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Grey's Medical Twitter account stated the following: Grey's Medical ‏@GreysMedical May 10 Sole physical custody = which mother Sofia will live with and which mother will control the parenting plan... Grey's Medical ‏@GreysMedical May 10 ...Meaning whoever wins this thing gets to set the rules of custody. It's not going to be the simple 50/50 thing going forward. #LegalLegal Arizona drives the schedule and determines when Callie gets to see Sofia.

You are correct. At the end of the same program when Ben and Bailey were talking and Bailey asked Ben why he didn't apply - he said why would I want to be away from my family for a year or more. Seems even though the application spoke of a year, there must be some thing that would allow it to take more than one years time. Obvious would be - research grant, research becomes viable, keep team in place to continue. Plus, nothing was mentioned about what happens to the residents post grant. if 5th years are the standard, then they most likely would move onto fellowship, hospital position or private practice. Penny is 4th year. Does she still have to complete her 5th year? Is her residency guaranteed - as in can she return to Seattle? Callie said had a couple of other offers beyond the two she mentioned. Neither Callie or Penny presented it as a one year commitment. Callie presented it as an 'adventure'. Did she sell her home for the adventure? Is he going to rent? Too many outstanding questions me thinks. Regarding Callie and Penny - if they were engaged or even married before Penny leaves, or Penny leaves and Callie follows, or both leave together, how would that change the landscape? Or does everyone here think Callie and Penny are finished? What was your take on the pulling the hand away scene in the end?

The JudgesOpening/ Closing Dialog: Thought this might help given some of the comments. First, it's important to note that Arizona did legally adopt Sofia, meaning both Callie and Arizona are her legal parents. Now the dialog. "We're here today to determine a custody modification between 2 divorced parents, Arizona Robbins and Calliope Torres. The trials witness pool is unusual in that it will be shared by both parents. The parties have stipulated to call each witness once at which time each side will have a chance to examine that witness. You're testifying. Remember this is not a popularity contest. You are not choosing sides. We're all on the same side. The side of a 6 year old child. Dr. Torres, Dr. Robbins, custody hearings are without exception very difficult on all parties involved, your daughter included. Things said here will undoubtedly be harsh and cannot be unsaid. I ask this of parents before I begin any custody hearing. Are you both sure you want to proceed? Then this court is now in session to determine sole physical custody of Sofia Robin Sloan Torres." CLOSING DIALOG: "I've taken all testimony and evidence in this matter under submission and after careful consideration my ruling is as follows: I hereby grant sole physical custody of Sofia Robin Sloan Torres ... sentence not finished, fades out of courthouse." Hope this informs the discussions.

In the beginning the judge did say modify the custody agreement. Wonder if one or both lawyers suggested the parents go for sole physical custody. Obviously, if one - say Arizona - sought to modify the custody agreement as you suggest - Sofia not allowed to leave, then they would've ended up in court anyway, as Callie would never buy into it. Feels like a direct route vs. a byway sort of thing. Probably wrong as I don't understand all the legal bits.

I'm going Nathan and Maggie as the surprising hook-up. Andrew Deluca is going to lock lips with someone, wondering with whom he'll be clutching? Proposals: Stephanie and her patient. Not sure if it will be Alex and Jo or Amelia and Owen. Heck, Penny might even pop the question to Callie. Of course, more likely she asks how it went with Arizona -- on Callie trying to apologize and set up something Sofia wise, then suggest as we've speculated that Callie stay here why she goes onto New York and Callie will join her later after some schedule is set up for Sofia.

Jo is Mark Sloan's kid--- Jo was pregnant, terminated and never told Alex-- Jo was pregnant when living in her car, gave the baby up for adoption-- Jo can't have kids-- Jo shot someone in self-defense when she lived in her car, charges dismissed-- Church -- any chance it's a flashback to something from someone's past vs a new real time thing? Another one -- some posted in reply to CED - How about Megan's daughter - do we know if she's older or younger than Owen?

If Sara is leaving, it could be Callie and Penny getting married -- the happy ending Shonda said 'all her characters will have'.

Putting this here for two reasons. The original article linked was a spoiler for season 12 back in August 2015. The article is entitled "12 Ways 'Grey's Anatomy' Will Be Different in Season 12" http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/greys-anatomy-season-12-spoilers-816358 My question is - based on what's happened this season to date, all the spoilers we have for the last 5 programs, and our own speculations -- how will the season end? Is the article still pertinent or did the story board change a time or ten throughout the season?

Actually, someone who runs the Grey's Wiki page had this exchange with Dr. Clack, writer and one of the real life medical folk on Grey's. Question: On the show, is Fetal Surgery considered a sub-specialty of pediatric surgery or OB/GYN? Dr. Clack Answer: It's either, but we're surgeons so we focus on a peds surg entry. Herman was Maternal Fetal Medicine. - which manages both mother and baby care. Seems Arizona started one way and now they're writing into the MFM picture without telling us of course!

1. In order for Arizona to file for custody, she must be Sofia's Mother - meaning she adopted Sofia. Therefore she is not a step-mom, she is Sofia's Mom. Both Callie and Arizona are legally Sofia's parents. 2. Divorce does not change that legal parentage. 3. Step would be assigned to new partners Callie or Arizona married. If Callie married Penny, then Penny becomes the Step-Mother and Callie and Arizona are Sofia's mothers.

Oh, okay. Guess I was seeing Arizona accept and move on. Regaining her confidence and a sense of who she was - the let me fly. Nothing for it but to wait and see I guess. Thanks for explaining.

Help me understand where this is coming from? Going to make some assumptions here which the show can change on a dime. :) 1. Arizona adopted Sofia, thus making Callie and Sofia legally recognized parents. 2. Callie and Arizona are single parents raising a child. 3. Both can provide basics and homes that support Sofia's safety and well-being. 4. Both have the right petition the court to allow the child to leave the state OR keep the child in state since it changes custodial rights or agreements. 5. Both have the right to petition for full custody or change in custody if agreement cant be reached. Third Parties: Penny is a non-issue because (at this writing anyway) she does not live in the home and has no direct influence on Sofia's safety or well-being. Deluca can be looked at vetted because he does live in the same home. His presence and influence would need to be established and the court ensured it does not negatively affect Sofia. The court can decided to dismiss the hearing and refer it to Child services for follow up and recommendation. The court can decide to approve the motion to allow the child to stay in state or leave the state. The court can establish full custody for one or the other. The court can state specific custody agreements. Or again, refer it back to Child Services or whatever the appropriate agency is in Washington state to recommend custody / visitation rights etc. Whom Callie or Arizona date, whether it's one person or a million is a non-issue. The court's concern is Sofia's welfare and well-being. Until Grey's changes it - and that could happen in the next few programs, Penny is a non-factor. My guess is, Deluca will be a non-factor as well. In this, I think Grey's will keep it balanced and level headed. Could be wrong. Sorry, got side-tracked: Where in the law does a parent's dating life influence a court's decision IF that life does not and has not affected the child's well-being? How could / would a court use the relationship for or against one or the other? Isn't it a moot point? Or are you thinking it's Grey's they'll take it places that have no bearing to make drama for drama's sake? ETA; forgot an important bit. If Callie and Penny do move in together and it's been only a few months, that could become a deficit. Why? Callie wants to take Sofia out of state to follow a girlfriend. There is not an established long term relationship. Swing it around, if Callie was going for a job opportunity or grant or something else -- then she has a better starting point. Again, I think for this to work, Callie and Penny need to make a change. Plus an infamous time jump could help s well.

Quick question - I know when Penny was reading she said the grant was for a year. Yet, when Ben was speaking to Miranda he said something akin to being away from his family for a year or maybe more. Did I hear that right? Is the time away a question mark or was it a continuity error?

Is being in a relationship with a girlfriend or a boyfriend considered 'stable' from a legal perspective? Does time involved and living together for x time count? Have they been living together? I'm thinking no if Penny just met Sofia. Is there a time-jump during any of this miss-mash? My guess is Callie and Penny's relationship status will be upped via online scenes or info dumps in the last handful of programs left in season 12. If feels like it has to be to give the story sea legs and enable the viewers to relate to the 'tell' of the tepid thus far. For me personally to invest more in the Callie / Penny relationship, I'd like more than dialog. I'd like to hear ILY from Callie, the discussion or result of the discussion about both wanting a family together and expanding family and agreeing to more kids. Logical direction would be for Penny to say enough, and tell Callie she should stay, it's only a year etc. Callie responds to the 'give' and says, no I 'want' to go and be with you. The 'give' back. Else, it's Callie thinking she gives and gives and gives again yes? Clearly, custody can be worked out with either Mom or Sofia traveling and should not be a deal or even relationship breaker. It seems like that's just one half of the story being told - Arizona's half. Arizona fights. Perhaps even makes the grand gesture of letting go and agreeing to visitations. Growth. Giving. Callie's story is about her relationship with Penny and establishing it's transition. Permanent or letting go; attempting a long distance relationship and success TBD. Go to New York sans Sofia is commitment and desire for long and true relationship. Stay in Seattle is not letting go of Penny, but possible commitment to trying and making long distance work because it's worth the effort. Letting go means sacrifice with intent to the 'best' thing in Callie's opinion for her daughter. AND if thinking of co-parents, it sets season 13 up for a lot of things to work out with co-parent Arizona, especially as it pertains to overcoming the hurt and anger that got them both there in the first place. Long way of saying there is nothing to date suggesting that Arizona had any of her 'hook-ups' in her home or when she had Sofia. Nor is there anything to suggest Deluca and Maggie were together when Sofia was there. Clearly Sofia and Penny weren't in the same place during Callie's allocated time. It would also be very easy to say this is how things are and/ or would change when my daugher is with me. Regardless, it's not a story line I admire for the characters involved. Extraordinary disappointed if Grey's takes us down that road. As IMO, all three characters deserve better. Plus depending on how it's presented, it could do irrevocable damage, as Greys doesn't always do fair and balanced story telling well. Of course, this is the speculation part of the spoiler and speculating thread for me. I've no idea where they're going or if any of the speculation will play out. How things play out will determine how I perceive the characters moving forward. That final perception won't occur until seasons end as things won't start to set until then. Nothing for it but to wait and see. It is what it is. PS Forgive errors as posts appear as dictated. Going back and listening and re-editing takes a great deal of the fun out of things, so I just fire them off and let them lie.

I was thinking some would go away after their residency ended. Problem is, they've got Jo with Alex, Ben with Bailey. That leaved Deluca and Stephanie from the resident line of the chart. Stephanie (JH) may go if the pilot is picked up. Not feeling a Deluca exit only because they chose to make him a regular. Why bring him on only to send him off? Plus, if someone does leave (besides JH) it seems to be tradition to bring new in, or make existing guests / recurring player regulars (side-eyeing Penny here). Frustrating!