it seems to me that M.Guggenheim and the writing team would like to have their cake and eat it, too. They enjoyed the positive feedback, media buzz, mass-voting etc. generated by the big and/or vocal and anyway well-organized Olicity fandom for years. To keep the same example, at the time of the S3 finale, I don't remember that they ignored the praises in order to focus on what they could improve or on answering criticism. Moreover, well into season 5, they can't pretend they don't know their audience. They had to be aware that the reaction wouldn't be positive for that big and/or vocal part of the fandom. So the woe is me oh ye narrow-minded shippers! routine is at best disingenuous, at worst hypocritical in my opinion.

2 hours ago, Willowtree said:

In the meanwhile the writers and producers are ignoring the elements that matter to most viewers, i.e. good writing/plotting, believable acting and interesting character interactions. But that's not a current problem, it's something that's been plaguing the show since season three, romance or no romance. IMHO it's not ships or shipping that's the problem, but the lack of a sense of direction. 

I agree, and that's why I'm talking about hypocrisy. Now the ship doesn't hide the forrest anymore, but I feel that they deliberately use it as a scapegoat to deflect criticism. It's imo dangerous. Enjoyment of certain characters and relationships can render the audience very forgiving with blatant lack of quality in other areas (don't I know it!). But when quality still isn't here (YMMV, I wouldn't even know in this particular case) and people don't enjoy the show anymore, the transition between hatred/disappointment and apathy can happen quite fast.

In my personal case, it happened over the course of the summer. In spite of still loving Oliver, Felicity and Diggle (or at least the characters they were when I still watched) and in spite of some knee-jerk reactions mostly to fandom or media stuff, I don't care about the show in itself anymore.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Happy Harpy

[kismet]

At this point Arrow will be what it will be. I can hope for a return to quality, but that's about as guaranteed as snow in the summer. To return to @Chaser's point. I do think the network put some pressure on the show to make some changes. However, I think the lackluster direction the show has taken has come from DCTV. If anything, I think the network (CW) is now applying pressure to return back to Olicity. Will they won't they is TV 101, but the CW likes to make a profit and Olicity was a profitable component of the bread & butter of Arrow. However, it seems that DCTV probably doesn't appreciate Olicity.

It seems that show in s3 moved from telling a cohesive origin story for OQ with meaty subplots for supporting characters to a paint by number comic story with emphasis on introducing more licensed characters to sell more merchandise/addl projects or back-end profit. Looking back on it now, it became obvious the minute they dropped looking for SL's killer and focusing on pretty basic & repetitive storylines that the show was no longer about the characters but rather the greater DCTV enterprise. And at the end of the day, Olicity does not need to be together to make the show worthwhile or quality. But there needs to be improvement & focus on the characters. How they messed up Olicity is indicative of how they have messed up the character journeys. What used to be organic, inspiring and forward moving is now forced, boring and backwards. There is no character storytelling going on. No character journeys. It's all plot with a few cliche shout-outs to character. And their glaring treatment of Olicity only highlights for me all the ongoing failures & struggles the show is having on a broader scale.

Back to social media, at this point I'm just fatigued with the writers and their disregard for large portions of fans. However, their blatant & disrespectful tone in social media doesn't inspire me to rage on in a way that increases my investment & connection with the show. Somebody earlier mentioned that MG & SA think negative fan reaction is still people engaging which is better than apathy. However, MG & co forget that I can still be negative and critical about the situation while completely apathetic to the show. I'm bitter and angry that a show I used to love is now a piece of knock-off crap being sold at a 2nd rate thriftshop, but it turns out I'm actually really apathetic to the actual show. Their crappy writing has made it so I could ultimately care less about what is happening on the actual show. And that is perhaps the deepest reflection of the reality. In s3 & s4, I was angry, but still invested in the show and the characters. I wanted them to get their shit together. I wanted OQ to pull his head out of his ass; for LL to actually learn to land a punch; for FS to become more than just one dimensional LI; for TQ to have an actual story; for OTA and the new Team Arrow to work as a cohesive unit. This season not so much. The Bunker could blow up with everyone in it and my first thought would be well at least another show might get a refurbished set. The episodes ares piling up on my to get around to list, not even my to do list.

But you know what MG, keep on encouraging me to find better things to do with my time. Ultimately, the PTB & the BTS shenanigans are making this break-up a lot easier. A few more jabs in social & professional media about how my viewership is not as important and I might make a clean break from the show. I won't even feel guilty since there are so many bigger things to worry my silly little head over.

Edited November 30, 2016 by kismet
clarification

[insomniadreams88]

MG just posted the story session with Berlanti from when the show first began: https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/803972020866203648

I don't see the point of mentioning "Love interest ideas redacted because ... Twitter" unless he wants to get a reaction. Also, you know, they didn't plan on Felicity back then... It's not like that's a secret. MG talks about that all the time. 

(Can anyone read all of the writing?)

[apinknightmare]

15 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

(Can anyone read all of the writing?)

This is what is written:

Bookended by island: 
Picked up on island
Arrives on island 

 

End Act 1: Oliver kidnapped. Says what he’s going to do - kill everyone. 
What happened on that island? All we know is he’s a rich kid who went missing. 
*reveal he’s capable

 

Backstory:
*crash
*3 on boat
*not enough food/Dad’s remorse - what he’s done
*Dad shoots himself
*reveal of island 

-(Dudley?) on police force, hunting him
-Detective beat cop
-mother remarried guy who’s now mayor
-Dad’s old business partner

-He comes back. on a mission.
-Fucked up by the island
-Puts on the act of being the same person (thanks @way2interested)
*What happened on that island?

 

-Breaks guy out of prison 
 - Mercenary/hitman
- Guy is a criminal 

 

-Base in abandoned subway lines
  -They started but corporate interest killed it
    -He lived underground on the island
   - Periodically flashback

Edited November 30, 2016 by apinknightmare

[way2interested]

4 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

 

-(can’t make out) or being the same person

 

Puts on the act of being the same person.

Interesting the little changes here and there (base being in the subway, Walter being the mayor, breaking someone out of prison). Although being a victim of curiosity, I am wondering what's under all that redacted stuff for "Love interest" 

Edited November 30, 2016 by way2interested

[apinknightmare]

1 minute ago, way2interested said:

Interesting the little changes here and there (base being in the subway, Walter being the mayor). Although being a victim of curiosity, I am wondering what's under all that redacted stuff for "Love interest" 

It's ridiculous for him to redact it - we saw kind of what their original plan was and knew it didn't involve Felicity and most likely involved only Laurel - which is what we saw on screen the first season. He's such a drama queen, haha.

[insomniadreams88]

2 minutes ago, way2interested said:

Although being a victim of curiosity, I am wondering what's under all that redacted stuff for "Love interest" 

Me too. I wonder if the plan always was for Oliver and Laurel to have that messy past. 

[way2interested]

2 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

Me too. I wonder if the plan always was for Oliver and Laurel to have that messy past. 

I mean, it seems like it always was. Going by how they talked about the story and what they planned to do, I would guess that the redacted stuff would mention that he would have various love interests throughout the series but his main one (BC) would have been someone who's known him before the island and pushes him to be the Green Arrow, maybe mentioning the love triangle with his ultimate rival (Tommy, who was destined to be the Dark Archer). It just throws me off because that redacted chunk looks bigger than I would think just to describe that.

[Morrigan2575]

10 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

It's ridiculous for him to redact it - we saw kind of what their original plan was and knew it didn't involve Felicity and most likely involved only Laurel - which is what we saw on screen the first season. He'ssuch a drama queen, haha.

Sorry but, I have to disagree on this. Rationally you'd have to be an idiot to get upset over Laurel being mentioned as Oliver's LI in a note pad a year before the show premiered. However, even my brief visits to twitter tells me that's not what would happen. 

[Midnight Lullaby]

Tbh I think pointing out that he redacted that part got it more replies that he would have gotten if he didn't so I guess well played.

[apinknightmare]

3 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Sorry but, I have to disagree on this. Rationally you'd have to be an idiot to get upset over Laurel being mentioned as Oliver's LI in a note pad a year before the show premiered. However, even my brief visits to twitter tells me that's not what would happen. 

It's not even getting upset over Laurel being Oliver's love interest written out on a notepad - we already saw Laurel as Oliver's love interest in the show. So it seems like they tried to make what was written on that notepad a reality, and it didn't work out so...still not seeing what even the most irrational person would have to get upset about. 

Unless there was a messier plan involving Laurel (or maybe Laurel was initially not involved at all), and it's not the Olicity folks he's worried about upsetting.

[looptab]

Maybe for once he is not worried about Olicity shippers' reaction, but Lauriver's? Probably he doesn't want to hear "That was your plan, and Olicity people threatened your family at gunpoint and made you change it!!!!1!!"

What is it with me defending Guggenheim today?

[bijoux]

I'm finding it difficult to imagine him worrying about upsetting any fan base. If anything, he redacted that to stir shit up.

[yellowfred]

1 hour ago, apinknightmare said:

   - Periodically flashback

I think this is my favorite part.

[Primal Slayer]

1 hour ago, looptab said:

Maybe for once he is not worried about Olicity shippers' reaction, but Lauriver's? Probably he doesn't want to hear "That was your plan, and Olicity people threatened your family at gunpoint and made you change it!!!!1!!"

What is it with me defending Guggenheim today?

That would be stupid since everyone knows the original plan. No more damage can be done to either sides that hasn't already been done. 

[looptab]

7 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

That would be stupid since everyone knows the original plan. No more damage can be done to either sides that hasn't already been done. 

Never said it was smart either way, haha. :)

[kismet]

I'd laugh if there was nothing of substance under the redacted section at all. It just makes it more mysterious and drama. And right up MG's alley.

[tv echo]

3 hours ago, insomniadreams88 said:

MG just posted the story session with Berlanti from when the show first began: https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/803972020866203648

I don't see the point of mentioning "Love interest ideas redacted because ... Twitter" unless he wants to get a reaction. Also, you know, they didn't plan on Felicity back then... It's not like that's a secret. MG talks about that all the time. 

(Can anyone read all of the writing?)

[LeighAn]

Marc is going to be doing a Facebook live. Prepare.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CW_Arrow/status/804017588871172096

[Belinea]

1 minute ago, LeighAn said:

Marc is going to be doing a Facebook live. Prepare.

I read this and immediately thought: Why is he doing this to people? Not even why is he doing this to himself but what did people do to deserve this? Is he going to explain the episode because nobody might get what is going on?

[ladylaw99]

For heavens sake, why?

[tv echo]

MG and SA should just shut up at this point.

[Chaser]

In general or did something else happen?

[calliope1975]

28 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

Marc is going to be doing a Facebook live. Prepare.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CW_Arrow/status/804017588871172096

That just seems like bad idea jeans all around. I suppose if he sticks to only show stuff, maybe...but I'm gonna pass. I trust I'll read about whatever boneheaded remarks he makes. 

[HighHopes]

[LeighAn]

Haha that was funny. Can we get more of this social media please?

[wonderwall]

https://twitter.com/MzKatieCassidy/status/804098794547793920

KC's dream come true lol

Still not a fan of the dress. Seriously Arrow, why is it that your regular outfits are 90% on point but then you choose the most horrendous wedding dresses?!

[Cleanqueen]

Wow she didn't even mention the show...I don't know whether to laugh or just side eye her.

And damn the pic seems a big egotistical to me.

[apinknightmare]

4 minutes ago, Cleanqueen said:

Wow she didn't even mention the show...I don't know whether to laugh or just side eye her.

I think the --> and 100 emoji was the mention.

[TwistedandBored]

I love the Challenge video. So cute. 

Anyways, I think KC looks healthy and pretty in that photo. 

[LeighAn]

If anything it was a little subdue for Katie.