Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation: Benchmarking

[Nobodysfan]

11 minutes ago, BaseOps said:

It was the case where the daughter tried to hide her pregnancy from her mother thinking that she would freak out, but the mom ended up being very accepting. I like when they keep some continuity with patients so I'm a bit excited to see this play out. That doctor has never been on the show before, maybe he's some type of specialist - the actor had some great stuff in Mad Men as Ginsberg's father a few years back. 

Thanks.

Funny, how suddenly a new doctor pops up out of nowhere.

Edited May 4, 2016 by NathanRiggsfan

[Joana]

It may appear strange because we're now used to seeing the same 5 people treat everyone, but IMO it's refreshing to see new doctors and it's really something the show should do more often. 

Remember when Perfect Penny said that the hospital is so huge she thought she'd never run into someone who knew Derek? Well, where are those people? We really shouldn't be seeing Arizona on literally every case that involves a baby or a potential baby. Throughout all these years, has there been a single mention of an ortho surgeon other than Callie? And so on. 

Edited May 4, 2016 by Joana

[Nobodysfan]

23 minutes ago, Joana said:

It may appear strange because we're now used to seeing the same 5 people treat everyone, but IMO it's refreshing to see new doctors and it's really something the show should do more often. 

Remember when Perfect Penny said that the hospital is so huge she thought she'd never run into someone who knew Derek? Well, where are those people? We really shouldn't be seeing Arizona on literally every case that involves a baby or a potential baby. Throughout all these years, has there been a single mention of an ortho surgeon other than Callie? And so on. 

Yes, it is refreshing. I agree. I am myself curious about this new doc.

[windsprints]

Since the sneak peek makes it look like Arizona won't get custody because she leaves the courtroom I'm think she will be the one granted custody at the end of the episode. Callie stays because she won't leave Sofia, Penny exits stage right.

[aprilbabe]

Sarah and Jesse posted this picture. Thoughts/speculations?

 

[windsprints]

April goes into labor in a remote location/after a disaster/after an accident/some GA finale thing is my guess.

[funnygirl]

Another pregnant woman in an accident, how original. 

[BaseOps]

Ask Ausiello: 

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Question: How many categories/slots on your May Sweeps Scorecard does Grey‘s Anatomy take up? — Ashley
Ausiello: About a half-dozen or so. And at least one of them involves Meredith.

Question: Any word on Sara Ramirez’s contract negotiations on Grey’s? —Andrew
Ausiello: The ball is in Ramirez’s court. If she does opt not to sign on for Season 13, I think there’s a decent chance she’ll return in the fall for an episode or two to bring closure to Callie’s storyline.

 

[Greysaddict]

its looking more and more like a Amelia/Owen wedding to me.  Ellen's hair in this pic looks like a definite bridesmaid do.  Justin doesn't look like groom dressed, just guest dressed.  I think Camilla is in regular clothes here, not Jo clothes.  I may be reading too much into it.  

[BaseOps]

The promo teases a shocking hook-up and two proposals: 

Mer / Riggs are likely the hook-up, and I'm excited especially because there has been ZERO build-up lately. I thought we'd maybe start to see some hints at what was to come, but I don't even remember their last interaction. I wonder how it'll happen.. 

Two proposals - my bets are Amelia and Owen + maybe another Alex / Jo proposal. We know he comes to some sort of 'realization' about their relationship next week. We also know there must be some type of Amelia / Meredith drama next week, as they said it was coming before the finale and there are only 2 episodes left. Ellen mentioned something about Mer finding it hard to see Amelia living this great life and feeling like Derek should be there. 

I'm looking forward to next week. Sometimes the build-up to the big stuff in the pre-finale episodes is a lot more exciting than the big-stuff itself come finale night. 

[TheresaW1934]

18 minutes ago, BaseOps said:

The promo teases a shocking hook-up and two proposals: 

Mer / Riggs are likely the hook-up, and I'm excited especially because there has been ZERO build-up lately. I thought we'd maybe start to see some hints at what was to come, but I don't even remember their last interaction. I wonder how it'll happen.. 

Two proposals - my bets are Amelia and Owen + maybe another Alex / Jo proposal. We know he comes to some sort of 'realization' about their relationship next week. We also know there must be some type of Amelia / Meredith drama next week, as they said it was coming before the finale and there are only 2 episodes left. Ellen mentioned something about Mer finding it hard to see Amelia living this great life and feeling like Derek should be there. 

I'm looking forward to next week. Sometimes the build-up to the big stuff in the pre-finale episodes is a lot more exciting than the big-stuff itself come finale night. 

I'm going Nathan and Maggie as the surprising hook-up.  Andrew Deluca is going to lock lips with someone, wondering with whom he'll be clutching?

Proposals:  Stephanie and her patient.  Not sure if it will be Alex and Jo or Amelia and Owen.  Heck, Penny might even pop the question to Callie.  Of course, more likely she asks how it went with Arizona -- on Callie trying to apologize and set up something Sofia wise, then suggest as we've speculated that Callie stay here why she goes onto New York and Callie will join her later after some schedule is set up for Sofia.

[stopthestatic]

What if they pull a switcharoo and have Maggie and Nathan hook up and Meredith and Andrew. That would be so weird. Meredith as a cougar.

[windsprints]

Guesses: Proposals - Stephanie proposes to Kyle (then he dies either this episode or the finale), Owen proposes to Amelia. Hookup- Meredith/Riggs. Will be Shocking! (promo guy) because they've been showing Maggie/Riggs. Maggie/DeLuca kiss or hookup, reuniting them. Alex/Jo either breakup or she puts the ring on. Hard to tell how it will go for them since they've had about 2 minutes of scenes together in the past 10 or so episodes.

I hope there's some big surprises in the next 2 episodes.

Edited May 6, 2016 by windsprints

[Maukie99]

I think we should think that it is Maggie and Nathan that both have a date or get closer. But I think we are there on a completely wrong track. I think it is Meredith and Nathan, they come closer. Shonda likes to play with us, when it comes to who gets along with whom or a date has. And let's be honest Meredith will again have a date, if not with Alex, with whom, then? It remains so, then only Nathan because Ellen has indeed said that we can think and fans who could it be.

 

Or Shonda conjures some unknowns out of the hat, Meredith Neck'm loves in because over head. Or Finn, the veterinarian from the 3 season dip again. xD

[Deanie87]

10 hours ago, windsprints said:

Guesses: Proposals - Stephanie proposes to Kyle (then he dies either this episode or the finale), Owen proposes to Amelia. Hookup- Meredith/Riggs. Will be Shocking! (promo guy) because they've been showing Maggie/Riggs. Maggie/DeLuca kiss or hookup, reuniting them. Alex/Jo either breakup or she puts the ring on. Hard to tell how it will go for them since they've had about 2 minutes of scenes together in the past 10 or so episodes.

I hope there's some big surprises in the next 2 episodes.

Best case scenario for me - Mer/Riggs hookup, Alex/Jo proposal (but not wedding) and I guess Kyle/Stephanie proposal, although it is really too much like Denny/Izzie.  The Amelia/Owen proposal just seems ridiculously soon, and will almost certainly doom them as a couple because I don't think that there has been one rush to marriage that has worked out.  So maybe that's a plus, I don't know.   Jo's secret will be meaningful to her character and not some dumb plot point to make her look bad.

Worst case scenario - Neither proposal is Jo/Alex.  Not because I am dying to see them get married, but because that has literally been the only thing that they have had going on for nearly 2 seasons now and if it needs to come to some kind of conclusion.  If the writers can remember to use the fact that AZ went to 56 trivia nights in order to slut shame her, then certainly they can remember that all but 1 of the 3 conversations that Alex and Jo have had in the last 10+ episodes concerns that damn ring.  

Red-hot fire-ant hatred scenario - Jo hooks/hooked up with DeLuca while she and Alex were on a "break" and everything that we didn't get to see gets completely retconned and the writers try to pretend that having the entire Jo/Alex breakup/nonbreakup/reconciliation offscreen was a real creative choice rather than extremely lazy and bad writing.

[windsprints]

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Worst case scenario - Neither proposal is Jo/Alex.  Not because I am dying to see them get married, but because that has literally been the only thing that they have had going on for nearly 2 seasons now and if it needs to come to some kind of conclusion.  If the writers can remember to use the fact that AZ went to 56 trivia nights in order to slut shame her, then certainly they can remember that all but 1 of the 3 conversations that Alex and Jo have had in the last 10+ episodes concerns that damn ring.

 All very true. I really don't want them getting married in the finale but I wouldn't mind a proposal. What I really would love to see is an actual heartfelt discussion between them about the ring and their future together. I'd rather the wedding wait until next season. They get so little story so at least the wedding would be something to look forward to next season. Also, just because there are scenes in a church doesn't mean a wedding actually happens. Grey's is about 50/50 on weddings actually happening. If its a wedding that goes bust I definitely don't want it to be Jolex.

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Red-hot fire-ant hatred scenario - Jo hooks/hooked up with DeLuca while she and Alex were on a "break" and everything that we didn't get to see gets completely retconned and the writers try to pretend that having the entire Jo/Alex breakup/nonbreakup/reconciliation offscreen was a real creative choice rather than extremely lazy and bad writing.

I think there will be some retconning going in to give Jo some secret. Remember Arizona?  I don't think it will be a DeLuca hookup though. He was with Maggie at the time and I don't think they'd have him having cheated on her because I think they will come back around at some point.

[Deanie87]

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I think there will be some retconning going in to give Jo some secret. Remember Arizona?  I don't think it will be a DeLuca hookup though. He was with Maggie at the time and I don't think they'd have him having cheated on her because I think they will come back around at some point.

Good point.  The writers may ruin Jo by having her hookup with someone else, but they aren't going to do that to Maggie and DeLuca.  Plus, don't forget that Jo put a blanket on Alex and Meredith saw it.

[PrincessTT]

2 proposals doesn't necessarily mean 2 marriage proposals...

[Joana]

The promo seems to point at Nathan/Maggie and Meredith/Alex as the "shocking hook-up", so it's obviously neither. And what's with that scene of Jo running down the hallway? For a second I thought she was going to slap April. 

[candall]

Wow, this thread is on fire! 

I agree, from three pages ago, that Meredith-Riggs is the revelation.  She's been nothing but downright rude to him ever since he arrived and it's all supposed to be based on her loyalty to Owen even though his position is lacking any real hook you could hang your hat on.

And her unwavering attitude that "Owen hates him therefore we are all required to hate him" doesn't really play well either.  She made that promise to Christine to watch over him or whatever, but Meredith knows better than anyone that Owen isn't always right at the top of the Mr. Dependable list.

I think they just set up all her animosity so they could knock it down.  It's been--ahem--known to happen before on this show.

[Maukie99]

I think the fight in advance Meredith and Owen again, probably because of Amelia because there's something. And then something comes Meredith attributed the Owen also no innocent, and then also Cristina cheated. In that sense, he is no better than Nathan. And Meredith sees the might and can be an on Nathan, maybe a little because she wants to annoy Owen so. Even if the opposite Nathan would not be nice.

[pennben]

n/m

Edited May 6, 2016 by pennben

[Maukie99]

What does this n / m?

[pennben]

It means "nevermind" (n/m), in that I decided against what I originally posted and retracted it so all should ignore what was originally in that post.

[windsprints]

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I agree, from three pages ago, that Meredith-Riggs is the revelation.  She's been nothing but downright rude to him ever since he arrived and it's all supposed to be based on her loyalty to Owen even though his position is lacking any real hook you could hang your hat on.

I hope there's some kind of build up at least. She's been such a judgmental bitch I don't see why he'd want anything to do with her at this point.

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And what's with that scene of Jo running down the hallway? For a second I thought she was going to slap April.

If its some kind of emergency April has no idea what happened. Maybe she's just looking for help with a patient in crisis.

Edited May 6, 2016 by windsprints

[Nobodysfan]

15 hours ago, BaseOps said:

The promo teases a shocking hook-up and two proposals: 

Mer / Riggs are likely the hook-up, and I'm excited especially because there has been ZERO build-up lately. I thought we'd maybe start to see some hints at what was to come, but I don't even remember their last interaction. I wonder how it'll happen.. 

Two proposals - my bets are Amelia and Owen + maybe another Alex / Jo proposal. We know he comes to some sort of 'realization' about their relationship next week. We also know there must be some type of Amelia / Meredith drama next week, as they said it was coming before the finale and there are only 2 episodes left. Ellen mentioned something about Mer finding it hard to see Amelia living this great life and feeling like Derek should be there. 

I'm looking forward to next week. Sometimes the build-up to the big stuff in the pre-finale episodes is a lot more exciting than the big-stuff itself come finale night. 

I am puzzled.

It does seem like Maggie hooks up with Nathan, based on promo and promo pictures. 

I just can´t see a way for Meredith to hook up with Nathan all of a sudden.  As you said there has been zero build-up, they do not even interact.

I honestly think Maggie hooks up with him. Also McCreary said Maggie and Nathan will get to know each other as they spend a lot of time with each other and we had to wait and see whether or not it will be romantical which seems to point to the fact that they could hook up and Deluca is out of the orbit.

Quote from the Reel Spin interview:

The Reel Spin:  In a recent episode, Riggs (Martin Henderson) opened up to Maggie about his past.  Any chance we will see their relationship continue to grow... either as friends or perhaps even romantically?

McCreary:  You'll have to wait and see... but you can definitely assume that since they work so closely together in the cardio department they will definitely have opportunity to get to know each other pretty well.

I just do not understand what Pompeo meant when she said it was not so difficult to figure out who Meredith hooks up with and pointing out that it was not Thorpe. Or maybe she was just misleading and  Thorpe comes back.

Edited May 6, 2016 by NathanRiggsfan

[esco1822]

What about a Jackson and April proposal?  Them growing closer and deciding they want to be married when the baby arrives? We keep getting hit over the head with how religious she is so what if she doesn't want to have a baby out of wedlock as birthing time becomes impending?

[Nobodysfan]

7 hours ago, Maukie99 said:

I think we should think that it is Maggie and Nathan that both have a date or get closer. But I think we are there on a completely wrong track. I think it is Meredith and Nathan, they come closer. Shonda likes to play with us, when it comes to who gets along with whom or a date has. And let's be honest Meredith will again have a date, if not with Alex, with whom, then? It remains so, then only Nathan because Ellen has indeed said that we can think and fans who could it be.

 

Or Shonda conjures some unknowns out of the hat, Meredith Neck'm loves in because over head. Or Finn, the veterinarian from the 3 season dip again. xD

But how can Meredith and Nathan come closer all of a sudden? This is my problem. They do not interact at all. After winter hiatus, ok in 12 episode that was a lot of interaction, then nothing,then again just a little in 17,but again not a personal scene, all was with Hunt, then totally nothing, only this interrogation with Ben´s case, again nothing personal.

I do struggle how they can come closer and even hook up. I find it totally impossible and story-wise it would make no sense at all after what we have seen. 

Or it will be like Maggie and Deluca at the beginning of the season where she kissed him and they barely interacted at all and became a couple.

It is such rubbish how they made Riggs a villain because Hunt supposedly hates him, and Meredith of course,too, such stupidity. They could have had such a mature storyline of two widowed people coming together as friends then as romantic partners both struggling after the loss of beloved ones, they could have shown how Nathan started to interact with Meredith´s kids and how they would grow closer without this insanely stupid drama between Hunt and Riggs. Rigg should have never come on the  show with this personal link to Hunt. The most stupid plot of this season in my opinion. Riggs has become a victim so that Hunt had something to do other than having sex with Amelia.

Edited May 6, 2016 by NathanRiggsfan

[Deanie87]

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Something Jolex for Grey’s Anatomy? — Jackson
Jo and Alex are facing an uphill battle in the final episodes. “It’s not good between them,” Ellen Pompeo tells me. “She’s pushing him away. There is a big Alex and Jo situation happening that’s going to explain a lot of why they haven’t gotten together yet.” And by that, she means marriage. No pressure!

 

I really can't think of any way this doesn't end up being some out of nowhere retcon. 

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/06/spoiler-room-game-thrones-once-upon-time-greys-anatomy-spoilers

Edited May 6, 2016 by Deanie87

[Joana]

I'm afraid it's going to be infidelity.

[esco1822]

17 minutes ago, Deanie87 said:

 

I really can't think of any way this doesn't end up being some out of nowhere retcon. 

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/06/spoiler-room-game-thrones-once-upon-time-greys-anatomy-spoilers

Please let her be transsexual and therefore unable to give him children that are biologically both of theirs. 

[BaseOps]

54 minutes ago, NathanRiggsfan said:

It is such rubbish how they made Riggs a villain because Hunt supposedly hates him, and Meredith of course,too, such stupidity. They could have had such a mature storyline of two widowed people coming together as friends then as romantic partners both struggling after the loss of beloved ones, they could have shown how Nathan started to interact with Meredith´s kids and how they would grow closer without this insanely stupid drama between Hunt and Riggs. Rigg should have never come on the  show with this personal link to Hunt. The most stupid plot of this season in my opinion. Riggs has become a victim so that Hunt had something to do other than having sex with Amelia.

I don't think they've really made him a villain at all, though. Certainly some characters dislike him, but all the writers have done is say that he cheated - everyone on this show has cheated. Riggs has been shown to be a good doctor, a good friend (to April and to an extent Amelia), and generally a pretty kind guy overall. He's had some really nice little moments (even the one with Bailey last week when he advised her not to keep Ben out of the OR.) The Owen thing is just a small part of the character they've built this year. I think generally Riggs is pretty well-liked by fans and I don't see the writers painting him as a bad guy, maybe just a bit complicated. I'm very happy that they didn't push him and Mer as soul-mates and two sad widows right away. We needed some distance for Meredith after Derek died. But I'm excited to see how they come together. 

 

20 minutes ago, Deanie87 said:

I really can't think of any way this doesn't end up being some out of nowhere retcon. 

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/06/spoiler-room-game-thrones-once-upon-time-greys-anatomy-spoilers

It's just so odd how they've played it out up to now - since they put the ring on hold, they've been shown as relatively stable (from the little we've even seen of them together.) We know they're having sex, he's moved back into the loft, they had a nice talk after the gun situation, and it's just sort of felt like arrested development for both of them - but I certainly haven't seen any of Jo pushing him away. I wonder how it's going to come around. Maybe he decides to ask her to marry him again and then she decides to tell him whatever this 'secret' is that she's been keeping (she's totally a ghost, you guys...) 

Edited May 6, 2016 by BaseOps

[windsprints]

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I really can't think of any way this doesn't end up being some out of nowhere retcon

Agreed. Jo hasn't pushed him away at all IMO. I don't consider her not accepting a proposal after she was telling her boyfriend she was moving out (because he's always at the side of another woman) pushing away. And yes, Meredith is just his his friend but it doesn't change the fact that Jo was woman #2 in Alex's life for years. I'm very happy they are getting some scenes before the end of the season. I just hope they make sense given what we've watched with them over the past few years.

Edited May 6, 2016 by windsprints

[Deanie87]

I'm trying to give the writers the benefit of the doubt...HA, no I'm totally not, that's a complete lie!  But lets say I was, every conceivable scenario that I come up with is inconsistent with what has been written this season.  I assume that Alex is going to press Jo on an answer about the proposal and that's when she starts "pushing him away," because she hasn't been pushing him away at all before that.  So if her confession is that she cheated, when would it have happened and with who?  And why has there been no indication of any such thing beforehand?  She took him back way too easily after they "broke up," but it didn't seem to be out of any kind of guilt on her behalf.  We don't even know how they broke up.  Did Alex storm out to Mer's because Jo wouldn't say yes to his proposal?  Or did Jo end up breaking up with him like she planned to do before he proposed?  Just having that bit of extremely important information would really go a long way to having some of it not be complete bullshit.  In all of the instances of cheating on Grey's has any of it ever been off-camera?  I can't think of anyone. 

Another theory going around is that she is infertile for whatever reason.  Ok, so why did nothing come up during all the talk of the eggs, and Izzie and when he offered to make a baby right then, why did she act like him coming near her with his pants down could actually work (I assume she is on birth control).  If she has some secret husband stashed away from her years On The Street, then why the push for "What do I mean to you?!?!  Why do you want a dog and not babieeeees?!?!"  I guess it could just be as lame as her applying to places out of state, but why would she push him away for that and why did it not come up during the grant episode.

I just think that the writers are now scrambling for something and since there are so many plot holes, they are just going to fill it in with some non-sensical scenario in order to give Alex and Jo something for the last two episodes.  It pisses me off.

[Chas411]

I swear if this is a retcon to make Jo look bad I'm out. Jolex are about the only thing I like about this show and I hate that they haven't been given a fair shot.

[BaseOps]

22 minutes ago, Deanie87 said:

Just having that bit of extremely important information would really go a long way to having some of it not be complete bullshit.  In all of the instances of cheating on Grey's has any of it ever been off-camera?  I can't think of anyone. 

I believe Owen cheated on Cristina off-screen, although we sort of saw some bits of it later on in flashback if I'm correct. I don't think they're going to have Jo cheat - I really don't know what is coming up, but I have a feeling it isn't that. 

[Maukie99]

1 hour ago, NathanRiggsfan said:

But how can Meredith and Nathan come closer all of a sudden? This is my problem. They do not interact at all. After winter hiatus, ok in 12 episode that was a lot of interaction, then nothing,then again just a little in 17,but again not a personal scene, all was with Hunt, then totally nothing, only this interrogation with Ben´s case, again nothing personal.

I do struggle how they can come closer and even hook up. I find it totally impossible and story-wise it would make no sense at all after what we have seen. 

Or it will be like Maggie and Deluca at the beginning of the season where she kissed him and they barely interacted at all and became a couple.

It is such rubbish how they made Riggs a villain because Hunt supposedly hates him, and Meredith of course,too, such stupidity. They could have had such a mature storyline of two widowed people coming together as friends then as romantic partners both struggling after the loss of beloved ones, they could have shown how Nathan started to interact with Meredith´s kids and how they would grow closer without this insanely stupid drama between Hunt and Riggs. Rigg should have never come on the  show with this personal link to Hunt. The most stupid plot of this season in my opinion. Riggs has become a victim so that Hunt had something to do other than having sex with Amelia.

Maybe Nathan must in any moment of a rescue of Meredith's children? Or even operate and I think that Meredith then he is very grateful and different about him thinking, I mean he saves one of her children. Bailey, Ellis or Zola? This means very much. Maybe she meets Nathan even better to know and see that he is not a bad person, and it is quite possible a leap in time of several weeks between 12x22 and 12x23?

[DrKarevFan]

When Meredith's life gets sucky, she gets drunk and sleeps with inappropriate men. It's not charming at her age. This is prob. how a Meredith hookup is going to go down....esp. if she and Amelia are in a snit about Derek.

My speculation is that Jo and Alex will be over by the end of the season.

[Kagomei]

It's not charming at any age, tbh. I find it ridiculous. But I don't think that's how the hook up is going to happen this time.

[Catznip]

What do you think the 'potential disaster' is going to be... An active shooter? They covered that before but it could happen again... Um, suicide bomber? 

[Eolivet]

I think whoever said Jo is seeking employment elsewhere is spot-on. Jo's entire story seems to have been professionally-based -- her feud with Stephanie, her relationship with Meredith, the idea that she really doesn't fit in anywhere with this group. Whether that will be the impetus for Alex to propose or not, I don't know. I don't even know what her answer would be.

I'm throwing my hat in the ring for Jackson and April covering the "potential disaster," given that photo. I think their peaceable interactions have all but guaranteed a harrowing, unexpected labor and delivery.

[GreysFan89]

What's with the slut-shaming? If a woman wants to have a drink and get laid, fair enough. (As long as she has a babysitter of course ;) )

I'm leaning towards there being another storm.

[BaseOps]

[Nobodysfan]

6 hours ago, DrKarevFan said:

When Meredith's life gets sucky, she gets drunk and sleeps with inappropriate men. It's not charming at her age. This is prob. how a Meredith hookup is going to go down....esp. if she and Amelia are in a snit about Derek.

My speculation is that Jo and Alex will be over by the end of the season.

I fear this will happen, too. For both of your speculations. 

What does Meredith do when she feels dark? As you said, she drinks .....

Regarding Jo and Alex, I predict the same. Especially, Giacomo tweeted his last scene as Deluca was with Jo and Alex. Interesting. I fear this will be the love triangle for S13.

Edited May 7, 2016 by NathanRiggsfan

[Nobodysfan]

23 hours ago, Maukie99 said:

Maybe Nathan must in any moment of a rescue of Meredith's children? Or even operate and I think that Meredith then he is very grateful and different about him thinking, I mean he saves one of her children. Bailey, Ellis or Zola? This means very much. Maybe she meets Nathan even better to know and see that he is not a bad person, and it is quite possible a leap in time of several weeks between 12x22 and 12x23?

I think this would be  a nice storyline,but I am convinced writers will go for something sloppy and badly written. Something cheap.

Especially if it is shocking as the promo says,it will make no sense as it will be totally out of the blue is what I believe. 

Edited May 7, 2016 by NathanRiggsfan

[Maukie99]

2 hours ago, NathanRiggsfan said:

I fear this will happen, too. For both of your speculations. 

What does Meredith do when she feels dark? As you said, she drinks .....

Regarding Jo and Alex, I predict the same. Especially, Giacomo tweeted his last scene as Deluca was with Jo and Alex. Interesting. I fear this will be the love triangle for S13.

Hide Deluca and Jo? Deluca has then slept with Jo, or what? Was he have but separately this time when Jo and Alex prematurely, not with Maggie together?

[Catznip]

Thanks for the link Base Ops...hehe I'll be damn...didnt know that about Meredith 'you don't get to call me a wh#%#' ... all the more reasons she shouldn't be judging Arizona. 

[DearEvette]

15 hours ago, DrKarevFan said:

When Meredith's life gets sucky, she gets drunk and sleeps with inappropriate men. It's not charming at her age.

But Meredith hasn't actually done this since she got married to Derek.  Maybe marriage, motherhood and widowhood has burned some of this impulse out of her.  I mean, what could be suckier than your husband dying?  She just grieved and took her kids on a Walkabout.

But beside all of that, I agree with @GreysFan89 there is nothing inherently wrong about getting your drink on and then getting your freak on!

[Emily Thrace]

Something I wonder is if Penny decides to give up her grant and Jo gets it what would happen with her and Alex. I wonder if its not Alex who hooks up with Maggie. That might actually be shocking or at least surprising.  He was definitely at least crushing on her at one point. I also think Maggie wants the same things Alex does and is in a similar place in life. Alex has been really patient with Jo but I don't really blame if he is ready to walk away.  Jo still doesn't know what she wants at this point maybe she never will. Its one thing to need time, its another to just not want to settle down period. Which I think is actually the bigger part of the problem for Jo. I don't think she really wants the family and the white picket fence all that much and is trying to make herself want it because Alex does.

Of course it could Mer and Riggs. Then his dead wife could walk into the hospital in the finale and say to Mer "and you must be the woman who is sleeping with my husband".

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7 hours ago, Emily Thrace said:

Something I wonder is if Penny decides to give up her grant and Jo gets it what would happen with her and Alex. I wonder if its not Alex who hooks up with Maggie. That might actually be shocking or at least surprising.  He was definitely at least crushing on her at one point. I also think Maggie wants the same things Alex does and is in a similar place in life. Alex has been really patient with Jo but I don't really blame if he is ready to walk away.  Jo still doesn't know what she wants at this point maybe she never will. Its one thing to need time, its another to just not want to settle down period. Which I think is actually the bigger part of the problem for Jo. I don't think she really wants the family and the white picket fence all that much and is trying to make herself want it because Alex does.

Of course it could Mer and Riggs. Then his dead wife could walk into the hospital in the finale and say to Mer "and you must be the woman who is sleeping with my husband".

I really hope that neither Jo or Alex hooks up with anyone else.  I am sure that whatever the conflict is, it will seem to come out of nowhere, but in the unknown amount of years that they are supposed to have been together, infidelity has never, ever been on their radar (I never saw Alex as crushing on Maggie, more as a mouthpiece for the writers to get everyone to accept her.  If anything, I think she gets on his nerves and vice-versa).   As far as the proposal, Jo initially didn't accept because she was in the middle of breaking up with Alex due to the fact that he had firmly lodged himself into Meredith's ass and Jo didn't want to be in a relationship where she came in second all the time.  But, of course, I assume we are supposed to forget all of that because now it is being played as though Jo is just completely indecisive for no reason at all or because of some BIG SECRET that she has been hiding.  

In the end, I think that their issue will be something from Jo's past, but something that the writers' just recently thought up and never mentioned to Camilla.  The way she has played the initial proposal as well as the ring still being in the drawer has been relatively lighthearted, not like she has some horrible secret that is keeping her from marrying Alex.   And as far as him and Maggie, IMO Alex doesn't work with the neurotic, socially awkward nice girl types (see: Lexie, April), so I hope that they just stay friends no matter what happens with Jo.