Spoilers and Spoiler Discussion

[Tombz]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO...

😪

that is all.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

7.15 Episode Description

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"Enemy At the Gates" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV-PG, LV) (HDTV)

CHILLBLAINE IS RELEASED FROM PRISON - When an army of Godspeeds attack Central City, Barry (Grant Gustin) and Iris (Candice Patton) must put their family plans on hold and focus on the latest threat to their home. Meanwhile, Chillblaine (guest star John Cor) is released from prison and claims to be reformed but Frost (Danielle Panabaker) has her doubts. Geoff Shotz directed the episode with story by Jason V. Gilbert and teleplay by Thomas Pound (#715). Original airdate 6/29/2021

Hopefully, the A plot is good.

Chillblaine is out. Yeah.........Central City has the worst legal system. He's a murderer. Then again, what can you expect. Their sole protector literally worked with a criminals and let other criminals go as long as they do good.

[Trini]

On 6/10/2021 at 1:38 PM, BeautifulFlower said:

CHILLBLAINE ...

UGH - I guess I knew that we'd see him again. Still annoyed. Will be fast-forwarding. And this subplot; are they literally trying to make the justice system a joke?? I mean, the law and law enforcement in the Arrow-verse has always been iffy at best, but this makes even less sense than usual; and it's happening in the season where they're attempting to have a corrupt policing arc. Just a mess.

 

On 6/10/2021 at 1:38 PM, BeautifulFlower said:

When an army of Godspeeds attack Central City, Barry (Grant Gustin) and Iris (Candice Patton) must put their family plans on hold and focus on the latest threat to their home

I assume they would have had to put any plans on hold, but at least we know when the show picks back up WestAllen's baby-making plot -- a whole 4 episodes later.

I should be more excited for Godspeed, but I haven't really liked what they've done with him in his previous appearances.

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It's weird that we don't know which episode Diggle will be in yet.

Edited June 13, 2021 by Trini

[Starry]

On 6/10/2021 at 8:15 PM, Trini said:

I assume they would have had to put any plans on hold, but at least we knew when the show picks back up WestAllen's baby-making plot -- a whole 4 episodes later.

I think there might be a reference in 7x14 before Barry and Iris go "out of town" and disappear for the rest of the episode.

[Trini]

5 hours ago, Starry said:

I think there might be a reference in 7x14 before Barry and Iris go "out of town" and disappear for the rest of the episode.

That makes perfect sense, but this show hates that, so I refuse to get my hopes up.

[Trini]

Keeping my expectations low is mostly working out so far!

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I don't think I can do a third supporting character -centric episode in a row; especially when I care even less about Allegra than the others. I'll check out recaps/reactions for what scenes I want to watch.

 

[Starry]

Where's the Iris-centric episode?

At least Joe has an overarching storyline even though I find the writing to be lame and extremely simplistic if not downright offensive.

[Trini]

Photos for 7.14 are out: https://flashtvnews.com/flash-rayo-de-luz-preview-images-released/45240

Several of Allegra, Ultraviolet, and Danielle P. directing; a couple of Barry, and one Joe and Cecile, and one Chester, one Sue.

[Trini]

Not sure if they'll release any more, but a few photos of 7.15  are out: https://flashtvnews.com/flash-enemy-at-the-gates-photos-released/45280

Mainly of one scene in STAR Labs; Barry, Chester, and Frost.

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This is the one where Barry & Iris' "family planning" is put on hold; I think it's just that the vacation in 7.14 gets cut short. I don't expect it to be more than one scene, but it would be great if they show us some of the vacation. They green screen so many things; they can green green a beach.

Edited June 19, 2021 by Trini

[Trini]

7.16, "P.O.W." synopsis; AKA the one with Diggle:

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DAVID RAMSEY GUEST STARS – John Diggle (guest star David Ramsey) arrives in Central City with a weapon to help Barry (Grant Gustin) stop the Godspeed War. Meanwhile, Allegra (Kayla Compton) and Ultraviolet’s (guest star Alexa Baraja Plante) new bond is put to the ultimate test, while Joe (Jesse L. Martin) and Kristin Kramer (guest star Carmen Moore) are hunted by a former colleague of hers.

Marcus Stokes directed the episode written by Kristen Kim & Dan Fisk (#716). Original airdate 7/6/2021

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eh - Kim is on this one, and as far as I can tell, Fisk is a new/guest writer.

So, Alexa does save Ultraviolet with the Power of Love?

So Joe's story is picking up; still not especially interested in this arc, but good for Jesse.

[Trini]

7.15 promo -- I hate that it looks like Chillblaine is STAR Labs. I was really hoping that he and Frost would be completely separate from the A-plot.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

On 6/23/2021 at 10:23 PM, Trini said:

7.15 promo -- I hate that it looks like Chillblaine is STAR Labs. I was really hoping that he and Frost would be completely separate from the A-plot.

 

If he is, I hope Killer Frost didn't let him in on the secret. I don't know why this show is obsessed with having every character tell their significant other who The Flash is.

[Trini]

7.17, the 150th episode synopsis:

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"Heart of the Matter, Part 1" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV-PG, LV) (HDTV)

XS AND IMPULSE SURPRISE BARRY AND IRIS IN THE 150TH EPISODE OF "THE FLASH" -

Barry (Grant Gustin) and Iris (Candice Patton) greet their future children, XS (guest star Jessica Parker Kennedy) and Bart (guest star Jordan Fisher), only for a shocking secret to threaten their new familial harmony. Meanwhile, the Godspeed war intensifies and threatens to destroy Central City.

Eric Dean Seaton directed the episode written by Eric Wallace & Lauren Barnett (#717). Original airdate 7/13/2021

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'a ShoCKinG sEcRet' - that will be revealed at the end and then immediately resolved in the next, because these writers are super predictable; so I'm trying not to be too upset about the West-Allens not being able to have a day of peace.

Also, "familial harmony"? They just met that day? I hope that means we get more than a few nice family scenes, but I got to be prepared to be Disappointed But Not Surprised(TM).

Edited June 29, 2021 by Trini

[Trini]

Photos are out for 7.16: https://flashtvnews.com/diggle-visits-in-flash-p-o-w-photos/45300

Somehow Cecile is in the plot with Diggle and Team Flash; Caitlin in a blazer, and about to inject someone who isn't credited (a spoiler?); and Barry (as Flash) and Iris in an outdoor scene.

[Trini]

Wish we were getting this story while there was still a multiverse!* 😭

7.18, season finale synopsis:

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SEASON FINALE – The Flash (Grant Gustin) enlists a host of speedster allies, including Iris (Candice Patton) and his children from the future—Bart (guest star Jordan Fisher) and Nora West-Allen (guest star Jessica Parker Kennedy) – to end the speedster war and defeat a deadly new adversary: the villainous Godspeed (guest star Karan Oberoi).

Marcus Stokes directed the episode written by Eric Wallace & Kelly Wheeler (#718). Original airdate 7/20/2021

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They way this is written, it feels like they just put Iris' name there because they had to -- will Iris be a speedster? How much will she be in the A-plot?

*(I know there is technically still a multiverse, but the characters in this show don't know that.)

[Trini]

Well Matt at TVLine is running with Iris being a speedster in the finale; but I hope he's not basing it solely on the synopsis which could be wrong or misleading based on history.

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In unrelated spec:

I really want the Tornado Twins, but I'm thinking they're not going to try and pass off Jessica and Jordan as the same age. We might get the twins, but probably not as adults (played by Jessica and Jordan).

[Trini]

Nice!

 

[Trini]

It's all about to come full circle! The Flash family is the only thing I'm looking forward to.

 

[Trini]

Bart and Nora in the 150th (7.17) photos:

https://flashtvnews.com/flash-episode-150-photos-meet-impulse-in-heart-of-the-matter-part-1/45330

[Trini]

I hope they have a family poster, too!

[Trini]

Jordan says there isn't a cliffhanger in the finale:

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“I don’t know that there’s been a season finale where there hasn’t been a cliffhanger,” Fisher previews. But by the time the Arrowverse series breaks for summer hiatus (returning with Season 8 on Tuesday, Nov. 16), “I can say that everybody’s going to be very, very happy, very satisfied, and thrilled about what’s to come.”

https://tvline.com/2021/07/13/the-flash-recap-season-7-episode-17-bart-nora-versus-godspeed/

[BeautifulFlower]

WOOHOOOOO ERIC DID SOMETHING RIGHT!!!!!

 

[Trini]

Yayyyyyy! They all look so beautiful! Now I just need a proper family portrait.

[ETA:] Maybe Eric Wallace can come out of hiding now, LOL!

Edited July 14, 2021 by Trini

[legaleagle53]

That is marvelous, considering that their first wedding was interrupted by Nazis from a parallel Earth and the second was a literal quickie ceremony involving Diggle that Oliver and Felicity decided to shoehorn their own ceremony into at the last second.

And how cool is it that Nora and Bart both get to be witnesses at their own parents' "romantic" wedding? Not many adult kids can say that they watched their parents get married before they were born!

[Trini]

Will they have the budget to hire a 3-year-old black girl for the vow renewal, or will Jenna be:

a) Taking a nap upstairs,

b) In the astral plane with Wally,

c) or kidnapped by next season's big bad, but no one notices?

[Primal Slayer]

5 hours ago, BeautifulFlower said:

WOOHOOOOO ERIC DID SOMETHING RIGHT!!!!!

 

Is it needed though so early? 

[Acceleration]

4 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

Is it needed though so early? 

Considering the fact that their wedding was first interrupted, then co-opted by Oliver and Felicity for some random double wedding, this is the breadcrumb that WestAllen-fans deserve. After all the garbage the frankly racist part of the fandom has put Candace/Iris through (looking at all the Snowbarry-stans with the biggest side eye) and especially since next season might be the last, this is honestly the right time if it were ever to happen (and I was not expecting it at all)

[Trini]

4 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

Is it needed though so early? 

Narratively, Barry & Iris have been through a lot in the three-ish years they've been married. And now they're embarking on a new chapter of their lives together as parents*, so I think a little family ceremony reaffirming their commitment to each other is appropriate.

*(Still sticking with my theory that Iris is pregnant.)

[SevenStars]

3 hours ago, Trini said:

Narratively, Barry & Iris have been through a lot in the three-ish years they've been married. And now they're embarking on a new chapter of their lives together as parents*, so I think a little family ceremony reaffirming their commitment to each other is appropriate.

*(Still sticking with my theory that Iris is pregnant.)

Also, narratively speaking, neithet Iris or Barry seems all that happy with the circumstances of how they got married(base on their comments after the crossover) they just accepted it because they badly wanted to be marry. 

So it makes sense for them to do this, and this time have it be something that is not done in a hurry and with their family/love ones there to witness, especially  with their children.

But it is most likely not them who planned this , might just be something Nora and Bart plan for them because they know their parents wanted something like this. 

[Trini]

Photos for the finale are out: https://flashtvnews.com/flash-season-finale-photos-barry-iris-renew-their-vows/45350

All are of the vow renewal (so far). Caitlin is there, but she's not actually properly in any of the photos. Wish they had put out more of Bart and Godspeed.

[BeautifulFlower]

19 hours ago, SevenStars said:

Also, narratively speaking, neithet Iris or Barry seems all that happy with the circumstances of how they got married(base on their comments after the crossover) they just accepted it because they badly wanted to be marry. 

So it makes sense for them to do this, and this time have it be something that is not done in a hurry and with their family/love ones there to witness, especially  with their children.

But it is most likely not them who planned this , might just be something Nora and Bart plan for them because they know their parents wanted something like this. 

For the love of me, I will never understand why Berlanti wanted a double wedding. Then, when the script was written, no one looked at it and thought "this could piss people off"? Seriously, what the hell? Them getting married next to puke wasn't cute either and still pisses me off.

 

[Starry]

2 hours ago, BeautifulFlower said:

For the love of me, I will never understand why Berlanti wanted a double wedding. Then, when the script was written, no one looked at it and thought "this could piss people off"? Seriously, what the hell? Them getting married next to puke wasn't cute either and still pisses me off.

I am not sure they realize that there's a time and place for some of their running gags like Diggle vomiting every time Barry gives him a "lift". They also think that when characters act quirky and cutesy or do things because they are very much in love people will perceive their actions as adorable and romantic instead of rude and inappropriate. It works for some, not so much for others.

Maybe they did know that people would be pissed off but they didn't care because it would get them to talk. Even with Iris, I am sure they are aware that some fans hate her for what she says or doesn't say about Oliver but they keep doing their thing and ignore their opinions.

Berlanti probably wanted a double wedding because he thought it would be cute for the story to circle back to the first crossovers and Oliver and Felicity's conversations with Barry about their love lives. I doubt many fans wanted a double wedding but maybe they would have been less angry about it if it was a planned ceremony and TPTB had bothered to write all the characters as friends instead of sidelining Iris during every crossover. Also, it was a huge fail to not give WestAllen a reception or honeymoon scene in the following episode.

 

On 7/15/2021 at 5:27 AM, Primal Slayer said:

Is it needed though so early? 

Yes because this season has been padded with fan service. I will happily take this though.

[SevenStars]

3 hours ago, BeautifulFlower said:

For the love of me, I will never understand why Berlanti wanted a double wedding. Then, when the script was written, no one looked at it and thought "this could piss people off"? Seriously, what the hell? Them getting married next to puke wasn't cute either and still pisses me off.

 

I think they just believed that Arrowverse two most popular couples getting married together would be a big fan service that fans would LOVE and go crazy for.  I don't think they were really wrong in that aspect but it was how they did it that turned it into something that a lot of fans/reviewers/media hated. 

I'm just really happy that the Flash writers decided to correct this stupidity before the show ends. And Iris is getting a MOH who actually loves her and support her. 

[Starry]

2 hours ago, SevenStars said:

I think they just believed that Arrowverse two most popular couples getting married together would be a big fan service that fans would LOVE and go crazy for.  I don't think they were really wrong in that aspect but it was how they did it that turned it into something that a lot of fans/reviewers/media hated. 

I'm just really happy that the Flash writers decided to correct this stupidity before the show ends. And Iris is getting a MOH who actually loves her and support her. 

I think they went about it in the worst way but they were also wrong for believing that many people would go crazy about a double wedding. In my experience, there isn't a lot of overlapping between shippers and even when there is, those who ship both tend to be more quiet. Taking this forum as an example, OF are not that popular among the WestAllen fans here and when I used to post in the crossover thread on the Arrow board the vast majority of the people there disliked WestAllen. Those who love both couples still wanted two weddings and for the characters to attend each other's wedding festivities.

I get that finding a maid of honor was a problem since they never bothered to give Iris a female friend but Caitlin was the worst choice, especially after they had spent season 3 actively pitting them against each other for no reason.

[BeautifulFlower]

3 hours ago, Starry said:

I think they went about it in the worst way but they were also wrong for believing that many people would go crazy about a double wedding. In my experience, there isn't a lot of overlapping between shippers and even when there is, those who ship both tend to be more quiet. Taking this forum as an example, OF are not that popular among the WestAllen fans here and when I used to post in the crossover thread on the Arrow board the vast majority of the people there disliked WestAllen. Those who love both couples still wanted two weddings and for the characters to attend each other's wedding festivities.

I get that finding a maid of honor was a problem since they never bothered to give Iris a female friend but Caitlin was the worst choice, especially after they had spent season 3 actively pitting them against each other for no reason.

The choices of for their wedding party was terrible period. I get these are main characters, so we won't see that much of their personal lives. But come on now? This show literally implied that neither Barry nor Iris have any close friends outside of their superhero friend group? If they can get extras for both sides of the wedding as guests, they could've gotten random people for best man and maid of honor. But noooooo...... we must have people we know even though it makes no sense.

[Trini]

11 hours ago, BeautifulFlower said:

On 7/15/2021 at 8:06 AM, SevenStars said:

Also, narratively speaking, neithet Iris or Barry seems all that happy with the circumstances of how they got married(base on their comments after the crossover) they just accepted it because they badly wanted to be marry. 

So it makes sense for them to do this, and this time have it be something that is not done in a hurry and with their family/love ones there to witness, especially  with their children.

But it is most likely not them who planned this , might just be something Nora and Bart plan for them because they know their parents wanted something like this. 

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For the love of me, I will never understand why Berlanti wanted a double wedding. Then, when the script was written, no one looked at it and thought "this could piss people off"? Seriously, what the hell? Them getting married next to puke wasn't cute either and still pisses me off.

Good points from everyone else who answered. My own theory is that only one or two producers actually thought this was a good idea but everyone else hated it, based on what the various writers did. Arrow writers had their own O/F wedding on Arrow; Flash threw shade; and the Legends writers wrote the wedding scene with fan favorite Felicity coming off as rude (even though there were other ways to get to the same conclusion).

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I myself want an entire wedding do over, but I'll settle for the vow renewal. It never made sense that Barry & Iris' wedding/s happened on another show/s. I'm especially happy their family is there for this.

In other spoilers; Jordan said there isn't a cliffhanger, but surely Wallace will have something at the end to set up Season 8's villain, or at least tease the story. I don't think he'd be able to resist - he loves his cliffhangers.

[cambridgeguy]

3 hours ago, BeautifulFlower said:

This show literally implied that neither Barry nor Iris have any close friends outside of their superhero friend group? If they can get extras for both sides of the wedding as guests, they could've gotten random people for best man and maid of honor. But noooooo...... we must have people we know even though it makes no sense.

That's pretty standard for all of the Arrowverse shows.  Sometimes that's understandable (see Oliver and Sara Lance with their presumed dead phases), sometimes it's not (someone as personable as Iris would NOT have gone through school and beyond while living in her hometown without having some friends around).  As for Barry, at least it's believable he'd consider Cisco and Oliver his closest friends.

[Starry]

3 hours ago, BeautifulFlower said:

The choices of for their wedding party was terrible period. I get these are main characters, so we won't see that much of their personal lives. But come on now? This show literally implied that neither Barry nor Iris have any close friends outside of their superhero friend group? If they can get extras for both sides of the wedding as guests, they could've gotten random people for best man and maid of honor. But noooooo...... we must have people we know even though it makes no sense.

I think adding random people in their wedding party would have been even worse. Best man and maid of honor are important roles. Cisco made sense for Barry but Caitlin was a terrible choice and that's only because the writers spent three years neglecting her relationship with Iris. At the time Iris and Caitlin were the only female regulars on the show. They should have bonded for that reason alone. And even outside of the Flash cast they should have never treated Iris like an outsider who's not good enough to hang out with the "cool guys and gals" because she has no powers or a scientific background. Her friendship with Felicity could have been built up during every crossover but at least they made it sound like they communicated off screen. I guess that's something.

[Trini]

He doesn't actually spoil anything in this clip, but Tom Cavanagh appearing in the finale might be considered a spoiler, so I'm putting this here, even though it was daytime TV:

 

[Trini]

Also sounds like Season 8 starts filming mid-August, which sounds about right.

http://www.hollywoodnorth.buzz/2021/07/new-season-the-flash-with-grant-gustin-plans-to-start-filming-season-8-mid-august-in-vancouver.html

I'm still thinking that the first few episodes might be Grant-lite, because his baby is due approximately in August -- if my guessimation is correct.

[Starry]

I'd rather they move up production than have the supporting cast carry episodes in Barry's place. But then I don't think Grant will get that much time off. I guess we'll see.

It seems they will have 18 (?) episodes for season 8 too. I hope they won't be as strict with the restrictions. I can't do another year of no fighting, no kissing and no touching.

[Trini]

7 hours ago, Starry said:

It seems they will have 18 (?) episodes for season 8 too. I hope they won't be as strict with the restrictions. I can't do another year of no fighting, no kissing and no touching.

Same. These last few episodes did ease up a bit, and I'm assuming there will be more vaccinations among the cast and crew by the time they come back, so hopefully it's a bit better next season.

[legaleagle53]

10 hours ago, Starry said:

I'd rather they move up production than have the supporting cast carry episodes in Barry's place. But then I don't think Grant will get that much time off. I guess we'll see.

Legally, he's entitled to up to 90 days of paternity leave under the FMLA.

[Trini]

9 minutes ago, legaleagle53 said:

Legally, he's entitled to up to 90 days of paternity leave under the FMLA.

Does that apply if one works in Canada?

[Starry]

Sorry I phrased it wrong. I meant that I don't think he will take that much time off. It's just a feeling I have. Selfishly, I do not want him to because five crossover episodes carried by the supporting cast sounds like a nightmare. I wish I knew in advance how the first graphic novel would look like so I can decide whether season 8 starts in 2022 for me.

14 hours ago, Trini said:

Same. These last few episodes did ease up a bit, and I'm assuming there will be more vaccinations among the cast and crew by the time they come back, so hopefully it's a bit better next season.

I don't want to be a buzzkill but I think they only eased up on the restrictions because they were about to wrap for the season and were less worried about shutdowns. They need to stop asking the actors about this and start asking the showrunner. For Batwoman, Caroline Dries explained why they didn't do justice to Ryan's romances and said it was going to be rectified in season 3. Eric needs to do the same and tell me if they are going to massively cut down on the PDA/fight scenes for season 8 too.

Is quarantine still mandatory in Canada?

[Trini]

15 hours ago, Starry said:

Is quarantine still mandatory in Canada?

Not if you're vaccinated, starting in August.

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A couple non-spoiler tweets from people who got screeners:

 

 

[Trini]

One more:

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So they saved the best for last? I just wish we had more episodes like this earlier and consistently in the season.

[BeautifulFlower]

On 7/19/2021 at 4:25 AM, Starry said:

Sorry I phrased it wrong. I meant that I don't think he will take that much time off. It's just a feeling I have. Selfishly, I do not want him to because five crossover episodes carried by the supporting cast sounds like a nightmare. I wish I knew in advance how the first graphic novel would look like so I can decide whether season 8 starts in 2022 for me.

I don't want to be a buzzkill but I think they only eased up on the restrictions because they were about to wrap for the season and were less worried about shutdowns. They need to stop asking the actors about this and start asking the showrunner. For Batwoman, Caroline Dries explained why they didn't do justice to Ryan's romances and said it was going to be rectified in season 3. Eric needs to do the same and tell me if they are going to massively cut down on the PDA/fight scenes for season 8 too.

Is quarantine still mandatory in Canada?

I don't get how Covid affected the fight scenes period. I can understand if Barry is the type to do hand to hand combat, but he isn't. We barely see that on the show. I've seen behind the scenes footage of them filming fights. Their fights are literally special efx fights with CGI. No one is doing any type of closeups. Therefore, I don't get them being affected like this.

As for PDA, they could've done quick pecks. No one was asking for full blown make outs.

[Trini]

CW released more promo photos for the finale, but if you want be surprised for at least a few things, maybe don't look (and avoid social media, etc.).

I will say that I'm really glad we've got Speedster WestAllen photo now! 😍

[Trini]

From Jessica P. K.'s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CRkL9z0hXdC/

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Season Finale TONIGHT⚡️
Get the tissues. I cried three times while filming this scene.

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