Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Kktjones]

29 minutes ago, Curio said:

Every other major relationship milestone has been written by other writers.

You forgot they brought us the major milestone (and payoff for an entire season of angst) when Emma told Hook she loved him for the 50th time. It was groundbreaking stuff. 

I'm actually hoping the wedding will take place in 6x21. To me it's the best of both worlds b/c it won't be in the musical, which already looks jam packed, and likely won't be written by A&E. They tend to write the second hour of the finales, not the first. (a small part of me wonders if there will actually be a wedding...)

The musical episode looks to be some type of reflections on the past for each character (Emma looking back at her days in the group home, Snowing/EQ in FTL, Hook as a pirate, Zelena in Oz, etc.).

[Curio]

12 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

You forgot they brought us the major milestone (and payoff for an entire season of angst) when Emma told Hook she loved him for the 50th time. It was groundbreaking stuff. 

If the trend keeps up, Emma might just say I love you to Hook again in the Season 6 finale! What progress!

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I'm actually hoping the wedding will take place in 6x21.

Same. There's a good chance Jane is writing that one, so fingers crossed. 

[KingOfHearts]

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I'm actually hoping the wedding will take place in 6x21. 

Since it's going to be written as part of the series finale, I bet Regina will storm the Captain Swan wedding in EQ garb and offer them a gift like in the Pilot. I would be surprised if that didn't happen.

Regina: "My gift to you is... a brand new toaster!"

Edited March 7, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[maryle]

Curio WOW! I never realized that!!

This is open my eyes about why A and E seen off about cs this year maybe they never really be as on I thought they were. 

[scenicbyway]

I can't figure out why Gideon thinks he gets to be the savior by killing Emma.  Emma was a savior by true love birth not by killing someone.  It's the lightest magic.

I think this half season is stilskin heavy because just as Regina was the enemy of the Charmings, Rumple has been the enemy of Hook and Emma. If their story is veering towards a wedding, it makes sense to also see what's up with Rumple's side.  If Rumple is to be redeemed (or not) it will probably happen at the Swan/Jones wedding.

[Curio]

3 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Since it's going to be written as part of the series finale, I bet Regina will storm the Captain Swan wedding and offer them a gift like in the Pilot. I would be surprised if that didn't happen.

Well, if there's one thing Regina is good at, it's ruining Captain Swan moments. (See: Emma immediately getting chewed out by Regina after making out with Hook, Hook never getting a flashback about how he found the magic bean because 3B needed to be more about developing Regina/Zelena, Emma avoiding Hook in the Season 4 premiere because she felt bad about Regina, Emma holding off on dating Hook because of what Regina did to Graham, Emma ditching a nearly dead Hook to go have shots with Regina in the 4A finale, Emma ditching Hook throughout much of 4B in order to give Regina a happy ending, the Season 4 finale "I love you" being tainted because of Emma having to take the black goop away from Regina, Emma and Killian's reunion cheapened in the Season 5 premiere by having Regina miraculously find Emma's baby blanket and Emma handing her the dagger, Hook disappearing for an entire episode after their Camelot flower kiss just so Emma could watch a rerun of Cora killing Daniel, making 5B more about Regina and the Mills family instead of Emma's quest to save Killian, Emma immediately ditching a newly alive Killian so she could road trip with Regina... I'm sure I'm missing others.)

[KingOfHearts]

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I think this half season is stilskin heavy because just as Regina was the enemy of the Charmings, Rumple has been the enemy of Hook and Emma. If their story is veering towards a wedding, it makes sense to also see what's up with Rumple's side.  If Rumple is to be redeemed (or not) it will probably happen at the Swan/Jones wedding.

I could see Rumple getting the spotlight if he's dying in 6x19. 

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I can't figure out why Gideon thinks he gets to be the savior by killing Emma.  Emma was a savior by true love birth not by killing someone.  It's the lightest magic.

The writers are stealing from BTVS again. If a Slayer dies, another one gets activated. Saviors work like that now, maybe... probably.

I love how even the though the Captain Swan engagement ring wasn't in 6x11, it was still in the promo for it.

Edited March 7, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Writing Wrongs]

18 hours ago, Souris said:

So, how long do we think the CS wedding scene will last? 8 seconds? 10 seconds?

If we're lucky. Sorry, but I don't care about CS at all any more. Together or individually.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Writing Wrongs

[Curio]

7 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

If we're lucky. Sorry, but I don't care about CS at all any more. Together or individually.

Well, neither do the writers apparently, so congrats.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

From the Tougher Than The Rest thread: (About the WishWorld)

17 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

It wasn't a world that had been existing all along and would continue existing. It had only existed for a few minutes before Regina got there (even if Emma had a lifetime of memories -- not that this ever came up), and only existed for maybe a few hours. It probably ceased to exist when Emma was gone.

I wonder what this means for Not!Robin.  We know from spoilers that he doesn't stick around.  How can he go back to a fake world which no longer exists?

[Shanna Marie]

1 minute ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

I wonder what this means for Not!Robin.  We know from spoilers that he doesn't stick around.  How can he go back to a fake world which no longer exists?

And if the world does continue existing, or Robin can exist outside it, then Regina really did murder the Charmings. There's not really a good way out of this.

[Curio]

Maybe Robin slowly disappears and fades into nothingness, much like his Season 5 storyline. 

[RulerofallIsurvey]

4 hours ago, Curio said:

Maybe Robin slowly disappears and fades into nothingness, much like his Season 5 storyline. 

LOL!  Wouldn't that be fitting?

4 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

And if the world does continue existing, or Robin can exist outside it, then Regina really did murder the Charmings. There's not really a good way out of this.

Exactly.  I was also thinking about Not!Rumple saying he'd bet he could still make Regina bleed.  Well, if he was a fictional (fake) character (to use the book and fictional characters analogy that the writers tried to use), I'm not so sure he should have been able to really hurt her.  Unless, once in the fictional world, you are subject to all the laws of that world.  But then that means at that point, the "Real" character is also a fictional character in order to exist in the fake world, right?  Otherwise, the characters are real - at least in that world.  Which is no different, to me, than saying that the Lost Boys are real just because they were from another realm that continued to exist after the Nevengers left.

[CCTC]

It would be interesting if they went dark with FakeRobin and things got a bit dead-zonish or pet cemetery like with the return of a dead character containing into some horror elements.  Although, they did do this with Daniel to some degree, which highlights the foolishness of bringing him back, since they get burned every time they do something like this.  These people are not fast learners.

If only there had been some wish realm Cruella who could have returned with them.  That would have been one return from the dead character I could have gotten behind.

[Souris]

Just now, Souris said:

Casting notice for the finale.

Could this guy look any more like Colin? Makes me think they wanted a Colin type for their new leading man in case he and Jennifer aren't in S7.

[KingOfHearts]

4 minutes ago, Souris said:

Could this guy look any more like Colin? Makes me think they wanted a Colin type for their new leading man in case he and Jennifer aren't in S7.

He really screams adult Henry to me. But, maybe the writers are playing with our expectations entirely and it's the CS Baby.

[Curio]

8 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

He really screams adult Henry to me.

Yeah, I'd say this 99% confirms adult Henry. The hair and eyes match well. And shockingly, I'm kind of impressed by this casting. Andrew was literally one of the only good things about Dead of Summer. Everyone else on that show seemed to take their roles way too seriously, but you could tell he vibed well with A&E's crazy style of storytelling and brought some much-needed levity to the show. If we get a Season 7, it's definitely a good casting call.

[pezgirl7]

Yea, I remember him from The Walking Dead, and although he's super cute, I don't think he really looks like Colin. My guess is that he would be an adult Henry. Although it's really sad that Henry would turn out to be a "friendless, cynical recluse".

[KateJones]

24 minutes ago, Souris said:

Could this guy look any more like Colin? Makes me think they wanted a Colin type for their new leading man in case he and Jennifer aren't in S7.

I was coming here specifically to post this exact comment. Son of Hook. Emma's green eyes. 

[KingOfHearts]

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Yeah, I'd say this 99% confirms adult Henry. The hair and eyes match well. And shockingly, I'm kind of impressed by this casting. Andrew was literally one of the only good things about Dead of Summer. Everyone else on that show seemed to take their roles way too seriously, but you could tell he vibed well with A&E's crazy style of storytelling and brought some much-needed levity to the show. If we get a Season 7, it's definitely a good casting call.

It's a flash sideways, where Henry is a satanist performing rituals at Ingrid and Anna's summer camp.

If the spinoff had a different vibe from OUAT, I would be game. If it's another heavy-handed Lost wannabe, then meh.

Edited March 8, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

I really doubt this guy is a son of CS. My money is on adult Henry.

[Serena]

Yeah, if there's a CS offspring, it's gonna be the girl who fetches him. So they would be siblings - which is good, really, because at least a big brother/little sister dynamic is something they haven't explored yet.

[sharky]

Did anyone read the TV Line story that describes the girl as coming from a broken home? That definitely is not the CS daughter or at least I hope not. Could it be Robin? Not man Robin but Robin, daughter of Robin? The ages don't match up when you take adult Henry into account, but I wonder if they hand wave it by having Zelena take her to Oz for safety or something.

And I'm calling it now. If this is Henry, he lives in Neal's apartment that magically has its rent paid after all these years. 

Edited March 9, 2017 by sharky

[Rumsy4]

That's totally adult Henry. I'm going to find it odd if I find adult Henry attractive. Brrr...

I hope the little girl is not the CS baby. It would be heartbreaking for Emma to lose yet another baby! Snowing get do-over. But Emma has to lose yet another child?? Emma losing Henry yet again would be bad too. But then, A&E do love their parallels more than they respect their characters. So, I wouldn't put it past them.

The girl being young Robyn is a possibility too. Then, she would be Henry's cousin. 

Edited March 9, 2017 by Rumsy4

[Souris]

2 minutes ago, sharky said:

Did anyone read the TV Line story that describes the girl as coming from a broken home? That definitely is not the CS daughter or at least I hope not.

Right, I noted that detail immediately. Obviously something bad has to happen to all of Henry's loved ones for him to end up in that state, cynical and alone. Ergo, no happy write-off for CS, Snowing and crew at the end of this season.

[KingOfHearts]

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That's totally adult Henry. I'm going to find it odd if I find adult Henry attractive. Brrr...

Let's pray and hope adult Henry is better. Maybe the actor will bring something new to the role and make him tolerable.

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Right, I noted that detail immediately. Obviously something bad has to happen to all of Henry's loved ones for him to end up in that state, cynical and alone. Ergo, no happy write-off for CS, Snowing and crew at the end of this season.

It's going to have to be pretty extreme if his Author powers can't fix whatever it is. Maaaaybe he has fake memories too? I do wonder if the Savior dying would affect Storybrooke.

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The girl being young Robyn is a possibility too. Then, she would be Henry's cousin. 

This sounds very possible, since the age works out. I'd actually want this because a CS Baby would be overkill. No more babies, A&E!

Edited March 9, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Curio]

1 minute ago, KingOfHearts said:

It's going to have to be pretty extreme if his Author powers can't fix whatever it is.

 

Henry is such a goody-two-shoes that he probably has the power to correct whatever problem that happens, but because he doesn't want to break any "author code," he refuses to fix the problem by using his magic powers.

[cappoe]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

Right, I noted that detail immediately. Obviously something bad has to happen to all of Henry's loved ones for him to end up in that state, cynical and alone. Ergo, no happy write-off for CS, Snowing and crew at the end of this season.

That's why you have to hope that this is the last season so Adam and Eddy can't do this ending. They have to do a better one, a more HOPEFUL one.

If I was to place money I would say we're looking at a Going Home scenario except instead of it being Emma and Henry it's just Henry. Emma has to go back with everyone else to the EF.

[Rumsy4]

5 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

CS Wedding confirmed for 6.20 (X).

At this point, I am resigned to the zero-build up CS Wedding. As long as they're left alone by A&E, and their happiness is not destroyed in the Finale. 

[cappoe]

1 minute ago, Rumsy4 said:

At this point, I am resigned to the zero-build up CS Wedding. As long as they're left alone by A&E, and their happiness is not destroyed in the Finale. 

I'm sure there will be build up in previous episodes and who knows. Maybe the wedding is the main plot of the musical episode. We have no idea until we see a PR.

[sharky]

I don't know how I feel about this. CS wedding in a stint episode could go real bad or real good. At the very least they had to use music writers for this episode so maybe fresh blood will make it better. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Souris said:

Right, I noted that detail immediately. Obviously something bad has to happen to all of Henry's loved ones for him to end up in that state, cynical and alone. Ergo, no happy write-off for CS, Snowing and crew at the end of this season.

I'm still leaning towards a happy ending then a X years later time jump.  At that point I will turn it off.

I will expect everyone to then spoiler tag that part in the episode thread:P

We will then have to create some sort of safe word so I know whether its safe to watch or not.

[KateJones]

How do we know that's actually true? Katmtan is a set stalker but they're in studio today. 

[scenicbyway]

I'm not excited about a musical wedding.  It seems super cheesy for Emma to have a musical wedding.  So 6.21 will be a flash forward with Hook and Emma broken up but they had a daughter before they did?  Let me guess, another evil curse, another memory curse.  No thanks.  It's sad to watch knowing that they'll immediately be torn apart.

[cappoe]

2 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

I'm not excited about a musical wedding.  It seems super cheesy for Emma to have a musical wedding.  So 6.21 will be a flash forward with Hook and Emma broken up but they had a daughter before they did?  Let me guess, another evil curse, another memory curse.  No thanks.  It's sad to watch knowing that they'll immediately be torn apart.

I don't think 6x21 is the FF. I think the guy is only going to be in one scene at the very end of the finale.

[Curio]

Wait, how does the tumblr person know the wedding is in 6x20? What's the proof? If she just saw a wedding dress getting hauled around set, that could mean a lot of different things. Emma and Snow could be dress shopping. Unless she actually saw a ceremony being filmed, I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Also, another theory about the 10-year-old girl is that she's Henry's daughter. If Henry and Violet went off to college and had a kid early, and then Violet died tragically, that would be a "broken home" and cause Henry to be cynical. I highly doubt it, but it's something that hasn't been thrown out into the universe yet.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Curio said:

Wait, how does the tumblr person know the wedding is in 6x20? What's the proof? If she just saw a wedding dress getting hauled around set, that could mean a lot of different things. Emma and Snow could be dress shopping. Unless she actually saw a ceremony being filmed, I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Also, another theory about the 10-year-old girl is that she's Henry's daughter. If Henry and Violet went off to college and had a kid early, and then Violet died tragically, that would be a "broken home" and cause Henry to be cynical. I highly doubt it, but it's something that hasn't been thrown out into the universe yet.

Depending on whether a dead parent could be twisted into a broken home it could be Zelena's daughter.

I hope the musical episode doesn't include the wedding.  I can't see that becoming anything other than a giant Mama Mia spoof.

[Scovies]

5 minutes ago, Curio said:

Wait, how does the tumblr person know the wedding is in 6x20? What's the proof? If she just saw a wedding dress getting hauled around set, that could mean a lot of different things. Emma and Snow could be dress shopping. Unless she actually saw a ceremony being filmed, I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

As far as I know, Kat's never been wrong. She's actually really careful about posting spoilers and won't put anything out there unless she's 100% positive about it. She's on set a lot and I presume she knows/is friends with someone who works on the show. If she says the wedding is in 6x20, you can pretty much take it as gospel.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Scovies

[PixiePaws1]

When we saw the filming at town hall i thought they were either getting a license or having a civil ceremony wedding because that would be very Emma.

Now i don't know what to think..magical wedding gift that makes people sing? Aftermath of the hen's/buck's night???

[Guest]

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On ‎2‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 6:07 PM, Curio said:

INT: GROUP HOME BEDROOM*
INT: EMMA'S HOUSE
EXT: CHARMING'S CASTLE BALCONY - FTL*
INT: CHARMING'S BEDROOM*
EXT: EMMA'S HOUSE
INT: EVIL QUEEN'S LAIR*
INT: EQ'S LAIR/HALL OF MIRRORS*
INT: DRAWF MINES*
INT: HOVEL (GRANNY'S)*
INT: PINOCCHIO'S SHOP*
INT: MARY MARGARET'S LOFT
INT: JOLLY ROGER CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS
EXT: MAIN STREET - STORYBROOKE
EXT: JOLLY ROGER/DOCKS*
INT: GOLD'S SHOP
INT: EQ'S DUNGEON - FTL
INT: ZELENA'S (WIZARD'S) CHAMBER - OZ*
INT: REGINA'S VAULT
INT: MAYOR'S OFFICE*
EXT: GRANNY'S/MAIN STREET*

 

How do you fit a wedding into this?  I just can't see it.

[PixiePaws1]

All i can think if is CS' front yard...certainly not the shed!

Or the Mayor's office....for a 30sec rush wedding at the very end....

Edited March 9, 2017 by PixiePaws1

[Mathius]

The exterior of Granny's and Main Street sounds at the end there sounds probable. 

Hey, it's better than by the well in the woods like Rumple and Belle's wedding!

Edited March 9, 2017 by Mathius

[Guest]

I'm going with Emma's house for the wedding.

Then EQ casts a spell out of spite.

This means that all the Jolly Roger stuff is the honeymoon/wedding night and the singing spell is going to ruin it.

[Mathius]

10 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

Then EQ casts a spell out of spite.

The EQ is only in the flashback, though.  The split EQ, if that's who you're thinking of, leaves the show alongside alt-Robin in 6x14.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Mathius

[cappoe]

Captains Quarters is wedding night. Fingers crossed

[scenicbyway]

Honestly, I think they'd get married on the Jolly.  Maybe on the deck, docks or Captain's Quarters.  Granny's to me sounds like a reception.  We're not getting a wedding night folks.

[KingOfHearts]

5 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

Honestly, I think they'd get married on the Jolly.  Maybe on the deck, docks or Captain's Quarters.  Granny's to me sounds like a reception.  We're not getting a wedding night folks.

I think they'll get married on the Jolly Roger as well to mimic the ending to Little Mermaid.

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If she says the wedding is in 6x20, you can pretty much take it as gospel.

I imagine the meeting went like this:

A&E: "And in the finale of the season, we'll have Emma tell Hook she trusts him. We know that sounds like a huge milestone, but we're confident Regina will be able to handle it. After that, we'll have the Moana cliffhanger for S7 and-"

Network Executive: "You're not getting another season."

A&E (stunned): "Wait? What? How are we going to give Regina her happy ending?!"

Network Executive: "Our research says viewers want Emma and Killian to get married. There better be a wedding."

A&E: "Well, I'm sure we can squeeze it in between Regina adopting Zelena's kid and Regina becoming the new Savior."
 

Edited March 9, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

Don't forget, the Jolly Roger/docks is the big pirate song with all the pirate extras.

[Katherine]

I don't know how to feel about the wedding happening in the musical episode. On one hand, I'm just happy it's happening at all. And I'm glad it's in a big episode that's getting lots of promotion. On the other hand, the fact that it's happening in 6.20 makes me scared that the finale will be light on Captain Swan and more likely to focus on other relationships, like the one between Emma and Regina. I shouldn't be surprised by this, but part of me really believed the final season would culminate in an Emma and Hook wedding in the finale. 

Then again, maybe there will still be plenty of focus on CS in the finale. The writers can't make them get married in one episode, only to have them barely interact in the next...can they? Don't answer that. 

I, like most fans it seems, am really disappointed with how this season has gone, especially if it turns out to be the final one (or at least the final one with all of our regular characters). CS is my favorite couple on TV. It's because of them that I've followed spoilers religiously for the past 4 seasons. But now when it comes to what should have been the most exciting spoilers ever (the proposal and wedding), I'm not nearly as pumped up as I would've been before. Like others have said, there's been no build-up whatsoever so the engagement just doesn't feel earned :(

All that being said, despite the many mistakes Adam and Eddy have made, I can't see them letting this show finish with anything other than a happy ending. If they get word that this is in fact the final season, I can't imagine that they'll actually go through with a flash forward to CS being separated and Emma having lost the chance to raise another child. I know, I'm probably in the minority on this one. Adam and Eddy have let fans down one too many times. But when it comes to the final farewell for this show, I'm going to try to have hope :)

Edited March 9, 2017 by Katherine

[Curio]

You know how we've been saying "as long as this finale isn't as bad as How I Met Your Mother's finale..."? Yeah, A&E are totally going to have Emma and Hook get divorced eventually. Thus, the broken home and lack of a focus in the potential series finale.