Ratings and Scheduling: Hail to the Gods

[Starfish35]

Unrounded finals for last week from RJK at SpottedRatings.com:

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Here are the unrounded FINALS for the CW shows last week (November 6-12):
................................................... L+SD ........... L+3 ...
The Flash .................................. 0.891 ........... 1.49 ...
Supernatural ............................. 0.596 ........... 0.91 ...
Supergirl ................................... 0.505 ........... 0.84 ...
Legends of Tomorrow .............. 0.504 ........... 0.80 ...
Riverdale .................................. 0.479 ........... 0.87 ...
Arrow ........................................ 0.459 ........... 0.80 ...
Valor ......................................... 0.270 ........... 0.33 ...
Jane the Virgin ......................... 0.261
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend ................... 0.241
Dynasty .................................... 0.222 ............ 0.29 ...

[Morrigan2575]

Wow Riverdale really dropped

[Mellowyellow]

When do we know if Arrow will get a S7?

[Morrigan2575]

28 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

When do we know if Arrow will get a S7?

Officially February. Unofficially it's getting a S7, look at the rest of the network

 CW renews shows with 0.3s and it can't launch a new show that does better than Arrow anyway. Arrow, SPN, Supergirl, LoT, Riverdale will all get renewals. 

Edited November 15, 2017 by Morrigan2575

[Mellowyellow]

Thanks @Morrigan2575! 

What numbers do they look at before cancelling? 

Or do they cancel shows that have gone on for too long and have falling ratings? I didn't pay attention to what Vampire Diaries was getting before they announced it's last season. 

[Morrigan2575]

2 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Thanks @Morrigan2575! 

What numbers do they look at before cancelling? 

Or do they cancel shows that have gone on for too long and have falling ratings? I didn't pay attention to what Vampire Diaries was getting before they announced it's last season. 

With the CW, who knows? Traditionally networks look at the 18-49 demo, CW used to look at 18-34W (under Dawn O). According to Mark Pedowitz and MG the CW doesn't just look at Live Numbers. They look at Streaming and Live+7.  Honestly, I'm not worried about Arrow or SPN. Those shows will end when SA and the J's decide they're done. 

[WindofChange]

1 hour ago, Mellowyellow said:

When do we know if Arrow will get a S7?

I think Arrow right now may be safer than SG/LoT... So we're definitely getting another season of married olicity :)

[BkWurm1]

I think in the wake of the Kriesberg stuff, Supergirl would be a hard one for the CW to cancel even if it is one of the more expensive ones.   

[Primal Slayer]

None of them are getting cancelled. SG still is getting good numbers with their Live +7 and keeping their monday nights relatively strong.

[jay741982]

1 hour ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Wow Riverdale really dropped

Well last week they did break up probably the most popular couple AND the show is getting darker to name a couple possible reasons why it's dropped lol

[strikera0]

11 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Thanks @Morrigan2575! 

What numbers do they look at before cancelling? 

Or do they cancel shows that have gone on for too long and have falling ratings? I didn't pay attention to what Vampire Diaries was getting before they announced it's last season. 

According to this chart, TVD was still pulling 0,5's and 0,6's in A18-49 before the CW moved the show to Fridays. After that, ratings dropped all the way down to 0,3's. 

[BkWurm1]

11 hours ago, strikera0 said:

According to this chart, TVD was still pulling 0,5's and 0,6's in A18-49 before the CW moved the show to Fridays. After that, ratings dropped all the way down to 0,3's. 

When it moved to Fridays, .5 and .6's were considered worse than they are now though.  

[lemotomato]

I wonder if the premiere of the Justice League movie tomorrow will affect the show's ratings. Overlapping audience and all.

[Morrigan2575]

4 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

I wonder if the premiere of the Justice League movie tomorrow will affect the show's ratings. Overlapping audience and all.

Thor didn't seem to have an impact but, it's certainly possible

[Morrigan2575]

[tv echo]

Looks like they're losing women viewers again.

[Velocity23]

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Thanksgiving Day, Thursday, November 22, 2018, will not be included in the November 2018 survey.

https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file/Nielsen_Local_Survey_Dates_2017_18.pdf

[kismet]

28 minutes ago, tv echo said:

Looks like they're losing women viewers again.

I somehow feel like the TPTB beyond the network don't see this as a bad thing. Like MG & co are secretly happy Arrow is becoming a man show again.

[way2interested]

Nice, now we can just be entertained with whatever number comes in instead of feeling bad for the low ratings on Thursday.

[Morrigan2575]

Smart. No way anything other than Football and Charlie Brown gets good ratings

[statsgirl]

I'm amazed at how popular Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon are with adults 50+.  50 is too young to be in the old fogey camp.

[Chaser]

I feel like this has been the weakest start to a season they have had. I love Diggle but I've hated the drug plot. I don't care about Dinah. I think Michael Emerson is great but I need more Cayden James and less BS.

Edited November 17, 2017 by Chaser

[Starfish35]

Unrounded preliminary ratings from RJK ar SpottedRatings.com:

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Supernatural ................................. 0.647 ... (0.679 ... 0.614)
Arrow ............................................ 0.463 ... (0.479 ... 0.446)

[EmilyBettFan]

Funny I thought some of the comic fanboys said Slade was going to bring the ratings? ?

[Morrigan2575]

[strikera0]

Live+7 ratings for episode 6x04: 0.9 in A18-49 and 2.228 million total viewers. I think this might be a new series low. 

[kismet]

11 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I'm amazed at how popular Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon are with adults 50+.  50 is too young to be in the old fogey camp.

It's because it's on CBS. I swear there are millions of Nielsen boxes that are jammed and forever stuck on CBS. The 50+ crew will watch just about anything on CBS.

[SmallScreenDiva]

9 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

So Slade didn't hurt or boost Arrow's numbers, it looks like. I wonder if that will affect any plans for a Deathstroke project.

[Starfish35]

Unrounded finals for last week from RJK at SpottedRatings (this says Nov. 6-10, but I checked and they're not the same numbers as were posted last week now corrected). 

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Here were the unrounded FINALS and L+3 for last week's CW shows: (November 13-17):

.......................................... L+SD ..... L+3 ...
The Flash ......................... 0.967 .... 1.54 ...  
Supernatural .................... 0.659 .... 1.04* ...
Legends of Tomorrow ...... 0.545 .... 0.89 ...
Riverdale .......................... 0.499 .... 0.87 ...
Supergirl ........................... 0.497 .... 0.78 ...
Arrow ................................ 0.460 .... 0.74 ...
Jane the Virgin ................. 0.211 .... (0.46 for Nov. 10 episode) 
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend ........... 0.210 .... (0.31 for Nov. 10 episode)
Valor ................................. 0.191 .... 0.27 ...
Dynasty ............................ 0.169 .... 0.22 ...

*season high

I know Dynasty has been pre-sold, and that's why it's being kept, but the closer it inches to a 0.1, the harder I find it to believe that they will leave it on Wednesdays.

Edited November 21, 2017 by Starfish35

[Sakura12]

Legends passed Supergirl and Riverdale in the demos. That's interesting. 

[tv echo]

Cancel Bear vs. The CW, week 8: ‘Arrow’ will be OK, but it sure is aging
NOVEMBER 21, 2017
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-the-cw-week-8-arrow-will-be-ok-but-it-sure-is-aging/

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The Bear will stipulate up front that “Arrow” is probably not going anywhere. It’s very unlikely The CW will pull the plug on its first DC Comics series this season.

But.

The show is clearly showing some age as it plays out its sixth season. Ratings have dropped about 17 percent this season vs. last — and last season’s numbers were down 33 percent from the season before that. That is not a good trend line.

As the Bear said, there’s little reason to think “Arrow” is going anywhere in the near term. But its numbers suggest the show is clearly closer to the end of its life than it is to the beginning.

Edited November 21, 2017 by tv echo

[strikera0]

2 hours ago, Sakura12 said:

Legends passed Supergirl and Riverdale in the demos. That's interesting. 

Yeah, I'm curious if that was just a one-off or a permanent changing of the guard. Supergirl has been an interesting case in general, too. It's total viewership has grown every week since episode 2, but it just can't get over the hump in A18-49. 

Edited November 21, 2017 by strikera0

[lemotomato]

50 minutes ago, tv echo said:

Cancel Bear vs. The CW, week 8: ‘Arrow’ will be OK, but it sure is aging
NOVEMBER 21, 2017
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-the-cw-week-8-arrow-will-be-ok-but-it-sure-is-aging/

As the Bear said, there’s little reason to think “Arrow” is going anywhere in the near term. But its numbers suggest the show is clearly closer to the end of its life than it is to the beginning.

Yes, season 6 is closer to season 7 or even in a best case scenario, season 9, than it is to season 1. No wonder TVGrimreaper makes fun of Cancellation Bear all the time. 

[BkWurm1]

Never mind.  :D

Edited November 22, 2017 by BkWurm1

[Soulfire]

[Mellowyellow]

How does a BBT repeat get a 2.9??? Why is it so popular?????

[bijoux]

Did Arrow even hit a 0.4 before this? I’m not sure. Great call on airing on Thanksgiving. Although Supernatural took an even bigger hit. Their ratings are higher than Arrow’s, but there’s a bigger drop in comparison to their norm, no? Maybe put this experiment to rest after this year.

[quarks]

Honestly, if those numbers hold, that's much better than I was expecting for Arrow last night - I was figuring a .2 and below 1 million viewers.  I mean, ABC and FOX went with reruns for a reason. 

[SmallScreenDiva]

Yeah, those numbers are not too far off their regular numbers, actually. Plus Nielsen isn't even including this week in it survey.

[quarks]

21 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Yeah, those numbers are not too far off their regular numbers, actually. Plus Nielsen isn't even including this week in it survey.

And where they needed to be in order to be good news for the CW - that is, anything around or over .3/1.1 million views in that particular timeslot, which historically has been a terrible timeslot for the CW.  

Given the Thursday box office estimates that just landed, those numbers actually have to be a bit of a relief for the WB. 

[paulvdb]

1 hour ago, Mellowyellow said:

How does a BBT repeat get a 2.9??? Why is it so popular?????

I believe CBS aired NFL before the start of primetime and a lot of those viewers didn't change the channel after the match ended. That 2.9 is actually higher than the latest new episodes.

[Velocity23]

Unrounded numbers for Thanksgiving

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Supernatural ...................... 0.334 ... (0.347 ... 0.321)
Arrow ................................. 0.346 ... (0.355 ... 0.330)

[Guest]

I'm surprised! I really thought it would drop below 1 million and get a 0.2. So good job! 

[Primal Slayer]

Kudos to CW. They didn't take that big of a hit. 

[Velocity23]

The finals for Thanksgiving ratings will only be released on Tuesday. 

[LeighAn]

5 hours ago, Velocity23 said:

Unrounded numbers for Thanksgiving

So Arrow did fractionally better then Supernatural this week. 

[BkWurm1]

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Supernatural ...................... 0.334 ... (0.347 ... 0.321)
Arrow ................................. 0.346 ... (0.355 ... 0.330)

Who are these people that start watching the show every week only to drop off EVERY WEEK before it's over?  

[leopardprint]

39 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Who are these people that start watching the show every week only to drop off EVERY WEEK before it's over?  

Chronic channel surfers who haven't cut the cord?

[strikera0]

Live+7 ratings for episode 6x05: 0.9 in A18-49 and 2.374 million viewers. 

[Soulfire]

Edited November 28, 2017 by Soulfire