Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Camera One]

4 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

If Rumple knows who he is, why bother staying in Seattle instead of going to Storybrooke to be with his family and be where he has magic powers.

They could easily come up with a reason.  He's here to protect his daughter Alice, or he has to get Cinderella and Henry's love essence to save Gideon from Black Fairy-itis.

I didn't realize it was a second Hook.  I thought it was some lady wearing a leather jacket from the back.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Camera One

[Souris]

CS fans are getting their hopes up A LOT for a CS baby and CS getting to live their happily-ever-after in peace because of this apparent second Hook. If it doesn't play out that way or A&E snatch it away at the last minute somehow, there's going to be a lot of upset people.

I don't trust A&E one single second, but I hope it plays out how people are counting on it playing out. I have concerns about what Lady Tremaine is doing in the forest, since the pics show Emma in the forest, too. Seems like she'd be interested in a TL baby for some nefarious purpose. (Of course, that would require A&E to state that CS is TL, which they always shy away from totally committing to.)

Edited October 9, 2017 by Souris

[Shanna Marie]

20 minutes ago, Camera One said:

I didn't realize it was a second Hook.  I thought it was some lady wearing a leather jacket from the back.

Yeah, not a very convincing body double. He seems to be shorter and stockier than Colin.

14 minutes ago, Souris said:

CS fans are getting their hopes up A LOT for a CS baby and CS getting to live their happily-ever-after in peace because of this apparent second Hook.

I don't really have hopes up for a baby. I just think that it's the easiest and most obvious (and they do love the most obvious) way to explain why Emma wouldn't stick around with Hook to help Henry, or send Hook back home to run the sheriff's department while she helps Henry. And Hook having a pregnant wife back home without knowing it might add some sorely needed emotional stakes to the present-day story. If the curse isn't broken, he might not get to see his baby. I don't know about the Hook double living happily with Emma while another Hook is stuck in Seattle. That seems a cheat to me and completely erases all the emotional stakes. If everything's okay with Hook back home, then it doesn't really matter if Rogers never remembers who he is. Maybe they're hoping that Henry and Cinderella are enough to give it emotional stakes, but we just met them and don't have a lot invested in them being together. We spent five seasons watching Hook and Emma fighting to be together, so it matters if they're apart.

[Camera One]

5 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I don't know about the Hook double living happily with Emma while another Hook is stuck in Seattle. That seems a cheat to me and completely erases all the emotional stakes. If everything's okay with Hook back home, then it doesn't really matter if Rogers never remembers who he is. 

Maybe Hook unknowingly drank the Jekyll Juice, and it's the "Bad" Hook who is going to help Henry because he wants to atone for his past wrongs,.  He would be particularly vulnerable to the moral quandaries that Weaver puts him in, and he has all of Hook's memories with Henry and Emma, so he would still be sad he couldn't be with her.  Best of both worlds?  The only problem is new viewers might be so confused they never tune in again.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Camera One

[Rumsy4]

51 minutes ago, Camera One said:

They could easily come up with a reason.  He's here to protect his daughter Alice, or he has to get Cinderella and Henry's love essence to save Gideon from Black Fairy-itis.

I didn't realize it was a second Hook.  I thought it was some lady wearing a leather jacket from the back.

Lol. Someone on tumblr made the same comment. I myself had a hard time figuring who that was supposed to be until I saw the hook.

26 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I don't really have hopes up for a baby. I just think that it's the easiest and most obvious (and they do love the most obvious) way to explain why Emma wouldn't stick around with Hook to help Henry, or send Hook back home to run the sheriff's department while she helps Henry. And Hook having a pregnant wife back home without knowing it might add some sorely needed emotional stakes to the present-day story. If the curse isn't broken, he might not get to see his baby. I don't know about the Hook double living happily with Emma while another Hook is stuck in Seattle. That seems a cheat to me and completely erases all the emotional stakes. If everything's okay with Hook back home, then it doesn't really matter if Rogers never remembers who he is.

If it's a time-traveling future Hook, then he's the same as the one in Seattle. I know it lowers the stakes considerably, but that's pretty much A&E's last play to retain CS viewers. 

[Camera One]

I came up with another theory.  It's not Killian we see in Hyperion Heights.  It's Killian Jr.  He's Killian and Emma's son from the future, here to help his parents since he knew they were really worried about Henry.  He has identity issues since he doesn't know if he's a hero or a villain.  This would allow Colin to have a love interest.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Camera One

[orza]

20 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

I kind of got the impression that all the cops other than Rogers were on the shady side, and thus the digs about him being an Eagle Scout. They know Weaver's dirty, but probably write it off because he gets results and esteem him as a detective because he gets results. Rogers is left out of it all because they know he wouldn't go along with it, so all he knows about it is that Weaver gets good results. I guess a lot of how it will work out depends on whether they actually know something about Serpico or have just heard the name and know it has something to do with busting dirty cops.

Of course Adam and Eddy know all about Serpico. They are film buffs who studied film at college and work in the industry. Assuming Eddy was not just making a joke, then in that scenario Rumple would be Serpico and Hook would be David Durk, or Bob Blair as he was called in the movie. Durk was the clean-cut family man and straight shooter. Frank Serpico was not a very nice person. He was a gritty loner and sometimes a dick to others, which fits Rumple more that "eagle scout" Rogers. It could be that Rumple is working undercover to expose corruption in the precinct. Adam and Eddy don't actually say that Rumple is corrupt. The reporter draws that conclusion, which may or may not be correct, and some fans are running with it. Whether Rumple is a corrupt cop or something else remains to be seen. A&E do say that "there are a lot more secrets to be revealed" in that interview In another interview A&E talk about peeling back layers to expose something new about Rumple.

Season 6 had a lot of setup for the reboot. A big plot point in episode 19, The Black Fairy, was that Rumple was born a savior before his mother cut him from his fate. Being born a savior meant a lot to Rumple and was a big part of why in the end he chose his family over more power. Rumple again talked about being born a savior in the finale. It Then there is also Merlin's prophesy that one day there would be a Dark One who would be able to control his power and use it for good. Robert Carlyle talked about "drastic" changes for season 7 at one of the cons he appeared at last spring. The returning actors have all talked about how they are creating new characters. It seems unlikely that RC would be saying such things if he was still playing the same old Rumple but just wearing his own clothes.

1 hour ago, Shanna Marie said:

Back to the "Serpico" discussion, I kind of hope the writers don't dig deeper into that story than the superficial "good cop exposes bad cop" plot since Serpico got shot in the face. No, not the face!

I know. It'll be hard for Hook to come out ahead if Weaver has his memories and knows who he is. He won't be able to resist tormenting his old enemy while he's unaware of his situation (never mind the ending last season that had Rumple as part of the family, and that Hook is Rumple's grandson's stepfather, and is Belle's close friend). But then, as I mentioned in the episode thread, if Rumple knows who he is, why bother staying in Seattle instead of going to Storybrooke to be with his family and be where he has magic powers.

They already laid it out why Rumple, Regina and Hook at in Seattle - to help Henry. This has been mentioned in quite a few interviews. It was also made clear that they will not be villains in the new show.

[Rumsy4]

53 minutes ago, Camera One said:

I came up with another theory.  It's not Killian we see in Hyperion Heights.  It's Killian Jr.  He's Killian and Emma's son from the future, here to help his parents since he knew they were really worried about Henry.  He has identity issues since he doesn't know if he's a hero or a villain.  This would allow Colin to have a love interest.

No.

[Camera One]

I guess I won't share my theory about Emma and Killian asking Cinderella to carry their baby?  You try to think like A&E and your mind does go to disturbing places.

[Souris]

5 minutes ago, Camera One said:

I guess I won't share my theory about Emma and Killian asking Cinderella to carry their baby?  You try to think like A&E and your mind does go to disturbing places.

Corner. Now.

[ParadoxLost]

1 hour ago, Camera One said:

I came up with another theory.  It's not Killian we see in Hyperion Heights.  It's Killian Jr.  He's Killian and Emma's son from the future, here to help his parents since he knew they were really worried about Henry.  He has identity issues since he doesn't know if he's a hero or a villain.  This would allow Colin to have a love interest.

I briefly considered that all worlds have different versions of the same fairy tale but since Hook is perfect as he is, all realms have our Hook as the Hook (no variation permitted).

[rogvortex58]

4 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

So Emma is maybe preggo and there are 2 Hooks...

Which one is the father?

[Shanna Marie]

3 hours ago, Camera One said:

Maybe Hook unknowingly drank the Jekyll Juice, and it's the "Bad" Hook who is going to help Henry because he wants to atone for his past wrongs,.  He would be particularly vulnerable to the moral quandaries that Weaver puts him in, and he has all of Hook's memories with Henry and Emma, so he would still be sad he couldn't be with her. 

But would the "bad" Hook want to atone? More like the "bad" Hook would punch out the "good" one and take his place to stay with Emma, sending the "good" one on to do the dirty work. Then again, the Evil Queen/Regina split ended up not being that big a difference, so maybe even the pure evil side of Hook would still want to atone.

At any rate, they seem surprised to see the second Hook, so it doesn't sound like it's something that just happened. Future Hook might explain it, if he shows up with a warning. And, with these guys, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the one who lets Emma know she's currently pregnant, before she even knows (since they just love having men or supernatural entities tell women they're pregnant). Yeah, it used to be impossible to travel in time, but like the curse, initially it was really difficult, and eventually it became something relatively easy to do that you could just throw together. There's the one photo of what looks like a really emotional hug between Henry and Hook -- is that present Hook being reunited with Henry, or future Hook seeing Henry again after something apparently went so wrong he had to go back in time to warn them?

The TV listings have a description of the episode:

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Henry and his Storybrooke family set off on a mission to find Cinderella; an unexpected foe threatens the group's success; Jacinda searches for a way to see Lucy; Victoria Belfrey tries to push Henry out of the neighborhood.

I'm calling that the other Hook is the "unexpected foe." The warning from the future is that Henry has to stay away from Cinderella.

[Souris]

Are you effing kidding me? Lady Tremaine's last name is BELFREY? (I'm sure that's fairly common knowledge but I've been trying not to pay attention to S7 details.)

::stares into the camera like Jim from The Office::

[KAOS Agent]

The press release also says, "Victoria Belfrey enlists the help of Gold and Weaver to push Henry out of the neighborhood." Now there are two Rumpels in Hyperion Heights. I don't put too much faith in the synopsis. When did Henry move to the neighborhood? How would pushing him out do anything? Seattle's a big city, not a tiny town under the thumb of a curse powered mayor. Are they going to ban him from the block that is Hyperion Heights? Do the writers think this is an actual thing that could happen?

[Camera One]

Weaver the dirty cop will throw a bag of drugs in Henry's car and then threaten to frame him if he sets foot in the 'hood again.

Henry decides to meet Jacinda for coffee at Fisherman's Wharf instead.  

Henry drags his entire family to another realm to find Cinders?  

Jacinda searches for a way to see Lucy?  So does Victoria have the kid locked up now?  Since I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

Aside from Emma, the plotline doesn't exactly sound scintillating.

[KingOfHearts]

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The warning from the future is that Henry has to stay away from Cinderella.

I'd love it if it turned out the Henriella romance wasn't meant to be, and it wasn't some epic saga. It's just Henry pursuing a woman he thinks he can redeem, in a vein effort to find his place in the world. Then he gets her pregnant and his involvement ultimately results in the Hyperion Heights curse. (Which he might have cast in order to "reset" his mistakes.) 

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Victoria Belfrey tries to push Henry out of the neighborhood.

So it's a repeat of 1x02, where Regina tried to push Emma out of Storybrooke?

Edited October 10, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

2 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I'd love it if it turned out the Henriella romance wasn't meant to be, and it wasn't some epic saga. It's just Henry pursuing a woman he thinks he can redeem, in a vein effort to find his place in the world. Then he gets her pregnant and his involvement ultimately results in the Hyperion Heights curse. (Which he might have cast in order to "reset" his mistakes.) 

Unfortunately, I think Eddy said they were going to show the "greatest hits" of their "epic love story" this season.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Camera One

[KAOS Agent]

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Jacinda searches for a way to see Lucy?  So does Victoria have the kid locked up now?  Since I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

The whole thing is illegal since Jacinda had custody, which Victoria a step-grandmother somehow now has stripped all rights from her because she said so - even removing a mother's right to visitation. Whatever, show. Even my drug addicted freak show of a cousin was allowed visitation with his kid. This whole scenario doesn't fly at all. Again with the problems of inserting this in a real city instead of a place like Storybrooke and cribbing the original Once story instead of creating something new and fresh. It just doesn't work.

Edited October 10, 2017 by KAOS Agent

[rogvortex58]

Bet they won’t even bother explaining who has legal custody.

[Camera One]

The premise would be interesting if Victoria had to be extra smart to avoid breaking real-world laws and rules.  But in this version of the "real world", she can do whatever the hell she wants.  So there's nothing real about it.  It might as well be Storybrooke.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Camera One

[maryle]

As a cs fans I am totally fine with a alien hook with that preserve cs happy ending ! I spend  5 years seeing this couple becoming a iconic bad ass couple and see them battle foe and death! They both deserve their happy ending with their child!

In fact since there were some hoping Emma was dying I am please to see it is not the case and they will even have cs child! Lol!

I wonder if we will see the cs adult someday before the show! 

[RulerofallIsurvey]

13 hours ago, Camera One said:

I came up with another theory.  It's not Killian we see in Hyperion Heights.  It's Killian Jr.  He's Killian and Emma's son from the future, here to help his parents since he knew they were really worried about Henry.  He has identity issues since he doesn't know if he's a hero or a villain.  This would allow Colin to have a love interest.

I actually like this theory!  If it was Killian Jr. I wouldn't mind a love interest - since it's not Hook.  

12 hours ago, Camera One said:

 You try to think like A&E and your mind does go to disturbing places.

::shudder::  You're a brave soul for even trying!

[Shanna Marie]

10 hours ago, Camera One said:

Henry drags his entire family to another realm to find Cinders?  

Yeah, that part puzzles me. I'd assumed that he dragged his family to another realm to help with whatever crisis leads to the curse, and Emma goes home just before the curse hits, but that's how Regina, Rumple, and Hook get caught up in the curse. But this sounds like he brings them over to help him find Cinderella, picking up soon after the flashbacks in the previous episode. Way to go, Henry, abandoning your family because you have to live out your own story, then dragging them to another realm when you need them to help you find a girl you met once. But if this is when he drags over Regina, Rumple, and Hook, then how have Regina and Hook not aged 8-10 years or so while Lucy grows up (on the other hand, how has Henry not aged 8-10 years?)? Then again, we only have pictures of Emma and Hook(s) in the other realm in this episode, so maybe he drags over Emma and Hook to help find Cinders, then they go home, and then he brings over Rumple, Regina, and Hook to deal with the crisis, and that's when they get caught in the curse.

[Socks]

23 hours ago, rogvortex58 said:

Which one is the father?

The hook. 

[rogvortex58]

4 hours ago, Socks said:

The hook. 

That narrows it down.

[Camera One]

23 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

so maybe he drags over Emma and Hook to help find Cinders, then they go home, and then he brings over Rumple, Regina, and Hook to deal with the crisis, and that's when they get caught in the curse.

I think this is what's going to happen.  Rumple is featured in the fourth episode, so maybe the fourth episode (perhaps also the third episode) is when Regina, Rumple and Hook goes again to the new realm, setting up when they get caught up in the Curse.  

The third episode is called "The Garden of Forking Paths", so maybe it follows the alternate Hook, so somehow one "fork" is happy ending with Emma and the other "fork" is helping Henry.

[maryle]

So I didnt looked stbthe sp but saw some gifs and I really wonder with the clone, wish or futur hook  theory is no at play here! He just seem weird snd Henry saying he looked different! Anyway it does sound interesting so I am actually exciting for the episode and find out what they do with Emma, cs and hook finally! And notwild speculation 

[Camera One]

It was nice seeing Emma in the Sneak Peek, and Weird Hook was amusing, but the exchange was a bit off.  It was weird when Henry said, "Is everything really alright at home?  What's going on with Emma?  Is she okay?"  Why does he sometimes call her Emma, but other times call her Mom?   If he's so worried, then why doesn't he just go back to Storybrooke?  

Speaking of which, Emma and Henry's reunion doesn't seem like that big a deal.  It doesn't seem like he has been away for that long.

Hook also says "Sorry about the lass" and Henry goes, "Thanks... it's going to take awhile".  Please don't tell me this immediately follows last episode.  It's going to take a while to get over someone he talked to for less than 20 min in total?

Edited October 13, 2017 by Camera One

[Rumsy4]

I don't know what Colin was going for in that Sneak Peek, but Hook looked extremely shifty, and not in a good way. He was acting like someone who had no idea who Emma really was. Maybe this is imposter!Hook and not present or future Hook. We'll know in a day...

3 minutes ago, Camera One said:

It's going to take a while to get over someone he talked to for less than 20 min in total?

Considering True Love after a bicycle ride for Zelena and Hades...

I found it really irritating that Henry kept saying Emma instead of mom. Hook would know he wasn't asking him about Regina.

Edited October 13, 2017 by Rumsy4

[Camera One]

3 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I don't know what Colin was going for in that Sneak Peek, but Hook looked extremely shifty, and not in a good way. He was acting like someone who had no idea who Emma really was. Maybe this is imposter!Hook and not present or future Hook.

Please don't tell me it's Lady Tremaine or Alice in disguise or something.  It has to be more than Hook being uncomfortable talking about the pregnancy with Henry.  He was hemming and hawing and seemed surprised when Emma walked up.

[Souris]

I don't think that was "our" Hook. We know from the promo and stills there are two Hooks and they fight at some point. Then at some other point the two Hooks, Emma and Henry are hanging out talking. So I don't think Sneak Peek Hook turns out to be an enemy, per se. Maybe he's from another dimension/realm where Emma died or they never got together. Or he was somehow wished into being and has Hook memories but had no context for exactly when/where he was.

[PixiePaws1]

37 minutes ago, Souris said:

I don't think that was "our" Hook. We know from the promo and stills there are two Hooks and they fight at some point. Then at some other point the two Hooks, Emma and Henry are hanging out talking. So I don't think Sneak Peek Hook turns out to be an enemy, per se. Maybe he's from another dimension/realm where Emma died or they never got together. Or he was somehow wished into being and has Hook memories but had no context for exactly when/where he was.

I think Henry's message in the bottle has gone to a future or past version of Hook by accident.

[Souris]

8 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

I think Henry's message in the bottle has gone to a future or past version of Hook by accident.

Possibly. Or a Hook from a different realm. Maybe it didn't consider "our" Hook a pirate anymore.

Though how would "our" Hook and Emma end up there with him, too, then?

[PixiePaws1]

If past/future Hook somehow manages to end up in 'our' realm/time point..then he would exist same time as 'our' Hook..i think it all depends on the rules/powers of the bottle...which is mermaid magic...maybe the Hook that receives it manages to follow it back the way it came to him  not realising where he would end up...?

I am leaning towards a Hook from the future because he looks to be peering at Emma's stomach to work out if she's pregnant/post pregnant so he can get some idea of 'when' he is. If Henry sent the message in a bottle from a realm where time moves differently then the bottle may have gone to a future Hook.

Edited October 13, 2017 by PixiePaws1

[Camera One]

This next episode will very likely be the best episode of Season 7... like most of you, I just can't wait to see what brings Henry back to Hyperion Heights once more!

Edited October 13, 2017 by Camera One

[RadioGirl27]

With the sneak peeks and the promo pics, we have probably seen all of Emma's scenes.

The second sneak peek is particularly bad. I can't get over the fact that Henry looks ay least ten years older but Hook and Emma are exactly the same. 

And I don't get why everyone is so excited about the baby. We are never going to see that baby, or Emma being pregnant or Hook holding him/her. Hell, I doubt we would even know if it's a boy or a girl. It's just A&E mocking the CS shippers one more time.

[Rumsy4]

I like the theory that the message Henry sent went to another version of Hook. Maybe Henry sent messages to both Emma and Hook, and the one to Hook went astray. As for Hook, if he's from the future, he ought to know Emma's condition at this time. So, why is he looking like a deer caught in the headlights? If he's from an alternate realm, what's his agenda?

4 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

And I don't get why everyone is so excited about the baby.

Many were speculating that Emma might be killed off. Compared to that, this seems like Christmas. To me, it's okay if we never find out anything more about Emma's pregnancy, as long as the CS happy ending is preserved. Which I'm finally starting to have some hope for. We'll know soon enough if that was a false hope. Abc/A&E literally gave away the whole plot in the promos and sneak peeks hoping to induce CS fans to watch, seems like. 

[Kktjones]

5 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

With the sneak peeks and the promo pics, we have probably seen all of Emma's scenes.

Yep, pretty sure that's the case. We only know of JMo filming in the forest and then on the Jolly Roger. There was some spec that she could have done a little shooting in the studio on the first day, but it wouldn't be much. It's very clear that this is just what A&E were calling it - a curtain call. One last chance to parade Emma out for ratings. Have her hug Henry and kiss Hook and then go off for her happily ever after never to be seen or heard from again.

I've seen all the different theories about Hook, but I can't think of any that would explain how he's acting in that sneak peek. It appears he doesn't know Emma at all which wouldn't be the case if he was "future Hook." In interviews A&E have shot down the idea that the returning characters are their characters' counterparts from other realms, so that's not the answer. Oh well, guess we'll find out tonight. I was planning to watch live, but got a better offer, so will be watching tomorrow. Enjoy!

[Camera One]

6 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

With the sneak peeks and the promo pics, we have probably seen all of Emma's scenes.

41 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

Yep, pretty sure that's the case. We only know of JMo filming in the forest and then on the Jolly Roger. There was some spec that she could have done a little shooting in the studio on the first day, but it wouldn't be much. It's very clear that this is just what A&E were calling it - a curtain call. One last chance to parade Emma out for ratings. Have her hug Henry and kiss Hook and then go off for her happily ever after never to be seen or heard from again.

That would be really disappointing.  How can they call this an emotional curtain call when those scenes were purely functional and hardly emotional.  I also couldn't care less that she's pregnant and going to have a baby off-screen.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised.  

Well, at least we still get our weekly fix of Victoria, Lucy and Jacinda?  

[KingOfHearts]

I'm surprised Emma didn't ask, "Hey, where's Violet?"

Edited October 13, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[scenicbyway]

I think what I don't like about the sneaks is that Jen seems to have forgotten how to play Emma.    I just see her acting (maybe its the hair but her facial expressions seem off too) Emma used to always have a flicker of hope or determination.  There's just a sense of resignation that I see.

[Kktjones]

12 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

I think what I don't like about the sneaks is that Jen seems to have forgotten how to play Emma.  

To be honest, I found both sneaks to be extremely awkward for everyone. In the one on the Jolly, the dialog is really strange (Henry: "Always keep your eye on the blade." Hook: "As I said, always keep your eye on the blade.") Then Emma deducing that Henry is leaving home b/c of his hissy fit. Not to mention the odd editing where Hook is holding his sword on Henry, but when they pan to another angle he's holding out his hand and his sword is sheathed. Then in the second one, what's with Henry calling her "Emma"? And Hook acting so odd - it was like they needed to hit the audience over the head with the fact that this isn't our Hook. Anyway, it doesn't bode well for the episode, especially since I think there's just one more Emma scene (daytime in the forest). And don't even get me started on her extensions!

[KingOfHearts]

In my opinion, Jen checked out in S6. It's obvious she's only here to fulfill her contract.

[Shanna Marie]

I would say that Hook in this clip is an imposter doing a glamour sort of thing to impersonate Hook and fool Henry, with Emma ruining it by showing up, except it would be the one time on this show when taking on someone's form didn't automatically give the imposter all that person's knowledge and memories. If someone had actually shape changed, then it wouldn't be so obvious and awkward. See Zelena's impersonation of Ariel and Marian, where she could perfectly impersonate people she hadn't actually met, right down to knowing minor details about events she wasn't present for.

[KingOfHearts]

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I would say that Hook in this clip is an imposter doing a glamour sort of thing to impersonate Hook and fool Henry

Alice is my guess, since she is trying to prevent Henry from getting involved in Murderella's story. The Clone!Hook thing is just a red herring to get people confused about Emma and Hook's happy ending.

Edited October 13, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Shanna Marie]

5 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Alice is my guess, since she is trying to prevent Henry from getting involved in Murderella's story.

That's a possibility. Isn't there a clip in the preview of Lady Tremaine holding Henry prisoner? Or maybe it's just juxtaposition of clips to make us think it's Lady Tremaine holding him prisoner when they're not in the same shot. Anyway, there's another possibility.

At any rate, if it's a clone of Hook, it didn't get a download of his memories, and it can't be a future Hook and him be that clueless. Maybe another universe's Hook, but why would he care or bother impersonating our Hook, and would he be wearing the same clothes?

So, yeah, maybe Alice intercepts the message in a bottle and tries to sidetrack Henry by posing as Hook, and it's the one time when the glamour doesn't actually make the imposter become the person they're pretending to be, only changes the appearance.

[Kktjones]

I agree that it feels like this is someone impersonating Hook, but how would that account for the spoiler photos that show Emma, Henry and the two Hooks all hanging out together. They don't seem to feel threatened by the "other" Hook. I'm not sure which option I'm pulling for - none of them seem great at this point. They are working overtime to ensure Emma & Hook get their happy ending while still keeping Colin on the show. I'm just not sure that they're doing any of the characters justice in the long run. And count me among those that doesn't care about the CS baby given that we will never get to see it and it will play no role in the show ongoing.

[KingOfHearts]

I just saw that Alice is not mentioned in the press release for this episode. I guess that rules her out.

Edited October 13, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Shanna Marie]

3 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

And count me among those that doesn't care about the CS baby given that we will never get to see it and it will play no role in the show ongoing.

I think the only reason for the baby is to give a reason why Emma doesn't join the others in coming to help Henry and therefore doesn't get caught up in the curse. It's hard to imagine any other circumstance that would explain Emma not rushing to her son's aid along with her husband.

5 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

I agree that it feels like this is someone impersonating Hook, but how would that account for the spoiler photos that show Emma, Henry and the two Hooks all hanging out together. They don't seem to feel threatened by the "other" Hook.

I thought there was kind of a negative vibe in the photos, sort of a "who the hell are you?" response from Emma and the other Hook. That was why I thought that there wasn't any deliberate split of Hook in order for him to be in two places at once, since they looked surprised to see him. I'd initially thought that the second Hook might have shown up with some kind of warning, and the Hook with Henry and Emma was the "real" one, but based on this clip, it looks like the imposter may be hanging out with Henry and Emma, and then the real one shows up, alarming all of them -- Emma and Henry with that "wait, if you're you, then who's he?" reaction, and fake Hook looking like he's about to slink away because he's busted.