S07.E07: Family Matters

[WireWrap]

I did a Google search and found this: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a3593/bachelors-2011-iowa/. There are two very brief (like, Vine-length) videos at the link, too.

Sorry, confused HW's BFs! LOL

Edited May 21, 2015 by WireWrap

[SFoster21]

^^ = A. Rod and the entire starting line up of the New York Yankees. We might be saying the same thing, but especially when you get to the part about a player on another team considering it his responsibility - that there is his feeling and sense of personal duty, not his obligation. His obligation is to play ball for as long as his contract states. Now would it help his team and generally the morale of his teammates if he were a sweetheart willing to sit through all the press conferences and answer every question ::looks at Jeter:: absodamnlutely, but if that's not in his contract, that's not on him. All the rest of his team needs to know how to do is play their respective positions, don't worry about his.

Hey I'm a huge fan of justice so I get what ya'll are saying about the unfairness of it all. But if anything, I'd go so far as to say it's ungracious to point to all the stuff my coworker gets to do tjat O can't. These chicks were on a show for years without her, she comes back and she's literally, the center of it all, she's the one in the middle of the show's opening. Nobody except B or Bravo is changing the terms of that deal, so how bout the other women step their game up.

Far as I'm concerned, Bethenny is okay and I like seeing her. She's funny, she's quick and she doesn't seem anymore above it all than anyone else.

I never understand why participants are blamed for "storylines" and chosen footage on a show "heavily scripted," "producer-driven," and, apparently, a dramatization of "Satan Andy's" sick psyche.

[WireWrap]

See how a rumor gets started?  LOL!!  I'm not assuming she does either but it fits her acting noncommittal to being part of an ensemble cast.    She might just be like fuck it, I couldn't come in today, your move Bravo.

When they were filming this season there was a lot of speculation going on by bloggers and IMO, this is where the idea that Bethenny had a "special" contract, that allowed her to pick/chose when/how she filmed, started. They all quoted that infamous, always elusive "unnamed inside source" for their information.  This is the same "source" for the information about her paycheck as well. LOL

Edited May 21, 2015 by WireWrap

[SFoster21]

See how a rumor gets started? LOL!! I'm not assuming she does either but it fits her acting noncommittal to being part of an ensemble cast. She might just be like fuck it, I couldn't come in today, your move Bravo.

Awhile back, I made a comment about the magic of these shows: excrement is turned to gold. If my pee brings me a million dollars, I do not possess the cojones to refuse. This is America! If the price is right, sell it!

If Bravo isn't getting their money's worth, well, caveat emptor! And, I am well pleased.

[pbutler111]

But this show is their job.  They signed a contract that includes showing up for scheduled events to be filmed.  It's seems pretty clear to me that Bethenny had been shirking her responsibilities during filming and the other "girls" were getting annoyed by it.  I would be.  Maybe Beth made it clear to Andy that she'd participate in filming how she saw fit.  Who knows.  Kristen was clearly asked by producers to comment on Beth not showing up to the boxing match and she answered.  I'm sorry Beth is going through a nasty divorce.  I'm sorry she's in a custody battle.  I'm sorry that she's gets Bryn 50% of the time, but so do countless number of other parents and they're still expected to do their jobs.

 

I'm pretty sure Bethenny knows how to read and adhere to a contract, do I doubt her choice of spending an evening with her child instead of in a bar with Kristen and the others is in any way a breach of that contract.  Kristen has absolutely zero to contribute this season, so she chose to rag on Bethenny.  If Andy Cohen has a problem with Bethenny's participation (unlikely), I'm sure he'd say so.  If Kristen has a problem with Bethenny's participation... meh.

[LotusFlower]

^^ = A. Rod and the entire starting line up of the New York Yankees.   We might be saying the same thing, but especially when you get to the part about a player on another team considering it his responsibility - that there is his feeling and sense of personal duty, not his obligation.   His obligation is to play ball for as long as his contract states.   Now would it help his team and generally the morale of his teammates if he were a sweetheart willing to sit through all the press conferences and answer every question ::looks at Jeter:: absodamnlutely, but if that's not in his contract, that's not on him.  All the rest of his team needs to know how to do is play their respective positions, don't worry about his.  

 

Hey I'm a huge fan of justice so I get what ya'll are saying about the unfairness of it all.  But if anything, I'd go so far as to say it's ungracious to point to all the stuff your coworker gets to do that you can't.  These chicks were on a show for years without her, she comes back and she's literally the center of it all, she's the one in the middle of the show's opening.  Nobody except B or Bravo is changing the terms of that deal, so how bout the other women step their game up.

Not A-Rod, but close! Yes, Bethenny is the new star of the show, the "B is back," and her contract is her contract. But I don't know if it's fair to say the other women should step up their game if they don't like it, or want what she has. Not everyone's a power hitter, or come with a low ERA. Some are bench players at the best if their abilities. (Are my baseball analogies getting tiresome? I'll stop.) I guess I'm just saying it's human nature to feel resentment towards castmates who get a different set of rules, especially when you know they're pulling down such a hefty paycheck. "Word on the street" is that jealousy towards Lisa Vanderpump's star status on RHOBH fueled a lot of the crap she faced a couple season's back (tabloid-gate) from the others. It's silly and catty, but common. Bethenny can do whatever she wants and honor her contract, nothing more, but she can spare me with her "my child, my child" rhetoric. (That was fake b.s. coming from someone claiming to be so authentic). I just wonder if Bravo appreciates her skipping out on events in order to keep her so-called priorities straight.

[pbutler111]

Did she really say that?

This women who very wealthy. Yes of course she still has her company but please. Beth should really not talk about other people's vanity or public approval. Fame whores come in all shapes and sizes. I do think most women come to promote what ever they have going on, but imo they all love the camera time the fame and all seem very vain. That includes Bethenny Frankel. Who has enough money to go live her life off camera and still run her business. Skinny girl is in every store I go into, it's not trying to make it, it made it.

 

Bethenny said the first part (that she can't understand why anyone would do one of these shows unless they were promoting a product or cause or building a brand).  The part that starts "The only reason..." was me expressing my thoughts on the matter, not quoting Bethenny.  And when Bethenny made that first comment, she was not yet the wealthy person she is now.  She did come on the show to promote her product and build a brand, and it's hard to dispute she did a bang-up job of it.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Not A-Rod, but close! Yes, Bethenny is the new star of the show, the "B is back," and her contract is her contract. But I don't know if it's fair to say the other women should step up their game if they don't like it, or want what she has. Not everyone's a power hitter, or come with a low ERA. Some are bench players at the best if their abilities. (Are my baseball analogies getting tiresome? I'll stop.) I guess I'm just saying it's human nature to feel resentment towards castmates who get a different set of rules, especially when you know they're pulling down such a hefty paycheck. "Word on the street" is that jealousy towards Lisa Vanderpump's star status on RHOBH fueled a lot of the crap she faced a couple season's back (tabloid-gate) from the others. It's silly and catty, but common. Bethenny can do whatever she wants and honor her contract, nothing more, but she can spare me with her "my child, my child" rhetoric. (That was fake b.s. coming from someone claiming to be so authentic). I just wonder if Bravo appreciates her skipping out on events in order to keep her so-called priorities straight.

 

Oh ok, I gotcha.  Girl all I know about baseball I used in that post.  I think that's right though.

 

Bolded.  Yes.   We only disagree about the direction of their resentment.  It belongs to Andy n' them.  

 

I wish I could get into RhoBH as ardently as I can NY because Brandi sounds like an involuntarily fascinating sort but what you're describing Lisa went through is just another example of irrational haterade.  Find whatever makes you valuable to the brand and work the hell outta that.  Luann showing up and showing out at the last reunion is what I'm talking about.  She'd already been demoted by the time that happened, but by the taping of the reunion, girl came to play.   And now Bam, the Countess is back.  

 

Okay I'm done with ball analogies too, I ran out.  lol.

Edited May 21, 2015 by ZaldamoWilder

[motorcitymom65]

I don't blame Bethenny if she is annoyed that Heather calls her Beth, or Mama. I believe Jason used to call her Mama so that would be really annoying. And I don't think anyone should shorten someone else's name when they obviously prefer the name they use. If I were Bethenny I would start calling Heather "Her", and see how she likes it.

I completely agree. If B asked Heather to stop and she continued that would be beyond rude and annoying. As it is, Heather told B she wouldn't use that name anymore if she didn't like it and B responded "I don't care. Call me whatever you want". Heather gets so much grief for this. Has she ever gone against someone's wishes and called them a name she was asked not to?

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

  Kristen has absolutely zero to contribute this season, so she chose to rag on Bethenny.  If Andy Cohen has a problem with Bethenny's participation (unlikely), I'm sure he'd say so.  If Kristen has a problem with Bethenny's participation... meh.

 

Rag is a bit much. And she didn't choose to, she was answering a question. 

 

Since I like Kristen and Heather, I am glad they have been sidelined this season while the Bethenny show is sending ratings down the toilet.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Deputy Deputy CoS

[sasha206]

I'm pretty sure Bethenny knows how to read and adhere to a contract, do I doubt her choice of spending an evening with her child instead of in a bar with Kristen and the others is in any way a breach of that contract.  Kristen has absolutely zero to contribute this season, so she chose to rag on Bethenny.  If Andy Cohen has a problem with Bethenny's participation (unlikely), I'm sure he'd say so.  If Kristen has a problem with Bethenny's participation... meh.

 

I am very much in agreement with this post!  

 

Time spent with child is precious.  And we've already seen Bethenny in several scenes with the girls.  

 

And I also feel like Kristen has nothing to contribute. She bores me.

[robroy]

Well to continue the baseball sequeway- I'll bat clean-up.

 

Carole had written at one point that her and her husband sold one of JFK's chairs to get a down payment on the loft. If they had any real $ that would not have happened.

 

When Beth filmed the first two seasons there were a lot more scenes of the Ho wives with friends & family and then only meeting for various get togethers. Season three was completely set up to launch Beth's spin-off. So I'm not sure its so much a matter of her skirting responsibility as coming back to a job that has changed in the interim. IIRC there was also a lot of complaining in Carole/Heather/Aviva's first season that filming was taking forever because they were not producing film worthy moments. In that regard Beth is probably like the old SNL Sinatra sketch- come in, blast away 1.5 takes of a song and yell cut. Holding Kristin's hand to pull decent TV out od a bore is not her gig. 

 

And since when does someone Ramona's age require that darned much attention for a birthday that does not end in a 5 or a 0. Then again this is the woman who celebrated her 17th wedding anniversary with a giant vow renewal and moved her kids B-day up 6 months to throw a party on Bravo's tab.

 

FWIW- I think Lu would definitely tap a twenty something but not actually date one. And definitely not one who has any close relation to her family/friends/coworkers. 

[BeachyMum]

IMO, Andy ruined RHONY by bringing Beth back to the show.  I tune into see the elegance and glamour of NY, but most of all I like to see fun friendships these women use to have.  It's obvious B does not care to have a real friendship with any of her cast-mates.  

   This episode was beyond boring.  It was all about B and her same storyline from season one, two and three. The only difference was Bethenny has become even more self absorbed and has lost all social etiquette.  I am still in shock at how rude she was to Ramona's guests..that was vile.

   I am not feeling Kristen this season, either.   The rest of the cast seems okay, but we don't see enough of them. JMO

[pbutler111]

Carole had written at one point that her and her husband sold one of JFK's chairs to get a down payment on the loft. If they had any real $ that would not have happened.

 

That's not quite right.  They had already purchased their apartment and were living in it when they were asked if they wanted to include the chair in an auction.  This was not a unique chair -- there were many of them that Jackie had given out as gifts over the years.  It had no particular meaning for Anthony, so he put it in the auction and was amused and delighted when the Prince of Monaco bought it.  They used the money to do a big renovation on their apartment.  They didn't need to sell the chair in order to finance their home.

[LotusFlower]

Oh ok, I gotcha.  Girl all I know about baseball I used in that post.  I think that's right though.

 

Bolded.  Yes.   We only disagree about the direction of their resentment.  It belongs to Andy n' them.  

Y'know I agree - they resent the boss, but take it out on the player (Bethenny), because they're weary to bite the hand that feeds them.

 

I wish I could get into RhoBH as ardently as I can NY because Brandi sounds like an involuntarily fascinating sort but what you're describing Lisa went through is just another example of irrational haterade.  Find whatever makes you valuable to the brand and work the hell outta that.  Luann showing up and showing out at the last reunion is what I'm talking about.  She'd already been demoted by the time that happened, but by the taping of the reunion, girl came to play.   And now Bam, the Countess is back.  .

I could give you a million adjectives to describe Brandi, and fascinating would never be one of them. Messy, sloppy, drunk, mean - sure. Even in her earlier, "better" days, some would call her fun and light, but never fascinating. But yes, Lisa V. just got her own spin-off and was the fan favorite, and the others seemed to be seething in jealousy and plotted to take her down. Ironically, it ended up taking Brandi down, because the "plot" didn't work, and it ended her friendship with still-fan favorite Lisa. And you're totally right about LuAnn coming to play. Last season and now. How did Jill Z. not get the memo?!

[WireWrap]

I don't blame Bethenny if she is annoyed that Heather calls her Beth, or Mama. I believe Jason used to call her Mama so that would be really annoying. And I don't think anyone should shorten someone else's name when they obviously prefer the name they use. If I were Bethenny I would start calling Heather "Her", and see how she likes it.

Yes, Jason called her "Mama" and she called him "Daddy", it went both ways. IMO, If Bethenny is sooooooo bothered by that, she needs to say something to Heather, otherwise, she needs to let it go. LOL

[Lemons]

  They used the money to do a big renovation on their apartment.  They didn't need to sell the chair in order to finance their home.

 

 

You would think that if they were super rich they would auction the chair for charity. 

[lunastartron]

Entire books have been penned on the trials and triumphs of Lee Radizwill, which reportedly included upper-class poverty and effective grifting as the Prince was virtually penniless by the time he relocated to England and had a propensity for living on credit, much of which was never called in. Lee married Hebert Ross in 1988 and received significant property in their separation settlement, but that occurred after Anthony's passing . . . As for Kristen, I actually like her. She's stylish, impeccably put-together for the most part, and, as others have noted, not motivated by desperation or malice. I would like to see more focus on her clothing just for the aesthetic porn angle. But, from my perspective, she can be plenty grating, in the way that, say, Shannon Beador, Heather Dubrow, or even Bethenny can be irritating when they wax reflective on how hard life can be for a conventional and wealthy white woman in contemporary America. Kristen jettisoned her domestic angst storyline, but last year, it was really odd to watch her lament how "hard" it is to be home with her kids all day when a) that appeared to be entirely her choice and b) by her own admission, she and Josh had hired a live-in nanny specifically for her convenience/give her a chance for respite from the sturm und drang monotony of caring for small children all the time. I get that devoting oneself to one's children completely can be taxing and boring depending on one's personality, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it seemed for most of last season that Kristen actually wanted to find things about which to be unhappy, much as she demonstrably searches out circumstances about which to feign shock (see: backing up into a dude's crotch and then, in retrospect, dropping your jaw to make his physical contact with you seem inappropriate). All of which is to say, I abstractly understand why some would not want to watch her on television, but, on the whole, I personally like her more than most of the cast.

[pbutler111]

You would think that if they were super rich they would auction the chair for charity. 

So if they were forced to sell it to put a roof over their heads, they're impoverished losers. If they voluntarily sold it and used the money to enhance their home, they're selfish assholes.  They can't really win here, can they?

[ScoobieDoobs]

I never understand why participants are blamed for "storylines" and chosen footage on a show "heavily scripted," "producer-driven," and, apparently, a dramatization of "Satan Andy's" sick psyche.

 

What's going on behind the scenes can be really difficult to determine, so I don't usually bother.  I'd rather just sit back & be entertained -- except when I'm not being especially entertained, or when the the producer manipulations become too fake & obvious, or things just don't make any sense.  This is a reality show & I think there is a good bit of effort on the producers' part, with this show in particular, to combine whatever is going on in the lives of cast members (or at least what they share -- they may or may not be telling the truth) with what they're gonna include in the show.  So yeah, I think we can blame cast members, at least partially, for what we're seeing.  Most of the blame (to me) goes to Satan Andy cuz he has the final say of what we see.

 

But if all we're gonna see this season is Bethenny in her fake therapy sessions & going wah-wah-wah & not interacting with the rest of the cast, it's probably cuz Andy lost control of her.  He's responsible for that, not Bethenny.  If the show's ratings stink, he's the one to blame.  I said last year, this whole cast should have been replaced, except maybe for Moaner.  I like the addition of Dorinda, but the rest of 'em could go, as far as I'm concerned.

 

But Andy can only work with what's given to him by the cast.  If Lu continues to hold back and/or outright lie, then that affects the show.  It's a really big problem the producers have with including Lu in the show.  She lies about her life a lot.  A helluva lot.  And she ALWAYS has.  And she clearly has not changed one bit.

 

My hunch about Josh is he saw what a dickhead he looked like last season & just wanted to pull back from participating almost completely.  He still managed to use his wife (for her presence on the show) to get a plug for his useless, shitty product.  So he doesn't say anything on the show anymore, but we still know he's the same dickhead, eh?  OK, so now Kristen doesn't give up anything about her marriage & she has very little to talk about.  So she's boring as fuck now.  That isn't Andy's fault.  But it is his fault when he includes boring, fakey footage of her.

 

OK, maybe Sonja is trapped in her loony delusions now & that's all she's giving to the Bravo cams.  It ain't her fault if that's all she has to give.  But it's def Satan Andy's fault if we find this routine tiresome & he's off-the-mark in finding it still hilarious, only because it goes along with his cruel sense of humor, in which he loves to laugh at people in unfortunate situations.  

 

The only ones who seem to be offering up honest reactions about their lives seem to be Moaner & Dorinda.  Heather seems very, very guarded about her life.  We hardly see Jon at all.  We never see her work life or her home life or her children & we've never seen her home in the city.  Is this Heather's choice or the choice of producers?  This is unknown.  Seems like Heather has been dumped into "friend status".

 

And Carole?  She seems extremely deliberate now in how she wants to portray herself on the show.  If Andy chooses to include her in the show, he can only follow along with this teenager persona she continues to throw out.  Please understand, I am absolutely NOT a Carole hater.  I loved, loved, loved her first book.  I'm just deeply disappointed in this persona she's shoving at us.  I can only assume Satan Andy thinks this persona is hilarious & entertaining if he chooses to highlight it in the show.  So I blame him for doing so.  Me?  I think this routine is tired as fuck & she shoulda been kicked off the show.

 

Now that I see Adam is yet another reality show wannabe & from listening to that totally unromantic phone call with him, my suspicion is he's probably just a fuck buddy to Carole & that's about it.  I get the impression Carole is a cold fish.  She may want sex, but as far as looking for love?  She doesn't seem interested.  Not a bad thing one way or another -- just saying, that's who she seems to be.

Edited May 21, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[LotusFlower]

My hunch about Josh is he saw what a dickhead he looked like last season & just wanted to pull back from participating almost completely. He still managed to use his wife to get a plug for his useless, shitty product tho,, So he doesn't say anything on the show anymore, but we still know he's the same dickhead, eh? OK, so now Kristen doesn't give up anything about her marriage & she has very little to talk about. So she's boring as fuck now. That isn't Andy's fault. But it is his fault when he includes boring, fakey footage of her.

This might be true, but we don't know for sure. It's very possible that Kristen is still willing to open her life to the cameras, but with eight HW's on the roster, she's been sidelined, and not by choice. The producers have clearly decided, at least so far, to highlight Bethenny far and wide, "homeless" and living in a car, traveling solo, a therapy session solo, etc... at the expense of scenes with the others.

[Lemons]

So if they were forced to sell it to put a roof over their heads, they're impoverished losers. If they voluntarily sold it and used the money to enhance their home, they're selfish assholes.  They can't really win here, can they?

 

I don't really know the background of Carole's late husband.  Someone wrote that he was worth millions and I obviously don't know if that's true, but if it WERE true, it would boggle my mind that they wouldn't just donate a piece of history, that being President Kennedy's old chair, even if it weren't particularly rare.

 

I would assume that if they needed that money for a renovation, then the rumors of his millions weren't true. 

[UsernameFatigue]

Yes, Jason called her "Mama" and she called him "Daddy", it went both ways. IMO, If Bethenny is sooooooo bothered by that, she needs to say something to Heather, otherwise, she needs to let it go. LOL

 

Not sure what Bethanny calling Jason "Daddy" has to do with anything but I would imagine if Heather were to call Jason "Daddy" he would not be too impressed.  As far as Heather calling Bethanny "Beth" Heather said a few epis ago that when she first met Bethanny she asked her if anyone called her Beth and she said no. Now I have given friends nicknames and some have given me nicknames but it is out of affection. Bethanny and Heather barely know each other. When Heather said that it was 'her' thing to call Bethanny Beth, Bethanny replied "Why do we need to change our names now?" Obviously she doesn't like it. Why should she let it go if Heather is too dense (or rude) to grasp such a basic concept. Which is why if I were Bethanny I would call Heather "Her" and maybe she would grab a clue.

Edited to add: I just rewatched that clip and Heather went on to say to Bethanny "If you want me to call you B I will call you B". Good lord, what a stupid woman. WTF is wrong with calling her by her name?

Edited May 21, 2015 by UsernameFatigue

[sasha206]

And Carole?  She seems extremely deliberate now in how she wants to portray herself on the show.  If Andy chooses to include her in the show, he can only follow along with this teenager persona she continues to throw out.  Please understand, I am absolutely NOT a Carole hater.  I loved, loved, loved her first book.  I'm just deeply disappointed in this persona she's shoving at us.  I can only assume Satan Andy thinks this persona is hilarious & entertaining if he chooses to highlight it in the show.  So I blame him for doing so.  Me?  I think this routine is tired as fuck & she shoulda been kicked off the show.

 

Now that I see Adam is yet another reality show wannabe & from listening to that totally unromantic phone call with him, my suspicion is he's probably just a fuck buddy to Carole & that's about it.  I get the impression Carole is a cold fish.  She may want sex, but as far as looking for love?  She doesn't seem interested.  Not a bad thing one way or another -- just saying, that's who she seems to be.

 

 

I agree with your first paragraph.  I don't hate Carole either.  But she's disappointing me this season with what she's putting out.  It's clouding my vision of what I thought was a substantial woman.  I loved her relationship with Heather.  They were fun to watch together.  

 

This season she seems to want to portray herself like a silly woman who can't or doesn't want to meet deadlines.  She's not coming across as the wordly woman we know she is.

 

I'm holding out hope that she turns it around because I like her relaxed nature and she can be very funny.  

 

About Adam, I get the opposite...I think she seems smitten by him and although I'm sure she's a realist about a future with someone so much younger, I got from the phone call that she was hoping he'd be a little more flirty over the phone and it wasn't really happening so she got off quickly.  But, alas, let me not focus on that mundane phone call, cause you know the cavarly will come out.

[lunastartron]

Um . . . When did *anyone* say - let alone suggest - that Carole and Anthony were "impoverished losers" or "selfish assholes"? It simply stands to reason that if you have 50 million dollars in assets, you wouldn't need to sell an heirloom of historical and personal significance in order to put a down payment on a loft because you'd already have discretionary funds. And, conversely, if you have to sell off possessions in order to raise that down payment, you probably don't have a lot of cash at your disposal . . . Kristen herself has given interviews this year in which she has disclosed that her marriage/family dynamics were "off limits" to producers this season.

[sasha206]

Um . . . When did *anyone* say - let alone suggest - that Carole and Anthony were "impoverished losers" or "selfish assholes"? It simply stands to reason that if you have 50 million dollars in assets, you wouldn't need to sell an heirloom of historical and personal significance in order to put a down payment on a loft because you'd already have discretionary funds. And, conversely, if you have to sell off possessions in order to raise that down payment, you probably don't have a lot of cash at your disposal . . . Kristen herself has given interviews this year in which she has disclosed that her marriage/family dynamics were "off limits" to producers this season.

 

Exactly.  

 

I just don't really understand why any comment Carole-related evokes this type of comment.  I like LuAnn, but if someone here has a strong dislike, I really don't care.  And I don't chastise them for commenting on anything about her.

[LotusFlower]

Kristen herself has given interviews this year in which she has disclosed that her marriage/family dynamics were "off limits" to producers this season.

Can you tell me where? Cuz all I could find was one item from Radar Online that was one of their "sources say..." Nothing from the horse's mouth.

[archer1267]

I believe Jason used to call her Mama so that would be really annoying.

 

Another thing that could bring back flashbacks for Bethenny: the trip to Turks & Caicos. (If she goes.) That's where she and Jason fell in love. In light of that, it's interesting that that's the big trip this season. Coincidence? Would Bravo really be that cruel to deliberately plan that confluence?

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

Can you tell me where? Cuz all I could find was one item from Radar Online that was one of their "sources say..." Nothing from the horse's mouth.

 

This was posted in her thread a few days ago.

 

She states the opposite from the "sources" here. Even then, can Kristen really make those demands? Let me think about it for a minute. Yeah, no.

[zoeysmom]

This might be true, but we don't know for sure. It's very possible that Kristen is still willing to open her life to the cameras, but with eight HW's on the roster, she's been sidelined, and not by choice. The producers have clearly decided, at least so far, to highlight Bethenny far and wide, "homeless" and living in a car, traveling solo, a therapy session solo, etc... at the expense of scenes with the others.

Kristen's problem is she gets coached by Brandi.  To Kristen's credit she is not as desperate and despicable as Brandi.  :Last year she went too far in the "I married a jackass role" and it cost them dearly.  Josh was out trying to promote a product and all the world knew of him was he was a prick.  Kristen has no storyline, never has, never will.  She is sometimes sweet and has children and can't manage her life without a nanny and loves the opportunity to pull down 200 grand to pretend she has half a brain.  She will play for what ever team she thinks is winning and these comments about Bethenny are the reality that Bethenny doesn't see another season with Kristen in it.  Kristen biggest was whining about eight RH being too many.  Also, if Bethenny did date Josh the last thing in the world she wants is that being bandied about.

[LotusFlower]

This was posted in her thread a few days ago.

 

She states the opposite from the "sources" here. Even then, can Kristen really make those demands? Let me think about it for a minute. Yeah, no.

That's what I thought. (Good find, btw. And thanks). With the exception of barring the filming of their kids, Bethenny is probably the only HW that can make such demands. Besides, they're all so thirsty for screen time, why would they? It seems much more probable that Kristen's scenes have gone by the wayside to showcase Bethenny's return and to introduce newbie Dorinda. Or she'll be featured more as the season continues.

[ScoobieDoobs]

And if we can believe Radar Online-

 

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/05/real-housewives-new-york-kristen-taekman-off-limits-storyline/

 

So if Kristen hasn't much storyline this season, it's her own fault.  Unfortunately, the only thing interesting about her was her shitty marriage to a dickhead.  Now that she ain't showing us any of it, who cares?  Bye, hun.

 

What really puzzles me is the crap edit Heather is getting & how she's pretty much being shoved aside to make tons of camera time for Bethenny & Dorinda.  I think it's a mistake.  A big, huge mistake.  Heather is an interesting woman & she's not the big ole nasty-ass liar Lu is,  And she's not the teenager-wannabe Carole desperately wants us to believe she is.  OK, the mamas & the name-shortening is sorta annoying.  But I'd rather have more of her than more of Bethenny's wah-wah-wah-ing & her fake therapy sessions.  And I didn't even know B had her fake therapy sessions on a yacht.  Oy.

 

I love how Lu says she's so lucky Victoria came out OK -- especially cuz she seemed to have absolutely nothing to do with raising her.  I thought Rosie, her ex-housekeeper, mostly (or more like totally) did that.  Remember when Victoria broke her leg sneaking out in the middle of the night & apparently Lu was nowhere around?  Maybe she was cruising for young gigolo dudes at Beautique?  Carole was absolutely right to get in a dig about Lu's ridiculous hypocrisy for snidely commenting on who Carole dates.

Edited May 22, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[LotusFlower]

And if we can believe Radar Online-

 

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/05/real-housewives-new-york-kristen-taekman-off-limits-storyline/

Like we said, this was another one of Radar's completely fabricated stories. Kristen disputes it herself in the video posted a few posts up.

[Sincerely Yours]

Not sure what Bethanny calling Jason "Daddy" has to do with anything but I would imagine if Heather were to call Jason "Daddy" he would not be too impressed.  As far as Heather calling Bethanny "Beth" Heather said a few epis ago that when she first met Bethanny she asked her if anyone called her Beth and she said no. Now I have given friends nicknames and some have given me nicknames but it is out of affection. Bethanny and Heather barely know each other. When Heather said that it was 'her' thing to call Bethanny Beth, Bethanny replied "Why do we need to change our names now?" Obviously she doesn't like it. Why should she let it go if Heather is too dense (or rude) to grasp such a basic concept. Which is why if I were Bethanny I would call Heather "Her" and maybe she would grab a clue.

Edited to add: I just rewatched that clip and Heather went on to say to Bethanny "If you want me to call you B I will call you B". Good lord, what a stupid woman. WTF is wrong with calling her by her name?

Why do clues have to be dropped? If its a problem then just saying so should be the course of action for grown adults. I used to work with a guy that HATED being called Chris when his name was Christopher.. Whenever anyone called him Chris he would chime in immediately afterwards with "TOPHER" He made it pretty clear that abbreviating his name was NOT acceptable and that was that. Simple.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

And if we can believe Radar Online-

 

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/05/real-housewives-new-york-kristen-taekman-off-limits-storyline/

 

 

Why is it even a question when they can't one of the main player's correct. Surely their source used JOSH, not the John the kept referring to.

[Mozelle]

Not sure what Bethanny calling Jason "Daddy" has to do with anything but I would imagine if Heather were to call Jason "Daddy" he would not be too impressed.  As far as Heather calling Bethanny "Beth" Heather said a few epis ago that when she first met Bethanny she asked her if anyone called her Beth and she said no. Now I have given friends nicknames and some have given me nicknames but it is out of affection. Bethanny and Heather barely know each other. When Heather said that it was 'her' thing to call Bethanny Beth, Bethanny replied "Why do we need to change our names now?" Obviously she doesn't like it. Why should she let it go if Heather is too dense (or rude) to grasp such a basic concept. Which is why if I were Bethanny I would call Heather "Her" and maybe she would grab a clue.

Edited to add: I just rewatched that clip and Heather went on to say to Bethanny "If you want me to call you B I will call you B". Good lord, what a stupid woman. WTF is wrong with calling her by her name?

 

So, I saw this earlier and I just don't even understand how that's a natural nickname from Heather. Her name isn't pronounced "heat"-"her," so why would Bethenny decide that that would be a nickname to give to somehow teach Heather a lesson? At least in the case of LuAnn (Lu) and Bethenny (Beth) those could be seen as natural shortenings of their names.

 

And look, Bethenny is nothing if not blunt. If she wanted, she could very easily say "I prefer Bethenny." The same one who rudely pretended to fall asleep and become aghast that Heather was telling her about Kristen's feelings over a non-invite is suddenly too timid to come right out and say, "Don't call me Beth"? OK.

 

It's interesting, though, that this Beth name is oh-so dramatic (for folks not named Bethenny Frankel that is). LuAnn calls Sonja "Sahn" from time to time, and I know I've heard her call Heather "Heth."

[imjagain]

So, I saw this earlier and I just don't even understand how that's a natural nickname from Heather. Her name isn't pronounced "heat"-"her," so why would Bethenny decide that that would be a nickname to give to somehow teach Heather a lesson? At least in the case of LuAnn (Lu) and Bethenny (Beth) those could be seen as natural shortenings of their names.

And look, Bethenny is nothing if not blunt. If she wanted, she could very easily say "I prefer Bethenny." The same one who rudely pretended to fall asleep and become aghast that Heather was telling her about Kristen's feelings over a non-invite is suddenly too timid to come right out and say, "Don't call me Beth"? OK.

It's interesting, though, that this Beth name is oh-so dramatic (for folks not named Bethenny Frankel that is). LuAnn calls Sonja "Sahn" from time to time, and I know I've heard her call Heather "Heth."

Exactly, Heather isn't calling Bethenny Beth to dismiss her as a person, it's just a nickname. If you don't like it tell Heather. Beth is not shy.

[motorcitymom65]

Edited to add: I just rewatched that clip and Heather went on to say to Bethanny "If you want me to call you B I will call you B". Good lord, what a stupid woman. WTF is wrong with calling her by her name?

Andy calls her B all the time (he also calls her Bethanny at times). So does her employer, Bravo, as in "the B is back". I think the reason that Heather said this is because "B" is kind of an established nickname for her. One that I have never heard her have a problem with. Unless probably it is coming from Heather. But then, my thoughts are that just in general she is going to have a problem with anything that Heather says to her. Shades of Carlton towards Kyle, IMO.

[UsernameFatigue]

So, I saw this earlier and I just don't even understand how that's a natural nickname from Heather.

 

It isn't. That is the point. It is impersonal. A nickname should be given by someone who knows you, not someone who decides for whatever reason they do not want to call you the name you have introduced yourself as. If Bethanny (or anyone) said to Heather "Hi, I am Beth" or "Hi, I am B" it would make sense to call her that.  Simple. I have just met a new group of women through a sport I am playing. I call them the names they have introduced themselves as. A couple know each other and may have pet names for one another but I would never in a million years call someone I do not yet know a name other than the one they have introduced themselves as. Why would I? Why would anyone? Again, simple.

[Mozelle]

No, what I'm saying is that as far as I know, never once has "Her" been used as a nickname for Heather. Beth from Bethenny makes sense. I'm trying to understand how "Her" would follow? "Heth" follows. "Her" does not.

[motorcitymom65]

It isn't. That is the point. It is impersonal. A nickname should be given by someone who knows you, not someone who decides for whatever reason they do not want to call you the name you have introduced yourself as. If Bethanny (or anyone) said to Heather "Hi, I am Beth" or "Hi, I am B" it would make sense to call her that.  Simple. I have just met a new group of women through a sport I am playing. I call them the names they have introduced themselves as. A couple know each other and may have pet names for one another but I would never in a million years call someone I do not yet know a name other than the one they have introduced themselves as. Why would I? Why would anyone? Again, simple.

The funniest thing is that we are talking about someone who proudly reminded us in the 2nd episode that she is the one who took to calling Ramona the "Ramonacoaster". When she came up with this, it was certainly not a term of love and affection.

[WireWrap]

Not sure what Bethanny calling Jason "Daddy" has to do with anything but I would imagine if Heather were to call Jason "Daddy" he would not be too impressed.  As far as Heather calling Bethanny "Beth" Heather said a few epis ago that when she first met Bethanny she asked her if anyone called her Beth and she said no. Now I have given friends nicknames and some have given me nicknames but it is out of affection. Bethanny and Heather barely know each other. When Heather said that it was 'her' thing to call Bethanny Beth, Bethanny replied "Why do we need to change our names now?" Obviously she doesn't like it. Why should she let it go if Heather is too dense (or rude) to grasp such a basic concept. Which is why if I were Bethanny I would call Heather "Her" and maybe she would grab a clue.

Edited to add: I just rewatched that clip and Heather went on to say to Bethanny "If you want me to call you B I will call you B". Good lord, what a stupid woman. WTF is wrong with calling her by her name?

Well, has she called her "Beth" since then and Bethenny never did say "no, don't call me that". She has been called "B" by Ramona, Jill, Alex, Sonja and Andy, so what is the issue here? Maybe Bethenny needs to "grab a clue" and stop thinking the world revolves around her because it does not.

[LotusFlower]

It isn't. That is the point. It is impersonal. A nickname should be given by someone who knows you, not someone who decides for whatever reason they do not want to call you the name you have introduced yourself as. If Bethanny (or anyone) said to Heather "Hi, I am Beth" or "Hi, I am B" it would make sense to call her that. Simple. I have just met a new group of women through a sport I am playing. I call them the names they have introduced themselves as. A couple know each other and may have pet names for one another but I would never in a million years call someone I do not yet know a name other than the one they have introduced themselves as. Why would I? Why would anyone? Again, simple.

Some people are just like that. It's a personality trait that's not meant to offend, but rather to be friendly on the quick. I don't really get it, cuz I'm not like that, but I see people who do it, and I think it's kind of nice. It's almost always warm-hearted, friendly people who do it. Like Heather, come to think of it!

This is shocking, but I'm going to give Kim Richards a compliment - on RHOBH a few seasons back, a friend-of HW kept calling Kim "Pam" instead of her name (by mistake), and Kim just laughed it off. She not only didn't care, but she sort of adopted the name....it became their thing. * Why not be light-hearted about it? If it really bothers you, say something. But usually people don't care.

* Come to think of it, she might have been drunk!

P.S. I've noticed a lot of us frequent posters abbreviate other's names - without permission, and no one seems to care! Sometimes I am just too darn lazy to type out "Motor City Mom," so I use initials. Uh oh - who have I offended?

- LotusFlower, Lotus, LF, whatever!

Edited May 22, 2015 by LotusFlower

[motorcitymom65]

In retrospect, the fact that Kristen might have been concerned to not be invited to B's b-day party makes more sense, as does Heather giving her the heads up. I had forgotten until I saw the clip noted above that Kristen said in her blog that week that she had invited B to a couple of things she was doing prior to that party, and that B had been too busy to attend. So B refuses Kristen's invites, which more than likely would have made it to TV had she been there, and then has a party of her own, which is guaranteed to be filmed, and Kristen doesn't get invited. Heather also finds out that she wasn't technically invited either; she was Carole's plus 1. Knowing that Kristen had something going on that apparently didn't make it off the cutting room floor as far as we can see, gives more color to what she said when asked in her TH about B not attending events. It also helps bring clarity to the reason Lu had that conversation with B about the girls feeling like she wasn't making an effort. It was striking to me that B wasn't surprised by Lu saying this. She didn't defend herself and act like she hadn't missed much. She seemed to be fully aware of what Lu was talking about. It also perhaps explains B's rather dramatic and rude response to Heather bringing up to B that Kristen was hurt about the party. B must have already been aware that there was a conversation regarding her not being readily available to work with others.

[pbutler111]

I don't really know the background of Carole's late husband.  Someone wrote that he was worth millions and I obviously don't know if that's true, but if it WERE true, it would boggle my mind that they wouldn't just donate a piece of history, that being President Kennedy's old chair, even if it weren't particularly rare.

 

It was just a chair.  It wasn't rare.  It was one of many.  JFK may have never even sat in it.  It was jus sitting in storage, as neither one of them liked it.  Good for them for taking something of no real importance of value to them and turning it into something they really wanted -- a nice home for the two of them to share.

[WireWrap]

Some people are just like that. It's a personality trait that's not meant to offend, but rather to be friendly on the quick. I don't really get it, cuz I'm not like that, but I see people who do it, and I think it's kind of nice. It's almost always warm-hearted, friendly people who do it. Like Heather, come to think of it!

This is shocking, but I'm going to give Kim Richards a compliment - on RHOBH a few seasons back, a friend-of HW kept calling Kim "Pam" instead of her name (by mistake), and Kim just laughed it off. She not only didn't care, but she sort of adopted the name....it became their thing. * Why not be light-hearted about it? If it really bothers you, say something. But usually people don't care.

* Come to think of it, she might have been drunk!

Kim kept calling Dana "Pam" and she went along with it as well as trying to crawl up Kyle/Kim/Taylors collective butts to get a full HW status. LOL And Yes, Kim was drunk/high. Bethenny takes herself too seriously and it is hurting the show IMO. She is not the "be all to end all" of RHNY IMO! LOL  

[motorcitymom65]

Well, has she called her "Beth" since then and Bethenny never did say "no, don't call me that". She has been called "B" by Ramona, Jill, Alex, Sonja and Andy, so what is the issue here? Maybe Bethenny needs to "grab a clue" and stop thinking the world revolves around her because it does not.

Very true WireWrap. Or as Kyle would say: Tits on an ant.

[LotusFlower]

Kim kept calling Dana "Pam" and she went along with it as well as trying to crawl up Kyle/Kim/Taylors collective butts to get a full HW status. LOL And Yes, Kim was drunk/high.

Y'know what? As I was typing that story, something didn't sound right. Thanks for the correction. Now I can take away my compliment towards Kim! That didn't feel right, either! But at least the point still stands - it was Dana "Pam" that kept getting called by the wrong name (by drunk Kim), but she was a sport about it. Thanks Wire! Er, I mean WireWrap!

[WireWrap]

Y'know what? As I was typing that story, something didn't sound right. Thanks for the correction. Now I can take away my compliment towards Kim! That didn't feel right, either! But at least the point still stands - it was Dana "Pam" that kept getting called by the wrong name (by drunk Kim), but she was a sport about it. Thanks Wire! Er, I mean WireWrap!

Your Welcome. Wire is fine, Wrap is fine as is WW. I don't mind nicknames myself. LOL

[missy jo]

Um, my screen name is actually a nickname given to me by my friends. I didn't always love it, but it's not the hill I chose to die on. YMMV.

This season [Carole] seems to want to portray herself like a silly woman who can't or doesn't want to meet deadlines.  She's not coming across as the wordly woman we know she is.

 

I'm holding out hope that she turns it around because I like her relaxed nature and she can be very funny.

 

 

I used to joke a lot about how "lazy" I was and how I didn't work, and finally had to stop when it turned out that even people I knew had started to take it seriously! I had my own consulting firm with the same clients for a decade, so I thought my work/achievements spoke for themselves. But yeah ... you can't overplay making light of things because people will believe it.

 

I'm still unabashedly Team Heather and Team Carole, so I think we all see the HoWives and their actions through the filtered lens of our personal likes and dislikes.

Edited May 22, 2015 by missy jo