Amerilla January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Exactly, retrograde. The hints about the BI exclude Emma and Regina from the pregnancy pool (hallelujah!), but not necessarily Belle or Snow. (Not that I think there would be a Do Over II, but from her interviews, it's clear Ginny is in love with motherhood - far more than acting - and they're already thinking about a sibling or two for little Oliver. In any case, I don't see her staying with the show once her contract is up.) Apparently, Ursula and Cruella already have a ship name: Spotted Octopus. Sounds like a dish in a Korean restaurant I haven't heard anything about Socha recently. Link to comment
retrograde January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Exactly, retrograde. The hints about the BI exclude Emma and Regina from the pregnancy pool (hallelujah!), but not necessarily Belle or Snow. Well they don't, really. Just because Ausiello wasn't writing specifically about them, doesn't mean any character who matches on any show his vague description can't also be pregnant -- it just means it wasn't who he was writing about in that item. Nevertheless, I think it is highly unlikely they would make Regina or Emma pregnant this season. Link to comment
YaddaYadda January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) Back to spoilers, has Socha being spotted shooting? I think he might've done something with Emilie, that's the only thing I've seen related to him. I'd like this show to explain to me why they even brought him on and made him a series regular if they weren't going to use him or barely use him. I didn't watch Wonderland (1st episode and never went back because Alice was too whiny for my taste), so I don't care about the character but clearly they want to do something regarding Wonderland which again, can't bring myself to care about. Didn't they give everyone their happy ending? Why ruin it for those who watched the show and enjoyed it? Also, that cabin in the woods. It does make sense that Robin wouldn't have his family living in the city. The woods, they know. The city? Not so much. But man, Robin...I don't even know where to start with this character. Well they don't, really. Just because Ausiello wasn't writing specifically about them, doesn't mean any character who matches on any show his vague description can't also be pregnant -- it just means it wasn't who he was writing about in that item. It's probably one of those things where he got the information (it's the Mindy Project, I think isn't it?) and then decided to do the BI without knowing anything about the other shows. There's no way in hell Shonda would spoil Olivia on Scandal being pregnant (if it were to happen) because from my binge watching of the show (don't judge, I was sick and bored) it would be too big to spoil in a BI anyway. Edited January 14, 2015 by YaddaYadda Link to comment
retrograde January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) It's probably one of those things where he got the information (it's the Mindy Project, I think isn't it?) and then decided to do the BI without knowing anything about the other shows. Even if he did know about other pregnancy storylines on other shows, I don't think they would have figured into what he wrote. If I tell you "I know a secret about one of your birthday presents" and then later reveal "Your brother is buying you a book" that doesn't mean I don't know other secrets about other presents you're getting, just those are not the secrets I had in mind. There's no way in hell Shonda would spoil Olivia on Scandal being pregnant (if it were to happen) because from my binge watching of the show (don't judge, I was sick and bored) it would be too big to spoil in a BI anyway. Ausiello and TVLine rely on staying on friendly terms with networks and TV show casts and crews to get their scoops and interviews. It would be my guess that he and the other writers often know a lot of details about upcoming storylines on many that they don't share either because the shows don't want them to, or they have only been told off the record. ETA: Apparently the cabin from yesterday was the same one used for Gold's cabin in season 1. Also, as no one actually saw Sean shooting in the cabin itself, it is possible they were doing forest scenes with him and separate scenes with the trio at the cabin. I guess it would make sense for them to be staying there -- it would explain why Emma is following their cat (ETA: CAR, sorry) through the forest in 4.12 and also possibly why that episode is called "Darkness on the Edge of Town" (though that also probably refers to whatever magic they have to do to get beyond the town line). Edited January 14, 2015 by retrograde Link to comment
kili January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 ETA: Apparently the cabin from yesterday was the same one used for Gold's cabin in season 1. Looks like they've screened in the porch to make it look like a different cabin. Link to comment
retrograde January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) Or the owners put up that screen to protect it when it's not in use -- this photo was taken after filming had wrapped. But yes, they may be using it as a different cabin. Edited January 14, 2015 by retrograde Link to comment
Curio January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 it would explain why Emma is following their cat through the forest in 4.12 and also possibly why that episode is called "Darkness on the Edge of Town" Wait, did I totally miss this spoiler? When did we learn Emma follows a cat through the woods? Link to comment
Selina K January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 It would explain why Emma is following their cat through the forest in 4.12 and also possibly why that episode is called "Darkness on the Edge of Town" Where is this from? Was this from a recent report? Link to comment
Amerilla January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) It would explain why Emma is following their cat through the forest in 4.12 and also possibly why that episode is called "Darkness on the Edge of Town" There's got to be a Springsteen fan on staff. Some folks are born into a good life, Other folks get it anyway, anyhow, I lost my money and I lost my wife, Them things don't seem to matter much to me now. Tonight I'll be on that hill 'cause I can't stop, I'll be on that hill with everything I got, Lives on the line where dreams are found and lost, I'll be there on time and I'll pay the cost, For wanting things that can only be found In the darkness on the edge of town. Edited January 14, 2015 by Amerilla Link to comment
Delphi January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) That would be Adam. He also referenced Springsteen in Welcome to Storybrooke. http://abc.go.com/shows/once-upon-a-time/news/storybrooke-secrets/secrets-episode-217-welcome-to-storybrooke Edited January 14, 2015 by Delphi 1 Link to comment
kili January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Or the owners put up that screen to protect it when it's not in use -- this photo was taken after filming had wrapped. I don't think so. All the pictures of that cabin seem to be without screens. What would the screens protect the cabin from? Bugs aren't really a big issue. Here are some other movies/shows that used that cabin. Link to comment
ShadowFacts January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 I'd like this show to explain to me why they even brought him on and made him a series regular if they weren't going to use him or barely use him. I didn't watch Wonderland (1st episode and never went back because Alice was too whiny for my taste), so I don't care about the character but clearly they want to do something regarding Wonderland which again, can't bring myself to care about. Didn't they give everyone their happy ending? Why ruin it for those who watched the show and enjoyed it? Happy endings in Wonderland, yes. But then, what is an ending, except a new beginning. Trouble must have come calling for young Will. Or at least adventure. Too bad they are dragging it out and woefully underusing him. Link to comment
retrograde January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) Aha, sorry typo - car through the woods. And looking back, it was 4.13. Edited January 14, 2015 by retrograde Link to comment
YaddaYadda January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Does the song really have anything to do with the episode though? I mean last year we had New York Serenade and I don't think there was anything there. I'm sort of equating the the title to that image of Cruella's car when the beams come on and it seems like it's right outside of the town line. I'm also not that deep when it comes to music and lyrics... Link to comment
legaleagle53 January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Not really. The original blind item was that "an established program....is planning to impregnate its leading lady (the character, not the actress!) early in the new year — and it’s safe to say no one will see the baby twist coming." And the pregnancy is to an unmarried woman. So, as I read it, it's not excluding every female character on every ABC show, just the ones that fit that description - unmarried, leading lady, shocking twist. On ANY ABC show. Those were his exact words. "Any" and "not every" are two entirely different concepts. Link to comment
Serena January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Imagine if they ended 4B with a pregnancy test showing the positive sign sitting on the bathroom counter and a hand picking it up. See ya next year suckers because now you will be left guessing and talking about it. Genius. I believe Gossip Girl had the same season-ending cliffhanger once! This show would totally do it. And yeah, that BI is Mindy. I honestly don't see any reason for the show to have another baby - it's not like the Baby DO storyline was wildly successful with viewers. If Ginny gets pregnant again, they can disguise it for most of the pregnancy by saying Snow hasn't lost the Baby DO weight yet - it's been less than 2 months since she gave birth in show. Link to comment
retrograde January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 I don't think so. All the pictures of that cabin seem to be without screens. What would the screens protect the cabin from? Bugs aren't really a big issue. Here are some other movies/shows that used that cabin. Well, if you were making good bank renting out that cabin for film shoots, you might want to protect it from the elements. If the screen is removable, you would simply take it down for shoots, hence why it isn't in any shots. But yes, it could also have been an addition that Once made and hadn't removed yet. Link to comment
Delphi January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Meh, I seriously doubt the title is that important other then the fact that Adam likes Springsteen and wants to see how many titles he can use. Terminator the Sarah Connor chronicles did the same thing. Link to comment
Mari January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Genius. I believe Gossip Girl had the same season-ending cliffhanger once! This show would totally do it. I honestly don't see any reason for the show to have another baby - it's not like the Baby DO storyline was wildly successful with viewers. I'm not expecting a new show baby right now, but A&E haven't exactly shown they have a firm grasp on what the audience wants. I can see them thinking that a baby is just what they need to satisfy the Rumple/Belle shippers or that of course people would like to see how awesome Regina is with the new baby she and Robin are having, because she's totally earned that happy ending by not killing anyone in the immediate past. It would satisfy their need for shocking twists, and they might not even understand why lots of us were side-eying them. Link to comment
KingOfHearts January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) Apparently Sean was shooting at this cabin today. Maybe the Hoods didn't get very far so they found a cabin to stay in? It seems like a place Robin would live in. I hope we get at least one "catching up" scene to see how they've been doing after six weeks. Diner waitress: "Hey! That's funny. All this money was printed in 1983." Edited January 14, 2015 by KingOfHearts Link to comment
kili January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) Well, if you were making good bank renting out that cabin for film shoots, you might want to protect it from the elements. Okay, I have to ask, how does one protect anything with a screen? The wind and the rain just goes right through the screens. Windows or shutters, I could see, but what do screens add? Is this a regional thing? I've never seen a screened in porch except on television (I assumed it was in regions that had bugs). Is there another reason they do it? If they want my advice, they need to forget the screens and get some zinc strips on the roof because the amount of moss that has accumulated since it was Gold's cabin is not good for a shake roof. In real life, it is the Caretaker's Cottage for Murdo Frazer Park and is owned by the District of North Vancouver. It's also on their list of heritage buildings so they aren't allowed to permantenly modify the exterior of the building. Fun fact: It was originally owned by Victor Golden. Golden's cottage became Gold's cottage. I can see them thinking that a baby is just what they need to satisfy the Rumple/Belle shippers or that of course people would like to see how awesome Regina is with the new baby she and Robin are having, because she's totally earned that happy ending by not killing anyone in the immediate past. This. Plus, the villains deserve their happy endings (or so I have been told). Rumple will get a do-over baby to make up for losing Bae - his chance to do everything right this time. They can't keep showing us Belle with a baby and have it not mean something. It's Checkov's babysitter. Of course, Checkov's rules rarely apply to this show. Meanwhile, Regina deserves a baby to make up for having to share Henry with Emma and she deserves everything Snow gets. Plus, Roland's actor is going to age too quickly for the show so he will have to stay in New York with his Mom and Robin needs to have a new kid too. But, since time passes so slow in Storybrooke, those babies will not be born for at least four seasons. Edited January 14, 2015 by kili Link to comment
Delphi January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Well I have a screen porch on my beach house, which is used primarily to avoid mosquitoes and other bugs. However it does a good job of keeping the rain out, and mine at least has storm Windows you just snap into place once the season changes to protect from wind and cold, I assume most come with these but I'm not sure. Link to comment
Mari January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 But, since time passes so slow in Storybrooke, those babies will not be born for at least four seasons. I don't know . . . taking a look at the Mommy Princess and Baby scene, babies and pregnancy seem to operate on Soap Opera Alternate Time. The expectant mother could be sucked into a time-warp spell, and Poof! Baby and a newly, unexpectedly svelte, baby mom. They put Regina in horrible pants once this season--like the show would allow the costume department to make her less than fabulous again? Once is clearly plenty of trauma. ;) 1 Link to comment
kili January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Well I have a screen porch on my beach house, which is used primarily to avoid mosquitoes and other bugs. However it does a good job of keeping the rain out, and mine at least has storm Windows you just snap into place once the season changes to protect from wind and cold, I assume most come with these but I'm not sure. The rain in Vancouver will easily defeat a screen. People even rarely bother with umbrella's and just coat themselves in gortex. Screens aren't even all that common on windows. Screen doors are rare and screened porches are non-existent (some are glassed in). I just don't think that log cabin has a screened in porch as it's normal state. I'm pretty sure they were added by production to make it look like a new cabin for the Hood's to inhabit. They want it clear that is not Gold's cabin. Link to comment
Shanna Marie January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Boy, are we in serious need of spoilers, or what? I mean, we're doing in-depth analysis on the status of a cabin. :-) 5 Link to comment
Serena January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) Tonight is the ABC TCA party. Usually Adam and Eddy attend, so the reporters will try to get a few spoilers out of them. Hopefully that will mean something new to talk about! The ABC boss didn't mention Once at all in its Q&A. Edited January 14, 2015 by Serena Link to comment
queenbee January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 http://www.assignmentx.com/2014/actress-frances-oconnor-talks-the-missing-exclusive-interview/ Well, for those desperate for spoilers, Frances O'Connor states in this interview that her role as Belle's mother is recurring. Was that confirmed before or only speculated about? This half-season looks like it will be very cramped. Link to comment
Curio January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 Oh goodie, I've just been dying to know all about those books Belle's mom had in her collection... 4 Link to comment
AnotherCastle January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) Well I hope we will really see more of her and Belle and it's not another story the writers dropped in favor of new toys. I got the vibe that there was more to Colette's 'death' than Maurice told Belle at the end of 4.06 and that he was covering something up, something that had to do with magic. If the writers did their research this might could tie back in to the Villeneuve's version of 'The Beauty and the Beast' were Belle's mother was a Fairy. Edited January 14, 2015 by AnotherCastle 2 Link to comment
Amerilla January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 And given Rumple's hated of fairies, that could be a great twist. But I keep my expectations low on these things lately. 3 Link to comment
KingOfHearts January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) 4x16 title spoiler: Best Laid Plans. Yet another tease from Adam that could be taken in so many wrong ways... They'll do anything for publicity these days. Edited January 14, 2015 by KingOfHearts 2 Link to comment
KAOS Agent January 14, 2015 Share January 14, 2015 (edited) Not that I think there would be a Do Over II, but from her interviews, it's clear Ginny is in love with motherhood - far more than acting - and they're already thinking about a sibling or two for little Oliver. In any case, I don't see her staying with the show once her contract is up. Ginny has stated in interviews for years that she'd like lots of children and given she's 36, they'd better get to it if they want the 4-5 she's talked about. Given that this show moves at a glacial pace, they could always put Snow under another sleeping curse or something if she were to have another baby and need maternity leave in season. Wasn't there an interview with A&E where they didn't shoot down the idea of another character having a baby/getting pregnant this season? I would hate a Belle pregnancy with the fire of a thousand suns, but wouldn't put it past these guys to think that it would be a shocking twist and an easy way to reunite Belle/Rumpel without addressing how badly they destroyed that relationship. Rumpel can just give a sad face about missing out on his child and Belle will cave and voilà! instant reconciliation. Edited January 14, 2015 by KAOS Agent Link to comment
KingOfHearts January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 (edited) Wasn't there an interview with A&E where they didn't shoot down the idea of another character having a baby/getting pregnant this season? I would hate a Belle pregnancy with the fire of a thousand suns, but wouldn't put it past these guys to think that it would be a shocking twist and an easy way to reunite Belle/Rumpel without addressing how badly they destroyed that relationship. Rumpel can just give a sad face about missing out on his child and Belle will cave and voilà! instant reconciliation. I actually think Belle would make a worse mother than Regina. She's too stupid to live, let alone parent. Edited January 15, 2015 by KingOfHearts Link to comment
Delphi January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 They left baby Bae with Ruby and Ashley, it just happened offscreen because they couldn't show the sorcerers library, shots and babysitting. We'd hate too see Something as mundane as babywatching. Or they left him in the hovel alone. Your pick. Link to comment
Souris January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 The "best-laid plans" of mice and men.... Too bad Gus Gus got killed. Link to comment
YaddaYadda January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 Cruella's back story, perhaps? Wasn't her henchman a bit slow or something? Plus they've done Maleficent, 415 is Ursula, so we're missing the 3rd sob story. That leaves 6 episodes for the rest... Link to comment
KingOfHearts January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 Wasn't her henchman a bit slow or something? Plus they've done Maleficent, 415 is Ursula, so we're missing the 3rd sob story. That leaves 6 episodes for the rest... Unless 4x13 is Cruella's, but that's doubtful. Usually the first two episodes of every arc are just Storybrooke setup. Link to comment
retrograde January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 Jane and Kalinda's names on the script would usually suggest it was heavy on Rumple, no? Link to comment
TheGreenKnight January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 Well I hope we will really see more of her and Belle and it's not another story the writers dropped in favor of new toys. I got the vibe that there was more to Colette's 'death' than Maurice told Belle at the end of 4.06 and that he was covering something up, something that had to do with magic. If the writers did their research this might could tie back in to the Villeneuve's version of 'The Beauty and the Beast' were Belle's mother was a Fairy. Perhaps the banished Black Fairy? I'd love that, I hope it happens. Actually, the more I think of it, I doubt all of the QoD will be given sob stories. I'm sure at least one of them will, but I don't think even this show would go far to give all three of their new villains a sympathetic back story. 1 Link to comment
YaddaYadda January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 Jane and Kalinda's names on the script would usually suggest it was heavy on Rumple, no? Best laid plans does scream Rumple given how he is. Everything for him is part of a plan. I hope his best laid plans blow up in his face...again. Maybe he'll learn something (I know, I just made myself giggle). Actually, the more I think of it, I doubt all of the QoD will be given sob stories. I'm sure at least one of them will, but I don't think even this show would go far to give all three of their new villains a sympathetic back story. But you know, This SHOW, so who knows. The only thing I'm somewhat comfortable with is that they won't seek to redeem them or all of them like they did Ingrid (and I'm certain that happened because they love EM). Link to comment
RadioGirl27 January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 It seems that today they are shooting some scenes with Regina, Hook, Smee and someone called Peddler. https://mobile.twitter.com/lemon_buzz/status/555746024166129664 Link to comment
Souris January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 Flashback or present-day, I wonder? A peddler (which would suggest flashback) or someone whose name is actually Peddler? Link to comment
YaddaYadda January 15, 2015 Share January 15, 2015 Guess it depends how both Hook and Regina are dressed. Peddler could be part of Hook's crew. I mean Smee was a specialist in acquiring rare objects, Peddler could be someone Smee did business with him. Maybe those idiots ('cause they are) are looking for the Author using Smee and Peddler? If Regina is indeed a double-agent, maybe she's passing information she has gleaned from the other gang of idiots. Link to comment
retrograde January 16, 2015 Share January 16, 2015 Photos of a mansion they're filming interiors at today. That site reckons it might be standing in for the sorcerer's mansion, as they're pretty similar buildings. I love that they're still driving around the evil ice cream truck. Link to comment
retrograde January 16, 2015 Share January 16, 2015 From TVLine: Once Upon a Time is enlisting an ad man for its next arc. Patrick Fischler (Mad Men) will recur on Season 4 of the ABC drama as a peddler, TVLine has learned. Fischler’s character comes across as well-intentioned but is actually a quick-witted, arrogant man with reckless impulses. He will appear in both the fairytale land and Storybrooke. Link to comment
Camera One January 16, 2015 Share January 16, 2015 (edited) There's so much screentime left to go around, so yes, let's add a peddler. Having said that, he'll probably turn out to be the Sorcerer. Edited January 16, 2015 by Camera One 4 Link to comment
pezgirl7 January 16, 2015 Share January 16, 2015 A quick-witted, arrogant man with reckless impulses? Sounds like Hook, or at least past Hook. I hope the peddler isn't the sorcerer. He's kinda creepy looking, and for some reason I picture the sorcerer as a nice, kind-looking man. Link to comment
KAOS Agent January 16, 2015 Share January 16, 2015 Maybe Smee has taken over the evil ice cream truck business. He was all about the frozen yogurt in the past. 2 Link to comment
kili January 16, 2015 Share January 16, 2015 (edited) Another Lost alumni. Wasn't it a Peddlar that traded Jack the magic beans? Maybe he is the one that Hook got the bean from last season. I'm not sure the ice cream truck is relevant. There was a BTS comment last fall saying that production uses the truck to transport stuff. Edited January 16, 2015 by kili Link to comment
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