Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Rumsy4]

Of course I'll be happy with any scenes between Emma and her father, even if the offer to cook for her doesn't proceed beyond that stage. Hopefully this is David making an effort to be there for his kids like he promised Snowy Margaret.

[maryle]

Definitely in I am happy about Emma and her father interaction but but it is still possible to have a good Snow and Emma scene before she dies by Savior fate?

[Mitch]

On 10/12/2016 at 7:44 PM, KingOfHearts said:

Well, the question said, "Dark Curse", so I assumed A&E meant any curse. But I guess they could have misinterpreted it.

Yes, but isn't the Dark Curse..curse number 1? The other two curses (which should have been something else entirely....the pilot and S1 intimated that you need not only the heart of the one you love the most but do it out of anger and high emotions...not just because you want a trip through a realm..) The other two curses were really Curse Lite...(did they ever explain how magic came with both those curses but not the Big Dark Curse??? No of course not...)

[Watt]

I don't care why August is back but I always approve of the man candy on this show.

[maryle]

Thinking about the title of episode 10 and I think we have to consider that it is probably link to the Aladdin storyline.
There’s just so many wish and  in Aladdin too be a mere coincidence. 

Now we know that the hooded figure will be reveal in the episode.
So, I think the evil Queen use a wish from a genie to make come back Robin and use the serum to have the darker version of him as a weapon against Emma. To remove her from the chess game.

So, she order this evil Robin to fight Emma and killed Emma for her. 
This is conform with the idea that the EQ is the Jaffar to Emma and will wreck a lot of relationship between team hero like the EQ told she plans to do.

I know a crazy theory but I find that funny and campy as Hell!

[RadioGirl27]

Yeah, I think Regina is going to use Aladdin's lamp to bring Robin back and that is going to also bring Jafar back. The cliffhanger before the holidays would be Jafar arriving in Storybrooke.

I don't think Robin is under the hood (LOL!) because I think the EQ would be already gone when Jafar arrives. The EQ, Rumple and Jafar at the same time is way too much, even for this show. Yeah, I know right now is the EQ, Rumple and Hyde, but Hyde is not as popular as Jafar (and I'm pretty sure Jekyll and Hyde would be gone after this week).

Actually, if the Robin that cames back is not the real Robin (because suddenly the rules of magic apply) but some creation of Jafar, maybe he is the one under the hood. But he is controled by Jafar and not by the EQ.

Edited October 15, 2016 by RadioGirl27

[KingOfHearts]

So, Regina gets a postcard from Robin in Olympus that says "Wish You Were Here"?

I think the status quo will change for either EQ or Hyde. Either EQ will get reabsorbed (I hope not), Hyde will be redeemed, or something will happen to change EQ's plan of action. Robin might have to do with it if it involves EQ. I don't think the writers will totally drop a villain just to bring Jafar in.

Edited October 15, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

If Lana was still unaware of what the Evil Queen's ultimate goal is when she was interviewed last week, I don't see the Evil Queen being gone or reabsorbed by the end of episode 10. She would have already had the script and the story would have already gotten to a point where she wouldn't have responded the way she did. That's the type of question where she could just be vague or tell us we'll have to wait and see rather than discuss how she herself is still trying to discover what it is because she doesn't know.

But I definitely think Robin gets wished back via genie. Since you can't bring back the dead with a genie wish maybe another character is transformed into him. Or Robin is a  vision only Regina can see.

[KingOfHearts]

You can bring back the dead with a genie wish if you have three genie lamps. (According to OUATIW.) It allows you to break all the laws of magic. Jafar resurrected an entire army to do his bidding. Maybe that's a tie-in?

Edited October 16, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

I'm sure it will be something with dangerous repercussions to the others because just wishing and bringing him back is too basic. My biggest worry with this whole thing is that they will ignore the fact that Robin has a beautiful little boy who loved his daddy and Roland will be completely forgotten. I'd bet Pistachio won't be an important person for Robin to see either.

[YaddaYadda]

The thing with Robin is that we don't even know if he's going to be a Daniel sort of zombie/person or if he's going to be normal. If a wish is made using the magic lamp, there's no telling how wrong this thing is going to go. Wishes never go right when genies are involved and as far as wishing Robin back to life goes, it is actually selfish.

They spent a whole season doing this with Emma and Hook. The second she finally let him go is when she actually got him back. Tethering his life to Excalibur did a lot of damage. I can't imagine wishing Robin back won't mess things up.

If he is brought back that way, then someone else is going to die.

[Shanna Marie]

Things would go horribly wrong with Robin coming back if it involved some other character. I worry that the Regina Exception Clause will kick in, and this is going to be a lot like the "oops, turns out Marian was Zelena all along" thing, where they try to make Regina suffer but then cave. These writers are basically ineffectual parents of a toddler, so they may start out with "No, you can't have that," but at the first sign of tears they give her everything she wants, with no real cost. I think Zelena being pregnant was meant to be a cost for the Marian thing, but then it turned out that Regina got a sister out of the deal. So there may be some perceived cost at first to bringing Robin back, but it will turn out to be a bonus in the long run. It doesn't look like he'll be a regular, but there may be some way he can be kind of around.

[PixiePaws1]

44 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

The thbin is that we don't even know  he's going to be a Daniel sort of zombie/person or if he's going to be normal. If a wish is made using the magic lamp, there's no telling how wrong this thing is going to go. Wishes never go right when genies are involved and as far as wishing Robin back to life goes, it is actually selfish.

They spent a whole season doing this with Emma and Hook. The second she finally let him go is when she actually got him back. Tethering his life to Excalibur did a lot of damage. I can't imagine wishing Robin back won't mess things up.

If he is brought back that way, then someone else is going to die.

...if Regina wished him back to life and he literally came back from the grave like  the monkey's paw story...yeah, that would be all sorts of nasty....

[KingOfHearts]

A zombie would probably be livelier than Sean's Robin ever was...

Edited October 16, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[RadioGirl27]

Whatever happens, Regina is not going to pay the price, Emma would (or Hook, Snow or Charming, maybe even all four).

[KAOS Agent]

I was thinking more along the lines of the Evil Queen makes the wish, and if anything happens to her, the wish (and Robin) are gone forever. Of course, that should just lead to Regina reabsorbing her dark self, but that solution would make too much sense, so much angst ensues.

[maryle]

I am surprise some assume that the EQ split will be over by the winter break I always thought the tree big storyline for the overall season will this one, the Saviors destiny and what ever going with Rumple.

But, I will be please if the EQ is reabsorbed so soon. I cannot take this plot seriously and too repetitive of the happy ending by author thing

I am ok with Robin back in some capacitybut If he is coming back as a normal man and everything is back like it used too be for him after tree episode. Nobody will ever taking any dead seriously. Not, that there really stake anymore but still... And , honestly they do still have a big cast and they really struggle to write for them 

[legaleagle53]

On 10/15/2016 at 0:29 AM, maryle said:

Thinking about the title of episode 10 and I think we have to consider that it is probably link to the Aladdin storyline.
There’s just so many wish and  in Aladdin too be a mere coincidence. 

Now we know that the hooded figure will be reveal in the episode.
So, I think the evil Queen use a wish from a genie to make come back Robin and use the serum to have the darker version of him as a weapon against Emma. To remove her from the chess game.

So, she order this evil Robin to fight Emma and killed Emma for her. 
This is conform with the idea that the EQ is the Jaffar to Emma and will wreck a lot of relationship between team hero like the EQ told she plans to do.

I know a crazy theory but I find that funny and campy as Hell!

The problem with that is that the Third Law of Magic states that magic cannot be used to bring back the dead.  That rule was broken only once on OUATIW (Anastasia was brought back to life after Jafar murdered her), and it was undone once the Laws of Magic were reset after Jafar was defeated.

Of course, it's far from clear whether OUATIW is even considered canon nowadays (the two idiot showrunners keep dodging the question every time someone brings Will Scarlett and Anastasia up), so who knows?

Edited October 16, 2016 by legaleagle53

[KingOfHearts]

Well, the fact we're getting Lydgate tonight seems to suggest OUATIW is canon. I can tell from interviews that A&E are indeed attempting to keep the continuity between the two shows. Breaking laws of magic has been done so many times that I don't think it would be any issue. 

[Free]

7 hours ago, maryle said:

I am surprise some assume that the EQ split will be over by the winter break I always thought the tree big storyline for the overall season will this one, the Saviors destiny and what ever going with Rumple.

But, I will be please if the EQ is reabsorbed so soon. I cannot take this plot seriously and too repetitive of the happy ending by author thing

I am ok with Robin back in some capacitybut If he is coming back as a normal man and everything is back like it used too be for him after tree episode. Nobody will ever taking any dead seriously. Not, that there really stake anymore but still... And , honestly they do still have a big cast and they really struggle to write for them 

Death is really a joke, especially if you're not an expendable secondary character who's got little to nothing to do, otherwise the major characters are obviously safe.  Otherwise, it's only a matter of time like when Rumple got back in S3 or spending an entire arc saving Hook from the UW or Emma 'dying' now.

People are assuming it'll be over by Winter break is because there's barely much going on and that point it'll just drag things on even further and the writers were already struggling to fill out half a season with their split arcs.

[Tiger]

It's difficult to presume anything about a midseason cliffhanger because every indication is that the show wont be following the usual season split.  

I wouldnt be surprised if they ran deeper into Dec than usual, did at least two new each in Jan & Feb, and wrapped up the season in early to mid Apr.  Given what a disaster Sunday is for ABC, I think theyll want to get that gameshow trio back for May sweeps.  

[Rumsy4]

I just don't see how the EQ/Regina split is going to last through the rest of the season, despite what Adam said. Maybe he just meant the ramifications will carry through the whole season. And the Aladdin storyline is just for a few episodes I imagine from what Karen David tweeted. It's hard to predict the structure of the season as a whole. Will we be dealing with the LoUS through the season?

[Mathius]

40 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

And the Aladdin storyline is just for a few episodes I imagine from what Karen David tweeted.

What did she tweet?

We know the Aladdin story goes on in 6x05, 6x08, and 6x10 (I hear Karen tweeted that she's flying back to Vancouver now to film).  Will it go longer than that?  Or will 6x10 be the end of it and the rest of the season be all about the Evil Queen?  I would hope that the reverse is actually true.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Mathius

[Rumsy4]

Actually, she says her part is recurring. So, I guess she herself isn't sure, or she's just not revealing spoilery information.

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, Mathius said:

What did she tweet?

We know the Aladdin story goes on in 6x05, 6x08, and 6x10 (I hear Karen tweeted that she's flying back to Vancouver now to film).  Will it go longer than that?  Or will 6x10 be the end of it and the rest of the season be all about the Evil Queen?  I would hope that the reverse is actually true.

It sounds like it might go longer than that, especially with the whole story Jasmine told Snow about her kingdom.

[Rumsy4]

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the Evil Queen tricks Hook and the Charmings and forces Emma to reveal her secret in an effort to divide the family.

Well...we all knew this was how it was going to happen...

[Mathius]

Whoops, the press release accidentally put last episode's guest list below this one's. XD

And I'm wondering if the Sultan is Jafar's father, recast like him, or just Jasmine's father than Jafar has put up as a puppet ruler?

[RadioGirl27]

Is just me or that presa release is terribly written, even more than usual? 

And of course the EQ would force Emma to reveal her secret. 

[Shanna Marie]

5 minutes ago, Mathius said:

And I'm wondering if the Sultan is Jafar's father, recast like him, or just Jasmine's father than Jafar has put up as a puppet ruler?

I'm guessing it's a later sultan, one Jafar's controlling. But then I suspect we need to more or less throw out events from Wonderland.

It would be a lovely twist if Emma revealing the secret didn't cause any angst or conflict, if instead they just rallied around her and supported her and that frustrated and annoyed the Mildly Evil Queen.

Next week's the Nemo one that's a Hook-centric, right? So probably the one where we find out that Hook is to blame for David's father's death, which means there will be probably one scene of Hook and David bonding in this next episode. Otherwise, I'm not really seeing the "bromance" Colin and Josh were talking about in the ComicCon interviews that would be torn apart by a secret coming out. All they've done so far is arrest Hyde together. Then we had David griping about Emma and Hook yet again. Not really a bromance that's going to be torn up when a horrible truth about Hook's past comes out.

[mjgchick]

Of course Emma is forced to reveal her secret as if we didn't just seen that last season. Same shit different year for these writers. 

[YaddaYadda]

Is it me or are Emma and Henry spending a lot more time together than usual?

ETA - Please don't let this be like 5x05 last year with songs about how to get a girl. I'm having a horrible flashback.

Edited October 17, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Spartan Girl]

Jasmine's wardrobe looks gorgeous. And while my expectations are very significantly lowered for the Aladdin story, I do like that they seemed to keep her as badass as she was in the movies and TV series.

[Tiger]

14 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Jasmine's wardrobe looks gorgeous. And while my expectations are very significantly lowered for the Aladdin story, I do like that they seemed to keep her as badass as she was in the movies and TV series.

Karen David's Jasmine was fucking awesome, which means A&E will ruin her before long.

And Disney movie Jasmine was the original badass bitch.  That girl from Frozen that everyone is crazy over aint got nothing on Jasmine.  

[Mrs. de Winter]

I assume that photo with Regina is to confirm that the Evil Queen part is the one that knows that short skirts are a bad choice for spelunking? 

33 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Is it me or are Emma and Henry spending a lot more time together than usual?

Nope, not just you.  I worry they had them sharing time together just so he can be a brat to her and accuse her of betraying him. 

[scenicbyway]

Why would Emma's secret about dying divide the family?  Wouldn't that rally them around her?  They are all about happy endings!

[tri4335]

1 hour ago, scenicbyway said:

Why would Emma's secret about dying divide the family?  Wouldn't that rally them around her?  They are all about happy endings!

The only way I can see that happening is that Snow and Henry are okay with her dying to protect Regina and Hook and David saying that Emma should be saved over Regina but I don't know if they would really go there.

[RadioGirl27]

Some people think that the EQ is going to disguise herself as Emma to trick Hook and that is her and not Emma the one at the docks in the kiss scene they filmed. I hope not (because you know, consent) but It is a strong possibility. 

Edited October 18, 2016 by RadioGirl27

[Souris]

I don't think it's a strong possibility. I think it's a crack theory. I think EQ disguises herself as Regina and that's how she tricks them.

And how does the EQ know Emma's secret? Looking at you, Archie.

[InsertWordHere]

Or the EQ could disguise herself as Hook and kiss Emma. 

(why did I put that out into the universe?)

[OnceUponAJen]

With all the glamour-spelling that goes on in this 'verse, you'd think they would have thought up secret passwords by now.

[Rumsy4]

4 hours ago, InsertWordHere said:

Or the EQ could disguise herself as Hook and kiss Emma. 

(why did I put that out into the universe?)

Smh 

Edited October 18, 2016 by Rumsy4

[Rumsy4]

4 hours ago, Souris said:

I think EQ disguises herself as Regina and that's how she tricks them.

Ooh good theory. Archie is a blab, but in this case. maybe EQ! magically coerces him using his heart. Emma going to Archie for therapy is probably common knowledge now that Leroy knows. :-p

[YaddaYadda]

5 hours ago, Souris said:

I don't think it's a strong possibility. I think it's a crack theory. I think EQ disguises herself as Regina and that's how she tricks them.

And how does the EQ know Emma's secret? Looking at you, Archie.

Definitely think the EQ is going to be pulling some glamour spell. But I wonder if she won't actually disguise herself as Archie to verify the information Hyde might have given her or mess with Emma’s head. 

Hyde probably told her about Emma since he was one of 3 people to know about it.

[Watt]

Side note. I think it would be damn hilarious if they brought back the original Robin and Regina was like "....."

I think they had a reason for the change now I look back but I'm not sure what it was. Oh well. Still think it'd be funny.

[Mathius]

I'm just glad that the stupid "Emma keeping a secret" thing is going to be finally done with and we can move on.

[Souris]

7 hours ago, InsertWordHere said:

Or the EQ could disguise herself as Hook and kiss Emma. 

(why did I put that out into the universe?)

You go stand in the corner!

[Shanna Marie]

13 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

Why would Emma's secret about dying divide the family?  Wouldn't that rally them around her?  They are all about happy endings!

On this show, keeping a secret and not asking for help is not quite as bad as telling someone else's secret, but still worse than rape, murder, and abuse.

[Free]

18 hours ago, mjgchick said:

Of course Emma is forced to reveal her secret as if we didn't just seen that last season. Same shit different year for these writers. 

 

15 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

Why would Emma's secret about dying divide the family?  Wouldn't that rally them around her?  They are all about happy endings!

Basically to rehash the same contrived drama.

[Tiger]

6 hours ago, Watt said:

Side note. I think it would be damn hilarious if they brought back the original Robin and Regina was like "....."

I think they had a reason for the change now I look back but I'm not sure what it was. Oh well. Still think it'd be funny.

The original Robin is the lead on Lucifer.  I dont think that show was on yet when they brought Robin back and made himba regular, but the actor was unavailable because of another project.  

[maryle]

All the spoiler look good. Its remember the cave confession in season 3 and I loved that scene. I most admit I really looking forward this episode and the next. 

I really like Aladdin and Jasmine probably the only guest pairing I will kind of ship. If Jasmine do not end up the big bad.

Mini rant.

Because of my interest for it. I was looking for spoiler and saw some people beginning to say that Emma(cause Aladdin link) will be too focus on forward  and Snowing and Regina is in risk to be sideline.

Seriously everytime the focus move towards Emma I saw this kind of post.