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Ceeg
Ceeg

I AM LAUGHING SO HARD OH MY GOD

pennben
pennben

Helen still thinks it is too soon to take out Amanda.

Callaphera
Callaphera

Julia to Liz about Austin: "I really hope you're more loyal to me than him." and "I can't trust him. He disgusts me. I'm not going to be nice to him. I can't fake it."   I think I love Julia.

Hanahope

Hanahope

Well, I guess V's winning the veto means no back-door this week, if that was ever the real plan.

 

Perhaps the reason why Liz can't get "into" Austin's kissing is because she knows its being filmed.  I'm not sure I could completely let myself relax enough to enjoy something like that if I knew a camera was on it the whole time.

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Stinamaia

Stinamaia

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Well, I guess V's winning the veto means no back-door this week, if that was ever the real plan.

Perhaps the reason why Liz can't get "into" Austin's kissing is because she knows its being filmed. I'm not sure I could completely let myself relax enough to enjoy something like that if I knew a camera was on it the whole time.

She has said that she doesn't like the way he kisses -- specifically his use of tongue. In her words, hes a "bad kisser." This is a problem because he wants to make out all the time. I don't think it has anything to do with being on camera.

A man who is a really good kisser can make a girl forget a whole lot.

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SiobhanJW

SiobhanJW

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I think not using the Veto and putting up James is a HUGE mistake. But what do I know. Lol. And Austins reasoning is, well I like James and he's my friend is so ridiculous. James was friends with Clay and had no problem putting Clelli up on the block, you seriously don't think he won't do the same to you, you are OUT OF YOUR MIND.

I kinda hope it's a revolving door and whomever leaves comes right back and goes guns a blazing at the AusTwins with Vanessas help! Or that James wins and puts the AusTwins up cuz both him and Meg discussed the other night that they DO NOT want to get to the F5 with AusTwins.

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Ceeg

Ceeg

I don't really think there's a huge difference at this point on who they decide to evict Thursday: James, Meg, John, or Steve. Meg can't win a comp, so she'd likely not get the buyback anyway. James could win an endurance, but since the past 3 Thursdays have been long comps, I don't think there will be another one so soon. Leaving Meg and James together could be bad for F&G if Jackie or Becky come back in the house. John is pretty useless and Steve is sneaky, but leaving them both here would probably be better for Vanessa's LT game and not so much the Austwins. Leaving John could also be bad if Shelli is the one who comes back.

Really though, evicting anyone other than Vanessa is a good move for the Austwins this week. Because next week, both Vanessa and the returning juror are going to be pretty good sized shields for the Austwins.

I really don't like Becky at all, both on a personal level and a game level, but at this point, she really might be the only one with the ability and knowledge to specifically go after the Austwins. Unless Shelli and Becky warp her mind in the jury house. The cult mentality is real.

kellog010

kellog010

I've been thinking the best shot is that if John is evicted, he or Becky win the return comp. Steve would have no choice but to work with Vanessa and I think Becky and John could work with her as well. This would make it 3 x 3 x 2 in the house and Becky/John or Steve could go for the twins. I think Shelli or Jackie coming back wouldn't work out. Jackie would go to James/Meg but Meg is a liability to them and they would likely target Vanessa and Steve/John and returning juror over the Austwins to be safe. Shelli may be too focused on Vanessa and would likely try to cater to the Austwins as well. I think if no one takes a shot next week at the Austwins, they will steamroll over the house.

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TheRealT

TheRealT

Does anyone have even a vague plan to target the Austwins that they've spoken out loud? I saw the Meg/James middle of the night convo in which it dawned on them that a F5 with the Austwins is bad for them, but I didn't hear them say that breaking them up was a priority. It seems like people have finally realized that sticking with the Austwins to the end is a bad idea, but they're all hoping that someone else will pull the trigger. Would anyone actually put up 2 Austwins next week? It doesn't seem like it.

blixie

blixie

 

Does anyone have even a vague plan to target the Austwins that they've spoken out loud?

 

Vanessa, talked to Steve about it, I think during Liz's HoH week,  in vague terms about going after at LEAST the twins, and said, "You're smart. Do the math.". But I'm sure she meant the power of 3. I think both he and Vanessa have always known they have to break it up, but neither can do it since they are allied so strongly to the twins and at least Steve likes them a great deal.

 

It's why I've been so baffled by his completely dropping V like a rock, and going all in with Johnny Mac. I realize that Liz and Austin won back to back HoH's so he's playing the weak game to stick around, but really now. He couldn't see that Van/Steve was their #1 allegiance? And Steve/John the least of it? Steve I want to root for you bud, but wow, I just can't believe it took him this long to think of alternate if temporary alliance of bigger than TWO people. He really needed to live through being told Meg/James weren't being put up bit to get it? Sigh.

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Laika

Laika

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Depressingly enough, I don't think anyone would target the Austwins next week. James and Meg would feel indebted to them for not putting them up this week and I feel like Vanessa is still tops on their radar. Obviously, Vanessa can't put them up. I have no idea what Steve or JMac would do since each is all over the place. Of the possible returnees, I think only Shelli could be convinced to target them, but she was very anti-Vanessa with her post eviction interviews and her dislike will only grow with Becky and Jackie her only companions in the Jury House.

 

I actually don't mind the twins (particularly Julia) but I need Austin gone.  

 

My dream would be Shelli or Becky return, get a clue that the Austwins are a freaking juggernaut, squash their individual beefs with Vanessa, and team up with her and Steve/JMac to take the rest of the house out. 

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Ceeg

Ceeg

Vanessa, talked to Steve about it, I think during Liz's HoH week,  in vague terms about going after at LEAST the twins, and said, "You're smart. Do the math.". But I'm sure she meant the power of 3. I think both he and Vanessa have always known they have to break it up, but neither can do it since they are allied so strongly to the twins and at least Steve likes them a great deal.

She also talked with him a little bit yesterday too. That was the point of her trying to form a tentative alliance between herself, Steve, and John. Basically, get out Meg, James, and the returning HG, and then it's 3 vs. 3. Now that plan has blown up, but I guess it's possible JMac could come back right after he leaves. Which IMO would be hysterical. It would basically make Austin's entire HOH null and void.

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cocobeans

cocobeans

Listening to Vanessa talk, and talk, and talk, and talk and talk about the same damn stuff drives me nuts in short bursts of feed clips - I'll never understand how the hamsters have survived it in person.  Vanessa must have watched the movie the Usual Suspects, repeatedly.  She is Keyser Soze :-)

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Waldo13

Waldo13

The Liz.conundrum.

I think there are a few things going on, but it's difficult for me to sort out because I have to put my distaste for Austin aside to make a fair assessment. I do think at first Liz was just using him although she had no distaste for him the way Julia does. It seems to me that Liz is find of the way Austin adores her, and has some pride that he dumped his girlfriend for her, see e.g. Liz's response to the Zing (I got a compliment.) The house is also a place where one feels exposed and Liz feels sheltered by Austin. I think that wins her affection too. She might be laying it on thick, but she told Austin he was the only one she could couldn't do it without him, and she couldn't rely on Julia. I think she meant more for power than loyality. I don't think she could allow the access to her body if she didn't have some affection /attraction to him.

She also muses about how her parents will feel about his tattoos.. (She might well wonder about how the feel seeing her being pawed and fingered and possessed by a man in is thirties whose professional life seems dim and whose appearance is strange even without tattoos.)

On the other hand, she clearly isn't as into him as he is to her. Liz wants to pull away although he seldom honors that wish. That would annoy me beyond anything. Apparently, it doesn't bother Liz as much. Liz seems to want to stay as attached to him as she can. It's hard for me to believe that she would have a serious attachment to someone who her sister does not like in any level.

If Austin wins the game, I expect Liz to remain in his orbit for some time. The realization that Austin is not popular and that people find their relationship repulsive will end things more quickly if someone else wins. Either way, the mysterious aura of the house will dissipate.

Did anyone see the You Tube clip of Austin saying he was in love with his girlfriend?

IMO what Liz/Austin boils down to is the fact that after all this time in the house, Liz is horny. At least with Christine, of BB16, Cody is good looking.

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blixie

blixie

 

. That was the point of her trying to form a tentative alliance between herself, Steve, and John. Basically, get out Meg, James, and the returning HG, and then it's 3 vs. 3. Now that plan has blown up,

 

Yeah that's why I wasn't a huge fan of that plan, I knew it was way easier for Austin to just evict John than to burn himself with James/Meg, who have actually *done* things for Austwins when in power, vs. John who has never even bothered trying to be in power and thus can't be seen to have done anything for them.

 

I understand her thinking, but I just never saw that working, this is where Van needs to work on her FLEXIBILITY because she has so many unknowns: will the next HoH go after Austwins, if so which one will walk out, and third when is the next HG walking in and can she work with that person instead of automatically viewing them as the enemy/other side?

 

I don't know how the reintroduced HG works, is it an add than, HoH, or a HoH, and than an add, I mean I assume it's the first, but it seems like letting them back in AND letting them have a shot at HoH is a bit much.

Stinamaia

Stinamaia

Yeah that's why I wasn't a huge fan of that plan, I knew it was way easier for Austin to just evict John than to burn himself with James/Meg, who have actually *done* things for Austwins when in power, vs. John who has never even bothered trying to be in power and thus can't be seen to have done anything for them.

 

I understand her thinking, but I just never saw that working, this is where Van needs to work on her FLEXIBILITY because she has so many unknowns: will the next HoH go after Austwins, if so which one will walk out, and third when is the next HG walking in and can she work with that person instead of automatically viewing them as the enemy/other side?

 

I don't know how the reintroduced HG works, is it an add than, HoH, or a HoH, and than an add, I mean I assume it's the first, but it seems like letting them back in AND letting them have a shot at HoH is a bit much.

I love the returnee having a shot at winning HOH because it makes things so much more shaky for the current powers. I mean, normally I cheer for the underdogs because I like them better. I guess I just like clueless players. Last year, I liked Derrick, but I liked the underdogs more and I couldn't stand his alliance.

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Laika

Laika

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I don't know how the reintroduced HG works, is it an add than, HoH, or a HoH, and than an add, I mean I assume it's the first, but it seems like letting them back in AND letting them have a shot at HoH is a bit much.

 

Last season, Jocasta, Nicole, Hayden, and Zach battled it out to return to the game (with Nicole winning) and after that, the HGs, including the newly returned Nicole, competed for HOH (alas, Cody won.) Interestingly enough, the HOH comp was a "remember the days" competition, not an endurance comp.

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Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

I don't know how the reintroduced HG works, is it an add than, HoH, or a HoH, and than an add, I mean I assume it's the first, but it seems like letting them back in AND letting them have a shot at HoH is a bit much.

 

Yeah, so last year, it did work out that the jurors competed to come back in first, then the returned juror competed for HOH. The year before that, the jurors joined the other houesguests for the HOH comp and whoever was the last juror standing would come back in the house, but they had to stay up so they could try to win HOH.

 

Here's the thing about returning jurors that I've noticed (I've only been watching the show since season 12, mind you): once a returned juror returns, they're immediately targeted that same week if they don't win HOH. Last season was different because Donny was their first target so they got rid of Donny, but Nicole still ended up on the block because she didn't win HOH. So it has been a waste for the returned jurors because the whole house just guns for them to go anyway that same week. I think they've done this in earlier seasons (unsure which ones) but when a returned juror comes back in the game, they really should have either immunity for that week, or they automatically win HOH. That way, the house doesn't derail just to get that one juror out again. It feels ridiculous to have the buyback competitions, only to have that person evicted that same week, or the week after in Nicole's case. 

 

So, let's say Becky wins the juror competition and comes back into the house. If Liz wins HOH again, she's gone. Same with Jackie, and possibly same with Shelli. This season, I have slightly higher hopes that the juror can last longer, but it's much easier just to give them full immunity for that week so we don't just see them walking back out the door a week later. 

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Ceeg

Ceeg

Last season I'm pretty sure Jocasta, Nicole, Hayden, and Zach battled it out to return to the game (with Nicole winning) and after that, the HGs, including the newly returned Nicole, competed for HOH (alas, Cody won.) Interestingly enough, the HOH comp was a "remember the days" competition, not an endurance comp.

I think everyone in the house is pretty much thinking the Days comp will be the upcoming HOH one, for whatever reason. Which, IMO favors Vanessa or Steve. Vanessa really wants to win that one anyway, because her pride is on the line, since Steve told the twins that he will definitely beat her in it. If it is the Days comp, I don't think Meg or James have much of a shot at it but who knows.

 

Yeah, so last year, it did work out that the jurors competed to come back in first, then the returned juror competed for HOH. The year before that, the jurors joined the other houesguests for the HOH comp and whoever was the last juror standing would come back in the house, but they had to stay up so they could try to win HOH.

 

Here's the thing about returning jurors that I've noticed (I've only been watching the show since season 12, mind you): once a returned juror returns, they're immediately targeted that same week if they don't win HOH. Last season was different because Donny was their first target so they got rid of Donny, but Nicole still ended up on the block because she didn't win HOH. So it has been a waste for the returned jurors because the whole house just guns for them to go anyway that same week. I think they've done this in earlier seasons (unsure which ones) but when a returned juror comes back in the game, they really should have either immunity for that week, or they automatically win HOH. That way, the house doesn't derail just to get that one juror out again. It feels ridiculous to have the buyback competitions, only to have that person evicted that same week, or the week after in Nicole's case. 

I don't mind the returning HG being the target, because IMO it's ridiculous they get a 2nd shot at the game anyway. I think it would be extra unfair if someone who's already been evicted gets to not only come back, but gets a free week while others who lasted longer have to be evicted.

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Maverick

Maverick

Year before that it was combined. They did the hang on the wall comp and the last evictee standing returned and the last person standing (whether evictee or HG) won HOH. It seems like they've been listening to fans somewhat this year so maybe they'll do a combined comp again using the pressure cooker.

blixie

blixie

 

I think they've done this in earlier seasons (unsure which ones) but when a returned juror comes back in the game, they really should have either immunity for that week, or they automatically win HOH.

 

That's why I wish they'd mix it up and drop then in POST noms, pre Veto. so there in it just to fuck the vote up for at least half a week, before they have to play in HoH and get targeted the next.

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Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

I think everyone in the house is pretty much thinking the Days comp will be the upcoming HOH one, for whatever reason. Which, IMO favors Vanessa or Steve. Vanessa really wants to win that one anyway, because her pride is on the line, since Steve told the twins that he will definitely beat her in it. If it is the Days comp, I don't think Meg or James have much of a shot at it but who knows.

 

I don't mind the returning HG being the target, because IMO it's ridiculous they get a 2nd shot at the game anyway. I think it would be extra unfair if someone who's already been evicted gets to not only come back, but gets a free week while others who lasted longer have to be evicted.

 

I actually agree with you; these people get evicted for a reason. Sometimes it's unfair, but that's just how the game works. It's a waste to have these comps because all it does is set the game back a week. Plus, we already have Julia as an extra houseguest this season, so that means an extra week (or a second DE) but now there's another extra week/DE? That's WAY too many in an already packed season. But if they're going to do this, why not make it slightly more interesting and have the juror stick around and cause some tension by being HOH, or being immune? It beats making them the target and having us all wonder why they do this if the juror is just going to get immediately evicted. 

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Ceeg

Ceeg

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the evicted HG is automatically going to be evicted immediately again. They can win HOH and Veto, or they can try to team up and get others out. Judd did it in BB15, when they formed the Exterminators. I think he lasted through 4 more evictions after he came back.

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Laika

Laika

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the evicted HG is automatically going to be evicted immediately again. They can win HOH and Veto, or they can try to team up and get others out. Judd did it in BB15, when they formed the Exterminators. I think he lasted through 4 more evictions after he came back.

 

Yes I remember being so excited the week Judd returned because Elissa won HOH also. They agreed to work with each other to get McCranda out and then Elissa stupidly put Aaryn and McCrae up, Amanda won veto, and took McCrae down. Then the Judd/Elissa alliance crumbled, but he did manage to stay in the game for awhile. That competition was the one where they stood on a platform and had to catch balls. I believe they already did that comp this season (week one maybe?) so I doubt that will be used again.  

Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the evicted HG is automatically going to be evicted immediately again. They can win HOH and Veto, or they can try to team up and get others out. Judd did it in BB15, when they formed the Exterminators. I think he lasted through 4 more evictions after he came back.

 

True, but I remember Elissa won that HOH and the house (Amanda) tried to convince her to put up Judd and band together against him, and it was her basically saying 'no, I'm not wasting my HOH on Judd and I want to go after who I've wanted to go after for weeks' that got him safe. It allowed Judd to build up relationships again and he stuck to the majority side until they decided he had to go. If Elissa hadn't have won that week, Judd would have most likely gone back to jury. You're right, though. It does depend on the situation but in this case, if Becky, Jackie or Shelli come back, the house is for sure going to target them, to avoid blood on their hands. If they don't win HOH or Veto this upcoming week, it's just going to be a waste, unless the returning juror can convince the HOH that they're worth keeping around.

Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

Also, with Vanessa in the house, she'll surely make up crazy theories about the evicted juror that'll get them evicted anyway, because most of these houseguests apparently believe anything she says.

 

I can't with this guy.

 

Wow, dude, wow. I can't with Austin. Go back to your Medieval Romantic Literature stuff and wrestling with your shitty personality, because there's no way in hell you and Liz last past a few weeks outside of the house, if not her dumping you the very next day after the finale.

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Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

God, if Vanessa could somehow actually believe them and turn against the Austwins, that would be glorious. If Vanessa was super magic and a witch, I wish she could somehow convince Austin to put up Liz so that she can ensure Johnny Mac to go home as she doesn't want the chance of Steve leaving and then have everyone vote out Liz. That'll never ever ever happen, but if Liz got evicted by Austin's hand, I would laugh for years. 

 

That's just me dreaming. But the fact that tea is being spilled to Vanessa is glorious.

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Ceeg

Ceeg

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Vanessa is PISSED, you can practically see steam coming out of her ears. The twins are pissed at JMac because he spilled the beans. If this ends in Vanessa taking John off the block, because she's pissed at Steve and wants John to stay, I will cackle with glee. And I don't even like John.

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Laika

Laika

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Vanessa is PISSED, you can practically see steam coming out of her ears. The twins are pissed at JMac because he spilled the beans. If the ends in Vanessa taking John off the block, because she's pissed at Steve and wants John to stay, I will cackle with glee. And I don't even like John.

 

Wow. That would be the most epic thing ever. She won't do it though. He still wouldn't have the votes.

 

But I love that the Austwins are squirming right now.

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Katesus7

Katesus7

Dear Vanessa:  Every single person in this house has been perfectly fine with you getting booted.  Every one. Including the Austwins.  But luckily for you, they were perfectly happy to use you as their shield, which is why you are still in the house.  Deal with it already. Sheesh.

 

Johnny Mac is so gone after this, though.  Meg and James will listen to the Austwins over Vanessa as to who to vote out. 

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Nashville

Nashville

I'm not even sure that hat is James'. Julia and John have both also worn it a few times, so it could be one of their's.

  

Didn't it come into the House in Liz's HoH basket?

How do these HGs not snap and throw a bucket of water in Vanessa's face while she's ranting about her integrity? 

Vanessa currently throwing everyone UTB to Meg now. This chick is such a goddamn trainwreck.

Also, why do these people let Vanessa interrogate them like this? She's not HOH for fucks sake.

  

When Vanessa is on one of her talking-90mph-and-Cue Waterworks!™ rants, I wish - just once, mind you - somebody would sit V down (preferably in front of witnesses), look her straight in the eye, and say, "Sorry, chica, if your comprehension levels aren't up to the task, but it's not my job to explain everything over and over and over and over again to you until it meets your satisfaction. So get over it - and while you're at it, get over yourself, 'cause I don't owe you shit, Sheila."

Then just walk away - and immediately win the next HoH. The ensuing week would be TREMENDOUS.

Austin just asked Liz to be his girlfriend. She said yes.

 

Oh how wonderful. I'm all a-quiver. Somebody get me a fucking tissue.

 

I continue to be confused whether Liz really likes Austin. She's giving THs about liking him, but she told Julia today that he's not a good kisser because he doesn't know what to do with his tongue. She also complained that he wants to make out all the time.

Back on TWoP during the anal violation which was BB15, we had many discussions about the personality types on the show (actually the discussions where in many cases more along the lines of "What kind of fucked-up monkeys did they cast this season???" - but I digress). One such discussion centered around GM and her near-schizo flip flops between nice and horrible personalities. We (well... I did, at least) came to the conclusion GM was a "amplifier/reflector" personality; to gain social acceptance, GM picked up on the emotions / biases / likes / dislikes / etc. of whoever she was talking to, cranked them up a notch or ten, and reflected them back to the other party in the conversation to establish an empathetic bond. So when talking to a "nice" person, GM could be sweet as pie; when talking to a racist, however, she came off like she was looking for a pillowcase and a hair of scissors to get ready for next Friday's cross-burning.

My point - and I do have one - is this: I think Liz is a similar personality type, although MUCH more attenuated - more "reflector" than "amplifier/reflector":

  • When Liz is talking to Austin she reflects his amorous attractions, albeit usually in a much less intense fashion.
  • When talking to Julia (who invariably expresses distaste for Austin), Liz has no problems shifting gears and expressing similar disdain for the man she was hugging and kissing just a few minutes earlier.
  • When discussing any HG with any other HG, Liz's conversations follow a constant stream of, " omigawwwd, I feel the exact same waaaaayyyyy-uhhhh...."
So - outside of her sister Julia, I don't think we can count on having an accurate read on how Liz feels about anybody in the House, because we've never heard HER true feelings about anyone - just reflections of other HG's feelings. This would also explain Liz's seemingly scatterbrained flip-flops between who she does/doesn't want evicted - she's rarely if ever espouses her own opinions, usually choosing instead to echo back those opinions being expressed to her.
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mooses

mooses

Vanessa is PISSED, you can practically see steam coming out of her ears. The twins are pissed at JMac because he spilled the beans. If this ends in Vanessa taking John off the block, because she's pissed at Steve and wants John to stay, I will cackle with glee. And I don't even like John.

Finally! It could be Vanessa/Steve versus Austwins/James/Meg and the returning juror next week. I don't see her changing the nominations this week though - it's too risky with the twins controlling the votes and the power in numbers they'll have from here on out.

I'd say she has to stay calm, make up and act like she forgives them, but I don't know if she has it in her to let things go. But now she has a REASON to throw the Austwins UTB next week whether she has HOH or not.

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Ceeg

Ceeg

(edited)

Apparently Steve asked Austin IN FRONT of Meg and James if he was the orchestrator of the 5 person deal. This should maybe clue James and Meg into the fact that the Austwins are playing all sides of the house? Nah, it'll go right over their heads sadly.

Didn't we say like a month ago, that the Sixth Sense could have literally shouted through the house they were a 6-person alliance, and the ADC still wouldn't get it.

Meg and James will stay clueless because they don't like thinking too hard about things.

 

ETA: Steve has now apologized to Austin about 20 times for "unintentionally attacking" him.

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Stinamaia

Stinamaia

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Tough shit, Austin. You should have put Vanessa up when you had a chance. In fact, it should be in the BB rules that if your target comes to you and makes you change your mind, the target MUST go.

This is so classic Vanessa. She's implementing her victim strategy when she is no victim at all. She has talked about getting rid of Steve many times, thrown him UTB many times, but now she is the victim. In fact, I think her whole origin myth centers around her being the victim. I feel bad for her girlfriend.

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