S31: Spoilers

[loki567]

I'll start believing that bootlist if Jeff goes. That's a big, out-of-left-field pick while Shirin and Peih-Gee's names have been thrown around as pre-mergers for awhile now. But I'd bet against it. Jeff made some comments suggesting on his periscope that he makes it past next week and likely to jury. 

 

I think Peih-Gee did hint that Angkor's going back to TC next so I'm guessing Woo's the next book as his demise seemingly been set-up Abi's "you voted for me twice." And really, it is amazing the amount of pain and suffering that girl can cause to everybody. She seems like she's not going to stop until she makes anyone who voted to keep her, completely regret that their decision.

 

I hope that Abi and Kass land on the same tribe at some point. Abi needs to show Chaos Kass what Chaos truly is. 

[Eolivet]

Oh my goodness, if golden boy Spencer makes it to the end and loses, I will laugh so hard, and this season will all be worth it. Especially since the editing has so far has made this season feel somewhat like Spencer and Friends.

 

But I will say that puts some comments from this week's episode into an interesting light. When Spencer did his "I'm a real boy with feelings" routine, he had a confessional about him wanting to form a bond with Jeremy that would get him further in this game. Jeremy's confessional was basically "Yeah, I could work with him...for a while," making it clear (to me) that Spencer did not have him entirely snowed. Jeremy has been a presence, but not front-and-center -- though he had a really good episode (and obviously now an idol).

 

If the spoilers are legitimate, I wonder if it's another close tribal council and it's a 5-4 win. I mean, I'm sure they'd find a way to bring Spencer back for a third time, but that would really be something if he gets Ozzy-ed (or is it Yul-ed?).

[cooksdelight]

What does "(fv)" stand for?

[wonald]

That Sucks boot list is List Non Grata bc Anti probably knows that at least one of the thing on it is wrong.

 

I think Keith just missing family visits is probably the most interesting thing on there since most thought he did make it. But that would still fit the rumors that his family and Spencer's GF met.

[azshadowwalker]

What does "(fv)" stand for?

 

Has to mean "family visit".

[ProfCrash]

Oh please be wrong. I cannot stand the thought of Abi making it that far int he game

[cooksdelight]

LOL, ProfCrash, I think she's so good at getting rid of people in her way, it's highly likely.

[Zuleikha]

I hope that Abi and Kass land on the same tribe at some point. Abi needs to show Chaos Kass what Chaos truly is.

If the Instagram spoiler is true, it seems more likely that Kass takes Abi out. Which I'd love. Sadly, the Instagram spoiler is considered dubious.

[Guest]

I find that boot list to be very sad. I hope it's wrong.

[LadyChatts]

PG was a logical choice to go next, if you discounted the weight loss/infection.  Quite a few others had either way more noticeable weight loss levels or had been spoiled to go at least one boot farther.  However, with the episode description, I could see Jeff being the next boot.  He's the only pre-merger I'd be disappointed about losing.  I could do without Monica or Woo.  I'd be disappointed to see Joe almost make the family visit again, since that's his goal 2 seasons running.  But at least the manbun would still be on the jury.  Kind of an interesting final 5.  I love Spencer, but would find it hilarious if it came down to one vote deciding the winner-and Kass was the deciding vote.  Usually the first merge boot is the last pre-jury, but there is a 10 person jury this season (if I understood the rumors correctly).  So Kass would be the first juror.  I'd love it if everyone thought getting rid of her meant she wouldn't even be on the jury, and as Probst is snuffing her torch, he says 'oh, by the way, forgot to say you are the first member of our jury.'

 

That boot list does line up with what's known so far, aside from Abi making it that far.  Still, it is something until it can be proven wrong.

[ProfCrash]

Here is the thing, I can't see Abi making it to 6 and then being booted. If she is going to make it that far, she is the goat. Why the hell would you boot the goat at six?

 

Based on Jeff's deleted periscope, Tasha might be an even better vote, which I can actually see if she keeps chiding people after they are voted out. That is such a Russell move...

 

But there is no way Abi goes to six with anyone thinking she is a threat to win it all. It is possible she goes on a huge immunity run and makes it to 6 that way.

[wonald]

Here is the thing, I can't see Abi making it to 6 and then being booted. If she is going to make it that far, she is the goat. Why the hell would you boot the goat at six?

 

 

That's what everyone said in S25. When Abi made it to F5.

[cooksdelight]

That's what everyone said in S25. When Abi made it to F5.

Exactly. And she only won one immunity during that season. There's no telling what happens to cause people to vote the way they do, but I look foward to seeing how it all plays out.

[Azgard12]

This boot list nonsense has to stop.

 

I find that boot list to be very sad. I hope it's wrong.

 

A source close to production on another site (am I allowed to link?) debunked that list.

It was posted the day before Shirin's boot- which was insanely obvious.  PG was also heavily predicted.

 

Though, if Jeff really does go next, I'll eat my words.

[wonald]

Can we plz stop with the revisionist history that PG was widely considered premerge before her boot? It didn't happen.

[LadyChatts]

I always thought PG was considered heavily to be pre-merge by a good chunk of people.  The only reason anyone thought she might not be was because of weight loss (which I personally didn't think was that severe) and her infection, but that is always debatable evidence.  There was a debunked rumor that she was spotted post game at the airport with Monica and Tasha, so speculation she went at least to the merge.  But that was nothing.  It seemed like the people saying PG went to the merge were people really hoping she made the merge and looked for any sign.  I wanted her to, but I was realistic.  Given what Probst said that she was not adapting well into the game and was on the outside of the social dynamics, plus the 2 tribes she wound up on, I figured she was screwed.  Had she made it past this last vote, I would have held out hope that maybe she had a chance.

 

That was Redmond's source who debunked this boot list, but Redmond admitted his source might be giving him false info on things like that so as not to spoil the whole season.  

Edited October 9, 2015 by LadyChatts

[Azgard12]

Can we plz stop with the revisionist history that PG was widely considered premerge before her boot? It didn't happen.

She was second in the elimination poll in Week 2 (when Shirin went) and second again after Stephen last week.

 

Many people pegged PG.  Just the sheep followed those claiming Stephen.

 

EDITED TO ADD: It's really sad to see people suddenly re-coloring their read of the edit to justify that Jeff goes next.  Sure, he could.  But everyone's taking that list as the holy grail when it has one very clear and obvious error...

Edited October 9, 2015 by Azgard12

[anthonyd46]

Here is the thing, I can't see Abi making it to 6 and then being booted. If she is going to make it that far, she is the goat. Why the hell would you boot the goat at six?

 

Based on Jeff's deleted periscope, Tasha might be an even better vote, which I can actually see if she keeps chiding people after they are voted out. That is such a Russell move...

 

But there is no way Abi goes to six with anyone thinking she is a threat to win it all. It is possible she goes on a huge immunity run and makes it to 6 that way.

Dan Foley made it to the final 6 and would have been a huge goat. Same for Abi in Philippines 5th place. However I don't believe that list. I'm not aware if any of you saw, but apparently a pic of Jeff is going around from two weeks after he landed. He definitely has weight loss he doesn't look like a skelton like the rest but you have to remember he was very overweight coming in so he had a lot to lose. Weight loss doesn't guarantee anything, but I think a decent amount gets you to the merge minimum. I know some people predicted PG had moderate weight loss, but I never really saw it. I didn't think she looked the exact same but she didn't look crazy thin. Also that boot list has Terry 6th thats impossible. He is gone Day 13 the latest which is the beginning of episode 5. Redmond did say he did not know if his source was just denying anything or not. So hard to trust his source on boot spoilers. Also PG was definitely in the boot talk just not the #1 pick. Also if you look at press photos Angkor is winning the next reward challenge, getting food, and supplies for winning this could make them strong enough to win the next immunity. Ta Keo is losing that reward challenge and they look pissed.

[anthonyd46]

Photos I referenced:

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2015 by anthonyd46

[cooksdelight]

Could Varner have gotten sick also?

[LadyChatts]

Is that a pre-game pic of Jeff then?  Because I thought the one I originally saw did not have Vote Varner on it.  The one reason I'm believing Jeff makes the merge at least is because of that post game photo of Kimmi and Joe.  There isn't anything to indicate Joe makes it past the next boot, or to the merge even.  But Kimmi's weight loss seemed pretty drastic to leave pre-merge and come home looking like that.  Not only the weight loss, but she looked to have been in the elements awhile.  That would be an interesting final 5, and it would make me wonder how we got there.  I was thinking that Varner had to last because of the drama involving Tasha, but after hearing what PG said Tasha said as she was leaving, I can see how that all adds up.  Especially if Varner is the next one to go.

 

Still, I'm taking that boot list with a grain of salt.  

Edited October 9, 2015 by LadyChatts

[ProfCrash]

Dan was in the majority alliance so his making it to six was not a surprise. And while Dan was edited to be an ass, pretty much everyone who played with him said they liked him. Several visited him in Maine and pretty much everyone but Shirin had good things to say about him.

Abi annoys everyone and is not in the majority alliance. I know she dated/ is dating Pete but I cannot think of too many people from her season that have stood up for her.

[anthonyd46]

Could Varner have gotten sick also?

Anything is possible.

 

I dont think it is i mean look at his press shot from this week:

 

 

He has a lot bigger stomach here, though that does look a lot like his voting pic like you said I dont think the would have gained massive weight on the island?

 

Heres the airport photo again:

 

Edited October 9, 2015 by anthonyd46

[cooksdelight]

He doesn't look any different to me.

[wonald]

She was second in the elimination poll in Week 2 (when Shirin went) and second again after Stephen last week.

 

Many people pegged PG.  Just the sheep followed those claiming Stephen.

 

 

Do you mean this poll where SAVAGE was second?

http://survivorsucks.com/topic/123476/S31-Ep3-We-Got-a-Rat-BOOT-TALLY

 

Less than 10% hardly counts as "many". Of course, YMMV.

[LadyChatts]

I hadn't seen that photo in a long time.  Jeff looks different than I originally remembered (I thought his face was fatter), but he doesn't look different.  If he isn't pre-merge, then I'd definitely say early merge.

[anthonyd46]

I hadn't seen that photo in a long time.  Jeff looks different than I originally remembered (I thought his face was fatter), but he doesn't look different.  If he isn't pre-merge, then I'd definitely say early merge.

Well like I said he was fatter than most of the other contestants so he had more to lose so even if he lasted 30 something days he isn't going to look like a skeleton. This is why you can't 100% by weight loss as successful because everyone starts at different points.

 

Edit: looks like they figured out that vote varner pic was a hoax on sucks so disregard that. Airport one is still valid though.

Edited October 10, 2015 by anthonyd46

[RealityWatAConcept]

At the risk of simply being boring, isn't this the most obvious scenario based upon what we know so far?

 

The three (4?) pieces of 'spoiler' info that I would be focused on are:

 

• AnthonyD's radio (?) tease: "Three castaways leave it all on the beach in a gut-wrenching challenge, and two castaways plead for their lives in the game at a heated tribal council. Also, Abi-Maria continues to ruffle feathers with her tribe,"
• Some of Peih-Gee's comments in some post TC interviews "It’s really my own fault. If I said nothing and let Jeff go, he’d 100% be the one going home. They didn’t show it, but right after I was voted out, Tasha yelled out, “It shouldn’t have been you tonight. It should have been Jeff.” Anyway, it was my own fault. It would’ve only bought me three more days."
• And the SurvivorFever Press Images of this week's challenges.
• The 'boot list' is taken into account but only as it confirms the above sources.

 

So, it seems we have an award challenge, a 'Hero's Challenge' where Jeremy, Andrew and Terry compete for a reward of food and food preparation items. The photos do seem to indicate that Andrew from Angkor wins food for his tribe. This clearly is what the radio tease is referring to when they say "Three castaways leave it all on the beach..." But, I am going to speculate here. I think the Angkor tribe lobbies the other tribe to let them win this challenge. Certainly if Tasha voices up that they have no food at their camp (Peih-Gee indicates that they were eating coconuts and some seafood that she caught and kept in a 'tide pool' of sorts.) the other two tribes could have 'pulled their punches' so to speak and not tried too hard. That could even explain why Terry instead of Joe for Ta Keo.

 

Then the IC which pictures show is "Blindfold Challenge" I will go out on a limb and say that Angkor losses this one again. Not really a stretch. The other tribes field three men running around and collecting the huge (heavy?) pieces of the puzzle while Angkor chooses to put Varner in the booth calling to Abi/Andrew and Tasha/Woo.

 

That Angkor losses again is the easiest explanation for the second part of the radio tease: certainly Woo and Jeff would know that it would be one of them going home, they would be the two pleading for their lives. Any of the other tribes the 'two' wouldn't be so apparent and so probably would not be in a situation where they knew enough to plead. Plus, with two challenges this week, this doesn't really give a great deal of time in the episode to explain the other tribe's dynamics and relationships in a compelling enough manner to create drama at TC.

 

Now I am leaning toward Woo over Jeff at this point as the elimination only because of the set up that Jeff has received this season and Peih-Gee's comment that she would only have 3 more days, the person most aligned with PG was Woo according to her interviews and of course Abi's comment to Woo that 'You wrote me down twice.' But Jeff could easily go as well and so I put the break down as 60% likely Woo and 40% Jeff which of course would match the boot list but then we would question all the screen time Jeff has had to this point.

 

My thoughts on the matter.

[wonald]

I just caught Max Dawson's pod. The guest is Dave Ball, didnt care. I only bring this up bc at the 1:30 mark, Max had someone who admitted to knowing what happens ("I know too much") which is rare. Most deny, deny, deny.

 

Anyway, I dont think she gives anything away - pretty much everything is open to interpretation. I think the only NOTICABLE slip I saw was when she says that Jeremy keeping the HII to himself causes conflict next ep. She quickly adds - I hope so - to cover her slip.

[anthonyd46]

I just caught Max Dawson's pod. The guest is Dave Ball, didnt care. I only bring this up bc at the 1:30 mark, Max had someone who admitted to knowing what happens ("I know too much") which is rare. Most deny, deny, deny.

 

Anyway, I dont think she gives anything away - pretty much everything is open to interpretation. I think the only NOTICABLE slip I saw was when she says that Jeremy keeping the HII to himself causes conflict next ep. She quickly adds - I hope so - to cover her slip.

First Reality I think you have some good spec there, but theres one thing that tease that I think might point away from Angkor:

 

Three castaways leave it all on the beach in a gut-wrenching challenge, and two castaways plead for their lives in the game at a heated tribal council. Also, Abi-Maria continues to ruffle feathers with her tribe

 

It could mean nothing, but why include an also if Angkor is the one in the heated tribal council? We know Abi creates heat by just talking normal words so is it really necessary to add the "Also" to that. Sounds like its two different stories to me. At one camp they plead for their lives at the other Abi goes psycho. 

 

Anyway on to Wonald's post. If there is any tension at Bayon it is that. If you noticed when looking you saw Stephen reference they should be looking for the idol for their alliance, well Jeremy sure didn't tell the alliance about it. I can definitely see that creating heat. 

[LadyChatts]

I could see the conflict being at Bayon.  It almost seems too obvious that they are talking about Angkor, but to the casual viewer, they likely might not give it a second thought.  I wouldn't say Tasha/Savage are completely out of the woods at Angkor, either.  Even though the common logic might be to vote out Abi, Varner has gotten on the wrong side of Tasha and I don't believe she or Savage will trust him.  Get rid of unpredictable, hot headed Abi, but then you have Varner and Woo who are not going to be with you long term.  I can see Woo arguing that they need him for strength if they lose again; I don't know what Varner's argument would be, unless he tries to plead to the side of Andrew that missed the jury.  Wasn't under the same circumstances, but maybe appeal to that side of him to remember how that feels.  

 

I put up above that the conflict from Bayon could very well be about the idol.  They were supposed to share if it was found.  If the person during Max's podcast flubbed, that could be the others find out he has it.  I still don't think it'll be Ta'Keo heading to TC.  And interesting theory Reality that the other 2 tribes might let Angkor win the RC.  I'm sure some will be lying through their teeth that they are okay with it.  The IC could go either way.  Actually, it might work for Angkor; last season when they did this challenge, one reason I thought NC did so well was that Joe was the only male caller and probably easier to zone in on.  I really wouldn't mind seeing another tribe go to TC, because it's been the same thing at each one so far.  No new dynamics or scrambling and strategy. 

 

I also want to add, I'm somewhat annoyed that 3 interesting things have happened at TC that they haven't shown us (Jeff asking PG if they were still voting the way they talked about, Shirin saying Terry had the idol, and Tasha telling PG she wanted Varner out).  Yet we get relationship stories that are eye roll inducing and a drawn segment on a missing bracelet.

 

ETA: anthony, I thought the same thing about that line.  I wonder if another tribe throws it (maybe the Bayon members to protect Savage and Tasha).

Edited October 10, 2015 by LadyChatts

[cooksdelight]

I also want to add, I'm somewhat annoyed that 3 interesting things have happened at TC that they haven't shown us (Jeff asking PG if they were still voting the way they talked about, Shirin saying Terry had the idol, and Tasha telling PG she wanted Varner out). Yet we get relationship stories that are eye roll inducing and a drawn segment on a missing bracelet.

Because Probst & Co. think that's what the audience wants to see. They've lost sight of the core game of Survivor, which is what I personally want to see. I don't give a rat's ass who likes who or who is causing trouble at camp. I want to see the stuff going on during the challenges and at TC. If TC lasts as long as they say it does, there HAS to be more to it, juicy stuff, that we're not being shown.

[anthonyd46]

If you see in the press photos Angkor has a big lead. I know that means nothing and any lead can be squashed, but they have about 5 more  pieces recovered that the other tribes do in the picture. Thats a fairly big lead for a challenge where blindfolded. Obviously any lead can be broken and lost, but they are ahead here.

 

[RealityWatAConcept]

Interesting point with the photo AnthonyD, I didn't notice that before. But I still am uncertain about what two players would be so obvious about the Bayon Tribe that the two members would know that they were the two on the chopping block and thus result in a pleading for their lives moment.

 

Convince me, I think my scenario is too obvious as well, and while I would like to win my week in my office pool, I would also like to be surprised watching the episode.

[anthonyd46]

Interesting point with the photo AnthonyD, I didn't notice that before. But I still am uncertain about what two players would be so obvious about the Bayon Tribe that the two members would know that they were the two on the chopping block and thus result in a pleading for their lives moment.

 

Convince me, I think my scenario is too obvious as well, and while I would like to win my week in my office pool, I would also like to be surprised watching the episode.

Theres nothing wrong with your scenario. Woo/Jeff/Angkor is the safe pick. Like Wonald said Jeremy is going to get exposed with that idol that is going to cause problems in camp and confrontation. They were supposed to be this big happy family, but things like that cause rifts. So it could be Jeremy and Stephen as Stephen calls Jermey out and says he should go home because he wasn't loyal then Jeremy turns it back on Stephen. That Bayon camp can really blow up if the idol secret is exposed. Also Jeremy's picture was on a very weird angle it looked like he lost weight, but he's another iffy one on how much he could be the boot here or it could be Stephen. Or we could get Kelly and Spencer as the odd one out and who should stay. On Ta Keo it could be Kelley vs Terry. Angkor is winning reward they are going to be energized and its going to give them new life for one IC I'm sure. Need to see some more promos first but I think Wonald found the big story of the episode on Max's podcast. 

[LadyChatts]

It's hard to say on Bayon, since we've seen next to nothing on Monica, Kelly Wigles (besides the first ep), and Kimmi.  The obvious two on Bayon are Kelly and Spencer, since they are outnumbered 4-2.  Jeff mouthing Monica's name to Kelly may come back to bite her, as the Bayon 4 may realize that Kelly and Jeff are aligned, Jeff is trying to recruit Bayon members, and Kelly poses a threat that way.  Spencer's got nothing to lose, he was on the outs when he left Ta'Keo.  His biggest issue will be overcoming the fact that strategically and physically he is a strong player, and they may choose to get rid of him sooner rather than take their chances later.  Kimmi I don't see flipping to vote with Spencer and Kelly.  However, they may be able to recruit Monica and Stephen.  I don't know if Monica would do it, but Stephen might, since he was also on the outs of his tribe (and Monica was to by what we saw, even if she didn't know it).  I don't think either of them would jump ship unless they knew it wouldn't go to a tie.

 

Another scenario is the one talked about above talking about Jeremy and the idol.  If anyone finds out Jeremy has the idol, especially the original Bayon members, they may get upset since that was supposed to be shared with all of them.  It could be someone sees him with it and takes it back to the others, he denies it but there's some mistrust there.  This could be a situation like last week, where suddenly the 2 in the minority are suddenly in the drivers seat.  That may be enough to get someone like Monica and/or Stephen to flip to Kelly and Spencer.  And my last scenario is that Stephen is somehow part of the two.  It may get back to original Bayon he was plotting to take them out, it may backfire, he was already an outsider and would likely be considered a strategic threat down the road.  So it could be between him and Spencer.  Stephen tries to plead loyalty, Spencer tries to say Stephen will flip but he'll stay strong with them and that he has no one on the other side.  That same argument might be used between Kelly and Spencer.  Kelly had a majority alliance on Ta'Keo, and Spencer may use that to his advantage.  On Bayon, I think it would come down to Kelly, Spencer, Stephen, and Monica.  Only one of those 3 that seems to have some sort of backing that they survive is Spencer, but his was merely weight loss, tan, and his girlfriend disappearing at the family visit time.  The other 3, there's nothing to indicate that they last beyond this vote.  Monica may get caught scheming and trying to flip the vote to take out someone like Jeremy, and it backfires on her.  I still think there's a strong chance she's pre-merge.  I guess if she gets more than one confessional this episode we know she's in trouble.

 

I'm looking at the key word of "heated" in that description (putting aside the fact that they probably describe every TC as heated, just like every boot is a #blindside).  Since we don't know entirely what's been happening with certain people or what happened that leads up to this, it kind of keeps the field and possibilities narrow as of right now. 

Edited October 10, 2015 by LadyChatts

[marys1000]

I find that boot list to be very sad. I hope it's wrong.

Me too!  I want Varner on the jury at least, Keith too. 

[Oscirus]

I'm surprised that Jeff is the thing that people have problems with on that list. The problem I had was with Monica since it's two episodes away and they haven't even bothered setting up her boot.

 

The only reason why I'm still paying attention to the list is that it seemingly calls out the Jeremy Spencer alliance before it happened.

 

Time to go out there with one of the possibilities for next week. What if we had it all wrong. What if Terry didn't get medevac'd? He could easily get voted off next week, receive the news at loser's lodge and go home after that. Two people  going at it at tribal could easily be Kelley and Terry. It would also explain why we're getting "Kelley throwing Terry under the bus" scenes and Terry's overconfident drs. It's possible that they're setting up his boot and not his voluntarily leaving the game.

[LadyChatts]

It could be they are setting Monica's boot up the episode it happens.  They haven't had to focus on Bayon as much, and when they have, she's been a non factor.  It could be something as simple as they don't think she'll stay solid at the merge, or it could come down to pre-game alliances trying to stay intact and she isn't a huge part of one.  I think Jeff mouthing her name to Kelly Wigles might be the set up for her boot.  If it looks like she's working with Jeff, that may get brought up at TC.  Maybe the pleading is between her and Kelly.  Or her and Spencer.

 

I could believe that Terry was voted out and then left Ponderosa.  I know that his family said he was still in the game, but they could have been saying that to cover up (or maybe they weren't aware he was already voted out when they told the source that).  It says heated TC, so something would have had to happen at Ta'Keo between one of the former Bayon members for them to suddenly go at it (and nothing like being one of two choices going home for that to happen).  Kass may be deemed untrusthworthy and may be trying to pull the RI Russell Hantz "I've really changed!" card.  If Ciera is deemed too weak to keep around, she may try and argue her value if she feels the ax is coming down on her.  I can't believe Joe or Keith would be targeted or get into a heated discussion with anyone.  Joe possibly because they may want to get rid of him before the merge and he may plead about staying strong in challenges and being loyal.  Of course we know that they can certainly exaggerate what "heated" means.

Edited October 10, 2015 by LadyChatts

[Jextella]

It had Jeremy winning not Spencer.

 

I believe you're talking about this list.

 

PreJury (in order)

Vytas

Shirin

PeihGee

Jeff

Monica

Terry (evac)

Woo

Jury (close to order)

Kass

Stephen

Kelly

Ciera

Andrew

Joe

Keith

Abi (fv)

Kimmi (fv)

Kelley (fv)

Final 3

Tasha

Spencer

Jeremy (w)

 

I'm not sure how I feel about it's validity yet.

 

Just based on how things are panning out thus far, this list makes sense - at least the pre-jury people.  Jeff's tribe is so weak it seems likely he's the next one out.  Monica is weak in challenges and so far, in the social game too.  She's not terribly valuable.  Woo, the same.

 

The middle bunch,

 

Kass

Stephen

Kelly

Ciera

Andrew

Joe

Keith

 

Don't seem great in the strategy department. And, from a social angle, they are nice enough but don't seem to connect well.

 

The next 3:

Abi (fv)

Kimmi (fv)

 

And maybe not as good in challenges as the final 3.  Definately not as strategic as the final three either. 

 

Kelley is great and she seems as strong a player as Tasha, SPencer, and Jeremy, but maybe that's why she is F4.  She needs competition.

Kelley (fv)

 

Final 3

Tasha

Spencer

Jeremy (w)

 

This would be my dream team final 3.  Not only do the play they game, they play it well, and they are smart and nice, etc.  I would be ok with any of them winning,   All 3 are taking the "second chance" concept seriously.  Learning, adapting, improving - from their core - not just mechanics.  

[wonald]

Ever since that Sucks bootlist has been revisited in the aftermath of the PG, everyone and their monkey have been predicting the Varner boot. But I've been struck by how even people who are supposedly unspoiled as Cesternino have talked about Varner as the next boot.

 

The mod at the photo sleuthing subforum is saying that Angkor goes to TC so it's Woo and Varner who are fighting for their lives at TC.

Edited October 10, 2015 by wonald

[anthonyd46]

I'm surprised that Jeff is the thing that people have problems with on that list. The problem I had was with Monica since it's two episodes away and they haven't even bothered setting up her boot.

 

The only reason why I'm still paying attention to the list is that it seemingly calls out the Jeremy Spencer alliance before it happened.

 

Time to go out there with one of the possibilities for next week. What if we had it all wrong. What if Terry didn't get medevac'd? He could easily get voted off next week, receive the news at loser's lodge and go home after that. Two people  going at it at tribal could easily be Kelley and Terry. It would also explain why we're getting "Kelley throwing Terry under the bus" scenes and Terry's overconfident drs. It's possible that they're setting up his boot and not his voluntarily leaving the game.

 

A hoaxer last season had the Rodney/Carolyn/Will/Tyler alliance spoiled before it happened, but they also said the final 3 was Rodney/Carolyn/Will and it wasn't. Hoaxers make things look believable because they might find one one random fact then make it look like everything they know is true when its really they know a single tis bit.

 

Kass could def get voted out. We got this everything is fine front but at TC the gloves come off. Things can change. Kass can easily be idoled out too.

 

As far as Terry I did find the quit thing suspicious. The spoiler said the wife said she talked to him on the phone. That was in a Facebook messenger screenshot in her own words. I am aware the families are able to give players news in an emergency, but would they be able to literally talk to them on the phone if they are still in the game? Thats where it makes me question if he was voted out. I can see an emergency phone call be allowed at Ponderosa, but an emergency phone call allowed in game? I'm not so sure about that. The other thing with that list they have terry 6th out thats impossible we know he is gone by Day 13. 6th boot is not happening on Day 13. 5th boot might, but 6th boot no way. 

[ProfCrash]

If there is a real crisis I can see the producers allowing a player to talk to someone before deciding to quit

[LadyChatts]

http://survivorfever.net/vc_s31_promo_ep4_10_10.html

 

Promo captures from the RC.  I think we know the exact moment Jeff tells them only one person is running the challenge.

[rose711]

If there is a real crisis I can see the producers allowing a player to talk to someone before deciding to quit

They probably have to by law. They also are human beings and care about the contestants.

I would bet the phone call is also to calm the people at home who need you while you are so far away. I hope the producers realize this is only a game and a family member thousands of miles away calling about a family's or death situation should be heard.

By the way, that boot list has no verification. The first few boots were figured out before the list was posted.

A hoaxer last season had the Rodney/Carolyn/Will/Tyler alliance spoiled before it happened, but they also said the final 3 was Rodney/Carolyn/Will and it wasn't. Hoaxers make things look believable because they might find one one random fact then make it look like everything they know is true when its really they know a single tis bit.

 

Kass could def get voted out. We got this everything is fine front but at TC the gloves come off. Things can change. Kass can easily be idoled out too.

 

As far as Terry I did find the quit thing suspicious. The spoiler said the wife said she talked to him on the phone. That was in a Facebook messenger screenshot in her own words. I am aware the families are able to give players news in an emergency, but would they be able to literally talk to them on the phone if they are still in the game? Thats where it makes me question if he was voted out. I can see an emergency phone call be allowed at Ponderosa, but an emergency phone call allowed in game? I'm not so sure about that. The other thing with that list they have terry 6th out thats impossible we know he is gone by Day 13. 6th boot is not happening on Day 13. 5th boot might, but 6th boot no way.

There is absolutely no way Terry was voted out and then conveniently pulled be cause of his son the next day, or whatever. Terry was doing well and his tribe is unlikely to lose a challenge.

Edited October 11, 2015 by rose711

[Jextella]

On July 27, Terry tweeted that his son just survived 39 days in Boston's Childrens Hospital which means admission around mid-June.  Surgery was late August I believe.

 

His son must have gotten sick to be in the hospital that long prior to his surgery....sick enough for Terry to leave. Assuming he left right away, that mean he left the game mid-June.

 

Not sure if that makes sense with filming timing.

[anthonyd46]

Rose I know that makes sense logically but I said that on another forum and someone told me that while that makes sense that they are human beings and the person has a right to know etc the problem is if they do that and say Terry decides he doesn't feel the son is sick enough and stays in the game then he can pull the sympathy card and they don't want people turning sickness into sympathy votes. Even though the JFP grandma story is one of the most epic survivor moments they don't want someone to pull that again on expense of a real sickness. Not that terry is the kind of person to do that, but someone shady like JFP would pull something like that. I'm not sure what the clear cut rule is. However someone did say that to me. 

 

There is absolutely no way Terry was voted out and then conveniently pulled be cause of his son the next day, or whatever. Terry was doing well and his tribe is unlikely to lose a challenge.

 

Anything is possible. The next immunity is blindfolded that negates advantages.

 

39 days before July 27 puts it at June 18. June 18th is Day 19 in the game.

[rose711]

Rose I know that makes sense logically but I said that on another forum and someone told me that while that makes sense that they are human beings and the person has a right to know etc the problem is if they do that and say Terry decides he doesn't feel the son is sick enough and stays in the game then he can pull the sympathy card and they don't want people turning sickness into sympathy votes. Even though the JFP grandma story is one of the most epic survivor moments they don't want someone to pull that again on expense of a real sickness. Not that terry is the kind of person to do that, but someone shady like JFP would pull something like that. I'm not sure what the clear cut rule is. However someone did say that to me.

There is absolutely no way Terry was voted out and then conveniently pulled be cause of his son the next day, or whatever. Terry was doing well and his tribe is unlikely to lose a challenge.

Anything is possible. The next immunity is blindfolded that negates advantages.

39 days before July 27 puts it at June 18. June 18th is Day 19 in the game.

You think Terry would decide not to come home if his wife called and said their son was in the hospital? I think Terry would come home anytime his wife called him in the game because he knows and trusts her judgement.

Terry might love Survivor but he has his life priorities very clear. His family is always going to matter more.

I hope you are right about Angkor not going to tribal. I want to see some fresh faces at tribal. Maybe two teams go to tribal ? But Terry is not first on the block there to go home, I think Kass is still a huge contender.

I dont read the episode summary as a spoiler. Angkor could still go to tribal and Abi could continue to cause trouble.

Edited October 11, 2015 by rose711

[anthonyd46]

You think Terry would decide not to come home if his wife called and said their son was in the hospital? I think Terry would come home anytime his wife called him in the game because he knows and trusts her judgement.

Terry might love Survivor but he has his life priorities very clear. His family is always going to matter more.

I hope you are right about Angkor not going to tribal. I want to see some fresh faces at tribal. Maybe two teams go to tribal ? But Terry is not first on the block there to go home, I think Kass is still a huge contender.

I dont read the episode summary as a spoiler. Angkor could still go to tribal and Abi could continue to cause trouble.

I said :

 

"Not that terry is the kind of person to do that, but someone shady like JFP would pull something like that. I'm not sure what the clear cut rule is. However someone did say that to me." 

 

I don't know if its on a case by case basis or one solid rule of no phone calls.  Plus that doing well part I don't think they would spoil if Terry were voted out. Terry is on the wrong side of the numbers. The Bayon 4 is very close. I don't think they are breaking up unless one of them is idoled out. Angkor could go to TC, but I'm just comparing it to other ones.

 

White Collar castaways strip down and embrace their free-spirited "no collar" tendencies. Blue Collar castaways disagree when it comes to heavy lifting at camp, and one castaway struggles to adapt to her new tribe mates. - The non labeled tribe is the no collar and nina

 

A division of labor causes cracks in the hard-working Blue Collar tribe. Also, one castaway's strategy during the immunity challenge completely backfires. - Joe different tribe

 

One castaway struggles to fit in after a shocking tribal council. Also, winning a reward gives one castaway a new outlook on life and the game. - Sierra/Shirin

 

Three castaways face a game-changing decision minutes after the competition begins. Meanwhile, one tribe pours both blood and sweat into an early challenge and one castaway seeks revenge after discovering that her tribe wants to vote her out. - David, Sarah, LJ / Brawn/ J'Tia

 

I looked up ones in the last 3 seasons to have a similar description its never the same tribe.

[wonald]

 

I don't know if its on a case by case basis or one solid rule of no phone calls.  Plus that doing well part I don't think they would spoil if Terry were voted out. Terry is on the wrong side of the numbers. The Bayon 4 is very close. I don't think they are breaking up unless one of them is idoled out. Angkor could go to TC, but I'm just comparing it to other ones.

 

 

There is nothing to indicate that the oldBayon 4 are close beyond that they are old Bayon.

On my second watch, I was struck by the conversation between Kass and Ciera. They were like - "we lucked out, I feel good about Joe and Keith."  Why would they need to talk about it if the 4 are close? We know that Joe and Keith are in the alpha alliance together. Kass and Ciera dont seem to have much of a connection, much less an alliance.  And they are certainly not part of the old alpha alliance.

 

Kass seems to have a side thing going with Joe as part of the many secret scenes. Her saying - "I feel good about Joe" were captioned, leading me to think that when she is blindsided, Joe will be a part of that.