S07.E09: Birthday In The Berks

[Persnickety1]

I don't think Bethenny and Heather would have been there - it would have been the caregivers.  And I think choosing not to have one's children play with another person's children just because one doesn't like the other person is drawing children into one's disputes and taking it out on them.  They suffer as well.  I say this as someone who has had nursery school age children and understand the dynamic well. 

 

 

Eh, maybe if the offer had come from Kristen.  I believe her kids are closer in age to Brynn than Heather's kids are.  

 

Personally, there's no way in hell I'd have arranged playdates for my daughter with children of someone I either did not know well or did not personally care for.  I doubt my daughter's socialization skills suffered due to my decisions on with whom to accept playdates.

 

MMV, of course.

 

Heather reminded me of a former NYC housewife with her in-your-face/in-your-business/hovering/helicoptering bullshit last night.

 

Jill Zarin.

 

Perhaps Bethenny also sees these traits in Heather and, after Bethenny's own experience with Jill and her goddamned busybody shit, maybe that's why she apparently doesn't care for Heather and doesn't want to get to know her better.  Could be totally subconscious on Bethenny's part.  I know on several occasions throughout my existence I've encountered people that I frankly didn't like on sight, for no rational reason, just "something" about them that I couldn't put my finger on.

 

Of course, later, I'd realize that the reason I didn't take an immediate liking to the person was because they looked or acted similar to a person I previously had an issue with.

 

Heather really needs to cool her damned jets.  She started off the season with her ridiculous announcement about Bethenny owing LuAnn a car, then to trying to gossip about Ramona to Bethenny as if Bethenny had never even met Ramona, then to the tale of woe about Kristen's lack of invite to Bethenny's party, then to critiquing Bethenny's custody arrangement, then to insinuating herself into Bethenny's conversation with Dorinda about what was on the menu.

 

Andddddd all of those busybody behaviors definitely give off a whiff of Jill Zarin bullshit to me.  

[Trooper York]

A whiff of Jill Zarin? I wonder what that would smell like? Stale gefilte fish and envy?

[Persnickety1]

A whiff of Jill Zarin? I wonder what that would smell like? Stale gefilte fish and envy?

 

With a not-so-subtle waft of betrayal and burned latkes.

 

I'm pretty sure the way Jill betrayed Bethenny in that lame-assed attempt to create a storyline certainly didn't help Bethenny's lack of trust.  What a piece of work her "best friend" Jill turned out to be.

 

Ugh.  

[film noire]

But Beth and Sonja were having a disruptive conversation that was distracting other conversations that were being had at the table. I mean really. Was it really not completely obvious how inappropriately Beth and Sonja were behaving at the table. I mean don't we correct children for behaving like that during dinner? No seriously. I'm completely confused as to how it is not absolutely clear the behavior in which Heather was having an issue with. Uhhhh, the behavior that most people would find completely rude and obnoxious while dining with others. 

 

I don't agree with your characterization, but even if I did, Dorinda was sitting right by Sonja and Bethenny, and it was *her place*, as hostess, to decide how to handle any disruption at her own table. Heather had no right to usurp /ignore/blow off Dorinda's position as mistress of her own home and party (a birthday party, yet). So controlling -- and yet, no impulse control at all.

Edited June 4, 2015 by film noire

[comatoast]

In other words, you hate Bethenny and it doesn't really matter what she does or says, or why, you'll never think it's good or justified.

 

The same can be said for those who dislike ANY of the other housewives.

As someone who kind of likes them all and who has also disliked them all on different occasions, I think the same can be said for fans of a particular housewife. In other words, you love Housewife X and it doesn't really matter what she does or says, or why, you'll always think it's good and justified.

Sometimes every single thing a housewife does is perceived as wrong because, well, she is just an evil bitch, and sometimes a housewife can do absolutely no wrong because the angel wings just won't allow it.

 

Back to this episode and Ramona's talking head about thinking Kristin had a brain...or two!! Ah, I love you, Moaner!!

[Trooper York]

 

 Heather had no right to usurp /ignore/blow off Dorinda's position as mistress of her own home and party (a birthday party, yet).

 

But I thought she was the "the co-host."

 

I miss Ed McMahon!

[Rahul]

Which ethnic minority appropriated "mama"?

 

Hee, no shit. Who knew Heather was such an evil genius, able to plot a nefarious arrangement on the fly like that?

 

So that kind of comment is nothing new from her?

 

That jumped out to me, too. So snooty. But, hey, her mommy was mean to her, so...

 

I don't know if you are asking in all earnestness or being facetious, but mami/mama is Spanish slang meaning baby or sexy, mainly used by the Puerto Ricans of NY. She may not have an UES address but it does not sound the least bit organic coming out of Heather's mouth. She is a white business executive who has appropriated pieces of someone else's culture in a desperate attempt to look hip. (emphasis on look)

 

Heather really needs to cool her damned jets.  She started off the season with her ridiculous announcement about Bethenny owing LuAnn a car, then to trying to gossip about Ramona to Bethenny as if Bethenny had never even met Ramona, then to the tale of woe about Kristen's lack of invite to Bethenny's party, then to critiquing Bethenny's custody arrangement, then to insinuating herself into Bethenny's conversation with Dorinda about what was on the menu.

 

Persnickety, I was just thinking the same thing. It all started with Heather's wildly inappropriate comment to Bethenny about owing LuAnn sizable compensation for the success of her Skiny Girl brand. This kind of comment may not even have gone down smoothly had the two of them been close girlfriends, but to tell a total stranger they're remiss for not comping a mutual friend with a $200,000 car? Ehh. Heather is always putting her foot in her mouth. She just can't help it.

[film noire]

But I thought she was the "the co-host."

 

I miss Ed McMahon!

Heeeeeeeerrreeee's Bossy!

(Because there's no way she'd take second chair)

Edited June 4, 2015 by film noire

[Trooper York]

I know I hate it when people appropriate your racial identity.

 

I remember when I used to walk into a client and they asked me if I had my "Lucky Charms?"

[LotusFlower]

Seriously?  How is it "passive aggressive" to explain your allergic to something that's being served to you?  Should she just smile, eat it and calmly call 911?  She very quietly said something that was really, really relevant.  Heather's the one that turned it into a Tennessee Williams play.

Yes, because smiling, eating the fish and dying is what I think she should have done. There's nothing wrong with informing the host of a food allergy (although let's keep in mind the rudeness of showing up unannounced and not informing the host beforehand). But once you do that, and people respond, including the host, it's passive-aggressive to then say: "stop tending to me! I don't want attention!"

Eileen on RHOBH (love her): "Pay attention to me! Don't pay attention to me!"

[pbutler111]

Yes, because smiling, eating the fish and dying is what I think she should have done. There's nothing wrong with informing the host of a food allergy (although let's keep in mind the rudeness of showing up unannounced and not informing the host beforehand). But once you do that, and people respond, including the host, it's passive-aggressive to then say: "stop tending to me! I don't want attention!"

Eileen on RHOBH (love her): "Pay attention to me! Don't pay attention to me!"

 

Sorry, but no.  Bethenny very politely informed her hostess, who then let it go.  It was only Heather -- NOT the hostess; NOT the homeowner; NOT Bethenny's nanny -- who couldn't let it go and kept escalating until it became the main focus of the evening.  You can spin this however you want, but Bethenny was not in the wrong here and Heather was.  Simple as that.

[SCS]

Yes, because smiling, eating the fish and dying is what I think she should have done.

Now that would be a HWs ratings bonanza.

Wonder if Beth really is allergic. Maybe she simply doesn't like finny fish and went with the old allergy standby. Maybe she had a bad experience with a parasite. Maybe she has a 3-spined stickleback up her ass, which would certainly explain her uptight and clenched demeanor.

Edited June 4, 2015 by steelcitysister

[bravofan27]

Bethenny has been really rude to Heather for sure. But Heather has been rude as well. Bethenny is definitely more direct "harsh" about it. For Heather, she seems to really be making an effort to build a case against Bethenny, where I think Bethenny's rudeness is very in-the-moment. I don't think she plans out how to provoke or rude responses to make to Heather. Where Heather seems to have things planned out. Like when Heather told Bethenny she should buy Luanne a car. That seemed like something she had been wanting to say for a long time. Bethenny walks into the room and Heather is armed and ready with questions. Neither are right or wrong, but I think Heather could do herself some favors and just leave Bethenny alone. I don't think Bethenny would provoke Heather, she seems to really be laden with issues right now. 

Edited June 4, 2015 by bravofan27

[LotusFlower]

Sorry, but no.  Bethenny very politely informed her hostess, who then let it go.  It was only Heather -- NOT the hostess; NOT the homeowner; NOT Bethenny's nanny -- who couldn't let it go and kept escalating until it became the main focus of the evening.  You can spin this however you want, but Bethenny was not in the wrong here and Heather was.  Simple as that.

I wasn't addressing Heather's interjections, which I thought were overboard. I was solely labeling Bethenny's actions ("FYI - I'm allergic to fish." Beat. "What? Stop talking about my fish allergy!") as passive-aggressive.

[blueiris]

Carol was right. Bethenny is either completely wound up tight or crying.  She neglected to mention the trip from one extreme to the other.  It's shrill, shrieking, screeching and spitting in your face mad!  If your so stressed and fragile bitch - then why oh why are you doing a reality show?  You don't need the money.  Go away or suck it up.  You knew what you were getting yourself into.  Or did you think a coronation was going to happen upon your return?

[QuinnM]

 

Wonder if Beth really is allergic.

 

I heard her mention finned fish as the issue and that is a pretty significant allergy.  I know that with sushi you can always find something on the platter.  Besides shellfish most chefs make sure they have plenty of California rolls for the raw fish haters and vegans.  I'm sure she was just letting Dorinda know that when the sushi came out she may need a little q & a with the servers.  Unless of course every bit of sushi had finned fish, then she might want to rethink the hummus.

[LotusFlower]

...Where Heather seems to have things planned out. Like when Heather told Bethenny she should buy Luanne a car. That seemed like something she had been wanting to say for a long time. Bethenny walks into the room and Heather is armed and ready with questions.

I don't think this is the case. On the contrary, I think Bethenny makes her a little nervous, like when she showed up unexpectedly, and Heather approached her and said "congratulations...oops, I mean, that was so nice of you to come!" I think she wants to be friends with her, but because it's not working, it's throwing her off.

 Unless of course every bit of sushi had finned fish, then she might want to rethink the hummus.

Don't forget the meatball.

[AnnA]

Carol was right. Bethenny is either completely wound up tight or crying.  

 

That's not true.  It happens often but it doesn't happen ALL the time.  Considering your obvious dislike of Bethenny, it would be a waste of my time to mention the scenes from episodes where Bethenny was enjoying herself.  Please keep in mind that doesn't  happen when she has Heather snapping at her like a piranha.  

 

Edited June 4, 2015 by AnnA

[Trooper York]

I have to give Bethenny props for one thing. She immediately said she didn't want a meatball. She wouldn't touch a meatball. I mean can't you just seen it now.

 

Bethenny: "I would love to eat a meatball."

 

John: "Hey Baby!"

[pbutler111]

I wasn't addressing Heather's interjections, which I thought were overboard. I was solely labeling Bethenny's actions ("FYI - I'm allergic to fish." Beat. "What? Stop talking about my fish allergy!") as passive-aggressive.

 

If what you describe is what had happened, then I'd agree with you. But it's not.  And I don't.

[LotusFlower]

If what you describe is what had happened, then I'd agree with you. But it's not.  And I don't.

It's exactly what happened. Oh wait - Bethenny's exact words were "I only eat shellfish." I stand corrected.

[berly57]

Oh blueeyed, I am so very, very sorry -- there is absolutely nothing I can say to you -- I can't even imagine the pain you are going through. If something happened to my daughter (who is grown) I don't know how I would deal with it.

 

Just know my thoughts are with you -- I wish there was something I could do . . .

[QuinnM]

 

It's exactly what happened. Oh wait - Bethenny's exact words were "I only eat shellfish." I stand corrected.

This is fabulous since I have no life.  I'm about to get on the treadmill and they are actually showing this episode.  I shall tivo, take notes and report back on the exact words.  

[dimo]

Someone suggested Andy give Methenny her own show. I agree, but only if she is taken off this one. It would be great, I could watch and wouldn't have see her Skeevy Gurl (oh sorry I meant Skinny Girl) mug on this show again.........whoa, wait up, didn't she just get canned after trying that? (her own show) Oh well, whatever.... SNORE ZZZZZZ

 

Seriously, I think she is a piss-poor example of a human being but she does make watching this show much more exciting than it would be without her.

Edited June 4, 2015 by dimo

[SFoster21]

Someone suggested Andy give Methenny her own show. I agree, but only if she is taken off this one. It would be great, I could watch and wouldn't have see her Skeevy Gurl (oh sorry I meant Skinny Girl) mug on this show again.........whoa, wait up, didn't she just get canned after trying that? (her own show) Oh well, whatever.... SNORE ZZZZZZ

Seriously, I think she is a piss-poor example of a human being but she does make watching this show much more exciting than it would be without her.

Abso-blooming-lutely! Great TV!

[motorcitymom65]

An honest question to both fans and non-fans of Bethenny:

 

Does anyone believe that she came on this show without some level of control as to what would actually end up on our TV's? Without some serious discussion about what she would/would not reveal? She is in the middle of a very big divorce, both emotionally and financially. Her public persona had taken a huge hit. I always considered myself a fan, and in some ways I still am. I am 100% on her side in the divorce stuff. It was more than lonely to be a supporter of Beth's when it was first announced that she was coming back. Very few people had a single nice thing to say about her. The divorce stuff, the failure that was her talk show, and taking selfies of herself wearing Bryn's PJ's had all done a huge number on her popularity. She was in need of some damage control. Anyone believe that she put herself in the hands of her very close friend, Andy Cohen, in order to see her reputation further damaged? She doesn't need the money; she has more than she could probably ever spend. Why go on a reality show where the potential might exist for you to give the hated Jason anything to use against you in divorce court? IMO it just makes zero sense, and I honestly believe that she probably had her attorney look over any footage just to make sure she wasn't damaging herself in some way that she didn't realize. 

 

This brings me to the important point that I don't believe that things like any discussion on camera between Beth and others about things like custody would be aired if Beth wasn't OK with it. If she didn't want for us to see Heather asking her about custody, we would never have seen this. I think that Beth was fine with it, mainly because it gave her the opportunity to address her feelings about her custody and to appear sympathetic. The line she gave in her TH about it being the most private, painful thing she has ever gone through was a powerful one IMO. Of course she had already talked about it, but in this case we got to see how it impacts her that others are questioning her, that she is constantly being reminded of something so painful by others. She had a way to tell the audience about her pain. Just like the stuff with not showing her boyfriend. In the next episode we will see another gathering where the singletons are talking about dating and men. No mention at all from Beth that she was dating someone seriously at that time, that she had said in the press that she was "in love" with this man. Nothing, nada. Not from her and not from the others. I think that was the way that Beth wanted it to tell the story and garner the sympathy that she needed and it was A-Ok by Bravo. Is she getting a good edit? Maybe not, but she is getting the edit she needs to tell the story of how broken she is and of all that she is going through. I don't think it is about making her more popular, although I have zero doubt she will be better liked when this show ends than she was when it began. I think it is about making people understand and empathize with the reasons she is like she is. 

[Crikey]

A kochleffel!  That's a Yiddish word Heather might do well to learn!

 

http://www.jewish-languages.org/jewish-english-lexicon/words/1537

Yeah, lol.

Reminds me of the time my Mother's co-workers gave her a wooden spoon wrapped with a bow as a christmas present saying she knew how to stir things.  She thought it was a compliment.

[sasha206]

Bethenny might agree with you on that.  But, seriously -- she can't win with some people, and I'm happy she doesn't try.

 

I loved Bethenny the first several seasons.  I think she's brilliant and funny.  But her constantly being the victim gets old.

[Neurochick]

Dear Bethenny, if you didn't want attention why are you on this show? Go cry me a river.

[sasha206]

Enjoyed seeing Dorinda in her home - fits her! She's really growing on me.

 

Agreed.  I was on the fence with her but I really like her.  I looooooooooved when she called Kristen out on her bullshit.  That whole interaction is why it's so hard for me to like Kristin.  She's incredibly whiny (remeber the mud run?) and always is just so damned shocked.  She was grinding on John and then suddenly thinks when someone she's grinding on gets handsy it's a problem.  

In other words, you hate Bethenny and it doesn't really matter what she does or says, or why, you'll never think it's good or justified.

 

Or she's just rendering her opinion on a forum that discusses participants on a reality show.    Not sure why you see things in such black and white as though we are discussing your family members.

[Grneyedldy]

IMO, during the dinner was first time Heather was rude to B, even though it was well deserved.  Heather did tweet how embarrassed she was about her behavior and took ownership, Beth has NEVER done this.  Beth wasn't having a private conversation with Sonja..she was mocking them and laughing at  the other guests-NOT NICE.

I watched the show again today and although I'm not 100% sure I did not get the impression B and Sonja were mocking Ramona's date. I think they were in the own little happy drunk world. Also Heather scolding them and then saying she was only joking......there wasn't an iota of joking vibe coming from her.

[missy jo]

This is fabulous since I have no life.  I'm about to get on the treadmill and they are actually showing this episode.  I shall tivo, take notes and report back on the exact words.

 

 

Yay! If you happen to catch it, could you please let us know what Beth was saying to Sonja when Heather asked them to keep it down? On close-captioning, it sounded like Beth was making fun of Ramona's date or how boring the conversation was, i.e. "should I just stab myself with this butter knife?"

 

I don't think it is about making her more popular, although I have zero doubt she will be better liked when this show ends than she was when it began. I think it is about making people understand and empathize with the reasons she is like she is.

 

 

I agree. It's about getting her side of the story out and justifying her behavior.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

I don't know if you are asking in all earnestness or being facetious, but mami/mama is Spanish slang meaning baby or sexy, mainly used by the Puerto Ricans of NY. She may not have an UES address but it does not sound the least bit organic coming out of Heather's mouth. She is a white business executive who has appropriated pieces of someone else's culture in a desperate attempt to look hip. (emphasis on look)

 

I am sorry, this criticism is a pet peeve of mine. Is there a rulebook of how each and every ethnicity must speak? If there is, I want to meet who made them because I have a few choice words for them.

 

Heather needs her own version of "Why I Talk White" but replace "White" with Black or Spanish according to your logic.

 

There is no requirement of how one speaks based on the shade of their skin. It is true for Ernestine Johnson AND for Heather Thompson. We should all speak however we want to speak without criticism for stepping outside the box society places us in. UGH!

Edited June 5, 2015 by Deputy Deputy CoS

[Grneyedldy]

If there were, they were dumb not to show it.  Cuz the whining & crying act is getting so old.  I'd even rather watch her shilling her various SG products.  Yeah, believe it or not, I would.  Could be fun to snark on.  There are so many other things she could be doing, which would be entertaining for us.  I think they made a drastic error with showing all the whining & crying & I'm wondering if they turned the audience off for the season.  I mean, even showing her torturing her poor assistants (which you can be sure she's doing, given the way they ALWAYS looks so completely miserable) woulda more been more entertaining.

I'm with you, I wish they would have gone in a different direction. This is typical Bravo, show everything they can to show the women fighting over the dumbest shit. Or like Ramona would say.....they are turning it into a hoe mill.

[LotusFlower]

Motorcitymom - . I think she returned to the show to tell her story, which she thought would be a compelling and sympathetic one. Right off the bat - "I'm homeless." The indirect way she talked about her divorce and the apartment ("It represents all my hard work, and I'm not living in it."). The trip to Fla. to meet with her step-father. The therapy sessions. All garnered to make viewers empathize and sympathize with her. I also think she has a pretty healthy ego - she had (has?) lots of fans, and thought viewers of the show would eat it all up - her witticisms, snarky banter, Greek Chorus stuff, etc... If I understood your question correctly, I think this was her plan, and I don't think she (or Andy) ever thought it wouldn't be received well.

[SFoster21]

Guys, watch First Look tonight so we can dissect something else!

[sasha206]

You may have been turned off, but speaking from experience Dorinda's comment was spot on. Yes, life is full of tragedy, losing jobs, losing my father then one year later my mother being diagnosed with lung cancer. I'll admit I didn't handle my mom very well (thankfully she survived and beat two additional cancers - my mom is a rockstar!) But in 2011 my son committed suicide while I slept in the room across the hall. I STILL am not functioning on any level. The comment Dorinda made about waking up in the morning, taking a shower today because she smelled like a goat and how things were never going to be ok . . . touched me in a way few things have in the last 3 years and 9 months.

I should add that, prior to his death I could accomplish pretty much anything I set my mind to. Where their is a will there is a way kinda person. Now, I can't even seem to get out of bed to get a free update on my cellphone.

I have much more to say about Heather and Bethany, but I need to finish reading everything else.

 

I am so very sorry for the loss of your son.  I can't imagine how difficult that must be.  Hugs to you.

[pbutler111]

Motorcitymom - . I think she returned to the show to tell her story, which she thought would be a compelling and sympathetic one. Right off the bat - "I'm homeless." The indirect way she talked about her divorce and the apartment ("It represents all my hard work, and I'm not living in it."). The trip to Fla. to meet with her step-father. The therapy sessions. All garnered to make viewers empathize and sympathize with her. I also think she has a pretty healthy ego - she had (has?) lots of fans, and thought viewers of the show would eat it all up - her witticisms, snarky banter, Greek Chorus stuff, etc... If I understood your question correctly, I think this was her plan, and I don't think she (or Andy) ever thought it wouldn't be received well.

She's not making that stuff up. All of that is what's going on in her life right now, so what else is she supposed to be presenting?  Scrapbooks of happier times?  And not everyone is receiving her badly.  I understood exactly what she meant about her apartment; it's been discussed here before.  There are just some people who don't like her so won't like anything she says or does.  Nothing she can do about it.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

I don't think this is the case. On the contrary, I think Bethenny makes her a little nervous, like when she showed up unexpectedly, and Heather approached her and said "congratulations...oops, I mean, that was so nice of you to come!" I think she wants to be friends with her, but because it's not working, it's throwing her off.

 

And you know what? It makes me like Heather more.

 

Only on  Real housewife show would trying to befriend a coworker be viewed as a negative trait.

 

That said, Heather is a grown up with plenty of friends of her own. She doesn't need Bethenny's stinking friendship. She should be as cordial as is strictly necessary to film with her. The end.

Edited June 5, 2015 by Deputy Deputy CoS

[WireWrap]

Guys, watch First Look tonight so we can dissect something else!

We have to wait 1 more day! LOL First Look is tomorrow at 8:24pm.

[Crikey]

I liked Bethy in the seasons before her return but I feel like I am sitting on eggshells watching her on this season. 

 

She seems to invite chaos into her life then complains she is on the verge of tears and breaking down.

 

Dr., it hurts when I bang my head against the wall.  

 

I think the reason she has latched onto Sonja is because Sonja doesn't really care about much more than herself so Bethy is safe in that Sonja will not stomp on any ground Bethy has covered with eggshells.

 

 

 

[LotusFlower]

She's not making that stuff up. All of that is what's going on in her life right now, so what else is she supposed to be presenting?  Scrapbooks of happier times?  And not everyone is receiving her badly.  I understood exactly what she meant about her apartment; it's been discussed here before.  There are just some people who don't like her so won't like anything she says or does.  Nothing she can do about it.

I was responding to MotorCityMom's post, asking a thought-provoking question about the intent behind Bethenny's return. (Er, I think! Correct me if I'm wrong, MCM. Oops - I mean MotorCityMom). No one is disputing that these things are going on in her life. But I gave my opinion as to how she's choosing to present these things in her life. (And btw, there are things going on in her life that she is not showing - ie. her boyfriend, so please don't pretend that she's being completely open and honest). She came on the show with an agenda. They all do.

[Mya Stone]

Seriously, guys?

I've hidden at least 6 posts. Like my favorite bunny, Thumper, said, "If you don't have nothin nice to say, don't say nothin at all."

[WireWrap]

I liked Bethy in the seasons before her return but I feel like I am sitting on eggshells watching her on this season. 

 

She seems to invite chaos into her life then complains she is on the verge of tears and breaking down.

 

Dr., it hurts when I bang my head against the wall.  

 

I think the reason she has latched onto Sonja is because Sonja doesn't really care about much more than herself so Bethy is safe in that Sonja will not stomp on any ground Bethy has covered with eggshells.

I don't think the Bethenny/Sonja love/giggle fest continues for much longer though! LOL

[LotusFlower]

I think the reason she has latched onto Sonja is because Sonja doesn't really care about much more than herself so Bethy is safe in that Sonja will not stomp on any ground Bethy has covered with eggshells.

Hanging with Sonja makes anyone look good.

[Crikey]

I don't think the Bethenny/Sonja love/giggle fest continues for much longer though! LOL

lol You are correct!

I think she is latching onto Carrie Bradshaw-Radizwill now, right?

[film noire]

I don't know if you are asking in all earnestness or being facetious, but mami/mama is Spanish slang meaning baby or sexy, mainly used by the Puerto Ricans of NY. She may not have an UES address but it does not sound the least bit organic coming out of Heather's mouth. She is a white business executive who has appropriated pieces of someone else's culture in a desperate attempt to look hip. (emphasis on look)

When I first moved to NYC over twenty years ago our landlord (who was PR) was called "Papi" by a few of the tenants, but I couldn't remember the correct pronunciation for several weeks. One day, the tap started gushing and I ran up the third floor walk-up to get the landlord to fix it, calling "Papa! Papa!" -- as if (as my husband described it) Iwere prissy Diane Chambers on an etiquette bender (so embarrassing, he had no idea who I was calling for -- I remembered after that:)

 

And yeah, I agree Heather is engaging in cultural appropriation -- and one day, she might comes across someone who doesn't appreciate her lifting other people's lived experience just for kicks and giggles and the me-so-cool hip factor.

Edited June 5, 2015 by film noire

[sasha206]

I did enjoy the scene with Carole and Ramona by the steps.  It was cute.

Edited June 5, 2015 by sasha206

[motorcitymom65]

She's not making that stuff up. All of that is what's going on in her life right now, so what else is she supposed to be presenting?  Scrapbooks of happier times?  And not everyone is receiving her badly.  I understood exactly what she meant about her apartment; it's been discussed here before.  There are just some people who don't like her so won't like anything she says or does.  Nothing she can do about it.

I don't think LotusFlower was denying these things are real, and certainly I wasn't in my original post. Of course they are real. My point was that Beth has a lot more control of the narrative than other HW's have had in the past. Lots of these people are showing us real stuff (we hope, since this is what Andy has been preaching since Jill was shown the door) but they don't have control of how the stuff gets edited or eventually shown to us. Her version of what is going on is being reflected each week in what appears to be an attempt to make her appear sympathetic. I don't believe that things that would harm her divorce situation would ever be revealed. Ever.  I'm sure Lu would have loved it if she could have stopped Andy and Company from showing the fun she had with the Pirate and the subsequent attempt at a cover-up. She was in a relationship and from what we heard, this event greatly harmed that relationship. I would imagine that if Ramona could take back her comment about bringing Mario dinner that she would do so. This was all real stuff that they had zero control over, yet it appears that Beth has been given a special pass. I cannot speak enough about the fact that they are not talking about her boyfriend. As far as I know this is the first time on any franchise that a HW had a very public and high profile affair going on during filming and this fact was never mentioned at all and it would have been interesting. Why was it kept out? Because the vision of Beth vacationing with him, having drinks and dinner, kissing, laughing, having fun, would not fit in with the story that she wants to tell. 

 

ETA: I am not one of those people who would never like her and there is nothing she can do about it. I was thrilled to see her return, as she was my first HW love. I just don't like being manipulated to this degree, although clearly I am up for some manipulation since I watch this shit. I feel like a specific narrative is being drawn for a specific HW as a PR campaign for her and her brand. The ratings seem to indicate that I am not the only one. 

Edited June 5, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[SFoster21]

We have to wait 1 more day! LOL First Look is tomorrow at 8:24pm.

yeah... wishful thinking...

Bethenny and BF are done, n'est-pas? So, the narrative as presented is more current.

Edited June 5, 2015 by SFoster21