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Monica: Anything on Once Upon a Time? Maybe Regina related?

Regina's hopes of happily-ever-after are 100 percent shattered, thanks to Emma's stupid move bringing Maid Marion back to Robin Hood. How Regina copes is NOT pretty. And we'll see that she and Elsa have quite a bit in common...

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So redeemed, y'all!

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I'm somewhat heartened by the mention in the TV Guide article that there will be some fish-out-of-water stuff with Elsa. Maybe then they'll remember the other character(s) who don't have cursed memories.

 

I still wish we'd seen Hook's briefing about Storybrooke to Marian. Talk about the blind leading the blind! Well, he has picked up quite a bit and I guess he has that outsider's perspective enough to know what would be strange to someone without cursed memories, but it would be really interesting to learn how the "outsider" characters interpret a lot of the modern stuff in Storybrooke -- like Hook thinking Jello has medicinal properties because hospitals serve so much of it.

 

The filming bit with Belle and Anna must have been from Anna visiting the Enchanted Forest, which would suggest the Frozen stuff is close to contemporary (at the same time as the Snow story vs. the Rumple, Bae and Killian era).

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That spoiler is not in the page anymore. I guess someone told her that saving a life is not stupid.

 

Interesting that it was pulled. I'd imagine it was more the bit about Regina than Kristin calling Emma stupid. TPTB care way more about Regina than Emma, and it sounds from other spoilers that it was actually wrong, anyway.

 

Let's just say we had Kristin permanently in our Penalty Box at vartanho.com for her stupid comments on Alias spoilers.

 

Odd:

 

#ouat setting up for a scene involving a kite in a tree. #onceuponatime on Burnaby Mountain Park.

 

Oh, heavens, they're bringing in Ben Franklin!

 

also, I think I saw Charming.

 

@motormouthcrazy So far, three little blond girls, and a really big guy. doing a scene where big guy captures girls, trying to get a kite.

 

Snow Queen and her sisters?

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Let's just say we had Kristin permanently in our Penalty Box at vartanho.com for her stupid comments on Alias spoilers.

She was persona non grata on several Office message boards I was on, including the one at TWOP. I'm a bit surprised that the spoiler was pulled but doubt it had much to do with anyone at ABC making calls. In fact, it could've been some intern wrote that and Kristen pulled it. Whoever it was isn't too bright though -- the Once picture posted in the column is still there. So there's a photo but no spoiler? Ooooook.

 

Speaking of which, though, I feel this is a good point to make a reminder about sources for spoilers as we get closer to the premiere. There are legitimate sites out there with legitimate scoops -- TV Guide, Hitfix, TVLine, Entertainment Weekly, etc. So if you see something "earth-shattering" or whatever, take a minute to evaluate who it comes from. Not all "scoop sites" are the same. ;)

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#ouat setting up for a scene involving a kite in a tree. #onceuponatime on Burnaby Mountain Park.

 

Now I'm hoping that Calvin and Hobbes are making an appearance (Calvin had a lot of trouble with a kite eating tree). Calvin's imagination would be priceless and Hobbes could threaten to eat the next Big Bad.

 

@motormouthcrazy So far, three little blond girls, and a really big guy. doing a scene where big guy captures girls, trying to get a kite.

 

That sounds pretty creepy. That's exactly the kind of stuff Fairy Tales warn us about. Perhaps they will get rescued by somebody we know...like Charms.

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@motormouthcrazy So far, three little blond girls, and a really big guy. doing a scene where big guy captures girls, trying to get a kite.

 

Snow Queen and her sisters?

Yeah, probably the three sisters from episode 7, so probably they are already done with episode 6.

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The girls are wearing "medieval" clothes, according to the Tweeter. He also said it was ep 6, but I don't know if he's assuming or saw something on-set to indicate that.

Makes no sense. I would bet it's 7. Maybe first day, but definitely 7.

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I'm pretty sure Disney is controlling it very closely. I'm worried about everything else.

I mean, this makes it sound like Frozen was their first priority and the regular characters will be slotted in where convenient.  With Elsa being in present-day and flashbacks, this better not be Zelena 2.0.

 

I think Elsa will be a lot more integrated to the show. She's not a villain so they can all interact with her while it'd be hard for Zelena to sit around and have a chat with the others once they knew she was Wicked.

 

As for Disney keeping control, I think it does affect the Once characters. I for one believe that A&E's original plan was to use Elsa as a prop for Woegina and compare them as the 2 peas in the pod. They still might, cause their boner for Woegina is just that hard but it's been downplayed. All their interviews back in May after the finale indicated that. The thing they kept pointing out all the time was how Elsa was seen as a villain but was really misunderstood. I don't think Disney saw Elsa like that or that that was her major feature. And I'm sure the bigwigs (whom most probably don't belong to the St. Woegina is the biggest victim ever cult ) can just wiki Woegina and see that they don't want their Elsa to be compared to a raping, child-killing mass murderer. We never heard about the Emma friend thing until Comic-con.

 

Of course I also wouldn't be surprised if A&E snuck in a "Woegina is just so misunderstood like the awesome Elsa you guys" and it's a bait and switch.

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TV Guide:

 

What will Emma and Hook's dating life be like on Once Upon a Time? — Val
The good news: The producers are going to let them go out somewhere other than Granny's Diner. The bad news: "It's going to be tricky for the two of them," executive producer Adam Horowitz says. "Just because we saw their feelings reach a new level at the end of last season doesn't mean that that's the end of the story." And Emma may be the problem. "Emma is obviously a person who has a tough time trusting people and letting her guard down," executive producer Edward Kitsis says. "Sometimes you may feel something for somebody but your feelings hold you back."

 

I'm sorry, is that a spoiler for 4A or 3B?

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I'm sorry, is that a spoiler for 4A or 3B?

 

 

I know, right? They literally have no interest in writing for Emma. So they keep rehashing the same old thing. You know what's going to happen? Emma will keep pushing Hook away until even I get tired of shipping CS, and in the season 4 finale, she will finally tell him that she maybe likes him. After all, Emma's Lost Girl arc was only covered in the Season 3 finale. 

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I think Elsa will be a lot more integrated to the show. She's not a villain so they can all interact with her while it'd be hard for Zelena to sit around and have a chat with the others once they knew she was Wicked.

 

As for Disney keeping control, I think it does affect the Once characters. I for one believe that A&E's original plan was to use Elsa as a prop for Woegina and compare them as the 2 peas in the pod. They still might, cause their boner for Woegina is just that hard but it's been downplayed. All their interviews back in May after the finale indicated that. The thing they kept pointing out all the time was how Elsa was seen as a villain but was really misunderstood. I don't think Disney saw Elsa like that or that that was her major feature. And I'm sure the bigwigs (whom most probably don't belong to the St. Woegina is the biggest victim ever cult ) can just wiki Woegina and see that they don't want their Elsa to be compared to a raping, child-killing mass murderer. We never heard about the Emma friend thing until Comic-con.

You know, if that's true, that must've been one awkward conversation.

 

Frozen People:  You're going to have to be careful.  We don't want to damage our brand.

A & E:  We know.  We have the perfect plan.  We, too, have a misunderstood "villain".

FP:  Elsa's not a villain.

AE:  We know!  Regina's really misunderstood, too, and made some regrettable choices because she was upset

FP:  What kind of regrettable choices?  (Quick Bing search)

AE:  Some minor mistakes and misunderstandings.  We're going to pair them.

FP:  I don't think so.

AE:  But, they're so alike, both being so misunderstood.

FP:  Elsa's not a villain.

AE:  We know, that's why it's perfect.

FP:  Regina's raped someone.

AE:  Unfortunate choices, made out of a desperate need to be happy.

FP:  She killed hundreds or thousands of people.

AE:  Only some villagers.  They weren't being helpful.

FP:  We repeat, Elsa's not a villain .

AE:  Neither is Regina!  That's what makes it perfect! . . . . 

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AE:  Unfortunate choices, made out of a desperate need to be happy.

FP:  She killed hundreds or thousands of people.

AE:  Only some villagers.  They weren't being helpful.

FP:  We repeat, Elsa's not a villain .

AE:  Neither is Regina!  That's what makes it perfect! . .

 

Thanks for the laugh !

My worst fear for this season it is that at the end they repeat 3b when Emma lost all her power just so Regina can save the days .

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Mari, you know the scariest thing is that convo you pictured has a high probability of it being based on what actually happened.

 

I still think it's weird that they put Arendelle in the same realm as the Enchanted Forest. I think unhooking it might've been better so that the timeline would not be linked to the Forest. That way Elsa/Anna and co. with the new changed timeline wouldn't have missed some 28 years of Arendelle. As in Elsa might've been locked up for 28 years in the forest but it was a week's time in Arendelle or something. How are they going to explain the rest of the Arendelle world? They were under Cora's dome too?

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Photos from last Friday's filming. Tweets about it. 

 

Apparently Belle was talking to Hook and Emma with Elsa standing next to her, though Colin and Jen couldn't be seen through the window. We already knew those actors were filming but didn't necessarily know they were all filming together.

 

This is the same night as the jail pics Jen tweeted; that scene seems to have been filmed after this, as Georgina and Emilie left before Colin and Jen.

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Now I'm hoping that Calvin and Hobbes are making an appearance (Calvin had a lot of trouble with a kite eating tree). Calvin's imagination would be priceless and Hobbes could threaten to eat the next Big Bad.

 

Actually Calvin might be re-imagined as the kid Billy Mumy played in the Twilight Zone, the one that could make anything happen with his mind and wisked people into the corn field.  And his imaginary Tiger could actually eat people.  Hey it's a thought.

 

I agree that the timeline which was already dicey will be even more complex when you add Frozen.  Won't make much sense.   

 

Does anybody think that Emma and Henry will have seen Frozen while they were in NY?  I would love one of them to tell Elsa something like "Your cartoon made a gezillion  dollars and you have a cool song."  Because somebody should tell her.  It would be funny if Snow felt a little jeaous and is soothed by Emma saying "But your cartoon is a CLASSIC mom." 

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Which is a total lie since they had Emma meet Neal in 2001 (yes that date was onscreen). If Henry is 12, then Frozen has already come out in the Once timeline. A & E just stated in that interview that it's 2013 for them but math says otherwise.

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I'm sorry, is that a spoiler for 4A or 3B?

God, yes! There are so many things they can do with those two and they decide to redo 3B. I don't know why I even care.

They probably think that the fans would lose interest if they put them together but the truth is that they need to give them a reason to continue shipping them. And doing the same thing again and again is tiresome not romantic.

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It was removed because of the comment about Robin and Regina being 100% done. Which is not true at all.

Do you have a source that that was the reason for removing this "spoiler" about Regina on E!Online? Or is that speculation?

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The girl with Jared is dressed weird for Storybrooke. And wasn't his crush supposed to be a "rebel" or something? Really doesn't look like it...

Looks more like the average, blonde girl fair tale princess., The photos don't tell if the girl and Jared were shooting together. Seeing the costumes of the girl and the man with her very much doubt that.

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So in the TV Guide video with Georgina, she says Elsa has never met anyone who knows magic. What's up with that? If that's so, how did she get in the urn? It makes me think that she perhaps never met Rumple or something else is going on with that. Could Hans be enacting revenge and tricks her? Is that the Hans episode -- finding out how she got in the urn?

I do like that overall idea because it would mean Emma could actually help her and they could help get a grip on their magic powers together? Seriously then, why can't Elsa stick around after this half season?

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So in the TV Guide video with Georgina, she says Elsa has never met anyone who knows magic. What's up with that? If that's so, how did she get in the urn? It makes me think that she perhaps never met Rumple or something else is going on with that. Could Hans be enacting revenge and tricks her? Is that the Hans episode -- finding out how she got in the urn?

From that and the TVGuide interview, I'd say Arendelle is so distant from the Enchanted Forest that they don't interact with the kingdoms or people there whatsoever. In Arendelle, people don't have magic, so it's an alien concept. According to the interview, Anna goes to the Enchanted Forest and meets Rumple. I'd say from there is where the urning story begins.

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So in the TV Guide video with Georgina, she says Elsa has never met anyone who knows magic. What's up with that? If that's so, how did she get in the urn? It makes me think that she perhaps never met Rumple or something else is going on with that. 

I dunno -- I think that would still be a fair statement to make even if she met Rumple briefly before he urned her. I assume the actress's point was that she's never had anyone to talk about the magic with, or show her how to use it, or show her that you can have magic and lead an otherwise "normal" life (or as normal as things get as a queen). Even Emma has at least been around other magical people since she found out about her powers, even if they haven't all been the most helpful in teaching and guiding her.

 

I had originally been thinking it would be Elsa mentoring Emma, but it sounds like it will be more equitable in terms of them both going "Hey, you're just like me!" which I think is cool. I'm actually quite excited for the Frozen thing, and I'm glad it is mostly unspoiled so far, because clearly I have no self-control when it comes to spoilers. 

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The more we hear about Emma and Elsa, the more I really wish Elsa could stay past 4A. Emma desperately needs a friend who isn't a) related to her, b) one of her parents' BFFs, or c) her boyfriend, and Emma and Elsa bonding sounds pretty organic and equitable. I know there's no way we can have her full-time, but if that sl goes as well as I hope it will, it would be so great if Elsa could be like Red and swing in for 1-2 episodes a half-season.

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I think Disney wants to explore the "how does Elsa control her powers" on their own. They are releasing a short next year about Elsa's power wreaking havoc again so....

The synopsis said something like Elsa freaks out and out comes the Snow Monster. I hope Emma freaks out at the Snow Monster and her magic too manifests in some ridiculous way and that's how the 2 are like, ooooh another magic freak exists. It could be like Pokemon, and Emma calls up the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man.

This also means that while they are setting up the Anna/Kristoff marriage, I bet we won't get to see it either. That sounds like a plot Disney would want for their own too.

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The Hollywood Reporter has a long interview with A&E that nevertheless reveals very little. They do say that there won't be much Will in the first half of 4a. They confirm that Hook and Rumple will be at odds again. And there's this:

 

But Regina is also going to be launched on a new quest with Henry this year. We’ve seen Henry in Operation Cobra with Emma, but we’re going to see a new one with Regina that we’re very excited about. And this is actually one that will transcend, although the first 11 will be Frozen, this is an arc that will go the whole season.

 

TV Fanatic also has an interview with them that doesn't reveal much new.

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One thing that makes me happy, Rumple and Hook are back to (perhaps) hating each other which is very much fine in my book.

 

The problem is the power imbalance. The writers will have to keep coming up with contrived reasons why Rumple hasn't buried a hatchet in Hook's skull. Rumple has so much magical ability, he can easily kill or erase Hook without giving it a second thought (look how effortlessly he dispatched of Zelena and the video evidence). Just turn Hook into a bug, stomp on him and edit a few memories to convince people the scoundrel left town after despoiling a few farmer's daughters and defrauding the Miner's Day charity candle thing. No fuss. No muss.

 

At least with them having detente it makes sense that Hook is still breathing. Plus, I thought it was a nice gesture towards Neal/Bae and all he meant to the two men. He loved his father and was friends with Hook...the two men should reach detente for his sake if not their own.  I don't mean they have to be best friends, but not trying to kill each other is a good start. It shows they can be redeemed and stop living in the past. It acknowledges that they both did harm and that carrying grudges for 300 years is harmful to oneself.

 

I love when they snark at each other - that can stay, but don't go back to trying to harm each other. We've been there and done that. Time to get a new plot.

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I need something to remind me not to read interviews with Adam and Eddy, because my interest for the shows goes down everytime I do it, and right now it's almost reaching the bottom.

 

I love when they snark at each other - that can stay, but don't go back to trying to harm each other. We've been there and done that. Time to get a new plot.

We can say this to almost every plot in this show. They are doing the same stories over and over again. Instead of letting the characters grow and evolve, we are always at the same point.

About Hook and Rumple, I agree with everything you said kili. I don't want them to be friends, and I love the snark, but a redo of season 2 would be ridiculous. And it damages both characters, it makes both of them look stupid (Rumple because he doesn't kill someone who is infinitely less powerful than him; and Hook for trying to kill someone so powerful).

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We also got scoop on all four power couples. OQ isn't going anywhere.

 

Thank you, we had no idea!

 

I need something to remind me not to read interviews with Adam and Eddy, because my interest for the shows goes down everytime I do it, and right now it's almost reaching the bottom.

 

Funny thing is, they aren't the only showrunners whose interviews have the same effect. I feel the same after reading what EPs of Arrow say about their own show. In that case, I had hopes for a long time that whatever they're saying doesn't matter... until it was reflected on the screen and I had to drop the show. I have no idea how you can perceive your own show in such a warped way.

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Regarding Hook/Rumple, I think it will be interesting to see what happens that sends them back to that place.  I don't think they'll try to kill each other.  As Kili said, Rumple could squash Hook and walk away.  Between the hand making a comeback, the car scenes, Hook sleeping on the docks or wherever that was and that ridiculous broom...who knows.

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Oh my god. Sometimes, I seriously just can't with Adam & Eddy. First, they say this in one interview:
 

Hopefully you're watching for the story. When I watch True Detective, I’m not like, "Wait, is this Thursday?" Hopefully the audience isn’t asking what date it is...

The way to think about it is, divorce yourself from time and space as you know it and think of the world of story occurring in a timeless place.

 
But then they go and say this in another interview:

[Marian] just saw [Robin] two weeks ago and never thought she’d see him again. But of course, for Robin Hood, it’s been many, many years, and they have a son that doesn’t even really know her that well.


Christ, guys. Either the timeline is important or it isn't. You can't cherry pick which plots you pay attention to and which ones get the "don't worry about the timeline, just watch for the drama!" treatment. They clearly thought about the timeline with this Marian ordeal, but then they totally hand wave the fact that 3B probably happened in 2-weeks time and Regina and Robin have only liked each other a couple days.

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Well we're gonna get flashbacks this year from the missing year so who knows what they will show. Perhaps Robin/Regina were falling in love in FTL, wouldn't be the first thing they've retconned.

 

Oh my god. Sometimes, I seriously just can't with Adam & Eddy. First, they say this in one interview:
 

 
But then they go and say this in another interview:


Christ, guys. Either the timeline is important or it isn't. You can't cherry pick which plots you pay attention to and which ones get the "don't worry about the timeline, just watch for the drama!" treatment. They clearly thought about the timeline with this Marian ordeal, but then they totally hand wave the fact that 3B probably happened in 2-weeks time and Regina and Robin have only liked each other a couple days.

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Regarding Hook/Rumple, I think it will be interesting to see what happens that sends them back to that place. I don't think they'll try to kill each other. As Kili said, Rumple could squash Hook and walk away. Between the hand making a comeback, the car scenes, Hook sleeping on the docks or wherever that was and that ridiculous broom...who knows.

Yeah based on the BTS stuff we've seen so far, I'm intrigued enough to see where they go with it. I think it's only going to be repetitious if it doesn't ultimately move the plot or characters forward.

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Hook and Rumple at odds again (rubbing hands together in wicked glee)!

Those BTS pictures have certainly given some indication that the loss of détente has to do with the new hand....but, perhaps the power imbalance is that Hook somehow has control/knowledge of the dagger?

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Regina and Henry... just as I predicted. If it has nothing to do with Robin and Marian, I'm game. I'd be interested to see how it ties in with 4B.

 

 

Adam Horowitz: Without giving the exact date, which we don't have in front of us, we are roughly in early 2013 given that the show started in October of 2011. We’ve been more or less running in real time, including the year time jump. Because of that, the trailer for Frozen hasn't even premiered so in the world of our show, none of the present-day Storybooke characters are aware of the Frozen mythology and universe.

Their timeline is so off. Henry's birthday would have to be in early 2001, but that's not possible because that's the year Emma met Neal. This is just a cop-out to suit their story. Makes me mad.

 

 

I think that the timeline isn’t really a question — what people will see is the story unfolding before them.

 

When you're doing a show as complicated and detailed as Once, timeline is always a question.

 

 

Once fans can relax — we have no intentions of sidelining those stories for Frozen.

 

Don't buy this. We just came off a half-season of sidelining.

 

 

We’re also going to find out that he has an interesting connection to another character from the past, from season one of Storybrooke.

I find that interesting. Kathryn?

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