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Like Sand Through an Hourglass: Behind the Scenes of DOOL

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The Behind The Scenes thread is not a spoiler thread.  So spoilers, including casting information, do not belong in here.  The "behind the scenes" information specifically related to casting should go in either the spoiler thread or the Salem International thread which discusses. departures and arrivals thread. 

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Weird article.

First:

Peacock/Corday/Sony have been swamped with some 2,000 pieces of fan mail demanding that Ari Zucker be reinstated on the show.

Really? Letters? Is it 1994 again? I'm doubtful.

Then this:

"I think any smart business model would focus on having a soap opera that is soapy and pleases the fans and not make everything into a political battle. Stop focusing on socio-political camel sh*t and get back to giving us a good dirty soap to watch. We want to see Nicole! The show is dying because of these stupid public squabbles over stuff the viewers don't care about."

...um, no. We care about BTS stuff. Sometimes it even changes how we feel about actors and producers. Its complicated.

Anyway it's a weird article, less about Ari returning and more about Kola.

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CanaryFan98

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8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

My guess would be Judi or Suzanne.  They are veterans and have seen a lot.

 

I didn't even think of Suzanne I assumed it was Deidre. Judi was on AW when this happened. However she is also a good guess because she was probably around RKK when he was on AW.

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CanaryFan98

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5 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I'm sorry, I'm totally lost. What's this Peggy storyline?

"Peggy" is an actress from Days of our LIves that wants to remain anonymous. She referenced Ari's lawsuit and while she supports her stance she wouldn't ever put her name to it. However this sort of thing predates Alarr. Defends Ken to a point however he let Alarr have too much power etc. The incident she was referring to predating Alarr was how RKK harassed Crystal Chappell(Carly) and Lisa Rinna(Billie). Apparently RKK got a bit too rough in their love scenes which bothered CC a lot. Her then boyfriend now husband Michael Sabatino(Lawrence) went after him for it ended up hitting the guy that tried to break it up. MS got fired over this. CC ended up quitting in solidarity obviously(which explains their exits in 1993). Kristian Alfonso didn't like him either and refused to sign a contract until they got rid of RKK. The show wanted to keep her so RKK was fired and they brought back Peter Reckell as Bo. 

She talked about how these soap sets are fuck farms which blurs the line between harassment and affairs(which apparently still go on).  The reason why I think it's Deidre was because she was there at the time and also "Peggy" mentioned wanting Martha Madison to return along with Ari. I don't know who else would care about Martha returning more than her TV mom.

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Desperado

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5 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I'm sorry, I'm totally lost. What's this Peggy storyline?

Now I’m confused as you commented on the article detailing the Peggy thing?

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I read through it and didn't see the Peggy name anywhere, nor did I see this story about RKK - it was only just about Ari and Kola. It appears much longer now.

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Irlandesa

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5 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Kristian Alfonso didn't like him either and refused to sign a contract until they got rid of RKK. The show wanted to keep her so RKK was fired and they brought back Peter Reckell as Bo.

IIRC, RKK also got into a relationship with the woman (underage?) who'd eventually become his now ex-wife around this time and Alison Sweeney's parents pulled her from the set.  I think that also helped RKK's exit. 

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40 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

IIRC, RKK also got into a relationship with the woman (underage?) who'd eventually become his now ex-wife around this time and Alison Sweeney's parents pulled her from the set.  I think that also helped RKK's exit. 

Miriam Parrish, who played Sami's friend, Jamie.

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CanaryFan98

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2 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I read through it and didn't see the Peggy name anywhere, nor did I see this story about RKK - it was only just about Ari and Kola. It appears much longer now.

It’s mentioned at the beginning of the story in the link. 

1 hour ago, Irlandesa said:

IIRC, RKK also got into a relationship with the woman (underage?) who'd eventually become his now ex-wife around this time and Alison Sweeney's parents pulled her from the set.  I think that also helped RKK's exit. 

AS was still on the set just not in scenes with him

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Soapy Goddess

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15 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I didn't even think of Suzanne I assumed it was Deidre. Judi was on AW when this happened. However she is also a good guess because she was probably around RKK when he was on AW.

The reason why I suggested Suzanne is because the author wasn't too concerned about masking RKK's identity by calling him "Roberto Bo". 

So when I saw the name Peggy, unless he meant Mrs. Brady which I seriously doubt since she's no longer with us, I was trying to figure out the correlation. The only thing I could come up with is Peggy/Maggie. 

And assuming the author was quoting Peggy verbatim, at first it sounded a lot like Judi. The only other veteran women would be Diedre or Suzanne, which led me to the possibility of Peggy/Maggie.

Yes, I gave it WAY too much thought. LOL.

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DanaMB

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20 minutes ago, brisbydog said:

Goodbye Benalex and Leo. 

Apparently Ron’s stuff will run through April 2025! 😳

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DanaMB

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2 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

The tape to air delay is 8 months 

I know. Just seeing it in writing like that shows how insane that is. 

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DisneyBoy

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...realistically, I'm guessing Ron wanted to move on, or maybe TPTB wanted to hire someone with less of a resume and therefore spend less money, maybe.

 

EDIT: Although, it makes you wonder....Ron is an out, gay showrunner...and with the political climate the way it is and apparently much of the staff being conservative....will everything gay go with him?

Leo can absolutely go, no qualms there, but its entirely possible that it may all go....

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Rodney

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Paula Cwikly's a pretty good writer, though I wish that they'd also brought Peter Brash brought.  They wrote from 2000-03 and gave us some pretty good soap during that time.

I'm eager to see what Paula has in store for us, although we're not going to see it until sometime next year.

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Artsda

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8 hours ago, brisbydog said:

Two women. Goodbye Benalex and Leo. 

 

Jeanne Ford has been a breakdown writer at days for years.

 

This is good news

Leo maybe but Alex no.  RSW is 10 years there before RC. 

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CanaryFan98

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20 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Leo maybe but Alex no.  RSW is 10 years there before RC. 

 

I don't think the rest of the show cares about RSW like Ron does though tbh. 

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methodwriter85

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46 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I don't think the rest of the show cares about RSW like Ron does though tbh. 

Deidre Hall was supposedly the one who campaigned for Ben/RSW to go back on contract after he had already been written off. Ben was originally brought back to facilitate the whole "Will's not really dead" storyline but then they decided to keep him, leading eventually to the CIN storyline.

I mean, it could just be general PR bullshit but I genuinely think Diedre Hall is in RSW's corner. 

In any event, I do like the campy stuff and a lot of the gay stuff but it'll be interesting to see what happens with the show. I wonder if it was a salary dispute, or the show just cleaning house after the scandal. 

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Irlandesa

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He was only there for 7 years?  It feels like longer but maybe that's because of his stints on GH/OLTL.  I wonder if he's going back to GH. 

27 minutes ago, methodwriter85 said:

I wonder if it was a salary dispute, or the show just cleaning house after the scandal.

It sounds like he might have been fired if today was his last day.  Then again, this could have been in the works for a while and only made the news once it was official. 

I don't think he had anything to do with the scandal.  Alan didn't report to him. I don't even think Ron lives in CA or is ever on set. 

He also doesn't have final say in who is in the cast.  Sure, he might have said he'd like to have Leo and Corday made that happen.  But I don't think he can say that he wants to get rid of someone the show thinks is valuable. 

 

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methodwriter85

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1 minute ago, Irlandesa said:

It sounds like he might have been fired if today was his last day.  Then again, this could have been in the works for a while and only made the news once it was official. 

I wonder if there's an upcoming storyline that Peacock looked at and went, "Nope." Maybe the Heart and Soul storyline gets just a little too close too home or something? I could see Ron deciding to make some meta commentary on the lawsuit through Heart and Soul and Peacock getting furious. 

It's interesting when specific storylines get headwriters fired. I believe that Susan Lucci got the headwriter fired for the "Phantom Erica of the Opera" storyline where she had to wear a mask for months. Ironically I think that was the storyline that finally got Susan Lucci the Best Actress Daytime Emmy.

Wasn't that one dude who got fired from GH and came over to Days as a breakdown writer? Patrick Mulcaney? I really liked the stuff he was writing on GH and I hope he can influence the show for the better.

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DisneyBoy

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3 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

He was only there for 7 years?  It feels like longer

He's burned through a lot of characters and storylines....hopefully the new team will be more measured in their approach.

2 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I wonder if there's an upcoming storyline that Peacock looked at and went, "Nope." Maybe the Heart and Soul storyline gets just a little too close too home or something? I could see Ron deciding to make some meta commentary on the lawsuit through Heart and Soul and Peacock getting furious. 

I was wondering the same thing.

Maybe they'll go back and reshoot/tweak things a bit to cut out his last storylines?

Ron also just came back after a long absence because of the strike. Maybe Corday liked having a break from him during that period...maybe Sherri and the scabs made him see the show differently.

So this means the 60th anniversary will be in new hands!

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Irlandesa

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3 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I wonder if there's an upcoming storyline that Peacock looked at and went, "Nope." Maybe the Heart and Soul storyline gets just a little too close too home or something? I could see Ron deciding to make some meta commentary on the lawsuit through Heart and Soul and Peacock getting furious. 

Stories get shot down all the time so unless it was outrageously offensive that they questioned his judgment, I doubt that would have led to him leaving unless he left because he couldn't tell the story.

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methodwriter85

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2 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Stories get shot down all the time so unless it was outrageously offensive that they questioned his judgment, I doubt that would have led to him leaving unless he left because he couldn't tell the story.

Maybe a story where a vengeful actress on Heart and Soul accuses Abe of sexual harassment and it's up to Kate to clear him?

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JAYJAY1979

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On 7/19/2024 at 1:15 PM, CanaryFan98 said:

I admit I never thought they would get rid of him tbh. I guess this is a sign the show will be renewed because why change writers otherwise 

To tie up the show in a satisfying way.]

It happened to AMC when they brought back Lorraine Broderick in it's final months on ABC.  So I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case here... but I do hear it does well in views on Peacock.

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CanaryFan98

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5 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

To tie up the show in a satisfying way.]

It happened to AMC when they brought back Lorraine Broderick in it's final months on ABC.  So I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case here... but I do hear it does well in views on Peacock.

I won't lie that thought crossed my mind but I figured they would have Sheri Anderson do it. Unless they are bringing back fan favorites to wrap it up. Only Greg Rikkart and Robert Scott Wilson wished Ron well I noticed nobody else did(unless I missed it).

If they are wrapping it up I expect a mass exodus of some of these characters to bring back some fan favorites.

16 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Stories get shot down all the time so unless it was outrageously offensive that they questioned his judgment, I doubt that would have led to him leaving unless he left because he couldn't tell the story.

I wonder what he could have done that was so outrageous compared to his rape adjacent comments from last year on Twitter. Or asking to touch Sal Stowers hair when she posted about it on Twitter. 

 

Then again maybe I don't want to know.

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brisbydog

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12 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

 Only Greg Rikkart and Robert Scott Wilson wished Ron well I noticed nobody else did(unless I missed it).

Julie Dove(Connie). Nobody else. Those are the 3 I expected honestly. Maybe Emily O'Brien if she hadn't been put through the ringer the past year

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DisneyBoy

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44 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

It was in Page Six. I don’t see  this ending well for her

....as in, the engagement will be broken off, or he'll end up hurting her again, or her word will no longer count...?

Or all the above?

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Mckinnonsgirl

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On 6/29/2024 at 3:44 PM, CanaryFan98 said:

"Peggy" is an actress from Days of our LIves that wants to remain anonymous. She referenced Ari's lawsuit and while she supports her stance she wouldn't ever put her name to it. However this sort of thing predates Alarr. Defends Ken to a point however he let Alarr have too much power etc. The incident she was referring to predating Alarr was how RKK harassed Crystal Chappell(Carly) and Lisa Rinna(Billie). Apparently RKK got a bit too rough in their love scenes which bothered CC a lot. Her then boyfriend now husband Michael Sabatino(Lawrence) went after him for it ended up hitting the guy that tried to break it up. MS got fired over this. CC ended up quitting in solidarity obviously(which explains their exits in 1993). Kristian Alfonso didn't like him either and refused to sign a contract until they got rid of RKK. The show wanted to keep her so RKK was fired and they brought back Peter Reckell as Bo. 

She talked about how these soap sets are fuck farms which blurs the line between harassment and affairs(which apparently still go on).  The reason why I think it's Deidre was because she was there at the time and also "Peggy" mentioned wanting Martha Madison to return along with Ari. I don't know who else would care about Martha returning more than her TV mom.

Kristian had already signed a contract in 1994 upon her return, but they are right that she did not like RKK, he treated her badly, and she heard and saw some things with younger female cast members (not just his future wife Miriam Parrish) that concerned her and she went to bat for them,   I believe Rinna backed her up.   Kristian then  campaigned to bring PR back, and then convinced Peter who was reluctant at first,  he spoke about this upon his return in 95 in a few interviews he did and how much he appreciated Kristian for that.  :) 

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methodwriter85

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22 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

....as in, the engagement will be broken off, or he'll end up hurting her again, or her word will no longer count...?

Or all the above?

Damn, I was hoping she had a happily ever after. This can't be good.

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Retired at last

Retired at last

Who was this about? I was under the impression that Greg Vaughn was leaving with Ari, and then he was coming back and leaving for good at the end of the year. Is that who this is? Or Greg/Leo?

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CanaryFan98

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1 hour ago, Retired at last said:

Who was this about? I was under the impression that Greg Vaughn was leaving with Ari, and then he was coming back and leaving for good at the end of the year. Is that who this is? Or Greg/Leo?

Greg Vaughan 

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DisneyBoy

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Huh. Yeah, I thought the same thing, Retired.

Maybe he means Eric comes back briefly but is otherwise gone for good..?

I mean, sorry Greg....but in fairness, him leaving the show for over a year right after his character got married wrecked Ericole completely. 

So.... 👀

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CanaryFan98

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I would be surprised if GV never returns I mean he's on good terms with the show(compared to Ari). I figure he would just visit occasionally which is the best case scenario tbh. 

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DisneyBoy

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Not surprised. So much has happened that could have involved Sami already. They've got catching up to do.

The big question is whether or not they'll shoehorn in another round of Ejami. I really hope not.

 

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