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If a person/family was never featured on any of the Duggar shows, and is not related to the Duggar family by blood or marriage, they do not need to be discussed here..

We may all agree that David Rodriques is quite unfortunate looking, but let's refrain from comparing human beings to apes, its got way too much of a loaded history- please review the new Inclusion Policy updated May 1, 2022 , which details guidelines around discussing body type, capabilities, physical appearance etc. Additionally, using body size as an insult is not allowed.

 

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I agree, the accident was scary and I don't blame her for being upset about it.  It's just that her first instinct, upon arriving at the hospital ER, was to photograph her daughters lying on backboard

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Oh my, that must be why the utiliy company here has the "call before you dig" ads. 

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In what way would ANYONE other than this idjit consider vaginal birth to be 'non-conventional'.  Even in this day and age, most births are vaginal.  As to the 'little to no pain meds', once again, sou

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Notabug

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14 minutes ago, Picture It. Sicily said:

She stopped gushing about the Duggars immediately after the wedding of the century. I think the common assumption has been that Anna acted like her smug self during the festivities and it offended Jill. Whatever it was was enough for her to unfollow Anna on SM, but not enough for her to have a full public snit. It could have been anything, real or perceived, who knows with Jill.

I wonder if she hadn't invited a bunch o'Duggars to the royal wedding and was miffed that nobody but FF showed up.  Then, if Anna ignored her, which she probably did, that was the end of Jill's infatuation with the Duggars.

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iwantcookies

iwantcookies

21 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

Can you imagine Jill chasing down unsuspecting widowers? I can't imagine anyone wanting to marry her and taking on her starving brood!

Well the kids don’t get much food. But supporting Jill will cost a lot. Her monthly maintenance must be huge!

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sagittarius sue

sagittarius sue

3 hours ago, Kiki620 said:

Does anyone believe for a second that GWE, he of no discernable personality or spark, truly calls Jill his "Jillybean"?  The most he calls her is probably a grunt that sounds like "woman".  

No one knows about this (least of all Jill) but to himself he refers to her as "She Who Must Be Obeyed."

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Westiepeach

Westiepeach

22 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

I’m sure that the Duggars are on the poo list for the Rodrigues:

Anna and Josh ignored Jill and HUNK during the wedding 

Gave a disappointing gift in Jill’s eyes

Would not pose for pictures with Jill 

 

 

And… Anna dissed Nurie’s wedding gown.

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lascuba

lascuba

2 hours ago, Picture It. Sicily said:

She stopped gushing about the Duggars immediately after the wedding of the century. I think the common assumption has been that Anna acted like her smug self during the festivities and it offended Jill. Whatever it was was enough for her to unfollow Anna on SM, but not enough for her to have a full public snit. It could have been anything, real or perceived, who knows with Jill.

If I had to pick a side I'd slam my head into wall, but the Anna-Jill "feud" was hilarious to me. I could just imagine Anna's attitude towards Jill, and Jill being...herself. Anna dressed like she was cleaning out a garage to her brother's wedding, and the very next day wore a nice dress to the Ark Encounter. The shade! 

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SMama

SMama

13 minutes ago, lascuba said:

If I had to pick a side I'd slam my head into wall, but the Anna-Jill "feud" was hilarious to me. I could just imagine Anna's attitude towards Jill, and Jill being...herself. Anna dressed like she was cleaning out a garage to her brother's wedding, and the very next day wore a nice dress to the Ark Encounter. The shade! 

I was not aware of this. Does anyone have pictures?

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lascuba

lascuba

23 minutes ago, SMama said:

I was not aware of this. Does anyone have pictures?

Here's  a picture from the Ark Encounter. I remember seeing a more close up one but this is on Anna's insta. And the post right after that one is about the her parents' anniversary and Nathan's wedding, with her parents' posted first and Nathan/Nurie's second so one doesn't see it if scrolling down Anna's page. 

This is a short clip I just found on reddit of Anna at the wedding. 

 

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BradandJanet

BradandJanet

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Wasn't that the same weekend that the Keller children had planned their parents' 40th anniversary party? And Jill weaseled her way into it?

That party was much nicer than Nurie's sad reception. 

Yes. Jill saw an opportunity to grift meals for her entire family, and she joyfully took advantage of it. 

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emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

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Carlin's update. She was at the ER again today after passing out again, this time with seizures. This is the 4th time in about 10 days. The hospital where she ended up at couldn't do an EEG, so she has to see a neurologist. She also mentioned POTS, so that's on their radar, and they're going to see a cardiologist. 

She's really ill. What a mess. 

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andromeda331

andromeda331

9 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Carlin's update. She was at the ER again today after passing out again, this time with seizures. This is the 4th time in about 10 days. The hospital where she ended up at couldn't do an EEG, so she has to see a neurologist. She also mentioned POTS, so that's on their radar, and they're going to see a cardiologist. 

She's really ill. What a mess. 

That's not good. I hope she's okay.

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Notabug

Notabug

6 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Carlin's update. She was at the ER again today after passing out again, this time with seizures. This is the 4th time in about 10 days. The hospital where she ended up at couldn't do an EEG, so she has to see a neurologist. She also mentioned POTS, so that's on their radar, and they're going to see a cardiologist. 

She's really ill. What a mess. 

I'm not sure why she thinks she needs to keep going back to the ER rather than following up with specialists.  If the ER was really concerned that there was something significantly wrong with her, she wouldn't have been sent home each and every time.  If she'd shown signs of having had an actual seizure, they would've probably admitted her.  Chances are, it wasn't a seizure.  Interesting, too, that she just recently spent multiple days gallivanting around California without a single 'episode' but has now had 4 of them in the first day or so after returning home.

I think she may well have a physical condition underlying some of her symptoms, but it looks like there is also a significant emotional component to her problems.

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emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

1 minute ago, Notabug said:

I'm not sure why she thinks she needs to keep going back to the ER rather than following up with specialists.  If the ER was really concerned that there was something significantly wrong with her, she wouldn't have been sent home each and every time.  If she'd shown signs of having had an actual seizure, they would've probably admitted her.  Chances are, it wasn't a seizure.  Interesting, too, that she just recently spent multiple days gallivanting around California without a single 'episode' but has now had 4 of them in the first day or so after returning home.

I think she may well have a physical condition underlying some of her symptoms, but it looks like there is also a significant emotional component to her problems.

POTS can manifest after a bacterial or viral infection. She had bacterial meningitis shortly after having Layla, and of course she had Covid, Summer 2020, IIRC. 

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Cinnabon

Cinnabon

1 minute ago, Notabug said:

I'm not sure why she thinks she needs to keep going back to the ER rather than following up with specialists.  If the ER was really concerned that there was something significantly wrong with her, she wouldn't have been sent home each and every time.  If she'd shown signs of having had an actual seizure, they would've probably admitted her.  Chances are, it wasn't a seizure.  Interesting, too, that she just recently spent multiple days gallivanting around California without a single 'episode' but has now had 4 of them in the first day or so after returning home.

I think she may well have a physical condition underlying some of her symptoms, but it looks like there is also a significant emotional component to her problems.

I find this whole situation questionable as well. They must have really great insurance if she’s gone to the ER multiple times and had quite a few tests. Those visits likely cost tens of thousands of dollars. What kind of a deductible do they have?

And yes, she seems incredibly dim. Traveling across the country when she was allegedly that seriously ill? Hmmmmm. Probably maskless on crowded flights when Covid numbers have been increasing? Getting Covid (again?) on top of whatever illness she already has could be very dangerous. 

And multiple seizures? Was she actually unconscious and flailing during them? I too wonder if she knows what seizures actually are. 
 

 

1 minute ago, P2C2E said:

The ER will absolutely send you home even if something is wrong. Unless they're admitting you they get you out as soon as possible. 

Depends on what it is. Does she have a regular PCP? I’m sure they would have referred her to a specialist asap.

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Notabug

Notabug

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28 minutes ago, P2C2E said:

The ER will absolutely send you home even if something is wrong. Unless they're admitting you they get you out as soon as possible. 

If you present to the ER after passing out and your family members claim you had a seizure, they are going to at the very minimum, do a good neuro exam and a CT scan as well as basic bloodwork. Carlin has also been wearing a heart monitor and it would alert someone if something was terribly wrong.  If something is truly amiss, they are not going to release you without at least the ok from a specialist.  To keep going to the EMERGENCY room for symptoms that keep recurring when they've ruled out the big stuff that requires admission, is a waste of time and one of the reasons some people get delayed diagnoses.

Carlin may have POTS, but it is not a condition that is diagnosable on an emergency basis and not something most ER docs would be trained to diagnose or treat,  It is a chronic condition, not an emergency, and, by now, Carlin and her family should've figured that out.  The days when a physician or the ER could just admit somebody to the hospital for a few days to run some tests and give them a rest are over. So, going to the ER because she keeps having the same non-emergent symptoms is not going to get her anywhere

I remember Gil Bates talking on-camera about how they didn't need family doctors because they could just pop on into the ER and get great care.  I presume it was because they didn't have health insurance and the ER is required to take all comers.  Since Carlin just gave birth, she should at the very least, still have Medicaid which would make it possible for her to see most specialists.  However, I am sure her Daddy engrained in her that the ER was better and that's why she goes there rather than getting a scheduled apppointment with a specialist.  And, because her frequent trips to the ER are bringing her lots more hits on the 'gram than a boring old scheduled doctor's appointment.

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And multiple seizures? Was she actually unconscious and flailing during them? I too wonder if she knows what seizures actually are. 

When someone passes out, they often will twitch or shake or their eyes will roll back.  They may groan or make incoherent noises.  Lay people might be concerned that this was a seizure but it is possible for medical professionals to get the history and be pretty certain whether it was a seizure or not.  Carlin has claimed to have had seizuers with other episodes, but still got sent home not on anti-seizure meds.  A new mother, especially one with a clotting disorder, who actually presents with a new onset seizure is going to get a massive workup in the ER and would not be sent home until they were sure she hadn't had a brain bleed on heparin, or, if off heparin, that she didn't have a blood clot in her head.  She seems to be upping the ante, last story, it was that she was shaking for half an hour with the 'seizure', now she is having multiple seizures in a row.  Her story is troubling, but the fact that she was able to fly out to California and party with the family for several days with nary a symptom in the midst of the drama makes me think it wasn't a seizure.

POTS is usually diagnosed after all of the really bad stuff is ruled out and usually is done with a tilt table test.  This is not done in the ER, it is too time consuming and POTS is not an emergent condition.  The test also needs to be interpreted by a practitioner with experience in doing it like a neurologist.  An ER doc would not know how to do it even if it could be done there.

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emmawoodhouse

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Just now, iwantcookies said:

She probably doesn’t have $ to see regular doctors or she chooses not to. You’d be surprised how many people don’t see doctors on the regular basis.

 

Evan talked about making appointments with specialists. Unfortunately, it could be weeks before they can schedule her.

awaken

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On 5/16/2022 at 11:01 PM, iwantcookies said:

Oh how pornographic 🤣

Very sluttish of her. 

10 hours ago, Kiki620 said:

Does anyone believe for a second that GWE, he of no discernable personality or spark, truly calls Jill his "Jillybean"?  The most he calls her is probably a grunt that sounds like "woman".  

Just another crafted lie to make others envious of her attentive and sweet "hunk".  

I’m sure Jillybean is a nickname she gave herself!  Agree, I can’t see David having enough gumption to think of that. 

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Cinnabon

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28 minutes ago, Notabug said:

She seems to be upping the ante, last story, it was that she was shaking for half an hour with the 'seizure', now she is having multiple seizures in a row.  Her story is troubling, but the fact that she was able to fly out to California and party with the family for several days with nary a symptom in the midst of the drama makes me think it wasn't a seizure.

I’m not sure if seizures are similar in animals and humans, but my 18+ year old cat has been having seizures for the past few months. And yes, the vet asked me to describe the incidents in some detail so she could be sure they were indeed seizures. At least in cats, they are unconscious during seizures and often lose control of their bowels and bladders. This is what happened to mine. It was terrifying - she looked like she was possessed flailing all over and couldn’t respond to me until it was over and she was conscious again. The seizures last a few minutes at most, never a half hour. Again, I’m not sure if humans experience seizures this same way, but her story seems very questionable. 

Cinnabon

Cinnabon

Just did some quick research and found this:

A seizure that lasts longer than 5 minutes, or having more than 1 seizure within a 5 minutes period, without returning to a normal level of consciousness between episodes is called status epilepticus. This is a medical emergency that may lead to permanent brain damage or death.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/status-epilepticus?amp=true

i call BS on Carlin’s alleged “seizures.”

 

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GeeGolly

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I'm down the middle. I definitely think Carlin has a real issue and they're probably freaking out a little, and they're also a little dim. Who knows what these ERs are telling them and what they understand.

My friend was diagnosed with POTS around 15 years ago. She was admitted for a couple of days after presenting at the ER, but her age might have factored in, as she was in her 40s. But it took her about a year to get a diagnosis.

As @emmawoodhouse said, an infection can kick POTS into gear and so can a recent pregnancy. Not only did Carlin have covid two years ago, but I believe she had it this past Christmas as well. POTS, EDS and MCAS have been doing awareness campaigns a lot in the past few years, so I'm not surprised they mentioned it.

Josie's husband Kelton seems to run a legit business and I'm guessing they offer a health insurance plan, but ER co-pays are still usually in the hundreds.

Poor Whitney, first Erin gets sick and now Carlin. I guess Kelly will need to step up her time at the dress shop.

From what I understand about seizures is they can be almost unnoticeable to actual convulsions and a few different ways in between.

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Cinnabon

Cinnabon

6 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Maybe she's not having seizures, but some symptoms that mimic them. They say she shakes uncontrollably, and she says she goes numb. 

Then she shouldn’t be claiming that she’s been having seizures. If the hospital released her without any seizure meds, it seems unlikely. Surely they spoke to her about possible other causes for her symptoms.

6 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm down the middle. I definitely think Carlin has a real issue and they're probably freaking out a little, and they're also a little dim. Who knows what these ERs are telling them and what they understand.

My friend was diagnosed with POTS around 15 years ago. She was admitted for a couple of days after presenting at the ER, but her age might have factored in, as she was in her 40s. But it took her about a year to get a diagnosis.

As @emmawoodhouse said, an infection can kick POTS into gear and so can a recent pregnancy. Not only did Carlin have covid two years ago, but I believe she had it this past Christmas as well. POTS, EDS and MCAS have been doing awareness campaigns a lot in the past few years, so I'm not surprised they mentioned it.

Josie's husband Kelton seems to run a legit business and I'm guessing they offer a health insurance plan, but ER co-pays are still usually in the hundreds.

Poor Whitney, first Erin gets sick and now Carlin. I guess Kelly will need to step up her time at the dress shop.

From what I understand about seizures is they can be almost unnoticeable to actual convulsions and a few different ways in between.

Any thoughts on why her alleged symptoms seemingly ceased during her trip to California?

emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

Then she shouldn’t be claiming that she’s been having seizures. If the hospital released her without any seizure meds, it seems unlikely. Surely they spoke to her about possible other causes for her symptoms.

It's possible she was given meds this trip to the ER. She was still there when they made their video.  We just don't know, because they don't give us every single detail of her prognosis, likely because it's unknown. Additionally, C&E probably don't understand half of what's being said. They don't seem to have another way to convey what's happening other than to say she's seizing. They've described what happens to her, and her symptoms are bizarre. But seizures? I'm not sure. 

Hopefully, the ER visit yields referrals to the specialists she needs to see sooner rather than later.

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sixlets

sixlets

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

I'm not sure why she thinks she needs to keep going back to the ER rather than following up with specialists.  If the ER was really concerned that there was something significantly wrong with her, she wouldn't have been sent home each and every time.  If she'd shown signs of having had an actual seizure, they would've probably admitted her.  Chances are, it wasn't a seizure.  Interesting, too, that she just recently spent multiple days gallivanting around California without a single 'episode' but has now had 4 of them in the first day or so after returning home.

I think she may well have a physical condition underlying some of her symptoms, but it looks like there is also a significant emotional component to her problems.

Please do not take my post personally.  It was just the one that jumped out the most.  When a person is dealing with POTS or similar symptoms, the last thing for anyone to say it's *just mental health issues or anxiety*.  Many of the experiences that POTS patients deal with have nothing do with mental health or anxiety in the least.  They are physical.  For her going to the ER before seeing a specialist may be due to her insurance.  Mr. Six & I have an insurance where referrals are not needed and we can self-refer.  Not every company has that option.  If she were to show up at her PCP or urgent care, she would have likely got sent to the ER anyway.  As for the trip to CA for Lawson's wedding-she could have had enough fluids in the ER to lessen her symptoms and make it easier to go. Right now, no one knows exactly what's going on with Carlin.  But, please take it from someone who understands.  I can tell you she's frustrated, tired, and very, very scared, and she wants answers.  Like I mentioned briefly, I'm not a fan of this family at all.  But, my heart is breaking for Carlin if this is her true diagnosis.  There are no cures, only treatments.  And, you may end having multiple medical disciplines taking care of one person. This is a real disease.  A real physical disease.  Not every disease or condition has a psychology component.  
 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

3 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Then she shouldn’t be claiming that she’s been having seizures. If the hospital released her without any seizure meds, it seems unlikely. Surely they spoke to her about possible other causes for her symptoms.

Any thoughts on why her alleged symptoms seemingly ceased during her trip to California?

From what I understand about POTS (which is very little) is the symptoms aren't always full on passing out. It also includes lightheadedness upon standing and I'm not sure if patients have noticeable symptoms every day.

It certainly could be something other than POTS, including anxiety. Anxiety is also real and should be taken seriously as it can be very hard to deal with.

I actually feel bad for Carlin because many diagnoses can take months, years and sometimes decades. And the pandemic has hit the medical community the hardest and they too are impacted by delays.

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Cinnabon

Cinnabon

6 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It's possible she was given meds this trip to the ER. She was still there when they made their video.  We just don't know, because they don't give us every single detail of her prognosis, likely because it's unknown. Additionally, C&E probably don't understand half of what's being said. They don't seem to have another way to convey what's happening other than to say she's seizing. They've described what happens to her, and her symptoms are bizarre. But seizures? I'm not sure. 

Hopefully, the ER visit yields referrals to the specialists she needs to see sooner rather than later.

If they’re making videos in the damn ER, it would seem that it’s not quite that serious. Who does that? Other than Jill R, lol.

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Cinnabon

Cinnabon

6 minutes ago, sixlets said:

Please do not take my post personally.  It was just the one that jumped out the most.  When a person is dealing with POTS or similar symptoms, the last thing for anyone to say it's *just mental health issues or anxiety*.  Many of the experiences that POTS patients deal with have nothing do with mental health or anxiety in the least.  They are physical.  For her going to the ER before seeing a specialist may be due to her insurance.  Mr. Six & I have an insurance where referrals are not needed and we can self-refer.  Not every company has that option.  If she were to show up at her PCP or urgent care, she would have likely got sent to the ER anyway.  As for the trip to CA for Lawson's wedding-she could have had enough fluids in the ER to lessen her symptoms and make it easier to go. Right now, no one knows exactly what's going on with Carlin.  But, please take it from someone who understands.  I can tell you she's frustrated, tired, and very, very scared, and she wants answers.  Like I mentioned briefly, I'm not a fan of this family at all.  But, my heart is breaking for Carlin if this is her true diagnosis.  There are no cures, only treatments.  And, you may end having multiple medical disciplines taking care of one person. This is a real disease.  A real physical disease.  Not every disease or condition has a psychology component.  
 

If she and her husband were truly that scared, they wouldn’t have flown thousands of miles to the other side of the country. Maybe they should have been recording exactly what the doctors in the ER were telling them instead of posting to millions of strangers on SM.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

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I'm not fan of Carlin, but I think when they decided to go to CA they thought is was due to blood levels that were improving. I think by now they know that isn't the case.

I remember when my anxiety started years (and years) ago. My symptoms were very scary and concerning, but I still had to go on living while we figured it out. I had a slew of medical tests over the course of a year for things that needed to be ruled out and I was only in my late 20s. You just kind of have to compartmentalize, adjust accordingly and hope for the best.

But anyway, we're kind of seeing how a lot of diagnoses unfold. Literally live. 😢🙃

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Cinnabon

Cinnabon

31 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

She seems to be paying for that trip now. Scared? Probably. Stupid? Definitely. I bet they thought they could forget everything by going on that trip. 

And they'll make thousands when the wedding video drops. 🙄

She could have had a “seizure” on the long flight. 🤦‍♀️ 2 long flights, round trip.

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If a person/family was never featured on any of the Duggar shows, and is not related to the Duggar family by blood or marriage, they do not need to be discussed here..

We may all agree that David Rodriques is quite unfortunate looking, but let's refrain from comparing human beings to apes, its got way too much of a loaded history- please review the new Inclusion Policy updated May 1, 2022 , which details guidelines around discussing body type, capabilities, physical appearance etc. Additionally, using body size as an insult is not allowed.

 

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