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[Trini]

A flashback to 2013, around the time that Barry got his powers? Or just before?

Danielle Nicolet's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CVDvDGIpqJH/

Edited October 18, 2021 by Trini

[RedVitC]

I think Barry got his powers in 2014. If the events of the pilot after the timejump take place in oct, then he also got into a coma in 2014

It'd be interesting to see a flashback to before Barry got into a coma. See what everyone's life was like before all of this happened

[cambridgeguy]

Hey, Barry actually goes back to the Hall of Justice, so his recruitment drive will be hilarious.

Superman?  Unavailable.  Supergirl?  Also unavailable.  Martian Manhunter?  Sorry.  Sara?  Nope.  Batwoman?  Not the one you know. 

[Primal Slayer]

50 minutes ago, cambridgeguy said:

Hey, Barry actually goes back to the Hall of Justice, so his recruitment drive will be hilarious.

Superman?  Unavailable.  Supergirl?  Also unavailable.  Martian Manhunter?  Sorry.  Sara?  Nope.  Batwoman?  Not the one you know. 

Anybody with powers? unavailable. 

They may want to do a big reveal for Desperos true form but....im tired of the human aliens. Its beyond generic at this point.

[Trini]

36 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

They may want to do a big reveal for Desperos true form but....im tired of the human aliens. Its beyond generic at this point.

It doesn't look like any of the VFX shots were ready; all the ones with Flash's speed/lightning were from previous episodes.

Also generic is (at this point in the Arrow-verse, anyway) is yet another world-ending event -- but somehow the most powerful heroes are absent.

Tired of Whichever Wells -- we can't miss you if you don't leave, Cavanagh! (I know that's more the writers' fault, though.)

Kinda sad that Team Flash is down to the newbies and Caitlin. No shot of Frost, but I'm sure she's involved; there was a shot of Chillblaine - whyyyy??

Really glad we're getting Flash/Black Lightning together again! Also looking forward to Batwoman and Ryan Choi.

Curran is doing his best; let's see how much that helps the writing.

[Trini]

Looks like the flashback is to the Pilot:

 

[Trini]

JWS posted a photo of himself and Jordan and Jessica, and he's finished filming apparently: https://www.instagram.com/p/CVioh0iPUyV/

This Flash family episode (episodes?) is more intriguing to me than the crossover story. I just wonder why they seem to be time traveling, and is it just Bart and Nora, or is Barry with them too?

[Trini]

I can see the next episodes after the 'crossover' being Barry (& Iris?) light, to give Grant a break. With Cosnett, Shipp, Fisher, and Jessica, that's a lot of guest stars for a non-crossover episode.

[Trini]

Not new info, but the synopsis for the premiere was released:

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"Armageddon, Part 1" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV- PG, LV) (HDTV)

PART ONE OF THE ARMAGEDDON FIVE EPISODE EVENT - When a powerful alien threat arrives on Earth under mysterious circumstances, Barry (Grant Gustin), Iris (Candice Patton) and the rest of Team Flash are pushed to their limits in a desperate battle to save the world. But with time running out and the fate of humanity at stake, Flash and his companions will also need to enlist the help of some old friends if the forces of good are to prevail. Brandon Routh guest stars.

Eric Dean Seaton directed the episode written by Eric Wallace (#801). Original airdate 11/16/2021.

 

 

Looks like it's only one or two guest heroes per episode.

[Oreo2234]

Comicbook.com has the Armageddon crossover poster. 

[cambridgeguy]

On 10/30/2021 at 10:08 PM, Trini said:

Looks like it's only one or two guest heroes per episode.

Even though it likely wouldn't happen I hope Alex and Mia meet.  They can talk about whether or not a green hood or a blue hood looks better.  Alex can also tell Mia the mask is unnecessary, a little bit of eye shadow is all you need to hide your identity.

[Trini]

Wait, maybe Ryan Choi did make the poster?

Is that his belt buckle(?) in the background right of the poster? It's easier to see in the landscape version:

https://twitter.com/CW18Milwaukee/status/1456085273025163266

Edited November 4, 2021 by Trini

[cambridgeguy]

Episode 2 synopsis.  More time-sickness nonsense or whatever the heck Iris is still suffering from?

THE FLASH SEEKS HELP FROM BLACK LIGHTNING - Despero (guest star Tony Curran) warns The Flash (Grant Gustin) that great tragedies will befall the speedster and cause him to lose his mind. Once that happens, Armageddon will begin. Determined to prove Despero wrong, Barry doubles down on proving his innocence but a devastating revelation from Iris (Candice Patton) pushes him to the edge and sends him to seek counsel from Black Lightning (guest star Cress Williams). Menhaj Huda directed the episode written by Jonathan Butler & Gabriel Garza. 

[Trini]

3 hours ago, cambridgeguy said:

Episode 2 synopsis.  More time-sickness nonsense or whatever the heck Iris is still suffering from?

THE FLASH SEEKS HELP FROM BLACK LIGHTNING - Despero (guest star Tony Curran) warns The Flash (Grant Gustin) that great tragedies will befall the speedster and cause him to lose his mind. Once that happens, Armageddon will begin. Determined to prove Despero wrong, Barry doubles down on proving his innocence but a devastating revelation from Iris (Candice Patton) pushes him to the edge and sends him to seek counsel from Black Lightning (guest star Cress Williams). Menhaj Huda directed the episode written by Jonathan Butler & Gabriel Garza. 

Kind of weirdly written synopsis -- however, I'm trying not to nitpick plot stuff before seeing the episodes because I really have no expectations for Season 8. Looking forward to Cress/Black Lightning, though.

On the other hand, it a bit encouraging that Butler & Garza are this one, and judging from the previous episodes that this director has done for the Flash, there should be some good performances from the leads.

[Starry]

Didn't Eric say that they are not dealing with Iris' time sickness until after the crossover or did I dream of it?

"Determined to prove Despero wrong, Barry doubles down on proving his innocence". I am definitely confused.

[Trini]

6 hours ago, Starry said:

"Determined to prove Despero wrong, Barry doubles down on proving his innocence". I am definitely confused.

Yeah, we're missing some info here.

 

6 hours ago, Starry said:

Didn't Eric say that they are not dealing with Iris' time sickness until after the crossover or did I dream of it?

He did; perhaps it factors into the Armageddon story a bit, but it's not the main story and it doesn't get resolved until late in the season.

[legaleagle53]

Well, unless the timeline somehow gets reset again, Iris is due to get pregnant with Nora sometime in 2022.

[Trini]

More premiere photos are out: https://flashtvnews.com/the-flash-armageddon-part-1-photos-are-here/45416

[Trini]

1 hour ago, Trini said:

More premiere photos are out: https://flashtvnews.com/the-flash-armageddon-part-1-photos-are-here/45416

Thought it was interesting that Chester has a press pass; is he working for CCC now too?

And I'm a little concerned that there's no sign of Joe (in the photos or the promo), but Cecile is there.

[Trini]

3 hours ago, legaleagle53 said:

Well, unless the timeline somehow gets reset again, Iris is due to get pregnant with Nora sometime in 2022.

Maybe - I can't even get excited when I know the showrunner isn't interested in a pregnancy arc.

[Starry]

6 hours ago, Trini said:

Maybe - I can't even get excited when I know the showrunner isn't interested in a pregnancy arc.

I don't care either. The pregnancy announcement is going to be the last scene of the series so why should I bother?

I am curious about the crossover event because I like Ray, Jefferson and Ryan but nothing I've heard about the regular characters interests me. Granted, I didn't hear much but to me it looks like this time sickness nonsense is just an excuse to write Candice out of some episodes.

[Trini]

Imagine sucking all the fun out of a superpowered pregnancy on a sci-fi/fantasy show. ::sigh::

 

3 hours ago, Starry said:

... Granted, I didn't hear much but to me it looks like this time sickness nonsense is just an excuse to write Candice out of some episodes.

Well yeah; wasn't it basically invented to excuse Candice's absence? And now Wallace is trying to make it a whole subplot. And that concerns me because him winging it is how we got Season 7.

(As an aside, I'm not giving Wallace the benefit of "well, Covid" this season; because I watched so many other shows who also dealt with that, and they managed their stories a lot better.)

[cambridgeguy]

19 hours ago, Trini said:

Imagine sucking all the fun out of a superpowered pregnancy on a sci-fi/fantasy show. ::sigh::

There's nothing fun about a TV pregnancy, superpowered or otherwise.  They'd lean into the cliches (cue bitching about reducing Iris to a not so flattering stereotype, turning Barry into an overprotective asshole, etc.) or use it as an excuse to give Iris superpowers, like they did with Cecile. 

[Starry]

7 hours ago, cambridgeguy said:

There's nothing fun about a TV pregnancy, superpowered or otherwise.  They'd lean into the cliches (cue bitching about reducing Iris to a not so flattering stereotype, turning Barry into an overprotective asshole, etc.) or use it as an excuse to give Iris superpowers, like they did with Cecile. 

Is that what happened when they made Felicity pregnant?

I don't mind overprotective Barry and I don't find him to be an asshole. It's actually a nice contrast to Iris' SBW writing. People complained before the wedding when they made Iris a "bridezilla" stereotype ( 🙄 ) but it was her detractors who found the writing unflattering and not her fans.

My issue is that they are already doing some obnoxious things with Iris like sidelining her in her own storylines or giving her random powers (I can't stress how much I HATE this time sickness nonsense). If I have to suffer through this, I might as well get some pregnancy fluff out of it even though Barry and Iris already knowing they are going to have kids makes it less special.

I guess this is a YMMV situation because on another show I watch I was only able to tolerate the main couple after they got pregnant.

[scarynikki12]

8 hours ago, Starry said:

Is that what happened when they made Felicity pregnant?

Black Siren figured out she was pregnant because there was no wine on the counter and then a few episodes later the season ended so they really didn't have time to do them. 

Whenever they have Iris get pregnant, unless they do a time jump to after Nora's birth, they'll have many more episodes to give in to the urge to cliche it up so we should assume it will happen.

[Trini]

16 hours ago, cambridgeguy said:

There's nothing fun about a TV pregnancy, superpowered or otherwise.  They'd lean into the cliches (cue bitching about reducing Iris to a not so flattering stereotype, turning Barry into an overprotective asshole, etc.) or use it as an excuse to give Iris superpowers, like they did with Cecile. 

I guess we'll have to disagree; I think there are fun things that can be done with a pregnancy on a show with superpowers. And I'm totally for Iris getting powers, because it would make sense, unlike with Cecile where it decidedly did NOT make sense.

8 hours ago, Starry said:

... If I have to suffer through this, I might as well get some pregnancy fluff out of it ...

Yes - pregnancy fluff is what I want! Barry & Iris deserve some fluff after getting put through the ringer every season. Not to mention Barry's family is an important and central part of the show, so I'd rather they didn't skip over that part.

[Trini]

'Max Adler Returning as The Hotness' -- He was the guy in 4.16 who got fire powers transferred to him.

[Trini]

Grant Gustin gives a better idea of how some of the announced characters fit into the story in this interview at TVLine: https://tvline.com/2021/11/11/the-flash-season-8-grant-gustin-preview-armageddon-event/

I trust Grant, but he's not in charge of the final edits.

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TVLINE | How do we get the first whiff that Armageddon is coming?

We’re dealing with the Royal Flush gang, who first showed up [on The Flash] in Season 1, I believe. They’ve also kind of leveled up, but Barry is handling them pretty easily. Then, towards the very end of the episode, Despero shows up for the first time and essentially says that Barry is going to be the cause of the Armageddon to come. Barry first of all is in disbelief and tries to tell Despero that this is just not possible, but there’s enough evidence that Despero gives to leave Barry pretty concerned that this future is something that might end up happening.

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What I’ve been trying to figure out, ever since this event and the casting was announced, is: What skin do Damien Darhk and Eobard Thawne have in the game?

Well, we’re going to see a couple of different timelines, I guess you could say. It’s cool, it’s a bit of an alternate reality that we’re going to be in. That was another thing, I had a blast working with Neal [McDonough} and Tom [Cavanagh]. I had never worked with Neal before, and their parts in our storyline are integral and pretty cool.

 

[Trini]

A few tidbits from Grant's EW interview: https://ew.com/tv/the-flash-grant-gustin-armageddon-preview/

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... But the whole reason Barry goes to Jefferson during the "Armageddon" five-parter is for a very specific reason, for the powers that Jefferson has. He needs him specifically to help him achieve something that is kind of a dark twist in, I believe, the second episode.

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[Barry & Iris are] doing well. When we pick up, everybody is in a good place. We get to see them having this nice little romantic dinner at home that is comedically interrupted by one of our guest stars that shows up, but they're in a good place. We're still getting the signs that they'd like to start a family and move forward with their lives. But Despero's arrival and everything else kind of gets in the way of all that. Iris is still dealing with her time sickness, and Barry is not aware of that at this point. That's one thing Iris has going on that we'll start to get hints of.

 

[Trini]

“Armageddon, Part 3” synopsis:

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BLACK LIGHTNING, RYAN WILDER, ALEX DANVERS AND RYAN CHOI APPEAR –

Barry (Grant Gustin) meets Black Lightning (guest star Cress Williams) at the Hall of Justice after things take a dire turn with Despero (guest star Tony Curran). Iris (Candice Patton) suspects something is off with Despero’s vision of the future so she seeks help from a powerful ally. Javicia Leslie, Chyler Leigh and Osric Chau guest star.

Chris Peppe directed the episode written by Sam Chalsen (#803). Original airdate 11/30/2021.

 

[cambridgeguy]

I really, really hope Iris tried to contact Kara or J'onn and ended up getting stuck with Alex.  I don't think those three guest stars play characters who really count as powerful allies.

[Oreo2234]

Alex at least has a lot of experience with Aliens. 

[Trini]

Trying to glean some actual info from these Wallace interviews:

https://theflashpodcast.com/interviews/exclusive-interview-the-flash-boss-eric-wallace-armageddon/

https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2021/11/12/showrunner-eric-wallace-discusses-the-return-of-the-flash/

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[crossing out some of Eric's fluff for my own sanity - LOL]

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... This is Barry’s story. It’s the story of Barry’s worst day ever, how it affects his marriage, and how it affects Iris. ...

... Cosmic proportions are at jeopardy in Armageddon. But we’re telling it in a very small, intimate way that’s so Barry and Iris-centric, ...

I doubt it will affect anything since he also says (essentially) that things will be back to the status quo by the end anyway.

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... Everybody knows [Batwoman], everybody loves her. She’s a hero in her own right. Barry knows her. So she fits right in. ...

Sounds like they'll establish that Team Flash has met Batwoman/Ryan before these events; I wonder how that lines up with Batwoman's continuity.

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... I have to say there’s a really great speech in one of the episodes, where we get an incredible moment between Iris and Mia. ...

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... The events of Armageddon touch throughout the entire season. Also, the events of the Godspeed War too spin out a little bit. ...

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... I think by the time Armageddon ends, and especially as we transition after Armageddon, we have a few episodes what are called Interlude episodes, which are our standalone ones. As we go into the next graphic novel, and if all goes well, the plan is to have 3 graphic novels this year. <...> But those next two graphic novels, knock on wood if we can get that 7th one out – because this will be 5, 6, and 7 – all of the seeds are being planted in Armageddon, all of them. ...

IF?? Why can't he plan?? He knows exactly how many episodes there is. And even if the arcs are shorter, 3 still seems like too many, especially if he also doing "interlude" episodes too. Nothing wrong with a filler/standalone episode, but last time he did three in a row, and that did NOT work. I can already see that third arc flailing.

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... Iris’ time sickness is a huge part of this season. It does have its place in Armageddon in a good way. But for Iris, if Armageddon is Barry’s worst day ever, the fallout of Armageddon is Iris’ worst month ever. Because her time sickness isn’t going to get better overnight, it’s going to get worse. What happens as a result of this is going to change Team Flash forever. ...

More Iris torture, yay.

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... you’re going to see a side of both Reverse-Flash and Damien Darhk that you may not have seen before. I think one of the most powerful [scenes] – in fact, there’s two, as far as the villains are concerned – two of the most powerful scenes in the entire Armageddon 5-episode event. One is between Reverse Flash and Caitlin <...> that sent shivers down my spine. Because there are 8 years of relationship anger that needs to be worked out between these two people! ...

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... I think everyone’s a little grayer, if I can use that term, and that’s true for Despero, Reverse Flash, and Damien Darhk, who are all bad guys. ...

 

[Trini]

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... we find [Barry & Iris] relaxing and enjoying time as a couple. It’s wonderful. But the title of the story is “Armageddon,” and because drama demands that conflict happens and unfortunately for Barry and Iris, “Armageddon” is the story of Barry’s worst day and what that means for his marriage.  ...

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... But we’re going to see Iris in season eight at the top of her game. ...

I'm sure this one scene will be great.

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... And there was a scene between Barry and Caitlin of all people very early in part one I won’t spoil it, but we will be laid out literally Barry’s theme and the journey is and then in the second half of part one, you see how it actually ties into the appearance of Despero and why there’s a fight going on and why Armageddon is impending. ...

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... This is a five-part Flash storyline that’s slightly bigger, that steeps into Barry’s emotions. This is really Barry’s worst day and we’re getting deeper into his journey and how it affects Iris and how it affects their marriage together. <...> with the COVID pandemic still upon us, we can’t do the amount of extremes we would usually do. <...> That meant we had to go inward, not outward. So I think this is one of Barry’s most personal crises yet.

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... It’s going to look pretty dire there around Part Four!

 

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... Iris and Batwoman. Finally, these two powerful Black women are going to come together at last and have a real moment. <...>

there were two guest stars who before I made any other decisions were absolutely integral to the story that we’re trying to tell because of the way they relate to Barry and Iris’ emotional journey. <...> And those two characters were Black Lightning and Batwoman. They were the first two people I knew I had to get on this job in order for this story to work, ...

Well, I don't trust the writers on this; but I trust the actors will elevate these scenes.

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... a final confrontation between Flash and Reverse-Flash has been brewing since Season One. We’re going to get a little closer down that road because if you recall, at the end of last season, the Flash got faster, and that did not make Eobard very happy at all. The question is what’s Eobard going to do about it? Right? And how does that fit in with Despero’s agenda? ...

 

[Trini]

Tease for the post-Armageddon part of the season; from the season 8 description:

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... The Flash and his team—<...>—must once again defy impossible odds to save the day. But their victory is short-lived as two new threats rise from the ashes of “Armageddon,” one of which will unleash unforeseen horrors into the lives of Barry and his teammates… and change Team Flash forever.

 

I think Wallace wants to do more with Godspeed, but I guessing it will be just one episode (a standalone?), since there are "new threats" after the crossover.

[Trini]

Photos for 8.02, Part 2 of 'Armageddon' are out. (No one has them hi-def yet, will edit with a link later)

There's Flash and Despero outdoors; Team Flash meeting at the Westallen loft, so I guess something goes wrong at STAR Labs in part 1; Barry & Iris in the loft; Flash and Black Lightning at the Hall of Justice; and one of Barry and Kristin Kramer.

ETA: https://bleedingcool.com/tv/the-flash-s08-new-armageddon-part-2-images-black-lightning-more/

Edited November 16, 2021 by Trini

[Trini]

So, both taking advantage of, and ignoring the shared universe:

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Ah, ye olde Why Can’t a Super Simply Intervene? conundrum. I delivered your Q to Grant Gustin, who responded, “That’s a very good question; unfortunately, I think the realistic, boring answer is because of scheduling, life, Supergirl wrapping up….” Meaning, there will be no in-story accounting for the Kryptonian cousins’ absence. “I wish there was,” Gustin said, “but no, there’s no acknowledgement of our [hero] aliens.”

Inside Line at TVLine.

Really? Not even one line from Alex, who's right there? But bless Grant for actually answering questions.

[Trini]

Wallace mentions that the Supergirl finale was filming at the same time as the crossover, so it difficult to impossible to get people from that show, in this interview:

https://www.cbr.com/flash-armageddon-eric-wallace-interview/

Other info:

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There's quite an epic fight between Despero and Flash at the climax of "Armageddon," as you would expect.

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... So I kind of indulged my inner geek fanboy, and now we have not one Atom, but two.

<...> Even though they're not necessarily together in the same section of the story or the same storyline, they both have their own unique journeys and paths that they're on during "Armageddon," but we get to see two sides of the same kind of power set, and it's really funny and really exciting.

...

Now mind you, I want to temper your expectations. I never used the word team up, mind you. Be very mindful of that. I said they're in the same story; that's two different things. ...

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... Eddie is not in "Armageddon." Eddie is part of a separate graphic novel. <...>

So at the end of last season, Reverse-Flash -- he's a pretty pissed-off dude. Why? Because The Flash is faster now. If there's one question that "Armageddon" answers, it's, "Well, if you can't outrun your foe, what do you do to beat him?" That's where Eobard Thawne will start in "Armageddon." That's really the question for him, and that question gets answered throughout all of Season 8, ...

 

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[Trini]

Grant coming through again with info!

https://www.tvinsider.com/1022109/the-flash-armageddon-season-8-grant-gustin/

Some post- Armageddon teases:

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... I saw Candice a lot throughout this first five-parter. We worked together quite a bit. And now we’re shooting, I want to say episode eight or nine, and we’ve seen a lot more of each other this season than we had last season. But at the same time, we also see Barry’s growth this year as a leader in his own right. He’s maturing and when emotional, tough things happen, he handles it a little differently than he has in the past. We are actually seeing each of them on their own paths as well, which is cool.

We haven’t been separated like we were with the mirror-universe storyline, but she’s got a lot going on with the CCC—Central City Citizen Media. <...> We’re seeing them together a lot, but we’re also seeing them kind of take ownership of what their own personal lives are, which is cool.

 

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... We definitely put a bow on “Armageddon” and we move into, as Eric always describes it, our next graphic novel. But we don’t jump right into our next graphic novel. There’s a stretch of episodes and then we’re propelled specifically into what feels like, “Oh, this is the next chapter” a few episodes later. ...

Ugh no - he's doing multiple filler eps in a row AGAIN. That did not work the last time; and it won't work again especially if the leads are not in them.

[Trini]

'Armageddon: Part 4' synopsis:

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"Armageddon, Part 4" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

BARRY FACES OFF WITH EOBARD THAWNE - Barry (Grant Gustin) is shocked when Eobard Thawne (guest star Tom Cavanagh) returns in the most unexpected way, and with a tie to a loved one.

Damien Darhk (guest star Neal McDonough) offers advice to Barry but there is a catch.

An epic battle begins with Reverse Flash pitted against The Flash, Team Flash, Batwoman (guest star Javicia Leslie), Sentinel (guest star Chyler Leigh) and Ryan Choi (guest star Osric Chau).

Chad Lowe directed the episode written by Lauren Barnett (#804). Original airdate 12/7/2021.

 

"Eobard Thawne returns in the most unexpected way,"  -- Again?

"and with a tie to a loved one." -- Yet again?

It's a little tiresome, because I know they're not actually ready to finish the Reverse Flash story now, so of course he'll get away, and we'll see him again. That's not necessarily a plot hole, but the last few times Barry essentially just lets him walk away, and that's a problem.

Anyway; It's got to be Reverse Flash that's really the cause of "Armageddon", right?

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ETA:

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Trini

[Trini]

Sounds like Butler and Garza might come through for me - fingers crossed!

[Trini]

8.03 photos are out: https://flashtvnews.com/flash-armageddon-part-3-photos-released/45494

All are at the Hall of Justice; Barry, Jefferson Pierce, Iris, Deon, and Despero.

[Trini]

I guess they released this early because it's a holiday weekend?

8.05 synopsis:

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THE EXCITING CONCLUSION TO THE FIVE PART ARMAGEDDON EVENT BRINGS THE RETURN OF MIA QUEEN –

The conclusion to Armageddon presents an opportunity for The Flash (Grant Gustin) to end his lifelong battle with Reverse Flash (guest star Tom Cavanagh) for good, but the payoff could be too much for Barry and team to handle.

Meanwhile, Mia Queen (guest star Katherine McNamara) drops in from the future looking to save a lost loved one, and she won’t let anything stand in her way.

Menhaj Huda directed the episode written by Kristen Kim (#805). Original airdate 12/14/2021.

 

Ugh - Kim on this one? Without a co-writer? With a subplot that sounds like it has nothing to do with the rest of this crossover? Not encouraging.

"but the payoff could be too much for Barry and team to handle." -- Well, the end of Reverse Flash is being drawn out as I expected.  :(

[Featherhat]

Kat has given quotes that make it seem as though her appearance ties in with Armageddon even though I assume she arrives there looking for ways to save William. At the very least she should have some insight into the future. 

They'll drag Reverse Flash out until the show's finale. 

 

[Trini]

https://ew.com/tv/the-flash-season-8-robbie-amell-return/

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EW has exclusively learned that Robbie Amell, who portrayed Ronnie Raymond, one half of the original Firestorm, is returning to the CW's speedy superhero drama for two episodes. His homecoming will begin in season 8's 11th episode, though the circumstances of Amell's guest spots are under wraps and locked away in the Time Vault.

 

Of course Ronnie returns just when Caitlin is ready to date again - LOL! But I did like Robbie and Ronnie, so I'm okay with seeing him again.

I have a feeling this isn't just for a flashback, or as some type of dream/manifestation like his last appearance. So either they close off Caitlin/Ronnie for good (less likely because that relationship was already literally dead), OR this sets up Caitlin's exit if she goes off with her husband. (It probably won't be Panabaker's exit though; she as Frost will stay.)

Of course, all this speculation assumes Robbie will be playing Ronnie; it's possible he's not. (Wallace loves his 'twists'.)

[Featherhat]

I can't see any reason they'd bring back Ronnie this late in the game unless it was to give Caitlin a potential "happy ending" of some sort with him. He's been gone since S2 and she's dated plenty after that and they've already done the "I want you to be happy" stuff before. 

It feels like when they brought back Roy for a couple of episodes of Arrow and Thea left with him. Although we all knew WH was leaving and I'd be surprised if DP actually left. 

That said it is possible he's playing someone else. But maximum impact would actually be as Ronnie via Crisis somehow. 

Ronnie's the only one I've actually liked with Caitlin and it's a shame RA couldn't commit to being a guest star longer term (although we may never never have got Jax and I loved Jax on LOT). 

[Trini]

Photos for Armageddon Part 4 are out: https://flashtvnews.com/the-flash-armageddon-part-4-photos-are-here/45520

Iris and Batwoman at the loft; the guests (stars) at the West/Thawne party; Flash and Reverse Flash with switched costumes; Barry meets with Damien Darhk.

Along with the other characters we know, there's also a 'Marcus' at the West/Thawne party -- guess that's Caitlin's new love interest?