Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Souris]

Maybe the Author secretly thinks that Hook and Emma have the "better story" to tell...

 

I suspect it's just a cutesy nod to last year's "concept finale."

 

Speaking of Hook's vest, one of the on-set fans who was hinting at Hook being in an outfit we hadn't seen in awhile said that the vest is what she meant, not the Lt. Jones outfit like everybody assumed/wanted it to be.

[sharky]

Well, I still don't mind if something we haven't seen lately is the black vest. I mean, seriously, black velvet if you please. ['90s reference only four people will understand]

 

The TBA guest stars intrigues me. There are so many guest stars I would love to see pop up either just for the hell of it or as part of the actual plot. Is it too much for Graham to perhaps show up for a bit? Or maybe Ursula and Poseidon come back in to help with transport between realms after Emma disappears? And I'm starting to think that Colin's retweet about the petition to get Liam back may have some merit now. Could the AU story include the straight-laced Captain Liam angry at his brother choosing to become a pirate after his love Milah dies somehow? Plus, you also have to remember the recent Once comic book also included a story about Hook and Liam. I'm hoping for too much, I know, but for the love of all! Make it happen!

[Shanna Marie]

It is possible that I was just overanalyzing the use of the vest. That may just be their way of showing that things are "different," as the pirate outfit -- even the red vest -- is more or less normal for Hook. The vest/doublet outfit just shows that things are different. And given the respect they generally show for their viewers' intelligence, I doubt they even expect us to remember having seen that outfit.

 

It looks like Regina and Snow are actually directly switching places. They're not just being good/evil versions of themselves. Regina is being Bandit Snow and Snow is being Evil Queen (with apple obsession). So I'm not sure what's going on with Hook. It's not like he's the Dark One or switching roles with anyone else in particular, and that outfit is one he, himself, has worn.

 

And I may have now put more thought into this than the writers did.

[KingOfHearts]

I'm surprised they didn't go with Regina being a benevolent ruler loved by all and Snow being an evil bandit terrorizing the kingdom. I'm probably judging it too soon, but direct role reversal doesn't seem as interesting to me.

Edited May 4, 2015 by KingOfHearts

[Bluerang1]

Zelena and Gold made a deal in hospital for her to get her happy ending from the author. And her happy ending is to replace Regina. She's definitely getting married to Robin in the finale.

 

Those ears! It's definitely Robin.

 

I appreciate the TBA Guest Stars because 1)There's hope for a Cruella cameo. 2)I don't want to know who the Sorcerer is until his revealed.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Bluerang1

[KingOfHearts]

 

There's hope for a Cruella cameo.

A&E have confirmed the Queens of Darkness are not in the finale. *sadface*

[Amerilla]

There been some speculation that Dylan Schmid will be back briefly as Bae. Since its AU,they don't have to even pretend to be bound by established timelines.

[sharky]

Baby Bae? Yes please!!!!!!! Could you imagine him with Hook again somehow? Although if it's to break Hook's heart some more, I may be a bit sad.

[Rumsy4]

If the Author just set things in motion without dictating each action, then the basic natures of the characters might end up starting to undermine it. You can call Rumple a hero and put him in shining armor, but he's still going to probably end up being a coward in the long run. Snow and David may not be able to stop themselves from being heroes. With Regina, it depends on what she's being this week.

 

I think that's a good speculation, especially the last one. ;-)

 

Also, maybe I'm looking too much into this, but Hook's vest, why that one I ask.  We haven't seen that one since season 2 in the Queen of Hearts.  He met Milah while wearing that.  He was also wearing that vest when Regina sent him on his way to Wonderland to murder Cora.  The show is sort of careful with the way they use the clothes.  It's like Emma's leather jackets.

 

That's the outfit Rumple saw him in first? He remembered what his oldest friend was wearing. ;-) Or, it could be a callback to Hook and Emma's Beanstalk adventure. 

[OnceUponAJen]

Well, I still don't mind if something we haven't seen lately is the black vest. I mean, seriously, black velvet if you please. ['90s reference only four people will understand]

The TBA guest stars intrigues me. There are so many guest stars I would love to see pop up either just for the hell of it or as part of the actual plot. Is it too much for Graham to perhaps show up for a bit? Or maybe Ursula and Poseidon come back in to help with transport between realms after Emma disappears? And I'm starting to think that Colin's retweet about the petition to get Liam back may have some merit now. Could the AU story include the straight-laced Captain Liam angry at his brother choosing to become a pirate after his love Milah dies somehow? Plus, you also have to remember the recent Once comic book also included a story about Hook and Liam. I'm hoping for too much, I know, but for the love of all! Make it happen!

Black Velvet....great song. I'm one of the four people!

I was wondering about Liam too, actually....and Neal. I'm sure there are several surprises in store. I'm looking forward to it.

Edited May 4, 2015 by OnceUponAJen

[MMR]

I hope Hook has minimal screen time in the finale, just like in the last couple of episodes. He is only good to look at nothing else, boooooring!

[Selina K]

Well, I still don't mind if something we haven't seen lately is the black vest. I mean, seriously, black velvet if you please. ['90s reference only four people will understand]

 

Alanna Myles - I'm a 90s girl.  Even though the song came out in the 89 :)

 

I'm happy about this spoiler.  Remember that girl who teased the Hook's outfit spoiler got all kinds of crap from people for being too spoiler-y because everyone assumed it was Lt Jones's outfit?  I hope she is doing a little dance somewhere now.

 

Also, I mean, black velvet - yes, please!  And dueling dark!David or James?  That scene alone will be enough, even if the rest of the 2 hours sucks.

[pezgirl7]

I think it's interesting that Hook seems to be the only one who doesn't have a costume swap. I suppose it could be because he's been both a villain and hero, but they could have swapped him with early Rumple, and put him in rags. Thankfully they didn't do that though!

Maybe Hook and Emma are together in this timeline, but somehow got separated, which would hurt more than never knowing each other. I'm going to guess that Emma's parents locked her up when she started displaying magical abilities, and that weird shaking thing is just her magic. Although if she has magic, why doesn't she just break her chains? Maybe they're enchanted.

In the behind the scenes photo from twitter, crazy Emma is wearing a blue dress, which is different from the one she's wearing in the promo. People thought that was from the end of the episode but now I think it's from the AU. And since the floor looks like it could be the deck of a ship, maybe Hook does succeed in rescuing Emma.

[ParadoxLost]

I had been thinking of the concept finale as a rewrite.  A ripple in the pond that flips everyone to the opposite of their nature.  That doesn't really make sense.  This has got to be the Author writing a curse or spell into the story. It makes it much simpler to have Rumpel in the same timeline, Emma to be the same age as her parents, and Henry existing if they do that rather than go back and say 'what if Rumpel were a hero instead of the Dark One'.  Jumping off from there...

 

I think Rumpel retains his memories.  I wouldn't be surprised if he has 'light' magic.  I can't see him telling the Author to basically wipe his personality.  I think Rumpel gets some consequences of the magic.  Belle is reassuring Rumpel that he is a hero.  What if he got guilt along with a shiny suit of armor?

 

I think I agree with those that think that Emma remembers both and she's locked up because she has powers and insane.  Hook definitely remembers and is unchanged because that is just about the most vicious thing Rumpel could do to him.  Rumpel will want Hook to know what he has lost.

Edited May 4, 2015 by ParadoxLost

[Curio]

Okay, I know I said I wouldn't meander back into this thread until after the finale aired, but... I need to talk about that finale promo and the possibility of Emma becoming the Dark One and it's becoming impossible to avoid spoilers on Tumblr now and this is the only thread I can speculate about this kind of stuff in...

 

Yep. I caved. I'm a spoiler addict.

 

Is anyone else really miffed that the writers saved yet another awesome concept episode for a two-part finale again? Why did we have to sit through an entire season of Operation Mongoose and the pointless Queens of Darkness just so we can get this (potentially) awesome finale? I would have much rather watched a half season of alternate universe hijinks than watching random villains slowly coming to the epiphany that they don't need an author to rewrite their happy endings for them, only for the author to write new endings anyways. Was ABC not on board with switching up the formula for more than two episodes? Why cram in all of this potential fun into one hour? (I say one hour because we still have to do the set up for how they get back to the Enchanted Forest and the fallout of when they come back to Storybrooke.)

 

I hope Hook has minimal screen time in the finale, just like in the last couple of episodes.

 

Just the last couple? Try the entire half season.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Curio

[scenicbyway]

I had been thinking of the concept finale as a rewrite.  A ripple in the pond that flips everyone to the opposite of their nature.  That doesn't really make sense.  This has got to be the Author writing a curse or spell into the story. It makes it much simpler to have Rumpel in the same timeline, Emma to be the same age as her parents, and Henry existing if they do that rather than go back and say 'what if Rumpel were a hero instead of the Dark One'.  Jumping off from there...

 

I think Rumpel retains his memories.  I wouldn't be surprised if he has 'light' magic.  I can't see him telling the Author to basically wipe his personality.  I think Rumpel gets some consequences of the magic.  Belle is reassuring Rumpel that he is a hero.  What if he got guilt along with a shiny suit of armor?

 

I think I agree with those that think that Emma remembers both and she's locked up because she has powers and insane.  Hook definitely remembers and is unchanged because that is just about the most vicious thing Rumpel could do to him.  Rumpel will want Hook to know what he has lost.

I guess I think everyone retains their memories. 

 

Hook is the only one left at this point who hasn't had his memories meddled with, so would suppose that would continue.  I think Emma's locked in the tower by Snow and Charming or his evil twin is keeping watch and eventually fighting Hook.  I think we'll see a good amount of development between Hook and Emma.  They've been an established couple this entire season and A&E have said that we'll finally see/hear how Emma feels about Hook.  I hope we'll see more of it before the Dagger goodbye scene.  I'm hoping we'll see them united in Heroes and Villians (why isn't that the name of the episode anyway?) we've already seen them together in every world, it would be nice if their love transcended Rumple's dumb story as well.

 

I do wonder if we'll see Will killed off in Rumple's story.  He seemed ok with him at the shop, but will he even show up in the book?  What has been the point of Will this year anyway?

 

I don't expect to see Neal because Rumple seems to want Belle.  If Rumple really wanted Bagelfire, I think we'd see his happiness with Milah and Bae.

[scenicbyway]

 

 

 

Just the last couple? Try the entire half season.

It's not just Hook, but seriously, why have they sidelined him?  Henry, Snow and Charming have been MIA.  I think Snow and Charming have had less than an hour screen time this entire season.  I get that they wanted to give Ginny and Josh time with the baby, but Colin had a baby last year and he had meaningful time in almost every episode last year.

[Watt]

Maybe Hooks punishment is to know Emma and Emma not to know him. To see who will never love him. Idk.

I am also totally okay with Hook having minimum screen time so they don't have him some totally pointless and insipid storyline.

Hook and Emma=Husbando and Waifu. Must be protected at all costs.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Watt

[YaddaYadda]

If Hook really does remember and is the only one aside from Henry who remembers then I guess it's that time for him to always see the best in Emma just as he had promised.

 

I'm sure Rumple will be extra cruel.  He could just have Emma be killed off which would be a callback to the whole "how long did it take you to get over Milah?"  There was just something when Hook went to Gold and taunted him about how his plan failed and how he was like I get you have my happiness and you get yours never which in your case is a really long time.

 

Yeah...Hook made himself a nice cozy bed this season.  I doubt he'll go unpunished.  I think the saddest part is if Emma does vanish because of that dagger, it will still feel like retribution because both Emma and Hook sort of stood in Rumple's way.

[pezgirl7]

I just can't see Rumple wanting anyone's memory left in tact, because they, especially Hook, would fight like hell to get things back to normal. Even if Hook thought Emma was dead, he would fight to avenge her, or to help her family. Rumple knows how persistent Hook is. What I'm wondering is once they get back to Storybrooke, will everyone remember their time in the AU?

[YaddaYadda]

So we're talking about Hook and the kind of hell Rumple will unleash of him, but what will he do to Blue?  I know she's nothing in the grand scheme of things, but Rumple hates her.  I mean he might hate Hook and the fairies equally.

 

ETA - 

 

May Sweeps Scorecard is being updated as the shows are going;

 

Number of out-of-this-world cliffhangers: 1
1. AIRED May 3: Phil/Tandy’s brother in space/The Last Man on Earth

 

So some of us thought it would be Once, but it's not.

Edited May 5, 2015 by YaddaYadda

[Souris]

Photos from the finale.

 

Loads of Emma & Regina in the EF. Another Emma outfit. Nothing of Hook in the EF. >:-p

 

Wedding is Zelena & Robin.

 

Whoops, in one of them, they have Sean ID'd as Josh.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Souris

[KingOfHearts]

In one shot, the ABC logo is on a TV behind the Author. Getting a bit meta, aren't they? It looks like Isaac is a television salesmen from the 1960s.

 

 

It looks like both Emma and Regina has their memories.

Regina's really going to have a cow when she finds out what she's wearing.

Edited May 5, 2015 by KingOfHearts

[mjgchick]

It looks like both Emma and Regina has their memories. I'm assuming Emma ends up saving herself from the chains. Also I never thought I'd want to see Emma sword fight Rumple's coward ass as much I do now. Looks like she's dressed like her dad as well. I just need Emma to kick his petulant ass once and for all.

Edited May 5, 2015 by mjgchick

[Souris]

The Author works for ABC?! Could this get any more meta?

 

 

I didn't even notice that. That's just dumbass.

[daxx]

Ok just like snowing, Robin and Zelena almost marry but he goes off with Regina instead. I was hoping we would see Regina and Robin's EF wedding interrupted by Snow ala the pilot. Unless Rumple and the author are mad at Regina and they give the happy ending to her sis.

[ParadoxLost]

Interesting that there seems to be both crazy and not crazy Emma in the finale.  Does she get better or worse?

[Souris]

The Author is talking to Dark Snowing in the BTS.

 

Henry is showing the book to Bandit Regina -- you can see part of her fuzzy neckpiece on the right side.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Souris

[kili]

I see Robin and Zelena are getting married in the church. I guess the bishop got the memo from Regina (or Snow in the AU). No more  meadow weddings.

 

Why do all these women think that Robin is their happy ending? Dude could not give a crap that his wife was murdered and sleeps with whoever is handy. He uses his wife sacrificing everything for him as motivation to cheat on her while she is in a coma. Dream a little higher than that twit.

 

Regina is stopping the wedding? Is this the Graduate?

 

Can't wait to see Emma kick some Rumple butt in a sword fight.

Edited May 5, 2015 by kili

[Souris]

I bet Hook is very quickly dead in the AU. Probably the flash of him in the promo was 3/4th of his screentime, going by the rest of 4B.

 

I think there must be several AUs going on, like the Author/somebody is rewriting things in the middle, or Henry showing up changes things.

[Shanna Marie]

It looks like Rumple is wearing the Charming outfit.

[KingOfHearts]

I think there must be several AUs going on, like the Author/somebody is rewriting things in the middle, or Henry showing up changes things.

That would be crazy awesome. Basically I'm just hoping what we have so far isn't it... because as fun as it all sounds, there's some fanfic writers who could create much more intriguing AU's.

Edited May 5, 2015 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

I just noticed Will is Robin's best man. Way to screw over Little John!

[Mathius]

These are all categorized under Part 1 and it looks like Emma's big dagger sacrifice scene is in it (see the pictures with Robin and Regina on Main Street). So maybe filming it so late and in the open was a deliberate huge fakeout, since it may happen directly before the AU starts?

Edited May 5, 2015 by Mathius

[Minneapple]

I think there must be several AUs going on, like the Author/somebody is rewriting things in the middle, or Henry showing up changes things.

 

Well, this actually sounds like it's going to be a fun episode. Like the world's crackiest crack AU fic.

 

Of course it's This Show, These Writers, so I don't trust anything anymore.

[KAOS Agent]

These actors wearing other characters' outfits isn't working for me. Robert Carlyle doesn't work as well as the much bigger & taller Josh Dallas in that outfit and Ginny is dwarfed by that Evil Queen outfit which is odd since Lana is actually shorter than Ginny and she never seems overwhelmed by her costumes.

 

These are all categorized under Part 1 and it looks like Emma's big dagger sacrifice scene is in it (see the pictures with Robin and Regina on Main Street). So maybe filming it so late and in the open was a deliberate huge fakeout?

 

The dagger scene was filmed during Operation Mongoose Part II. They didn't film them concurrently because each episode had a different director. The dagger scene is definitely after the author shenanigans are over.

Edited May 5, 2015 by KAOS Agent

[Souris]

I think they just threw all the photos under the first ep. I always figured the dagger stuff was near the end of the second ep.

[Stuffy]

Jennifer looks really good in her outfit. I think they made a great choice with the blue. Rumple in Charming's outfit makes him look wimpy so much so I'd expect Emma to kick his butt.

[ParadoxLost]

I bet Hook is very quickly dead in the AU. Probably the flash of him in the promo was 3/4th of his screentime, going by the rest of 4B.

 

Emma is fighting Rumple with Hook's sword from the promo.  That does not bode well.

[pezgirl7]

I bet SwanQueeners are happy. I have no idea what is going on with Emma, but maybe crazy Emma really is at the very end, after the dagger scene. I do like the little swans on her gloves. How come Regina doesn't get to have nappy hair like Emma and bandit Snow?

Edited May 5, 2015 by pezgirl7

[Emma]

Love. Love. Love.

I'm here for Emma and her badass outfits and sword fighting and fun journeys.

[Souris]

I bet SwanQueeners are happy. 

 

They are in the throes of ecstasy. They think Emma is dressed as Charming to Regina's Bandit Snow. I can't disagree, and I think it's 100% purposeful to bait them. Although Rumple's outfit is MORE Charming.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Souris

[YaddaYadda]

Her earrings are also different on each ears.  Emma's outfits is pretty cool and I hope she sends Rumple to Hell.

[Shanna Marie]

My guess is that Emma has her memories, because she looks freaked-out, but Regina doesn't, and Regina has to convince hero (gag) Bandit Regina to help her.

[Rumsy4]

Emma looks badass!!! Love it! I hope Emma kicks Rumple's butt!! It's seems clear that this is going be an Emma/Regina friendship adventure episode. :-p 

 

Looks like we will barely get any Hook in the finale either. Sad... 

 

I can't believe Rumple didn't use this opportunity to screw over Zelena as well. He hasn't had problems bending the rules when it comes to making deals before. 

[OnceUponAJen]

I'm going to be fairly disappointed if Hook is killed off early in the AU!

[mjgchick]

I bet SwanQueeners are happy. I have no idea what is going on with Emma, but maybe crazy Emma really is at the very end, after the dagger scene. I do like the little swans on her gloves. How come Regina doesn't get to have nappy hair like Emma and bandit Snow?

I don't know why they should be because it looks like Emma is going to probably kill Rumple on behalf of Killian. My poor idiot Pirate.

[ParadoxLost]

I can't believe Rumple didn't use this opportunity to screw over Zelena as well. He hasn't had problems bending the rules when it comes to making deals before. 

 

Well she does get Robin.

[YaddaYadda]

I can't believe Rumple didn't use this opportunity to screw over Zelena as well.

 

Well I don't know about that.  Robin isn't exactly hitting the jackpot.  

[Rumsy4]

Well she does get Robin.

 

Touche... LMAO.

 

This finale reminds me of karmacanary's fic Friendly Shores. It had a similar concept with everything mixed up, complete with Regina as the Bandit Princess, and Evil!Charming.