Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Shanna Marie]

In the theater, it's pretty much the same definition, except in baseball it can happen at any point during a game and in the theater it happens at the end of the play. When the audience keeps cheering, the actor (or cast) comes back out for another bow.

Either way, since JMo is gone and has made it clear she's not coming back, this one episode comes after Emma's story concluded and is like a way for her to come out, take a bow, and then depart. But I'm not sure why they're arguing about it being Emma's goodbye when we know JMo isn't coming back. That makes it a goodbye. They may mean that Emma's story is continuing offscreen, but if it's the last we'll see of the character, then it's a goodbye. Unless they're doing some kind of body swap or recasting, it's goodbye. Why argue about the use of that word?

[Souris]

12 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

In the theater, it's pretty much the same definition, except in baseball it can happen at any point during a game and in the theater it happens at the end of the play. When the audience keeps cheering, the actor (or cast) comes back out for another bow.

Either way, since JMo is gone and has made it clear she's not coming back, this one episode comes after Emma's story concluded and is like a way for her to come out, take a bow, and then depart. But I'm not sure why they're arguing about it being Emma's goodbye when we know JMo isn't coming back. That makes it a goodbye. They may mean that Emma's story is continuing offscreen, but if it's the last we'll see of the character, then it's a goodbye. Unless they're doing some kind of body swap or recasting, it's goodbye. Why argue about the use of that word?

Because Adam likes to argue about word usage to distract from and ignore more meaningful things.

[Shanna Marie]

I suspect they're also shying away from the word "goodbye" since it's possible that while JMo is leaving the show, Emma isn't leaving that world. They're not killing her (I hope!). She's not going anywhere. She'll be in Storybrooke with her life going on. It's just that the story is taking place elsewhere. The part that's tripping them up is that it's hard to imagine her in Storybrooke with her life going on as part of the aftermath of her happy beginning when her son and her husband are away from her and not remembering who they are. I guess a lot of it depends on how they're handling time (pause to laugh until it hurts). It might not be so bad from her perspective if Henry aged so much because he was in a realm where time moved faster and if the Seattle curse has only been in place a short time. That way, Emma could have had 4 or so happy years with her family, then grown-up Henry heads out, and then a few months/a couple of years later they get the distress call, and Hook's only gone a few months after that. The way this show moves, the entire 7th season could take place within a couple of weeks. The really tricky part is that these cursed people seem to be interacting more with the real world. It's hard to imagine how someone could think he's been a Seattle cop for years when he's only been there a month if he's interacting with the rest of the police department. It's one thing to have the fake memories of always having been in a place when everyone else has fake memories of you always being there, but it's harder when it's part of a city that would require some interaction. Either the curse has to affect everyone they interact with, or there's some reason for them all to have just arrived in Seattle, and it's their past that's fake. So Officer Rogers may have just come to Seattle from Boston, New York, Dublin, etc. But then that requires a really thorough curse to give that kind of background. Again, Storybrooke didn't require background checks and references for hiring. Seattle PD would.

[Camera One]

4 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

The really tricky part is that these cursed people seem to be interacting more with the real world. It's hard to imagine how someone could think he's been a Seattle cop for years when he's only been there a month if he's interacting with the rest of the police department. It's one thing to have the fake memories of always having been in a place when everyone else has fake memories of you always being there, but it's harder when it's part of a city that would require some interaction. Either the curse has to affect everyone they interact with, or there's some reason for them all to have just arrived in Seattle, and it's their past that's fake. So Officer Rogers may have just come to Seattle from Boston, New York, Dublin, etc. But then that requires a really thorough curse to give that kind of background. 

Thanks for your interest in our show.  All your questions are being handled by the person who thought through the Ingrid-running-a-foster-home storyline.  See you in Season 7!  

A&E

Edited August 10, 2017 by Camera One

[Writing Wrongs]

It reminds me of Sawyer being a cop in the sideways world on "Lost".

[Rumsy4]

3 hours ago, Writing Wrongs said:

It reminds me of Sawyer being a cop in the sideways world on "Lost".

That's probably where they stole got the idea from.

[ParadoxLost]

On ‎8‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 8:38 PM, Camera One said:

Regina's new Cursed name is revealed.  Now all Emma's BFF's have names with two syllables.

Well crap, first thing that popped in my head was Regin-A- Roni.  Now its not going to go away.

[asabovesobelow]

13 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

Well crap, first thing that popped in my head was Regin-A- Roni.  Now its not going to go away.

So it's pronounced Row-ni? Like maca-roni? Not Ronnie? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 

[Camera One]

It hasn't been said out loud yet, only written down in an interview.  One of the many things to look forward to in Season 7.

I guess her bar Roni's replaces Granny's.  

Edited August 11, 2017 by Camera One

[Kktjones]

I know some people have speculated that when Jen was shooting 7x02, she could have also shot a reunion scene of some sort for the finale. Adam just shot that down on Twitter saying that in order to do "block shooting" she would have to agree to appear in additional episodes and Jen only agreed to one. I think that may put to rest all those that are convinced she will return for more in the future. If she wouldn't even agree to block shoot while she was there, I highly doubt she'll make another return. But that's just me. I don't begrudge Jen her decision, it just makes it so much easier for me to stop watching after 7x02. Not interested in seeing "Officer Rogers" suffering a sense of loss all season with no chance of a resolution or pay-off at the end...

 

Edited August 11, 2017 by Kktjones

[Camera One]

Maybe it requires further negotiations to do block shooting.  A&E aren't going to think/write ahead like that either.  I doubt they have the details planned, and as usual, they're going to write as if the show is going to last ten seasons.  That was how they handled Season 6... write as if the show would last forever, and then tack on an "ending" if necessary and say they had a x-year plan. No need to alter any plans whatsoever for exiting actors (eg. Gosh).  

It won't be satisfying, but they could still give CS a happy ending by doing a closeup on her red leather jacket while some out-of-focus blonde extra hugs Hook in the background as soaring background music plays, perhaps with some narration from Lucy that her family lived happily ever after.  And then slow-mo in Granny's as Henry, Lucy, Cinders, Hook and Regina toasts Lady Tremaine and Rumple and Belle and Gideon and the "new" book closes.

Edited August 11, 2017 by Camera One

[Shanna Marie]

43 minutes ago, Camera One said:

It won't be satisfying, but they could still give CS a happy ending by doing a closeup on her red leather jacket while some out-of-focus blonde extra hugs Hook in the background as soaring background music plays, perhaps with some narration from Lucy that her family lived happily ever after.

Or just show Hook running up the front steps of the house, with the yellow Bug parked outside, and into the house. We'd know he's being reunited with Emma inside. Yeah, not as good as seeing the hug/kiss, but I suspect that whatever we imagine of their reunion would be better than what we got on the screen, even if we got to see Emma.

[Camera One]

Given how generic this show is, block shooting could have been done easily.  

"You FOUND me!"

"I've been waiting for you... our second happy beginning is about to start."

"Killian... this is tough for me but I want to say... I... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .... love you."

"Killian, meet our new brood!  I had several accelerated pregnancies, so I want to introduce you to Cruella, Maleficent, Hades, Cora, Rumple, Fiona, Peter Pan, George, James, our twins Jekyll and Hyde, Tremaine, Nimue, Lily II, August II, August III, Gina, Reggie, Roni, Regigi, Reginastiltskin, and The Evil Queenie."

Edited August 11, 2017 by Camera One

[Mitch]

No offense, as this is not directed just at Morrison, but I never understand why these actors leave shows (Which she has done before) to go on to bigger things, and totally close the door. I can see that she wants more time to "pursue other projects," and who knows what negotiations took place but I think this season is one and done, so why not have a contract for one more year with more flexibility and time off..i.e. she doesn't appear in every episode...or she "block films" as they say.   I know that would entail A & E having to think things out..but...

I think its a combo of Morrison being the typical actor who is bored (I can't blame her but really people is everyone's job exciting everyday..) and a bit spoiled...(with this and show and House she has been working steady for a while which is an actor's dream) and A& E wanting to test waters with Hook and some new broad who is going to come a whole lot cheaper. 

I have a feeling she will be back for the finale..A & E will see they need her, Morrison will have the time...the show is a wrap..

[SiobhanJW]

It could be possible that in that Episode we do get closure with Hook & Emma- maybe showing them far far far off into the Future much older. And we know that everything is okay with them in particular. But this is just a story-line that Hook is having now.

Edited August 11, 2017 by SiobhanJW

[RadioGirl27]

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I have a feeling she will be back for the finale..A & E will see they need her, Morrison will have the time...the show is a wrap..

Nah, I doubt it. She is not interested and neither are A&E. Captain Swan is dead, and it would be buried in episode 2. 

At least there is still fan fiction.

[KingOfHearts]

The more I think about it, the more I think Tiana is the only thing to have any hype for in S7. And even then, it's minuscule. I'd much rather A&E come out with, "Here's a bunch of new characters we'll be focusing on for something completely different from before". A&E can introduce new characters and their backstories fairly well. It's dealing with long-term baggage they can't handle well. That's why I don't see the purpose in keeping Hook, Regina, and Rumple. I'd be perfectly happy if it were more like a spin-off. 

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"Killian, meet our new brood!  I had several accelerated pregnancies, so I want to introduce you to Cruella, Maleficent, Hades, Cora, Rumple, Fiona, Peter Pan, George, James, our twins Jekyll and Hyde, Tremaine, Nimue, Lily II, August II, August III, Gina, Reggie, Roni, Regigi, Reginastiltskin, and The Evil Queenie."

Alright, I laughed at this.

Edited August 12, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

8 hours ago, Mitch said:

No offense, as this is not directed just at Morrison, but I never understand why these actors leave shows (Which she has done before) to go on to bigger things, and totally close the door.

Jen was let go from House. She did not leave voluntarily. And even after she left on less than happy terms, she went back to film the finale, which took some work to fit into her schedule. When you sign a six year contract, that's the expectation to be filled. If you're unhappy during those six years, you suck it up and work through it. Then you get to leave when you're done. Josh, Ginny and Jen all decided that was enough for them. The show could go on just fine without them.  This is not on Jen or any of the other not returning actors and it's completely unfair to blame them or criticize them for completing their full contract and moving on. We know nothing about their personal lives or reasons for wanting something else. Adam has been completely unprofessional in discussing the contract negotiations with Jen and what they offered on Twitter (now deleted). 

We have come up with multiple ways to include Regina, Rumpel and Hook all without destroying the happy endings they were given in the S6 finale. The writers seem to have decided that the first seasons of their show are unimportant and fans don't care about that, so we get Roni and Officer Rogers and Cinderella 2.0. I think the writers are dumb to play it this way, but that's what arrogance and hubris gets you. A season focused on Henry and his epic romance and Lady Tremaine 2.0 as Regina redux and random newbies who will be dropped like a rock as soon as the writers find a new shiny.

And then we get something like this. These guys are clearly not interested in further seasons.

IGN: Are you looking to have new love interests for characters like Hook and Regina?

Horowitz: What I’ll say is this: romance is a huge part of the show, but for those characters in particular, they’re dealing with other things right now. For Regina, for example, she’s never been someone who’s been defined by finding a romantic partner. She’s about so much more, and really much more important is the relationship with her son.

Kitsis: And I think you’re going to find with Hook there’s also a pressing goal ahead of him. I would never say never – and I don’t want to say yes … but the truth of the matter is, right now, they have other things going on in the first half of this season. Again, it is Once Upon a Time and romance is going to be on the show, especially with Henry and Cinderella, who we’re modeling after [Charming and Snow].

Edited August 12, 2017 by KAOS Agent

[daxx]

Eddy's trolling likely lost some potential viewers if my tumblr is anything to go by.

[Curio]

6 hours ago, SiobhanJW said:

It could be possible that in that Episode we do get closure with Hook & Emma- maybe showing them far far far off into the Future much older. And we know that everything is okay with them in particular. But this is just a story-line that Hook is having now.

This is the only way I can possibly see a one-episode-only Emma cameo working. It'd be nice if Emma and Hook find some magical crystal ball where they can look into the future and see that they're reunited and happy, so they reluctantly say goodbye to each other before the curse hits knowing for certain they'll be back together again soon.

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And I think you’re going to find with Hook there’s also a pressing goal ahead of him. I would never say never – and I don’t want to say yes

No. Just no. All you have to say is no. No one wants to see it.

[KingOfHearts]

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For Regina, for example, she’s never been someone who’s been defined by finding a romantic partner.

Um... what the hell? Weren't Daniel and Robin driving forces for her?

Edited August 12, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

More from that IGN article.

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Eddy Kitsis: It's going to be the same exact format, the same exact thing that people experience, hence the requel. Instead of Storybrooke, we're going to be in Seattle, in a neighborhood called Hyperion Heights.

It's going to be "the same exact thing".  Sounds really exciting and intriguing.

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IGN: And how about what you can tease for Belle and Rumple?

Horowitz: I think the thing we're most interested in teasing for the audience is it's sort of a hyper romantic story --

Right, the words that come to my mind first with these two is "hyper romantic".

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Kitsis: We saw at the end of last year that Rumple and Belle showed up at the family dinner at Granny's, so it sort of hinted that they had a grandfather/grandson relationship. 

LOL, He shows up at dinner so that means they have a grandfather/grandson relationship?  Great writing, you guys.

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Horowitz: For Regina, for example, she's never been someone who's been defined by finding a romantic partner. She's about so much more, and really much more important is the relationship with her son.

She is "so much more than that", unlike those other chopped liver characters.

Edited August 12, 2017 by Camera One

[Free]

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

The more I think about it, the more I think Tiana is the only thing to have any hype for in S7. And even then, it's minuscule. I'd much rather A&E come out with, "Here's a bunch of new characters we'll be focusing on for something completely different from before". A&E can introduce new characters and their backstories fairly well. It's dealing with long-term baggage they can't handle well. That's why I don't see the purpose in keeping Hook, Regina, and Rumple. I'd be perfectly happy if it were more like a spin-off. 

Alright, I laughed at this.

And I'm not even sure it'll even work given how they handled characters like Aladdin.

19 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Um... what the hell? Weren't Daniel and Robin driving forces for her?

Let alone the driving force of the curse, the series itself, her character, etc.

22 minutes ago, daxx said:

Eddy's trolling likely lost some potential viewers if my tumblr is anything to go by.

It's just not really appealing and because many cast members are leaving, many people can drop the show since they don't have to stick around for the characters anymore.

[ParadoxLost]

6 minutes ago, Camera One said:

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Eddy Kitsis: It's going to be the same exact format, the same exact thing that people experience, hence the requel. Instead of Storybrooke, we're going to be in Seattle, in a neighborhood called Hyperion Heights.

I am irrationally irritated that I have learned a new word.  Remake and reboot where enough and I frankly am annoyed that like those words, I will never grasp the minutiae of difference between requel, remake, and reboot.  Doubly irritated because you just know that A&E will inevitably get all superior in twitter about how a requel isn't anything like whatever they take offense at... like goodbye vs. curtain call.

And what the heck kind of media research have they been getting to change the party line from "new viewers can watch the show" to "its the same exact thing, exact same format". 

[Rumsy4]

31 minutes ago, Camera One said:

She is "so much more than that", unlike those other chopped liver characters.

Totally! They ran out of runway for those chopped liver charatcers anyway. 

42 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

 This is not on Jen or any of the other not returning actors and it's completely unfair to blame them or criticize them for completing their full contract and moving on. We know nothing about their personal lives or reasons for wanting something else. Adam has been completely unprofessional in discussing the contract negotiations with Jen and what they offered on Twitter (now deleted). 

100% agree. It's not like A&E gave them any incentive to stick around.

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Eddy's trolling likely lost some potential viewers if my tumblr is anything to go by.

The more Eddy talks, the more I want to brain him. I really almost dislike him at this point. 

Edited August 12, 2017 by Rumsy4

[CCTC]

26 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Kitsis: We saw at the end of last year that Rumple and Belle showed up at the family dinner at Granny's, so it sort of hinted that they had a grandfather/grandson relationship. 

That scene was so wrong, since I believe he was still ready to have Emma be sacrificed that very episode.  He never showed any affection to Henry and I believe willing to sacrifice him at times as well.  While Regina's redemption might have been a bit contrived and hollow, she did at least show that she cared for the other people in her dysfunctional family.  I don't believe Gold once was showed he cared for anyone who was not Belle or one of his sons and looked at everyone else with disdain, except maybe some grudging respect for Regina when she was not in  a hero mode.

[Free]

2 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

I am irrationally irritated that I have learned a new word.  Remake and reboot where enough and I frankly am annoyed that like those words, I will never grasp the minutiae of difference between requel, remake, and reboot.  Doubly irritated because you just know that A&E will inevitably get all superior in twitter about how a requel isn't anything like whatever they take offense at... like goodbye vs. curtain call.

And what the heck kind of media research have they been getting to change the party line from "new viewers can watch the show" to "its the same exact thing, exact same format". 

They can call it whatever they like, that still doesn't make it sound any better.

[Camera One]

This article is all about requels and how it's all the rage.   Of course Eddy would be all over it.

From the article:

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But the requel is different in that it nods to and exploits goodwill toward the past while launching a new generation of actors and stories. Imax Entertainment CEO Greg Foster compares the concept to a mulligan in golf, where a player is informally allowed to replay a stroke. "You get to keep the best of both worlds," he says. "If something has been played out but people really like it, you can cherry-pick and keep what works and what people responded to and cared about."

Adds box-office analyst Jeff Bock: "At least with a reboot that is also a sequel, the lineage of events stays intact. Bridging the old and the new is an easy way for studios to link generations of fans together and continue to grow an audience, all without having to market and sell a whole new world to ticket buyers. In other words, it's easy money."

[Rumsy4]

1 hour ago, KAOS Agent said:

Adam has been completely unprofessional in discussing the contract negotiations with Jen and what they offered on Twitter (now deleted). 

Apparently, he went on and on to multiple fans on twitter all week about the terms they offered her (including money, etc..). It's like Inigo Montoya. The one thing they didn't offer her was a decent storyline in Season 6. Way to be unprofessional, bitter, cowardly, and vengeful, Adam! Between this and Eddy's comments, I really really hope JMo doesn't come back, no matter what I feel about Captain Swan. Thank goodness for fanfic!

Edited August 12, 2017 by Rumsy4

[formerlyfreedom]

This is a reminder that this topic is for discussion of spoilers. If it's not a spoiler, this isn't the place to talk about it: not to rehash decisions made by cast or crew or argue about past seasons.

We've allowed a lot of leeway, but it's sliding way off topic the last few days, so let's please right the ship and talk about spoilers for Season Seven of Once Upon A Time.

[KAOS Agent]

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She is "so much more than that", unlike those other chopped liver characters.

What cracks me up about this is that they go on to basically make sure that we know that Henry's story is all about the romance. He's obviously not more than that. 

I'm also loving the it's the exact same thing line they're peddling. Why would I be inspired to watch the exact same thing? No one got justice for their suffering and the murderous villains won. Yes, please give me more of this.

Edited August 12, 2017 by KAOS Agent

[Camera One]

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IGN: Why is Roni the right name for this new cursed version of Regina?

Kitsis: We wanted a name that was specific. She's playing a bartender who's kind of sticking up for the neighborhood. She's the last hold out. 

Aww.. that's our Roni.  Sticking up for the neighborhood, spokesperson for the oppressed.   Though her bar looks pretty polished and upscale to me.

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we're going to find a neighborhood that is slowly being developed by Lady Tremaine, and what she realized is if she pushes all the fairy tale characters away from the neighborhood, and they're all separated, they can never find each other. The [ultimate] goal is, well, if Snow and Charming lived in separate cities, how would they ever meet?

Wow, pure evil.  As with the original Curse, this has got to be the dumbest form of revenge ever.  Why not just kill Cinders and Prince Henry back in the Enchanted Forest?  

And since the Hyperion Heights residents already know each other, even if the neighborhood is dispersed, they can always communicate by you know, Email?  Facebook?  Texting?  Using the freak'in telephone?  

Edited August 12, 2017 by Camera One

[RadioGirl27]

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And I think you’re going to find with Hook there’s also a pressing goal ahead of him. I would never say never – and I don’t want to say yes

See, what I said. Captain Swan is dead, dead, dead. 

[CCTC]

9 hours ago, Camera One said:

As with the original Curse, this has got to be the dumbest form of revenge ever

In retrospect, but how it was set out in season 1 it made for some good drama and suspense and there was some logic to why Regina cast it and why Gold manipulated her into casting.  Outside that context it does not make a lot of sense someone would go to that much trouble for a luke-warm revenge and to keep themselves trapped in a non-magical world with her victims, not to mention non of the novelty of the curse that existed in the first year is there now - esp. the memory loss, since they have even done that outside the curse.  If they really wanted a fresh start, they would drop that format, but I suspect it is cheaper to film modern world scenes, although they could still have the characters in the modern world without doing the whole when will he or she remember who they are again.

Edited August 12, 2017 by CCTC

[Camera One]

Spoilers say she's a real estate developer, so in their flashbacks, they'll have to explain why Lady Tremaine wants to punish everyone in the realm.  With Regina, I suppose she could argue the people didn't recognize her as queen, and she could also gain satisfaction from seeing Snowing's old friends/turned-out-to-be-pointless War Council suffering under the Curse.  

I also wonder if they will give Lady Tremaine magic in the flashback fairytale land world.

A&E wanted to keep the format because it's their security blanket and they could argue it's a "requel".  With the template already there, Season 7 is basically a fill-in-the-blanks, with certain characters playing multiple roles.  Any deviations they do make can be trumpeted as a "surprising twist" and "a new take".

Based on what they have revealed so far about Season 7:

Hyperion Heights/"Real World" Current Day

Adult Henry replaces Emma when working with Lucy/Regina/Hook, and replaces Mary Margaret when working with Cinderella
Lucy replaces Young Henry
Lady Tremaine replaces Regina
Cinderella replaces David
Drizella replaces Sidney
Regina and Hook replace Mary Margaret when working with Adult Henry, and supporting townspeople (Granny, Graham) in their functional roles.
Rumple replaces Rumple

Flashback/FairyTale World

Adult Henry and Cinderella replace Snowing
Lady Tremaine replaces The Evil Queen
Drizella replaces supporting characters helping the villain, including The Magic Mirror and Henry Sr.
Rumple replaces Rumple

Edited August 13, 2017 by Camera One

[scenicbyway]

On 8/11/2017 at 1:52 PM, Mitch said:

No offense, as this is not directed just at Morrison, but I never understand why these actors leave shows (Which she has done before) to go on to bigger things, and totally close the door. I can see that she wants more time to "pursue other projects," and who knows what negotiations took place but I think this season is one and done, so why not have a contract for one more year with more flexibility and time off..i.e. she doesn't appear in every episode...or she "block films" as they say.   I know that would entail A & E having to think things out..but...

I think its a combo of Morrison being the typical actor who is bored (I can't blame her but really people is everyone's job exciting everyday..) and a bit spoiled...(with this and show and House she has been working steady for a while which is an actor's dream) and A& E wanting to test waters with Hook and some new broad who is going to come a whole lot cheaper. 

I have a feeling she will be back for the finale..A & E will see they need her, Morrison will have the time...the show is a wrap..

I don't understand signing up as the Lead on the show and leaving before the end of the show.  Sure we can bicker about the writing, Regina getting a better storyline, etc but at the end of the day, Morrison chose to leave without resolution for her Lead character.  As her character's son and husband are staying on the show it's just bizarre to me that Emma wouldn't be on the show as well. It's hard for me to believe she wouldn't have said she'd come back for the finale, I mean as a fan, that's all I'm asking for, that we have a little hope that Hook and Henry will be reunited with Emma someday.

[oncebluethrone]

3 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

I don't understand signing up as the Lead on the show and leaving before the end of the show.  Sure we can bicker about the writing, Regina getting a better storyline, etc but at the end of the day, Morrison chose to leave without resolution for her Lead character.  As her character's son and husband are staying on the show it's just bizarre to me that Emma wouldn't be on the show as well. It's hard for me to believe she wouldn't have said she'd come back for the finale, I mean as a fan, that's all I'm asking for, that we have a little hope that Hook and Henry will be reunited with Emma someday.

When Jen left, her contact had been fulfilled and Emma's story was complete. But since ABC decided to renew the show, it won't be complete anymore. Jen said in her exit interviews that she could only promise one episode, but also that she wasn't completely closing the door on a possible return. She never said she wouldn't come back for the finale, there is no way she could have known her schedule that far ahead. I do think she'll return for the finale, but there is no guarantee of that happening. With Jen's singular episode, A&E are going to have to both explain Emma's absence and close the door on her character without ruining the story they've built for six years as well as the legacy of the show. And no, they're not killing her.

[Kktjones]

13 minutes ago, oncebluethrone said:

Jen said in her exit interviews that she could only promise one episode, but also that she wasn't completely closing the door on a possible return.

In which exit interview did she say she wasn't closing the door on a possible return? With all the back and forth on Twitter with Adam, I recently went back and read the two-part exit interview with TVLine. She only briefly mentioned returning for one episode, but they never discussed the possibility of her coming back for any additional eps. I know in some of the interviews back in Feb. during negotiations she said she would never abandon Emma, but I think she feels coming back for one final episode is her way of allowing them to close out her story. Yes, she MAY come back for a series finale, but I honestly believe that A&E are not planning on her return. That means any story they set up with Hook and Henry will not be able to be paid off in terms of a reunion with Emma :(. And the fact that Eddy said "never say never" about a love interest for Hook to me means that they leave their story open-ended (that is, they will not show a "flash-forward" type resolution in 7x02 like some have speculated).

[maryle]

Jen has been asked specifically about a serie final and her answer was "she didn't know! " and "couldn't promise" I will add that she always came back for all her show even house where she was fired! So, if she is not in the final for me it is a strong indicator that something bts play a role in the situation.

Now, jen and gosh totally fulfilled their contract and for them the show was over as they close the first book! If the show runner choose to keep going on is not on them! The natural way was to do a spin off instead they choose a strange mix! Who will have worse rating than the show they remplace won't satisfied the loyal viewers neither if there really new one.

I am curious if jen will open up on her version and if she would be open to appear in the final in the conv she is doing next week! I think she should at this point.

[KingOfHearts]

I have mixed feelings if "Greenbacks" is a Zelena reference. If she's just getting a cameo episode, like Emma and Belle, I'll pass. I'd rather see her come back to the show in a fuller capacity, since she got cheated out of any decent treatment in S6. 

[maryle]

Don't know if it is about zelena but I have trouble to understand if it is!

I mean they all say that the new snowing will be the big love story and how much it is important for the old and"  new viewers " to connect with all the new characters but we 5 episodes into and they don't seems to have any centric if this one is really about zelena!

[Camera One]

I am assuming the first episode will flashback to the story of Henry and Cinderella and how they met and fell in love?  They need to sell Lame-o Slippers pronto if they're meant to be this reboot's "It" couple.  I suppose the first episode could also be mostly Cinderella's backstory, since they need to introduce Lady Tremaine and Drizella.  

"Greenbacks" will introduce the Not Wicked Witch who's "as wicked as they come", who turns out to be an evil Robyn who Aunt Roni will need to love and reform.

Edited August 16, 2017 by Camera One

[KAOS Agent]

Did anyone ever come up with the ship name for Henry/New!Cinderella for Jane Espenson? Because I think it doesn't really bode well for the new Snowing that no one seems to care about them. Then again, no one seems to care about anything other than how the relationships between remaining/exiting characters are being written. 

"Greenbacks" is being written by two new writers, so this one will probably focus on the new characters. Maybe one of the newbies is a stripper who is about to be evicted by the evil Lady Tremaine/Regina 2.0. Then a mysterious stranger comes into town with a printing press hidden in a box on his bike that makes dollar bills. He then makes it rain massive amounts in the strip club to help the poor stripper. Of course, there's a price for all these magical greenbacks being thrown about so our poor stripper finds herself arrested for passing counterfeit bills, gets evicted and ends up living in her car until her sister/mother/aunt/second cousin twice removed (but cursed so the relationship is unknown) offers her a room in her loft.

[Free]

5 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

Did anyone ever come up with the ship name for Henry/New!Cinderella for Jane Espenson? Because I think it doesn't really bode well for the new Snowing that no one seems to care about them. Then again, no one seems to care about anything other than how the relationships between remaining/exiting characters are being written. 

"Greenbacks" is being written by two new writers, so this one will probably focus on the new characters. Maybe one of the newbies is a stripper who is about to be evicted by the evil Lady Tremaine/Regina 2.0. Then a mysterious stranger comes into town with a printing press hidden in a box on his bike that makes dollar bills. He then makes it rain massive amounts in the strip club to help the poor stripper. Of course, there's a price for all these magical greenbacks being thrown about so our poor stripper finds herself arrested for passing counterfeit bills, gets evicted and ends up living in her car until her sister/mother/aunt/second cousin twice removed (but cursed so the relationship is unknown) offers her a room in her loft.

That's because Henry hasn't been a popular character to begin with, he was just a cute plot device that grew up and barely did much else on the show since then.  An adult version of him wasn't going to change that.

[CCTC]

53 minutes ago, Free said:

That's because Henry hasn't been a popular character to begin with, he was just a cute plot device that grew up and barely did much else on the show since then.  An adult version of him wasn't going to change that.

I am still bitter that in the last episode of Snow, Charming, and Emma (and Emma and Hook), Henry had the most screen time.

I have been watching season 1, and while he was a cute kid and a much more natural child actor, episodes where he is featured too much drag a little.  Not due to his acting, but the cute child badgering and emotionally manipulating Emma could get a bit much.  That is one of the reasons I was not happy about the reboot having Lucy playing the same role.  It is interesting to see how little he wanted to do with Regina and how cold she is towards him.

[Shanna Marie]

7 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

Did anyone ever come up with the ship name for Henry/New!Cinderella for Jane Espenson? Because I think it doesn't really bode well for the new Snowing that no one seems to care about them.

It's hard to care before we've actually seen them. That's the problem with all their pre-ordained romances. Put it out there and write it in such a way that people get emotionally invested, and it will take care of itself. Tell us ahead of time that it's destined to be epic before we've even seen them on screen together, and not only do people not care, but they tend to resist out of stubbornness, or else they'll hold it to a ridiculously high standard and end up disappointed when they don't get the epic they were promised. Under-promise and over-deliver and you get a happy audience. I guess they were worried about people not being invested and over-sold this, but I think it would have been a lot more effective to be vague. This is a rare case on this show of a relationship that wouldn't have been obvious -- Henry's a non-canon character, we think we know the Cinderella story. They could have surprised us with this, made us think we were getting the regular Cinderella story and then let Henry and Cinderella have really engaging interactions that made us want them together.

[KingOfHearts]

I'm already prepared to detest Henriella. It's contrived, involves one of my least favorite characters, and includes a character who is just a knockoff of another one.

[Camera One]

If they want new viewers, they should market the Princess angle and pick a few more famous ones... insisting multiple times that Henry and Cinderella will be the "new" Snowing sounds like a desperate and pathetic attempt to appeal to old viewers, except why would old viewers want to invest in a new pairing when the last one ended up taking turns sleeping off-screen?  

I'm wondering if they are waiting on creating buzz for Tiana and the new Alice.  Why have a new Alice when they mention nothing about her?  

Speculation that "Greenbacks" is about Tiana makes sense given the "green" part and finances.  Since this show is so relevant to our world, it's going to explore the economic troubles in urban America.

[KingOfHearts]

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Since this show is so relevant to our world, it's going to explore the economic troubles in urban America.

Tiana will probably be trying to open a Denny's franchise.

[Camera One]

The people of Hyperion Heights will rally to visit her fusion restaurant on opening day despite Lady Tremaine's attempt to get public health inspectors to shut the restaurant down by throwing rice all over the fireplace to attract rodents.  

Edited August 16, 2017 by Camera One