Season 17 Live Feed Discussion: Watch People Sleep All Day!

[pennben]

I may need to nap for a couple of hours like James/Meg have done ALL DAY to keep up with tonight.  Honestly, if anything changes this week, Meg/James should get absolutely no credit....it will have nothing to do with them or what they want.

[Ceeg]

I don't think anything is gonna get flipped this eviction. But things should get interesting with the DE and upcoming HOHs.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

Stranger things has happened in Big Brother.  I laughed when I heard Natalie and Kevin's planning the Last Minute Lie but Jeff was hooked.

 

Then again, Natalie and Kevin had more game in their pinkie than James and Meg. Jeff was a Julia who could win comps, barely.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Deputy Deputy CoS

[Ceeg]

Plus, Meg and James think their plan hinges on Austin when it really hinges on JMac. They're assuming he would evict Julia, but little do they know Meg is apparently John's biggest target.

[peachmangosteen]

But, I still think James winning HOH is the worst case scenario for Vanessa, John, and Steve.

 

Guess I'm rooting for James to win DE HOH then. Which I think is actually impossible because he couldn't win a mental comp if his life depended on it.

 

I guess I'm gonna just root for Austwins now. I just REALLY don't want Vanessa, Steve, or John to win.

[Eolivet]

Yeah, there's no way Vanessa should trust any alliance that includes James. He's been vocal about getting her out, and from reports here, showed zero inclination to work with her the week he was on the block (unlike John, who spilled his guts to Vanessa). That alliance benefits Austin and Austin alone. I hope Vanessa sees this.

 

The thing is, yeah, James goes after "big targets" but he likes Austin/Liz/Julia more than Vanessa. All things being equal, he's not going to evict people he likes over people he doesn't like. That's basically summer camp's raison d'etre for wanting people out: I don't like you/You were mean to me.

[Cutty]

I don't think James is wrong for targeting Vanessa. She decimated his entire group and is the smartest player in the game (whether he knows this or not). If Vanessa did want to work with James it would just be to use him to do her dirty work. 

 

She's only working with JMac because she knows his gameplay has been terrible and she can beat him in the end. This whole JMac played so brilliantly by spilling the beans (about stuff she already knew, by the way) is hogwash. She had been trying to work him for a side alliance for weeks and it just fell into her lap, and thanks to this asinine returning juror crap she's going to reap the benefits. 

 

EDIT - spelling

Edited September 1, 2015 by Cutty

[blixie]

 

Vanessa wants Austin to sort of prod James and try to make him feel safe so that he'll throw HOH too, which isn't a bad idea.

 

I thought this was what J Mac might have been trying accomplish with his telling James his targets are Van/Steve, not just to cover his alliance but to DE-incentivize James towards HoH. Unfortunately I think it's better to recruit James to the Liztin out bus, while also convincing him he's not aligned with Van/Steve, and work him as his side option. I really want to believe in James getting HoH and putting all his guns blazing on Austwins, but he's really throwing out nothing but terrible indications he wants to swap places with Van as their 4th. I really do think James has shown that he's too lazy to just spontaneously come up with anything but desperately wants to be courted in terms of game play that's why Austin has the edge with him right now, he constantly takes care of that end of things always making him feel included even when they have obviously lied straight to Summer Camps faces.

 

I don't know if it's worse to be James and have clue and constantly dismiss it for dumb lies, or to be Meg who has no clue outside her personal bubble of fun.

[kellog010]

There are rumors on Jokers that Megaphone man may make an appearance and blow up Vanessa's game. Apparently ED mentioned it on his show or something. Hope that doesn't happen.

 

Meg / James are getting ready to start their Trojan Horse plan, funny how everyone is planning to stay awake late tonight. James should realize this plan is going to backfire. He doesn't know it but this plan hinges on them having John's vote which they are assuming is automatic.

 

ETA: So Vanessa is teaching Austin how to play chess with an audience of twins and Steve. Not like these people don't hang out all the time. I don't get how Meg / James can get the dynamics of the house so wrong. 

 

ETA2: Operation Trojan Horse apparently requires hours of sleeping to prepare.

Edited September 2, 2015 by kellog010

[mooses]

There are rumors on Jokers that Megaphone man may make an appearance and blow up Vanessa's game. Apparently ED mentioned it on his show or something. Hope that doesn't happen.

That would be awful. Finally a season with no ridiculous twists or meddling AG and it'd be ruined.

Now this is why we can't have nice things!

[Newbietunes]

Oh, thanks for posting Nashville, I feel so bad constantly posting back to back after myself.

 

Austin/Liz went to Vanessa to say it is okay to put up Julia; Steve came in; they tell him they are weighing pros/cons of Julia or him going up.  If Steve goes up, John will no longer think that she's working with Steve/Austin/twins (I think that is a nod to tell Steve how to play this conversation); if Julia goes up, it's good for Austin/twins to say to James that they had no choice but to take out Meg.  They seem to be settling on Julia, which is good for John/Steve/Vanessa, even though it gives Austin/twins an out to James.

 

This has just been a fantastic night! 

 

 

I may need to nap for a couple of hours like James/Meg have done ALL DAY to keep up with tonight.  Honestly, if anything changes this week, Meg/James should get absolutely no credit....it will have nothing to do with them or what they want.

 

Pennben, you are the best!

[Cutty]

Wait, so Austin wants to target James now? Wow. Vanessa misted him good. This is why I don't think much of his strategic game. Vanessa has virtually the whole house on board to weaken Austin, and she has convinced Austin to target the one person who wouldn't put him up. That's hilarious.

[bobthefrog]

Wait, so Austin wants to target James now? Wow. Vanessa misted him good. This is why I don't think much of his strategic game. Vanessa has virtually the whole house on board to weaken Austin, and she has convinced Austin to target the one person who wouldn't put him up. That's hilarious.

Austin has been.on board to target James since Friday.

[Cutty]

Austin is pretty clueless then. He should be using James to get Steve or John out. Vanessa always one step ahead.

Austin delusions are hilarious. He thinks he's loved and will parlay this into a hosting gig like Jeff Schroeder. LOL.

[thefog]

Vanessa is getting too much blood on her hands.  I am not convinced that if she makes the Final 2 she can muster the minimum 5 votes from the jury to win.  I am not convinced that people vote solely on game merit.  I'm sure there is some personal stake in the decision.

[Katesus7]

I think Vanessa is playing a great final 4/final 3 game. I don't think people want to go to the end with her, I believe she'd have to win the comps to get her there. But if she did get there, I don't know, maybe I'm naive, but I think people will reward her for playing her ass off, and winning those comps. I believe the jury was bitter about Dan not so much about the moves he made, but the fact that he had won before. And Ian makes for a much better innocent alternative than Steve or John or Julia.

I could be completely off base, it's possible that she can convince everyone she's the perfect final two, and it could be possible she's right. I just don't see it. Not yet.

I will say that if she gets to the final two, and doesn't win, it's 100% on her. 100%. Social game, and handling people going to the jury is a huge part of the later game. It's not just sussing out secrets, pitting people against each other, and finding "Reasons".

What is so frustrating and interesting and confounding about Vanessa is the longer I take a break from the feeds (and I haven't really had a chance to watch much in the past few days), the more I find myself rooting for her. Part of it is my extreme tendency to root for any woman I possibly can. I think a big part of it has been reading the great defenses and explanations about her game from you fine folks. And some of it is that I have a bad memory, and tend to forget how much she annoys the hell out of me.

All I know is I want her/John/Steve to survive the double eviction, and then I'll re-evaluate.

Edited September 2, 2015 by Katesus7

[mooses]

Seems like the Megaphone Man showed up and said something about Austin wanting Julia out.

If this changes anything it'd be so disappointing. Can't people just vent on then Internet like us normals?

ETA: Apparently this is what was actually said:

(1) Vote out Julia.

(2) Everyone wants Julia out (ed. note: meaning fans wants Julia out)

(3) Austin & Vanessa have deals with everyone.

Edited September 2, 2015 by mooses

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

Megaphone guy hates Austin and loves Meg/James.

[slasherboy]

What does it mean when they talk about "camping"?  Thanks.

[bobthefrog]

What does it mean when they talk about "camping"? Thanks.

It's usually code for sex (although it does occasionally refer to actual camping)

[pennben]

So, just after the yelling over the wall, James/John/Meg were in the HN room, they clearly heard at least the Austin wants Julia out portion.  John actually brings up the concept of Operation Trojan Horse before Meg/James introduce it (hee).  John is pushing that they get the vote 4-1 so it burns Austin; James/Meg pushing that the vote stay 3-2 so it burns Steve.  John was then up in HOH and didn't say anything to Vanessa/Steve about this info.  I don't think John would consider doing it if it burns Steve, so I think he would at least talk to him first and not leave him in the cold.  I can't believe that James/Meg are resisting the notion of just getting Steve on board rather than insisting on gettng Austin on board and leaving Steve out of the loop.

 

I really hate the wall yeller potentially affecting the game.....let it play out on its own terms.  Now I will absolutely give no credit to James/Meg since they were the last to even speak of the plan to anyone else besides themselves.

 

Anyway, that's all I flashed back to last night and from what I read not much else happened.  James/Meg/John are all asleep in the HN room, everyone else upstairs awake, so I don't see things progressing until this afternoon (when Meg is scheduled to talk to Austin).

Edited September 2, 2015 by pennben

[pennben]

Perhaps I spoke to soon, Meg got up to go to the bathroom; Austin, Austin of all people, was sent down to track her.  Meg is generally telling Austin that having three to protect is not great for Austin, something for him to think about.  Austin is saying he's aware of that, but is saying this is the wrong week for him (not that he ever hoped to have to target one of the twins (he really wants it to be Liz/Julia on block if he has to choose)).  Austin says he hates that it is Meg that is up against Julia as he'd like to keep her but can't as he doesn't want to be douchebag (ahem).  Julia comes down to the bathroom to break this up, Meg goes back to bed.  No hardsell tonight, think it will have to be James that talks to Austin to see if the plan could work.

Edited September 2, 2015 by pennben

[Ceeg]

Seems like the Megaphone Man showed up and said something about Austin wanting Julia out.

ETA: Apparently this is what was actually said:

(1) Vote out Julia.

(2) Everyone wants Julia out (ed. note: meaning fans wants Julia out)

(3) Austin & Vanessa have deals with everyone.

If someone is going to bother to attempt to infiltrate the BB house and yell things over the wall, you'd think they would come up with something better than that. 

[Eolivet]

Like "Derrick is an undercover cop."

[Starla]

I appreciate Steve's oddness and will probably vote for him if there is an America's Favorite vote this year, but the likelihood of him winning is next to zero. He's way too non-standard for the mainstream.

[peachmangosteen]

What is so frustrating and interesting and confounding about Vanessa is the longer I take a break from the feeds (and I haven't really had a chance to watch much in the past few days), the more I find myself rooting for her. Part of it is my extreme tendency to root for any woman I possibly can. I think a big part of it has been reading the great defenses and explanations about her game from you fine folks. And some of it is that I have a bad memory, and tend to forget how much she annoys the hell out of me.

 

This is so me. If I don't watch the feeds much for a couple days I'm like 'OK I'm cool with Vanessa winning,' but the second I see her on the feeds again I'm immediately like "NOPE!" I wish I could root for Vanessa, I would love to root for her, but I truly can not stand her personality or gameplay so I just can't really bring myself to that point.

[blixie]

I had my issues with Johnny Mac's loud talking and bizarre-bad game play, but if things stay solid for Steve/Van/John to F3/4 with a Julia or James in there I'm good with him winning Fan Favorite (though my vote is obviously Van all day), his managing not to call any women in the house cunts is helpful in that respect, and also getting a clue about Austwins without needing a map....James. 

 

I am usually all about a flip, but it's Meg v. Julia and overall I think getting rid of Meg is better for my viewing pleasure so it sharpens up James game play if not improves his actual game position, and I think of the three Austwins Julia is the ONLY one who shouldn't be voted out. Stupid Megaphone mofo.

[Lady Calypso]

Steve was telling Vanessa that he thinks he has a good shot at America's Player. How clueless can he be? That man is very strange. He creeps me out. I don't like him at all.

 

Well he's a better candidate than Austin, Liz or even Vanessa. He definitely has his issues (the online feeders HATE him for getting out Jackie, which, ok then bitter stans), and I doubt he'll even make top three of AFP, but he's not the least likely candidate. 

[peachmangosteen]

(the online feeders HATE him for getting out Jackie, which, ok then bitter stans)

 

I hate Steve for so many more reasons than this! This actually isn't even on the list of reasons lol.

 

I bet Steve is top 3 for America's Fave. It'll probably be John, James, Steve, in that order.

[Ceeg]

If Steve grows a backbone, wins HOH, and evicts an Austwin, I think his popularity will shoot up.

[ProfCrash]

I am guessing hat James wins it based on his jokes in the house. Viewers are going to see him as fun loving  and light hearted.

[Former Nun]

I really hate the wall yeller potentially affecting the game.....let it play out on its own terms.

 

 

Production would never allow THAT to happen.  They manipulate events every minute of every day.

[Ceeg]

Production would never allow THAT to happen.  They manipulate events every minute of every day.

Other than the lopsided physical endurance comps, which IMO were aimed at giving the ADC group more chances at power, I don't think production interference has been that bad this season. I'm almost certain that if production had their choice, F&G would not be 5 of the final 7.

 

Watching the feeds from last night, I'm not sure if Meg and James are just conceding, or if they really are so dumb. Maybe both. But pretty much all night, the chess club (a.k.a. F&G with a bit of JMac) were hanging out together the whole time. I do think it's kind of cute and nerdy how into chess all of them are. Even Liz and Julia.

[mooses]

I am guessing hat James wins it based on his jokes in the house. Viewers are going to see him as fun loving and light hearted.

James will win it, which is understandable. He's talked about it a lot though, which is annoying.

Steve doesn't have a shot.

[Skittl1321]

 

I am guessing hat James wins it based on his jokes in the house. Viewers are going to see him as fun loving and light hearted.

I liked James until they started showing those.  Now I just think he's an ass.

 

Of course, I'm not going to vote. 

[MrsMommy]

Unpopular opinion here but I hope James wins with either Steve or john in 2nd

[gunderda]

I hope James wins.  James does talk about it a lot but I think he's usually joking.

Steve and Austin on the other hand are not.

[pennben]

 

I liked James until they started showing those [pranks].

 

Yep.  I have no use for those let's scare the shit out of someone "pranks".  I did notice that there have been no pranks from James since he was on the block this week.  Let's hope he has realized which game to focus on.  I truly do think he'd be better at the game if Meg left.

Edited September 2, 2015 by pennben

[Cutty]

I don't know. I think John has AFP locked up. James will finish second. I don't know why Steve thinks he's so special. The ants got more airtime than him the first month and a half of the show.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

John is the only individual houseguest who trends on Thursday nights, if that is any indication, he has AF in the bag.

 

I also dislike how hyper aware James and Meg are of being favoured. James talks about perception too much, it makes me think some of this tactics are calculating even if not very clever. 

[Cutty]

I think the DR plays into that. Meg basically said they told her they were the underdogs.

[Ceeg]

I think the DR plays into that. Meg basically said they told her they were the underdogs.

If Meg needed the DR to tell her that, then she's even dumber than I thought. 

[MV007]

If Meg needed the DR to tell her that, then she's even dumber than I thought. 

 

Consider this confirmation.

[Vicky]

Yesterday Austin tried to stop Liz from jump roping because live-feeders really enjoy a blond girl in a bikini jump roping (FYI not all live feeders) and he says it's gross that they're watching her.  (Isn't it kinda gross that he thought of it that way?).  

But, he doesn't mind doing all their crazy bed stuff (which I've successfully avoided seeing with my own eyes 95% of the time) which has done more to ruin both their reputations than either his obsessive stretching and exercising or her periodic efforts at aerobics.  

 

Neither one of them really like each other.  

Austin thinks he's in love with her, but the minute they get out in the real world he'll discover she's much more flirty and capable than he's comfortable with.  He wants a woman who is in need of protection and admires him constantly. I find his efforts to keep Liz from being herself - whatever that self is - to be really disturbing.

Liz has fallen for him only in the sense that she's a caged animal making the best of a bad situation to survive and she's deluded herself into thinking this might work out.  As soon as she's out of the house and this game is over, she won't even understand how she could have given him so much of herself.

 

Ugh - I don't like any of this.

That's my opinion based on the two dimensional people I'm seeing...They're probably both wonderful people in real life.  Right?

[Laika]

From Jokers:

 

1:15 PM The next HOH is a chance game. They get to practice!

 

Well crap.

[Ceeg]

Shit. If James wins this HOH, and fucks everything up and gives the Austwins Final 3, Imma be pissed.

 

If James wins, either Vanessa or Steve will go home. And now we have a top 6 with the Austwins, Steve who will do nothing, James who can't win the Final 6 HOH, and John who has yet to win an HOH. SIGH. John, pleeeease practice a lot and win this HOH.

Edited September 2, 2015 by Ceeg

[bobthefrog]

They got a card with the practice game that said "We strongly encourage everyone to try". Vanessa thinks that this might mean that there will be a DE on Thursday and that this will be the SECOND HoH comp.

[Cutty]

Yeah, this is most likely the second HOH.

[Nashville]

So, Austin was telling Liz/Julia a bit ago how it was lucky he stayed up last night because Meg spent a lot of time outside with Steve and Austin was up to keep an eye out.  This leads Julia to start freaking out about being on the block to Liz and saying she'll never do it again.  Austin encourages Steve to go talk to Liz/Julia, which he does and completely promises his vote to keep Julia, so she has nothing to worry about.  They seem okay.

 

Hmmmmm... so why might Austin want to play up Julia's paranoia about Steve? Golly gee willickers, I wonder...

 

Holy Shit! Steve came up after Austin/Liz left HOH, Vanessa openly wonders to Steve whether he thinks it is in Austin's mind that it is good for Julia to go home this week and blame it on Steve. 

 

  

Oh, yeah. THAT.

Vanessa is getting too much blood on her hands.  I am not convinced that if she makes the Final 2 she can muster the minimum 5 votes from the jury to win.  I am not convinced that people vote solely on game merit.  I'm sure there is some personal stake in the decision.

Of course they don't. If they did, Russell Hantz would be a two-time Survivor winner. ;)

IMHO this is the hardest pill for the "master strategist" types to swallow - that sometimes the purest of strategies cannot overcome a sufficiently bad social game. V is a perfect example; she fears so caught up in the strategic side of the gameplay she occasionally (frequently?) forgets there's a social side as well. To her credit V does remember on occasion, and when she does she can project quite an appealing personality - but V is usually too soon OH LOOK A SQUIRREL distracted, and when she comes back to the conversation at hand she's already back in Gamebot Engaged mode. I don't know if her occasional lapses into social engagement will be enough to overcome a Bad Karma Jury.

[Ceeg]

I'm watching some of the early morning F&G conversation from today, and at least Vanessa has some self-awareness about her position in the house and with the jury. She knows she's hated by the jury and blamed for everything bad that's happened, whether it's earned or not. I think she knows her social game is lacking, but she also concedes there's not a lot she can do about it. 

 

They made a good point in that conversation. F&G will have most likely have at least 1 member in the F2. If it's 1 person, they have 4 votes (assuming no one fucks anyone over), at the very least. If it's 2 F&G members, that's an automatic F&G win. Which is cool for an alliance that started so early.