Primal Slayer February 12, 2017 Share February 12, 2017 Obviously the future rests in bringing back Laurel Lance, giving Thea some actual screen time and giving the rest of the people what they want. Go back to status quo. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2981846
kismet February 12, 2017 Share February 12, 2017 22 minutes ago, Sasha said: Does anyone know about the actor's contracts? If I were EBR I would flee the sinking ship. Five years is a long time to play one character. The writing and the ratings will continue to slide. After year eight you'll be auditioning for Lifetime movies and trying to make money at conventions. Hey at least she'll have years of experience elevating subpar and crappy material. :) I do think contract renewal time will be part of the equation helping the network figure out just how many seasons they want. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2981929
tv echo February 12, 2017 Share February 12, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, lemotomato said: They're blaming season 3-4 for the low ratings now. So I guess their reasoning is that people hated Olicity so much they stuck around for two whole seasons of Olicity and then dropped the show during a season of No Olicity? That makes no sense. First, general audience viewers aren't that patient anymore; if they hate a show, they don't stick around for an entire season, let alone two seasons. You can see noticeable ratings effects immediately after specific episodes (for example, crossover eps, Sara's death, and the events asterisked below). And, second, that is simply not supported by the facts. While we may never know exactly why ratings rise and fall, we can see the results and draw conclusions... FACT: 1x01 ratings were 1.3 (demo) and 4.14 (viewers) - highest ratings. FACT: 1x23 ratings were 0.9 and 2.77.FACT: Season 1 ratings overall averaged 1.05 and 3.21. FACT: 2x01 ratings were 0.90 and 2.74. FACT: 2x23 ratings were 0.86 and 2.34.FACT: Season 2 ratings overall averaged 0.91 and 2.62. FACT: 3x01 ratings were 1.00 and 2.83. FACT: 3x23* ratings were 1.00 and 2.83.FACT: Season 3 overall ratings averaged 1.01 and 2.76 - second highest season. (* Oliver & Felicity leave Star City together at the end of 3x23.) FACT: 4x01 ratings were 1.09 and 2.67 - second highest season premiere demo ratings. FACT: 4x15** ratings were 1.02 and 2.74. FACT: 4x16 ratings were 0.72 and 2.09. FACT: 4x18*** ratings were 0.79 and 2.24. FACT: 4x19*** ratings were 0.88 and 2.27. FACT: 4x23 ratings were 0.82 and 2.19.FACT: Season 4 demo ratings for 4x01 through 4x15 averaged 1.02. FACT: Season 4 demo ratings for 4x01 through 4x15 (excl. 4x08) averaged 0.99.FACT: Season 4 demo ratings for 4x16 through 4x23 averaged 0.79.FACT: Season 4 overall ratings averaged 0.94 and 2.49. (** Oliver's secret son is revealed and Olicity breaks up in 4x15.) (*** Laurel is killed in 4x18 and her funeral is held in 4x19.) FACT: 5x01 ratings were 0.70 and 1.87. FACT: 5x09 ratings were 0.68 and 1.94. FACT: 5x10 ratings were 0.56 and 1.68. FACT: 5x11 ratings were 0.62 and 1.91. FACT: 5x12 ratings were 0.60 and 1.61.FACT: Season 5 ratings for 5x01 through 5x12 averaged 0.70 and 1.97. Sources:http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-one-ratings-25001/http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-two-ratings-30300/http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-three-ratings-34284/http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-four-ratings-38484/http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-tv-show-cw-season-five-ratings/ Edited February 12, 2017 by tv echo 15 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2982941
lemotomato February 12, 2017 Share February 12, 2017 (edited) 46 minutes ago, tv echo said: So I guess their reasoning is that people hated Olicity so much they stuck around for two whole seasons of Olicity and then dropped the show during a season of No Olicity? That makes no sense. First, general audience viewers aren't that patient anymore; if they hate a show, they don't stick around for an entire season, let alone two seasons. You can see noticeable ratings effects immediately after specific episodes (for example, crossover eps, Sara's death, and the events asterisked below). And, second, that is simply not supported by the facts. While we may never know exactly why ratings rise and fall, we can see the results and draw conclusions... FACT: 1x01 ratings were 1.3 (demo) and 4.14 (viewers) - highest ratings. FACT: 1x23 ratings were 0.9 and 2.77.FACT: Season 1 ratings overall averaged 1.05 and 3.21. FACT: 2x01 ratings were 0.90 and 2.74. FACT: 2x23 ratings were 0.86 and 2.34.FACT: Season 2 ratings overall averaged 0.91 and 2.62. FACT: 3x01 ratings were 1.00 and 2.83. FACT: 3x23* ratings were 1.00 and 2.83.FACT: Season 3 overall ratings averaged 1.01 and 2.76 - second highest season. (* Oliver & Felicity leave Star City together at the end of 3x23.) FACT: 4x01 ratings were 1.09 and 2.67 - second highest season premiere demo ratings. FACT: 4x15** ratings were 1.02 and 2.74. FACT: 4x16 ratings were 0.72 and 2.09. FACT: 4x18*** ratings were 0.79 and 2.24. FACT: 4x19*** ratings were 0.88 and 2.27. FACT: 4x23 ratings were 0.82 and 2.19.FACT: Season 4 demo ratings for 4x01 through 4x15 averaged 1.02. FACT: Season 4 demo ratings for 4x16 through 4x23 averaged 0.79.FACT: Season 4 overall ratings averaged 0.94 and 2.49. (** Oliver's secret son is revealed and Olicity breaks up in 4x15.) (*** Laurel is killed in 4x18 and her funeral is held in 4x19.) FACT: 5x01 ratings were 0.70 and 1.87. FACT: 5x09 ratings were 0.68 and 1.94. FACT: 5x10 ratings were 0.56 and 1.68. FACT: 5x11 ratings were 0.62 and 1.91. FACT: 5x12 ratings were 0.60 and 1.61.FACT: Season 5 ratings for 5x01 through 5x12 averaged 0.70 and 1.97. Sources:http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-one-ratings-25001/http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-two-ratings-30300/http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-three-ratings-34284/http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-four-ratings-38484/http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-tv-show-cw-season-five-ratings/ I can tell you that they're not too big on facts and logic over there. Nor much understanding about how ratings work. (There was a post there last season by someone who found out his neighbor was a Nielsen family, and he wanted to volunteer to mow their lawn for free if they promised not to watch Arrow to hurt the ratings.) Their reasoning was this: season 3/4 got good ratings because season 1/2 were so great people stuck around through season 3 and most of 4 hoping that the show would improve. Then they quit 2/3 of the way into season 4 and never came back, which was why season 5 ratings stink. They think if the show continues as it has, season 6 ratings will improve. Edited February 12, 2017 by lemotomato Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2983022
Bort February 12, 2017 Share February 12, 2017 Everybody, this conversation has strayed waaay off the beaten path. Ratings is the the subject here, not whether Emily is content at her job. Find another place for it. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2983053
JJ928 February 12, 2017 Share February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, AyChihuahua said: Do you have a citation for that? (I am not challenging you; but it's the first I've heard of anything that definitive, and that would be very interesting information.) Answered in social media thread. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2983178
tv echo February 14, 2017 Share February 14, 2017 (edited) Following up on my position that audience reaction to Arrow is reflected quickly in weekly ratings changes and not delayed until after an entire season has aired, I'd refer you to another genre show with a passionate fandom (by way of comparison)... The Walking Dead has had a very problematic first half of this season. But, instead of sticking it out for the entire season hoping for things to get better, a lot of unhappy viewers immediately began dropping out - as reflected in the steady decline in ratings over the first eight episodes of this season, dropping from 8.36 to 5.09 in the key demo. However, the 8th episode ended on a hopeful note, with Rick Grimes finally deciding to fight back and create a resistance coalition against the Big Bad of that show. After the winter break, The Walking Dead returned with its 9th episode this week and that episode garnered ratings of 5.72 (demo) and 12.00 (viewers). This was a 12% increase in the key demo from the 8th episode. Per Deadline: "That’s the first time a midseason return of TWD has been up from the winter finale since Season 4 came back from its two-month and one-week break on February 9, 2014. After a season that so far has seen double-digit declines for the still highest rated series on TV following a near record-breaking start last fall, any upward movement is a move in the right direction for TWD and AMC." However, this S7 return's ratings were still lower than last year's S6 return's ratings for that show. Sources: http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/walking-dead-season-seven-ratings/http://deadline.com/2017/02/the-walking-dead-ratings-season-7-winter-return-grammys-andrew-lincoln-amc-1201911193/ Edited February 14, 2017 by tv echo 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2988650
Mellowyellow February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 So what are your predictions for ratings this week? Will everyone tune in for wild dong's flashback? Are they going to hit the elusive 0.5 yet? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2990373
BkWurm1 February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 Last week wasn't a terrible episode so I'm sure most of the audience will be back and then the next episode of Arrow will be down. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2990390
MaisyDaisy February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 I think it will get a 0.5, if it gets a 0.6, I think it will be because it gets rounded up (like a 5.6). I think it will get 0.6 for the first half, but when the general audience realise it's WD and moralistic centric, I think they will switch channels. thats my guess anyway. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2990458
kismet February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 I wonder if anyone has ever looked at what happens when the CW airs reruns of Flash & no LoT in the same week as a new episode of Arrow & SG. I was talking to a patient today because he was trying to find the Flash, instead it was some Tough Mudder special. He was not happy, Flash is his fave. We were talking about how frustrating it is that the CW is so inconsistent with its scheduling. I don't think it would dramatically increase the Arrow ratings this season, but it might help people on the fence. I can't be bothered to try to keep up with most of the shows in the Flarrowverse because I never know when they are new or reruns. Perhaps there are a group of people like me that have ditched the live and are just going to binge later if their interest gets peaked. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991127
Velocity23 February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 But CW has all new line up except for the Tuesday shows. Why would you base anything about the Arrowverse on the account of Flash not airing, especially since Flash more than any other Arrowverse show is prone to delays and postponing of episodes. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991306
kismet February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Velocity23 said: But CW has all new line up except for the Tuesday shows. Why would you base anything about the Arrowverse on the account of Flash not airing, especially since Flash more than any other Arrowverse show is prone to delays and postponing of episodes. I'm not basing it on Flash. I'm just saying the CW has a tendency to not keep all the shows consistently new at the same time. Even this winter premiere, it was hard to figure out which show was premiering when. If people turn in and see a rerun, they may assume all the shows that week are reruns and perhaps not tune into the other shows. Just like I assumed Arrow would be a rerun too this week at 8p last night, of course then I came here and saw the new thread. But I'm an exception to the general audience. Also, if reruns are airing - people may not see the ads for the new episodes and also lower the viewer turn-out. A lot of people do not bother watching reruns. Also since a lot of CW is word of mouth or just happening to catch a good ad airing between other CW shows. I found Arrow because I watched other CW shows it's pilot season. Otherwise, I never would have tuned into Arrow. I'm just wondering if there is a correlation between the ratings when other days of the week air reruns. Do the numbers drop, do they stay the same? Diehard fans will tune in regardless of the other shows that week. But general audiences may need the new episodes of other shows to get them to watch Arrow. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991522
way2interested February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 That would also require CW to actually run Arrow promos during their other shows. Even during Supergirl they ran 3 promos for next week's Flash (even though no new episode this week), one promo for LoT (also next week), 2 promos for Riverdale, and none for this week's Arrow. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991552
Morrigan2575 February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 They run Arrow promos during SPN and IIRC, LoT. I don't see any connection between Flash and Arrow ratings. I used to see connections between Arrow and LoT ratings, when LoT was on Thursday. I think Arrow/LoT have more of a shared audience than Arrow/Flash. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991588
Sakura12 February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 I saw a couple of Arrow promos during Supergirl. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991595
way2interested February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 18 minutes ago, Sakura12 said: I saw a couple of Arrow promos during Supergirl. Maybe it's different broadcasting? I guess it's just weird on my station (one time a promo for Arrow started then immediately ran a Flash promo instead of actually finishing the Arrow promo). Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991663
BkWurm1 February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Sakura12 said: I saw a couple of Arrow promos during Supergirl. Maybe it's a local thing cause I'm pretty sure I didn't have Arrow promos either. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991811
Sakura12 February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 I'm in the chicago market and saw 4 Flash promos, 1 for LoT and 2 for Arrow. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2991832
kismet February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 Well if nobody watches reruns, then it doesn't matter what promos are aired. My point was not show specific. It was more network driven, if people can't keep up with when the shows are airing new v. reruns it might impact ratings. If I turn into reruns early on in the week, I wouldn't bother to turn in on Weds. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2993082
strikera0 February 15, 2017 Share February 15, 2017 Live +7 numbers for 5x11: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/big-bang-theory-agents-of-shield-benefit-the-most-in-week-20-broadcast-live-7-ratings/ Live + SD: 0.6 and 1.915 million viewers. Live +7: 1.1 and 2.990 million viewers Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2993100
Mellowyellow February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Is it sweeps yet? Is sweeps when they try to get high ratings? We have a 40 week ratings period here so I don't understand how sweeps work. Cuz it'll be awesome if they hit 0.5 or 0.4 for sweeps! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995181
LeighAn February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 16 hours ago, strikera0 said: Live +7 numbers for 5x11: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/big-bang-theory-agents-of-shield-benefit-the-most-in-week-20-broadcast-live-7-ratings/ Live + SD: 0.6 and 1.915 million viewers. Live +7: 1.1 and 2.990 million viewers Last season they got 1.3-1.4 and 3-4 million veiwers in live +7 right? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995204
dtissagirl February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said: Is it sweeps yet? Is sweeps when they try to get high ratings? We have a 40 week ratings period here so I don't understand how sweeps work. Cuz it'll be awesome if they hit 0.5 or 0.4 for sweeps! Yes. 512-513-514-515 are the February Sweeps episodes. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995208
SmallScreenDiva February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 So while shows like Lethal Weapon are packing in action, romance, humor ... Arrow goes with a downer of a episode revolving around a character who hasn't been received as favorably as the EPs and the studio probably hope. Yeah, awesome sweeps strategy! 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995250
Mellowyellow February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Does watching Arrow on the CW App count or not count towards anything beneficial for them? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995260
SmallScreenDiva February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said: Does watching Arrow on the CW App count or not count towards anything beneficial for them? It definitely counts as beneficial. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995310
Mellowyellow February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said: It definitely counts as beneficial. Ok I will stop doing that then and find other means. Maybe I'll watch the Felicity eps only..... Gawd I'm petty! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995323
lemotomato February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, LeighAn said: Last season they got 1.3-1.4 and 3-4 million veiwers in live +7 right? At this point last season, they got way higher in the demos: They didn't hit 1.3 in +7 until the end of the season, after the big drop in live ratings. Edited February 16, 2017 by lemotomato Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995341
Soulfire February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/the-sked-wednesday-ratings-2-15-2017.html 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995466
Morrigan2575 February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Given the HH, I expected Arrow to be under 1.6. Guess we've hit their bottom. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995489
strikera0 February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: Given the HH, I expected Arrow to be under 1.6. Guess we've hit their bottom. I wouldn't be so sure of that. After last night's preachy episode, they may very well see another drop next week. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995548
bethy February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Did anything trend on Twitter? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995568
SmallScreenDiva February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, bethy said: Did anything trend on Twitter? Arrow did. Not sure during the East Coast, but I saw it trending during the West Coast airing. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995614
way2interested February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Just now, SmallScreenDiva said: Arrow did. Not sure during the East Coast, but I saw it trending during the West Coast airing. I saw it on the East Coast too, or at least briefly right after the episode. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995621
Starfish35 February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, strikera0 said: I wouldn't be so sure of that. After last night's preachy episode, they may very well see another drop next week. Yeah I'm curious to see whether it drops next week. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995690
Chaser February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Clearly people were as turned off by the Ollie Reporter sex as Oliver was. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995750
Velocity23 February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995760
dtissagirl February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 I hadn't noticed that last week's episode adjusted down from .60 to .56. And 1.608k viewers was a new low [lower than 505's 1.612k]. Fast nationals for last night's ep are at .60 again this week, but yeah, Arrow is dangerously close of an 0.5.http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-tv-show-cw-season-five-ratings/ 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995839
Velocity23 February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 (edited) I think the site rounds it up until the final numbers comes out. Here are the unrounded numbers for last night; Arrow ................................. 0.600 ... (0.628 ... 0.571) The 100 ............................. 0.372 ... (0.395 ... 0.350) http://www.spottedratings.com/2017/02/spotted-ratings-wednesday-21517.html Edited February 16, 2017 by Velocity23 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2995850
lemotomato February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Velocity23 said: I think the site rounds it up until the final numbers comes out. Here are the unrounded numbers for last night; Arrow ................................. 0.600 ... (0.628 ... 0.571) The 100 ............................. 0.372 ... (0.395 ... 0.350) http://www.spottedratings.com/2017/02/spotted-ratings-wednesday-21517.html Are the numbers in parenthesis the half-hour ratings? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2996083
Velocity23 February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Yes. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2996094
SmallScreenDiva February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Yikes, Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2996841
Thundercatmary February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 Yeah that looks bad, ofc I know very little about this kind of stuff so idk. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2998001
Morrigan2575 February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 I show a 33% drop in demo and, 27% in viewers year to year, which is very bad. By comparison (because it's the only other show I track), SPN is down 13% in demo and 0% in viewers. I'd say 10% or less Y2Y is considered good, 15-20% is average (although 20 is on the high end) 25% or more is considered bad. 33% is firmly in the "oh crap" territory. By comparison the Arrow drop from S1-S2 was 13%. They had an 11% increase from S2-S3 and the drop from S3-S4 was 7%. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2998375
way2interested February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 I guess if 516 and on has the similar post-hiatus drop that Arrow has it might retain that drop average for the whole season? If it could retain the .6 for the rest of the season, would the average drop a bit since the gap for 416-423 was a bit closer to .6 than 4a was? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2998536
Morrigan2575 February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 If Arrow retains the 0.6 throughout the rest of the year then the Y2Y drop would end up being around 28%. Historically the demo average for 16-23 is usually 2 tenths below episodes 1-9. S1 3ths drop, S3 1th drop, S2/S4 both had 2ths drop. It's possible that Arrow has hit it's bottom but, i think it's also possible that Arrow will start getting some 0.5s after 515 break. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2998563
dtissagirl February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 A simpler way to look at the viewer loss is that almost 1 in 3 people stopped watching the show. Any other network and there would be a shake up going on, it's just the CW that is okay with taking live broadcast losses on every show. They don't care for real, because WB and CBS owns the shows and recoup money is post views. But if the CW goes with a month long hiatus again after ep 15, they are gonna be tempting fate hard-core. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2998576
Chaser February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 Haven't they also seen a portional drop in post episode views as well? The Live plus seems down. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2998614
lemotomato February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Chaser said: Haven't they also seen a portional drop in post episode views as well? The Live plus seems down. Comparing Live+ between seasons is a little bit more difficult because the show has to make it into the top 25 for its numbers to be publicly available, but based on the data collected from http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/category/dvr-ratings/, Arrow is down 25% in Live+ demo, 20% in Live+ viewers compared to this time last season. Edited February 17, 2017 by lemotomato Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/49/#findComment-2998665
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