Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[PixiePaws1]

Could they try to pass the little girl off as Jasmine and Aladdin's...?

She could be CS' adopted daughter....or she could be their granddaughter...

[Kktjones]

22 minutes ago, cappoe said:

They filmed the reception, so yes they get married

Can you tell me the source for this? I follow spoilers pretty closely, but didn't see anywhere that explicitly said a wedding or reception was filmed. I know Katmtan confirmed the wedding was in 6x20 (the musical ep), but that's the only thing I've seen by way of confirmation. I know that Matt M reported dancing, but I think some of the numbers in the musical are singing and dancing, so that doesn't seem to confirm a reception. Anyway, I hope I just missed it, b/c I am also nervous that something happens and they don't actually get married. A&E love their twists and pulling the rug out from under people.

On another note, does anyone find it odd that there have been so few spoilers about Emma? We have heard a lot about Rumple, Gideon, Black Fairy, Regina & Robin, Hook & Charming, but very little about Emma. I also seem to recall that she didn't seem to be filming very much for eps 12 - 14, so maybe there just isn't much to say at this point.  

[cappoe]

Just now, Kktjones said:

Can you tell me the source for this? I follow spoilers pretty closely, but didn't see anywhere that explicitly said a wedding or reception was filmed. I know Katmtan confirmed the wedding was in 6x20 (the musical ep), but that's the only thing I've seen by way of confirmation. I know that Matt M reported dancing, but I think some of the numbers in the musical are singing and dancing, so that doesn't seem to confirm a reception. Anyway, I hope I just missed it, b/c I am also nervous that something happens and they don't actually get married. A&E love their twists and pulling the rug out from under people.

Leanne one of the biggest CS fans was on set for the wedding. I promise you if CS did not get married she would not have been as happy as she was. And yes there's dancing which obviously means the reception was filmed as well.

If you also look at the pics taken on March 8th it's very obvious a wedding was filmed. 

8 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

Could they try to pass the little girl off as Jasmine and Aladdin's...?

She could be CS' adopted daughter....or she could be their granddaughter...

I honestly think the little girl just comes from the same realm as Gideon and the new guy.

[Mathius]

21 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

On another note, does anyone find it odd that there have been so few spoilers about Emma?

No, because A&E don't care about Emma and don't like writing for her.  She's largely irrelevant.  I thought that was obvious by now. 

[Souris]

1 hour ago, cappoe said:

No she can't or at least I don't think she can. The casting call specifically said the little girl comes from a broken home aka a home where her parents are divorced/separated. 

We can't take casting notes as 100% gospel. They have fudged, misrepresented or outright lied on them before. Things aren't always literal. "Broken home" could have connotations beyond the obvious divorce/separation. 

I remember a time when people thought we were getting King John/Richard the Lion-heart based on casting notes. 

[cappoe]

13 minutes ago, Souris said:

We can't take casting notes as 100% gospel. They have fudged, misrepresented or outright lied on them before. Things aren't always literal. "Broken home" could have connotations beyond the obvious divorce/separation. 

I remember a time when people thought we were getting King John/Richard the Lion-heart based on casting notes. 

The term "broken home" is very specific and only used for when a home is broken by means of divorce or separation. Otherwise it is termed as a broken family. It is a very specific thing and I doubt it doesn't mean anything.

Aside from that the fact that the little girl isn't only filming with Colin(she filmed with Bex, Lana, Jaladdin and the new guy as well) and looks nothing like him or Tiger Lily is probably grounds to say she's not their daughter.

I would say if there's a S7 that is when we'll find out whom her parents are or were since like the new guy she's probably connected to the new realm.

Tiger Lily is in 6x17, 6x18, and 6x19. And I'm pretty sure she's only in FB's no present day. Also based on the timeline Hook was frozen for 28 years in the EF. It would be literally impossible for him to have a 10 year old daughter.

Another thing to take note of if she was to have a specific race they would have said as such in her casting notice. The fact that there was not a specification is grounds to say she's not related to anyone we know. If she was Tiger Lily's daughter she would absolutely have a specific race in the casting notice. It's standard for TV.

Edited March 18, 2017 by cappoe

[sharky]

You know, I'm starting to wonder if the little girl is connected to any of them at this point. With Tiger Lily coming into play for so many episodes, maybe this girl is a Lost Boy that Hook brings back with him.

And as for Emma, we have had some on set photos of her that were from late in the night. Just because we haven't seen her out at filming locations doesn't mean she's not filming.

[cappoe]

5 hours ago, sharky said:

You know, I'm starting to wonder if the little girl is connected to any of them at this point. With Tiger Lily coming into play for so many episodes, maybe this girl is a Lost Boy that Hook brings back with him.

And as for Emma, we have had some on set photos of her that were from late in the night. Just because we haven't seen her out at filming locations doesn't mean she's not filming.

I honestly think the little girl and the new guy are connected to only Gideon because they're from the BF's realm.

[maryle]

The final seem so full of characters I don't care about.

Aladdin, Jasmine, Gideon, the new guy, the little girl, if the tendance hold I won't care much for the BF.

When it can be the series final and is certainly the final of a lot of the characters we do Love. Even, if I do love Zelena if it really weird to see her filming this much when I don't remember the last time we saw Emily filmed something.

 

There so much hystery it is really hard to still in the fandom these days

Like even when the gossip can't possibly be about Jen because she physically was not there. Probably Bex because Josh and Colin filmed at a isolate location it came back to Jen is absolutely, totally leaving anyway!

When the major gossip about her seem vague or coming from people who loathe her.

I have absolutely not idea if she will come back but I don't believe nobody know her negciaton process or any negotiations with anyone right now.

 

I understand Rumbelle fans wanting to believe it is not rumple dying but I the story about him call for atragic end. The actor does love this kind of ending and as I am sure they won't kill Regina it is A. E only place to write a shocking and tragic conclusion of some kind.  I do believe they always wanted one of their character to have at least one tragic end.

[Free]

17 hours ago, Souris said:

We can't take casting notes as 100% gospel. They have fudged, misrepresented or outright lied on them before. Things aren't always literal. "Broken home" could have connotations beyond the obvious divorce/separation. 

I remember a time when people thought we were getting King John/Richard the Lion-heart based on casting notes. 

The description sounds like Emma 2.0.

[scenicbyway]

Blah, blah, blah, I'm so tired of the speculation about cancellation and how only Regina and Hook could be back next year. What I've read said that all of the original cast's contracts are up, so basically it's only Hook that back!

Anyway...about Hook's redemption, apparently A&E missed the episode where Hook allowed himself to be KILLED to save everyone from the Underworld minions aka past Dark Ones.  And they also missed the episode where Hook was sent back to Emma by Zeus!  I mean, redemption complete, several times over.  The guy has bought a ring, he's ready for the next step, more self doubt is just dumb because at the end of the day, Emma loves all of him no matter what he's done.

[oncebluethrone]

1 hour ago, scenicbyway said:

Anyway...about Hook's redemption, apparently A&E missed the episode where Hook allowed himself to be KILLED to save everyone from the Underworld minions aka past Dark Ones.  And they also missed the episode where Hook was sent back to Emma by Zeus!  I mean, redemption complete, several times over.  The guy has bought a ring, he's ready for the next step, more self doubt is just dumb because at the end of the day, Emma loves all of him no matter what he's done.

Agree with this so much. It's like A&E enjoy repeating the same story lines. Oh wait, they do.

[oncebluethrone]

Quick question:

I've heard people in the fandom mention Hook's solo adventure lasting longer than episode 15, but have found no evidence for it. Can I get an explanation for why people are thinking this?

[cappoe]

So according to info the little girl and Colin did not film together. All she did was take a picture with him when he was out of his costume. Much the same as when young Zelena took pics with him in the episode she appeared. According to Kat the only person the little girl has filmed with is the new guy.

[Serena]

Okay, guys, I've had what I'm pretty sure is NOT an hallucination and I wanted to share with you.

Like five minutes ago I had a Tweetdeck notification from the @EW account with the tweet: "OUAT stars on the Emma-Hook twist [link]". When I went to check the EW twitter there was no tweet. Now, I'm PRETTY SURE I did not hallucinate it, so it's maybe possible it was meant to be published after the episode aired with an article containing spoilers about tonight's episode? 

So here you have it. Either tonight's episode contains a CS twist, or I should start looking for a good doctor.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Serena

[Kktjones]

16 minutes ago, Serena said:

"OUAT stars on the Emma-Hook twist [link]"

Very interesting! It actually fits perfectly with what I think is going to happen tonight. Hook is going to agonize for the entire ep and decide to come clean with Emma. However, she's going to discover the ring and propose to him instead. So they will get engaged with the secret still hanging over their heads. Because Emma is only allowed to be cute and flirty with Hook when he's keeping a secret. 

Edited March 19, 2017 by Kktjones

[cappoe]

43 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

Very interesting! It actually fits perfectly with what I think is going to happen tonight. Hook is going to agonize for the entire ep and decide to come clean with Emma. However, she's going to discover the ring and propose to him instead. So they will get engaged with the secret still hanging over their heads. Because Emma is only allowed to be cute and flirty with Hook when he's keeping a secret. 

Actually according to spoilers leaked from spoilerguide Hook does come clean to Emma in tonight's episode.  He tells her but nobody else.

Edited March 19, 2017 by cappoe

[Kktjones]

14 minutes ago, cappoe said:

spoilers leaked from spoilerguide

Ooo - what's "spoiler guide"?

I know the press release said "Hook gathers the courage to come clean to Emma, but not before she discovers he’s been keeping a secret," which some people are interpreting to mean that he tells her in this episode. But in that post-6x12 EW article, Colin said "Whether or not he wants to tell is a big, big, big issue in a couple of the episodes." So, I'm sticking to my prediction that he doesn't tell her tonight and it's further complicated b/c she proposes to him.

Another reason I think this will happen is that it will taint and ruin the CaptainSwan proposal and we are not allowed to have nice things anymore :(.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Kktjones

[cappoe]

3 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

Ooo - what's "spoiler guide"?

I know the press release said "Hook gathers the courage to come clean to Emma, but not before she discovers he’s been keeping a secret," which some people are interpreting to mean that he tells her in this episode. But in that post-6x12 EW article, Colin said "Whether or not he wants to tell is a big, big, big issue in a couple of the episodes." So, I'm sticking to my prediction that he doesn't tell her tonight and it's further complicated b/c she proposes to him.

That could be the case. We'll know in 3 hrs I guess. 

[Rumsy4]

31 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

Another reason I think this will happen is that it will taint and ruin the CaptainSwan proposal and we are not allowed to have nice things anymore :(.

And another parallel to Rumple's proposal to Belle with the fake Dagger. Very romantic.

[KateJones]

Pretty sure Hook tells her next week. Or the evil queen  tells them all. They all look miserable. 

Edited March 20, 2017 by KateJones

[Curio]

4 hours ago, Kktjones said:

Very interesting! It actually fits perfectly with what I think is going to happen tonight. Hook is going to agonize for the entire ep and decide to come clean with Emma. However, she's going to discover the ring and propose to him instead. So they will get engaged with the secret still hanging over their heads. Because Emma is only allowed to be cute and flirty with Hook when he's keeping a secret. 

 

Looks like you nailed it, @Kktjones .

[Kktjones]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but anyone that didn't see that coming hasn't watched this show for the last 6 years. Now I can just go ahead and delete the unwatched ep off my DVR.

We also know from filming spoilers that Colin & Jen didn't film much at all for the next ep, so I'm guessing they have maybe one scene again. I just can't believe the lack of Emma on this show. What is happening??

[pezgirl7]

7 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

Now I can just go ahead and delete the unwatched ep off my DVR.

Nooo, don't do that! Just skip to the very end to watch Killian getting down on one knee and to see a very happy Emma.

[Free]

28 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

I just can't believe the lack of Emma on this show. What is happening??

It feels like she's being phased out, well it seems that way.

[sharky]

So I was over on the reddit Once board to see what the reaction was over there, and in a discussion about who could be leaving the show, someone mentioned that Robert is being considered a frontrunner for the new Doctor Who. Is this just crazy speculation or has anyone else heard about this? If anything, it would just lend more credence to the idea that Rumple is getting killed. And btw, I totally got that vibe from the Gideon/Rumple scene by the lake tonight. Rumple said something about how he would do anything for Gideon so Gideon wouldn't have to darken his heart. So a Rumple/Emma showdown in which Emma kills him? I would actually like that.

[InsertWordHere]

I hadn't heard that, but I have my doubts Doctor Who would go from an older Scottish man to another older Scottish man. It's possible, David Tennant's Doctor didn't use his native accent and so an RC Doctor might not either, but it seems unlikely. 

[Rumsy4]

It definitely feels like Emma is being phased out of the Show. 

That's an interesting spec about Robert--but seems like fans wishing for it rather than based on any real info. Will they go for another older Doctor for the next incarnation? Doubt it.

[Shanna Marie]

2 minutes ago, sharky said:

Is this just crazy speculation or has anyone else heard about this?

I've never seen his name mentioned, and I follow a lot of Who-related folks on Twitter (since I'm involved with a Doctor Who convention and am friends with one of the former writers, and had a very interesting evening once with a former Doctor, a former Companion, and all the Daleks).

[Rumsy4]

Hah! Jinx, @InsertWordHere 

[InsertWordHere]

12 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I've never seen his name mentioned, and I follow a lot of Who-related folks on Twitter (since I'm involved with a Doctor Who convention and am friends with one of the former writers, and had a very interesting evening once with a former Doctor, a former Companion, and all the Daleks).

Ooh, don't confirm or deny this, but I'm going to imagine it was Tennant and Tate because I love them. 

I haven't even heard RC's name suggested by DW fans either. 

[sharky]

14 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I've never seen his name mentioned, and I follow a lot of Who-related folks on Twitter (since I'm involved with a Doctor Who convention and am friends with one of the former writers, and had a very interesting evening once with a former Doctor, a former Companion, and all the Daleks).

So since this is highly unlikely speculation, are you the person I have to talk to if I want Colin to be the next doctor if this show gets cancelled? Because Robert is fine, but I want Colin to be that doctor. Anyway...

Still doesn't change the fact that I think Rumple is getting killed off.

[Shanna Marie]

3 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

Ooh, don't confirm or deny this, but I'm going to imagine it was Tennant and Tate because I love them. 

I wish. Alas, two of the less popular ones (and I've seen exactly one story with them in it), though the actors are lovely people.

2 minutes ago, sharky said:

So since this is highly unlikely speculation, are you the person I have to talk to if I want Colin to be the next doctor if this show gets cancelled?

Moffat's a friend of a friend, so I do occasionally see him in threads on friends-locked Facebook posts, but I don't think I have a link to the new showrunner.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Shanna Marie

[sharky]

That wasn't the right answer @Shanna Marie. ;) If this show gets canned, I need my precious Irish soda bread to find somewhere where his character's storylines won't force him to carry the idiot ball like he did tonight.

Seriously, all of my CS hope hangs on that one shot from next week's preview of Hook in the falling snow. All of it!

[Shanna Marie]

Just now, sharky said:

Seriously, all of my CS hope hangs on that one shot from next week's preview of Hook in the falling snow. All of it!

Yeah, I may not watch live and will just DVR so I can FF to that scene. And then I will need to find screencaps.

I've been kind of hoping that he might end up with at least a small part in one of the Star Wars movies. They've done at least some location shooting in Ireland. Or the Fantastic Beasts series -- that 1920s look would be very dashing. Either way, he might get to use his real accent.

But I did get the feeling that the secret will come out next week -- thus the sadness in the falling snow. I'm guessing Evil Queen spills the beans, and since he didn't tell Emma, she'll be mad, and that will set off the epic adventure to redeem himself again some more. When was that supposed to happen?

[Souris]

Adventure is 6x15 plus.

[Kktjones]

14 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I'm guessing Evil Queen spills the beans

I can't believe I didn't think of this - of course that's how it will happen. How in the world does Regina/EQ know that Hook killed Robert? It's just so ridiculous! She would have been a child/young teen at the time. I swear, this show is just going completely off the rails.

[Shanna Marie]

Just now, Kktjones said:

I can't believe I didn't think of this - of course that's how it will happen. How in the world does Regina/EQ know that Hook killed Robert? It's just so ridiculous! She would have been a child/young teen at the time.

I'm basing it on the fact that she was the one who tipped David off in the first place. I don't know how she would know, other than that weird villain omniscience thing they have going on -- the same way she knew about an offhand remark wish Emma made. But she had to have been up to something and knew the truth for her to have bothered tipping off David. And that should also mean Regina knows, unless it's something the Evil Queen discovered after the split. If Regina knew, why did she never at least tell David the part about his father being murdered rather than dying as a useless drunk?

14 minutes ago, Souris said:

Adventure is 6x15 plus.

Then that would fit for the beans being spilled in the next episode, with the cliffhanger at the end maybe being Hook heading out on his ship. Probably for extra drama, that will be the moment that Emma decides not to be mad at him, but he's already taken off and she doesn't get to him in time to tell him it's okay, and she thinks he left her for good. Or maybe thinks he's gone on a suicide mission.

This is one time when I'm very glad to be spoiled because if I didn't already know about the wedding, I'd be worried.

[scenicbyway]

So, I'm thinking at this point, Hook's angst is going to come to nothing again.  Emma's never cared that he had secrets before, heck, she kept the truth about making him a dark one.  I think when she finds out, the most we'll get is a shrug from her.  Charming won't care because he's already had his episode this season...I mean, there's no way Hook could've known he was his future grandfather in law...

[KAOS Agent]

How would the Evil Queen know that Hook killed Robert? Hook didn't even know. That's just stupid, so obviously, that's what they'll go with.

[Shanna Marie]

7 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

How would the Evil Queen know that Hook killed Robert? Hook didn't even know. That's just stupid, so obviously, that's what they'll go with.

How did she even know in the first place that Robert was murdered instead of dying in a drunk carting accident and how did she get the coin (didn't she have the coin? Or was it Rumple?)? If she knew that much, she must know more, as little sense as it makes. It's the same way she knew how Hook felt about killing his father and what set him off in the first place -- how she knew that whole "the kind of man you want to be" bit. Or how she even knew who Hook's father was and how to find him. So, yeah, the Evil Queen will probably tip Emma off just to mess with her, and we'll never learn how she knew.

[KingOfHearts]

Quote

How did she even know in the first place that Robert was murdered instead of dying in a drunk carting accident and how did she get the coin (didn't she have the coin? Or was it Rumple?)?

She traded something (don't ask me what, I don't remember) for the coin from Rumple. Somehow she knew its significance beforehand.

Edited March 20, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[oncebluethrone]

I think that Killian is actually going to be the one to tell Emma because in the shot of her in the promo where she looks devastated, he is standing in front of her.  This will probably lead to her breaking off the engagement and him embarking on his adventure to Agrabah with Jasmine and Ariel early on in 6x15. Then at the end of the episode, we will get the proper proposal. Also, why does everyone think his adventure is going to last pass episode 15? I have found no evidence for it, at all. So if someone could explain this to me, I would greatly appreciate it. 

[InsertWordHere]

Hook said "no other living soul knows this secret but me" so of course EQ knows it. Rumple probably does too. Hyde as well before he was (sobs) tragically killed, because why not? 

[Thundercatmary]

Didn't August give Hook the book that triggered his memory? Is it possible August knows? I'm not sure why but I've always had a feeling August has a thing for Emma and I could see him saying something, or thinking he was testing Hook to see if he would tell Emma, and then telling her himself when he finds out Hook didn't.

[Rumsy4]

39 minutes ago, oncebluethrone said:

Also, why does everyone think his adventure is going to last pass episode 15?

I think Colin was seen filming with Team Princess/Tiger Lily for multiple episodes. If you scroll back in this thread to filming info regarding episodes 15 and forward, you'll find the evidence for it. People aren't just making it up. ;-)

Edited March 20, 2017 by Rumsy4

[PixiePaws1]

Looking at the promo...i am thinking Killian  calls off the engagement because of his guilt. Emma looks devastated rather than angry. 

I  find it hard to believe I could loathe A&E more than I do right now..but sure they'll take me to new  depths before the series ends!

[PixiePaws1]

EQ is holding the Shears of Destiny....what if she uses them.on herself thinking she cuts the tie to Regina and can kill her without harming herself....but something goes wrong???

[Serena]

Well, I'm glad I didn't hallucinate the EW tweet, at least.

[Curio]

Now that the EQ is back in the picture, I can't help but think she's going to glamour herself as Emma when Hook finally confesses, just like the Ariel episode. So "Emma" will lose her shit, kick Hook out of the house, tell him she doesn't love him anymore, which will prompt Hook to go on that adventure with Ariel and Jasmine. Later, real Emma will show up at the end of the episode, find a note from Killian apologizing about the murder, and that's how real Emma finds out.