S48.E10: My Enemies are Plottin'

[Rodney]

The Reward Challenge is good enough to sing for when Jeff announces what is on the line for the winners.  A rice negotiation with Probst at the Immunity Challenge is completed in almost record time.  Then, at Tribal Council, it’s a toss-up when two players on the bottom begin to target each other.

This is the episode's discussion thread for after the episode airs.

[Rodney]

Tonight, we could've seen a big move.  But fuck Mitch for being one of the biggest, wussiest players ever and ruining it.

Sad to see Star go.  But at least she tried to get something going.

Honestly, Mitch would deserve to go next.  But unless he, Kamilla, and Mary try something next week, I feel like the latter would.

[dizzyd]

I want a refund for my 90 minutes.

[Carey]

Just use those 90 minutes for whenever you can't fall asleep one night

[LadyChatts]

I guess whoever writes the episode descriptions was so bored by this episode that they couldn't even hide what was going to happen.  But I was still hoping we were getting punked, and either "two players on the bottom begin to target each other" was a diversion or not the expected bottom two people.  

Mitch, I was rooting for you, but I will have my popcorn ready when you realize you got played.  These people aren't your friends, and it seems like you were maybe sort of figuring it out when Kyle didn't pick you for the reward. 

How was Star a threat again?  She has nobody in this game.  She hasn't been let in on any plans.  She's not a challenge threat, unless they decided to have a rap battle, and then she might stand a chance.  I'm so sad she gave Eva her idol.  Why is Eva not even mentioned as a possible threat?

Speaking of Eva, she and Joe were so overconfident tonight that I thought maybe something was going to go down.  I have to think something is coming but the way this season is going, it's probably part of one of their winner's reel.  I really don't like Eva and wish she could get blindsided out of the game.  But Mary and Mitch are probably going next in some order.  It'll be interesting how Kyle tries to save Kamilla when it's down to the 4 plus her.  I'm really so sick of this honesty and integrity crap this season.

But so long Star!  Sorry we didn't see more of her.  She seemed way more entertaining than half of the stuff we've seen so far this season.

Edited May 1 by LadyChatts

[mojoween]

Well fuck.  Star was so damn fun.  I want to meet her and be friends in real life.

It would be super awesome if Joe would stop kissing things.

[Carey]

Dear David,

If You Keep Making That Face, It'll Stay That Way

Love, Chrissy

[KeithJ]

32 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

Speaking of Eva, she and Joe were so overconfident tonight that I thought maybe something was going to go down.  I have to think something is coming but the way this season is going, it's probably part of one of their winner's reel.  I really don't like Eva and wish she could get blindsided out of the game.  

They would have to do it next week wouldn’t they?  She has her safety without power and an idol.  If she gets through next week, she makes the final four.

[bunnyface]

I'm so tired of the teeter table spelling challenge.  I like that it's a challenge anyone can win and not just the strong guy, even tho the strong guy won.  But surely they can find something else to full that slot.

I really was hoping thr ragtags could pull something out but Mitch who doesn't trust anyone can't be trusted himself.  So...that doesn't help.

[tinkerbell]

It wasn't too long ago that I liked Eva.  Like others have said, she is over confident. She comes across as entitled, thinking she is safe and protected. I dont see anything likeable in her any more.

[dancingdreamer]

Davids scowl made me lol. Honestly  David, and did he dye his hair. 

I definitely would have voted Mary out over Star. Star wouldn't win a challenge, Mary might. I loved Star calling Jeff, Uncle JP.

They are going to have to take Eva out by surprise, although,  even in the F4, I don't  see her winning,  her social game is sadly lacking.

I love the immunity  necklace  this season. 

[TVFan1]

I didn't want to see anybody at the bottom go. Relieved Mary was spared, but losing Star still sucks. I guess Mary could be the next one to go, but I hope not. She's the only one I'm rooting for. When Joe won immunity, they could have easily shifted the target to Shauhin or Eva if Mitch was on board. I wonder where Kamilla is on the alliance, I guess she is after Mary or maybe Mitch. Speaking of Mitch, he seems like someone you would want to take to the final 3 to win against. He hasn't really done anything than be social. I can't see him win.

[Steph Sometimes]

I really need to know what Wendell thinks about Star's raps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpBEUfXwLak

Edited May 1 by Steph Sometimes

[Lantern7]

Meh episode. I tune out the political talk, so I don't have a mad-on for Mitch. At least Star was entertaining on her way out. When Probst said her name first, I thought Mary's time was up. Seldom does he start the tally with the person with the most votes.

Like I said in the live thread: I like chicken, I like waffles, but those two together aren't as awesome as I'd want. Taking a shot of whipped cream straight from the nozzle, then going for the chicken? That's just weird, Joe.

[LadyChatts]

8 hours ago, KeithJ said:

They would have to do it next week wouldn’t they?  She has her safety without power and an idol.  If she gets through next week, she makes the final four.

How long is her safety without power good for?  I thought it was final 7 which would be next week but I’m not sure that’s right.  However if anyone wants to make a move against Joe or Eva their time is running out.  It’s crazy to me we don’t even see her name came up.  

[thesupremediva1]

What a frustrating episode, and season.

Chrissy was right that the muscle group would dominate the game. Joe is on his third immunity now. 
David was 100% right on about Kyle and Camilla. He just went about it the wrong way and no one listened.

I’m gobsmacked that Camilla is willing to let Kyle play her and leave her on the outs. She’s his #1 til final 5 when his bromance with Joe wins out.

I can’t believe how many people are clinging to the “popular” group. Make a move or wait to be picked off. Geez. Doesn’t make for an interesting season.

[violet and green]

David on the Jury was giving Blue Steel, hard.

I am so cross with Mitch for 1) mocking and jeering at Star as a potential ally to actually, finally, make a move and 2) whimping out on said move.

'All the bulky, hunky, strong, Herculean people' as Mary called them, are going to romp their way casually and with a strong sense of entitlement to the end now.

Ugh.

Edit to add: Oh, and I'm mad at Kyle for not joining Kamilla after almost tanking his game to keep her in, because he's confided things to Joe and is all close with him now. WTF.

 

Edited May 1 by violet and green

[Haleth]

It was pretty apparent Star was leaving in the first few minutes because the editors finally allowed her to speak.

I still like everyone left. Even Eva. I still really, really want to see Joe win and will be sad if he gets booted, but I’d be happy for any of the remainders winning at this point. TPTB found a very likable (IMO) cast this season. 

[ljenkins782]

I can’t quite blame Mitch for not trusting Star and Mary enough to try to take a shot at the alliance. Mary could very well have taken any move and used the info as leverage and Star seems like a wildcard, like you never what she might say. 
 

On the other hand, I’m not sure I’d want Star in the jury house for too long either. The safer play might’ve been taking her to F3, I don’t think she was a threat to win, esp after just handing an idol to someone else.

At this point, I’m not entirely sure what Kamilla’s game plan is. This secret alliance with Kyle might get her to the end but how’s she going to make a case to win with such an invisible role.

all in all, this was a pretty dull episode, the ridiculous editing effects of Joe vs the fly in the endless immunity challenge told me both that he was going to win and that even the editors were bored with this one.

And Eva on yet another reward?? That girl’s gonna break the record for weight actually gained on Survivor, I swear she’s been on every food reward so far. 

[violet and green]

18 minutes ago, ljenkins782 said:

I can’t quite blame Mitch for not trusting Star and Mary enough to try to take a shot at the alliance.

Well, what's his plan? He's on the outs of the strong four, so he is just grateful to go home at 6 or 5?

[Chicago Redshirt]

 

6 hours ago, Steph Sometimes said:

I really need to know what Wendell thinks about Star's raps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpBEUfXwLak

My favorite part of that clip is when he's like "You're trash...at rapping."

As the kids today say, no cap.

I thought Star was pretty respectable, though. 

[Carey]

In terms of likeability, to follow up from what Haleth posted, I think overall the cast is okay there.  Compared to the recent past and who's left of course.  I may have said otherwise, but at the end of the day, everyone's fine.

My issue is that they're not that smart.  On the show.  This was my issue when Dee and Kenzie were running away with the title last year.  It may have been different with past player prior to Season 40, but that wasn't their fault.  Less than ideal play can happen, but to this degree isn't cool.  Plus, a lack of clever planning to shake up the game

[LadyChatts]

4 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

What a frustrating episode, and season.

Chrissy was right that the muscle group would dominate the game. Joe is on his third immunity now. 
David was 100% right on about Kyle and Camilla. He just went about it the wrong way and no one listened.

I’m gobsmacked that Camilla is willing to let Kyle play her and leave her on the outs. She’s his #1 til final 5 when his bromance with Joe wins out.

I can’t believe how many people are clinging to the “popular” group. Make a move or wait to be picked off. Geez. Doesn’t make for an interesting season.

 

It’s unfortunate that Chrissy seemed to wait too long to make a move, which I feel like is the theme for this season.  And it seems like non-threats are getting voted off just because people didn’t like them, instead of actual threats being taken out.  I guess the bright side is maybe no one will get dragged to the end as a goat, but I also don’t think the final vote will be particularly close, either.  
 

Was the muscle alliance really even hiding?  I really wonder what Mary thinks when she learned David said she just leeched onto him and he had no real loyalty to her.  I’m also nervous because in the previews for next week, there was a shot of Kamilla telling Kyle that she wanted one of them to make the final 3 (and she sounded upset so maybe they are getting targeted).  But I hope Kamilla isn’t going to roll over and tank her own game so Kyle has a chance.  

At this point the only two I really don’t want to see win are Eva and Mitch (and in Mitch’s case I think it’s a safe bet he won’t) but I’m good with anyone else left.  

 

 

 

Edited May 1 by LadyChatts

[seacliffsal]

I don't think we're going to see a 'big move' until final 5 (although I would happy to be proven wrong).  There has been talk throughout the season (a bit here and a bit there) about Star being a strategic loose cannon and that may be why Mitch doesn't trust her, or it just may be he really, really, really wants to be a part of the popular kids' alliance (I can understand that he may have been socially isolated a bit when in high school and maybe is insecure about social relationships).  However, even though there is a lot of chatter about Mitch not going with the plan to get out one of the strong, Kyle also had every opportunity to do so but doesn't want to get his hands dirty either.  Kamilla has successfully gotten everyone focused on 'jury management' and afraid to make a big move, so she may have endangered her whole game by trying to move focus to jury management.  Hence Mitch and Kyle not wanting to do the big move this episode.

Have no idea why nobody is targeting Eva.  And, Eva is working hard on jury management (her whole talk with Mary).  There seems to be a real placating of Eva.  I would hope that production is not doing any manipulation on her behalf.

Oh, and Jeff?  The show isn't really proving how HARD the 'new era' is when it's not the contestants asking for rice, but you just bringing it and offering it.  Take the hint when nobody is willing to negotiate for it.  Oh, and stop the food rewards every single day.  And then chanting/singing about chicken and waffles?  Even you don't buy into this being 'survivor' any more but just a sleep away summer camp full of games and various activities. 

[Brown44]

11 hours ago, dizzyd said:

I want a refund for my 90 minutes.

You had to watch bc you would think going into the episode the Tribe group think would be whoever out of Joe or Eva doesn't win immunity is the one to go but Eva's name never came up not even out of Mary, Star, Kamila or Mitch's mouth.

[violet and green]

4 minutes ago, Brown44 said:

You had to watch bc you would think going into the episode the Tribe group think would be whoever out of Joe or Eva doesn't win immunity is the one to go but Eva's name never came up not even out of Mary, Star, Kamila or Mitch's mouth.

Mary did talk about getting Eva out at some point to Shauhin, who immediately ran off and blabbed to Joe about it in this breathless, can you believe she dared to suggest that tone. I lost all hope for Shauhin doing anything interesting then.

[Cheyanne11]

I'm so bored of the "strong alliance."  Their heads, in particular Joe and Eva, are huge.  

[Brown44]

16 minutes ago, violet and green said:

Mary did talk about getting Eva out at some point to Shauhin, who immediately ran off and blabbed to Joe about it in this breathless, can you believe she dared to suggest that tone. I lost all hope for Shauhin doing anything interesting then.

If Kyle is smart as he thinks he is than the game plan should be whoever doesn't win out of Joe or Eva has to go. Kyle, Kamila, Mitch and Mary is enough to do it. (Does someone have a idol? It's been 2-3 episodes and nobody has been out looking for one)

Edited May 1 by Brown44

[violet and green]

It was so annoying. The setup at the start made it seem as if obviously Eva was going to get blindsided by the little mice at the bottom, after she listed her advantages and how safe she was. When Joe won immunity, I actually rejoiced as I thought it would be much better to get Eva and her advantages out than Joe, who might even become interesting without his number one. Nope. Can't have nice things.

[KeithJ]

10 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

They are going to have to take Eva out by surprise, although,  even in the F4, I don't  see her winning,  her social game is sadly lacking.

Why do you think this?  I think her social game has actually been pretty good.  She seems to have liked most everyone and most people seem to like her.

[violet and green]

1 minute ago, KeithJ said:

Why do you think this?  I think her social game has actually been pretty good.  She seems to have liked most everyone and most people seem to like her.

She seems to have liked most everyone who was male. She was rude about and to Star, who gave her her idol. She was rude to Mary's face. And she has not to the best of my knowledge sat and chatted with a single woman all season. 

[dancingdreamer]

16 minutes ago, KeithJ said:

Why do you think this?  I think her social game has actually been pretty good.  She seems to have liked most everyone and most people seem to like her.

Really? I disagree .

[realitytvfan1017]

13 hours ago, Rodney said:

Tonight, we could've seen a big move.  But fuck Mitch for being one of the biggest, wussiest players ever and ruining it.

Sad to see Star go.  But at least she tried to get something going.

Honestly, Mitch would deserve to go next.  But unless he, Kamilla, and Mary try something next week, I feel like the latter would.

I was so disappointed in Mitch. Now I want him to go so badly. He has played a cowardly game and has been so short sighted. Yes Mary and Star voted for him but doesn’t he realize they were blindsided by the majority alliance? 

13 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I guess whoever writes the episode descriptions was so bored by this episode that they couldn't even hide what was going to happen.  But I was still hoping we were getting punked, and either "two players on the bottom begin to target each other" was a diversion or not the expected bottom two people.  

Mitch, I was rooting for you, but I will have my popcorn ready when you realize you got played.  These people aren't your friends, and it seems like you were maybe sort of figuring it out when Kyle didn't pick you for the reward. 

How was Star a threat again?  She has nobody in this game.  She hasn't been let in on any plans.  She's not a challenge threat, unless they decided to have a rap battle, and then she might stand a chance.  I'm so sad she gave Eva her idol.  Why is Eva not even mentioned as a possible threat?

Speaking of Eva, she and Joe were so overconfident tonight that I thought maybe something was going to go down.  I have to think something is coming but the way this season is going, it's probably part of one of their winner's reel.  I really don't like Eva and wish she could get blindsided out of the game.  But Mary and Mitch are probably going next in some order.  It'll be interesting how Kyle tries to save Kamilla when it's down to the 4 plus her.  I'm really so sick of this honesty and integrity crap this season.

But so long Star!  Sorry we didn't see more of her.  She seemed way more entertaining than half of the stuff we've seen so far this season.

I feel like Star was in a bad place because she was never given a chance by anyone . She mistakenly gave Eva her idol and at the very least Eva couldn’t vote for Mary or Mitch instead? 

[Nashville]

10 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Like I said in the live thread: I like chicken, I like waffles, but those two together aren't as awesome as I'd want. Taking a shot of whipped cream straight from the nozzle, then going for the chicken? That's just weird, Joe.

I think you mean Shauhin, not Joe; Joe was the only member of the “Strong 4” not picked by Kyle to go on the reward.

 

4 hours ago, violet and green said:

David on the Jury was giving Blue Steel, hard.

Unfortunate, that - considering David was actually going for MAGNUM….

[realitytvfan1017]

13 hours ago, KeithJ said:

They would have to do it next week wouldn’t they?  She has her safety without power and an idol.  If she gets through next week, she makes the final four.

I was wondering too because is Kyle that afraid of Joe and Eva? When does he think he can make a move .

[Blip]

5 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

However if anyone wants to make a move against Joe or Eva their time is running out.  It’s crazy to me we don’t even see her name came up.  

Yes, this makes sense that there was virtually no discussion of voting out Eva or even trying to get her to use one of her immunities with no little time remaining in the game.

Maybe fewer people have been giving up their spot in challenges in recent seasons, because they seasons are shorter than they used to be.  But I don't get why a few people don't sit out in exchange for rice to last the rest of the season. It turned out that the only person who really needed immunity was Star and it looked like she was barely making an effort in the challenge anyway. They could also try to promise immunity to whoever sits out, which isn't as good as a true immunity, but is worth something. That particular challenge should be retired, for being too boring, and the chicken and waffles challenge wasn't much better.

[realitytvfan1017]

4 hours ago, violet and green said:

David on the Jury was giving Blue Steel, hard.

I am so cross with Mitch for 1) mocking and jeering at Star as a potential ally to actually, finally, make a move and 2) whimping out on said move.

'All the bulky, hunky, strong, Herculean people' as Mary called them, are going to romp their way casually and with a strong sense of entitlement to the end now.

Ugh.

Edit to add: Oh, and I'm mad at Kyle for not joining Kamilla after almost tanking his game to keep her in, because he's confided things to Joe and is all close with him now. WTF.

 

I agree on all but have mixed feelings on the Kyle thing. I can’t decide if it’s the right or wrong time to go against Joe or Eva. 

4 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

I can’t quite blame Mitch for not trusting Star and Mary enough to try to take a shot at the alliance. Mary could very well have taken any move and used the info as leverage and Star seems like a wildcard, like you never what she might say. 
 

On the other hand, I’m not sure I’d want Star in the jury house for too long either. The safer play might’ve been taking her to F3, I don’t think she was a threat to win, esp after just handing an idol to someone else.

At this point, I’m not entirely sure what Kamilla’s game plan is. This secret alliance with Kyle might get her to the end but how’s she going to make a case to win with such an invisible role.

all in all, this was a pretty dull episode, the ridiculous editing effects of Joe vs the fly in the endless immunity challenge told me both that he was going to win and that even the editors were bored with this one.

And Eva on yet another reward?? That girl’s gonna break the record for weight actually gained on Survivor, I swear she’s been on every food reward so far. 

The reason why he felt he couldn’t trust them was because they voted for him but he’s shortsighted because they only did it because they were blindsided by the majority alliance. How is that helpful to him now . I hope he goes next .

4 hours ago, violet and green said:

Well, what's his plan? He's on the outs of the strong four, so he is just grateful to go home at 6 or 5?

Sounds like it. So ridiculous! I hope he goes next .

3 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

It’s unfortunate that Chrissy seemed to wait too long to make a move, which I feel like is the theme for this season.  And it seems like non-threats are getting voted off just because people didn’t like them, instead of actual threats being taken out.  I guess the bright side is maybe no one will get dragged to the end as a goat, but I also don’t think the final vote will be particularly close, either.  
 

Was the muscle alliance really even hiding?  I really wonder what Mary thinks when she learned David said she just leeched onto him and he had no real loyalty to her.  I’m also nervous because in the previews for next week, there was a shot of Kamilla telling Kyle that she wanted one of them to make the final 3 (and she sounded upset so maybe they are getting targeted).  But I hope Kamilla isn’t going to roll over and tank her own game so Kyle has a chance.  

At this point the only two I really don’t want to see win are Eva and Mitch (and in Mitch’s case I think it’s a safe bet he won’t) but I’m good with anyone else left.  

 

 

 

Agreed 

[KeithJ]

5 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

How long is her safety without power good for?  I thought it was final 7 which would be next week but I’m not sure that’s right.

 

26 minutes ago, realitytvfan1017 said:

I was wondering too because is Kyle that afraid of Joe and Eva? When does he think he can make a move .

I went back and looked and it says the last time it can be played is when seven people are left in the game so she will most likely use it next week unless they need her vote for some reason.  She would then have to win immunity in one of the next two weeks after that to make sure she's safe.

[LadyChatts]

48 minutes ago, realitytvfan1017 said:

I was so disappointed in Mitch. Now I want him to go so badly. He has played a cowardly game and has been so short sighted. Yes Mary and Star voted for him but doesn’t he realize they were blindsided by the majority alliance? 

I feel like Star was in a bad place because she was never given a chance by anyone . She mistakenly gave Eva her idol and at the very least Eva couldn’t vote for Mary or Mitch instead? 

Eva seemed like she couldn't even be bothered to have Star in her space last night.  If that idol ends up saving her hopefully she at least thanks Star for giving it to her.  I'm not really sure what everyone's deal was with Star.  I can see why she was so out of place with the cool kids at Lagi but from the absolute bare minimum we've seen, she seems like a lovely and fun person. 

And Mitch...so did it ever occur to him why Star wrote his name down?  And Mary, too?  Mitch has been on the receiving end of getting blindsided in votes and then panicking about dealing with the person whose name he wrote down still being around, because he thought that was going to be the plan.  He also seemed particularly whiny last night about not being in the know with stuff and Kyle not picking him for the reward, despite thinking they had the same alliance.  I know some people said it wasn't just Mitch last night that caused them to not flip, but it seemed like that's what stopped Kamilla from pushing Kyle to flip.  I don't know if they would have succeeded, but at least they could have tried.  

[iMonrey]

3 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

Even you don't buy into this being 'survivor' any more but just a sleep away summer camp full of games and various activities. 

Yeah, I figured out why the show won't give them silverware at the daily food feasts and makes them eat with their hands without being able to wash them first. It's the same reason the show makes them crawl through mud over and over again. They're trying to maintain the illusion that these people are really on some tough survival show where they've gone all primal and savage. Meanwhile they're gorging on elaborate feasts every damn day.

Speaking of which, how is chicken and waffles a thing? The first time I ever heard of those two foods being put together was on Mildred Pierce. Is it some sort of regional thing? 

Editing really needs to do a better job, I called Star going home within the first five minutes. It's almost as if the show suddenly realized they had to remind us she was there. But honestly? By the time she started rapping I was ready for her to go.

As I suggested in the live thread, I'm starting to think the other players don't like Eva as much as the show does since nobody seems to see her as a threat to win. It may be just that they see her as a vestige of Joe, but it also might be that she's not as popular as the show would like us to believe. 

In any event, I don't think anything interesting is going to happen with the votes going forward. It looks like it's just going to come down to Joe, Eva, Shauhin and Kyle as the final four, and then someone will make fire. And assuming Joe is in the final three, I think he wins hands down. He seems to be the godfather of the group, nobody makes a move without consulting him first.

Bottom line, we don't need 90 minutes to vote out someone like Star who was barely on the show to begin with. Can we fast forward a bit?

[fishcakes]

I completely understand why Mitch would not want to team up with Star and Mary, since they both voted for him at the last TC; also has Mary even spoken to him before? Likewise with Kamilla. Why on earth would she want to be Mary's ally after Mary went so hard on getting her out for the last two votes, and Kamilla surely knows this from Kyle. Besides, it's not as if they had the numbers. At best all they could do is force a tie and go to rocks. If I'm Kamilla or Mitch, I sure as hell am not going to pledge to go to rocks for Mary or Star, who they know would flip as soon as they see it's not their name up for elimination.

Kamilla and Mitch still have a path to the end, but it depends on Kyle and Shauhin being willing to flip on Joe and Eva, and I just don't know if that's a real possibility.

Voting out Star instead of Mary seems very dumb, but then we've seen so little of Star, it's impossible to know what everyone means when they say she's chaotic. I don't really see how someone who had zero allies and zero power since day one could be chaotic in any meaningful way, but okay. It seems more likely that the meatheads just went along with Eva, who clearly detests Star. In three different conversations last night, she said that she wanted to vote her out and then, jesus, look at the look of pure disgust on Eva's face at TC every time Star was speaking. She liked her well enough when she was taking her idol, though.

This season started out so promising, but people waited too long to make moves. I still have a little hope that Kyle and Kamilla can pull off what they started, but it's not looking too good right now.

 

 

[LadyChatts]

10 minutes ago, KeithJ said:

 

I went back and looked and it says the last time it can be played is when seven people are left in the game so she will most likely use it next week unless they need her vote for some reason.  She would then have to win immunity in one of the next two weeks after that to make sure she's safe.

And if Joe doesn't win immunity and Eva opts to leave because she feels like her alliance is solid, this would be the time for Mary/Mitch/Kyle/Kamilla to make a move against Joe.  Shauhin might even be onboard.  And if Joe does win immunity, then those 4 could go after Shauhin.

But even if Eva doesn't exercise her advantage, there's zero reason why he and Eva seem automatically immune without having immunity.  They are two people in a group of seven.  And everyone knows Eva has an idol, and she and Joe haven't been weak in challenges.  But I am wondering if people think Eva will give a poor final TC performance and that she won't have any real allies on the jury (though David said he considered her his #1 and he seems to detest Joe). 

But since jury management has been brought up a few times, I think that might be relevant in the end.  Or maybe not.  The editors this season seem drunk, so who knows anymore.

Edited May 1 by LadyChatts

[fishcakes]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

Speaking of which, how is chicken and waffles a thing? The first time I ever heard of those two foods being put together was on Mildred Pierce. Is it some sort of regional thing? 

Chicken and waffles is soul food, and it became popular in southern California (and consequently became a pop culture reference) after Roscoe's House of Chicken 'N Waffles opened. I used to go to their late, lamented Oakland location and get the smothered chicken, waffles, and greens. Coincidentally, yesterday I watched an episode of Ballers and Roscoe's got a mention along with a scene of people eating takeout from there. If you're ever in SoCal, it's definitely worth a visit.

Edited May 1 by fishcakes

[iMonrey]

14 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

But I am wondering if people think Eva will give a poor final TC performance and that she won't have any real allies on the jury (though David said he considered her his #1 and he seems to detest Joe). 

But since jury management has been brought up a few times, I think that might be relevant in the end.  Or maybe not.  The editors this season seem drunk, so who knows anymore.

We've definitely heard people talk about "jury management" more often than usual. I guess even if the others don't see Eva as a threat to win right now, it's possible she could have another colossal meltdown and cryfest at the final TC, and all the jurors will take out their hankies and and write her name down to win. We've seen it before.

[SummerDreams]

It's so boring I want to scream. This is not the game I love.

[Tango64]

47 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I'm starting to think the other players don't like Eva as much as the show does since nobody seems to see her as a threat to win. It may be just that they see her as a vestige of Joe, but it also might be that she's not as popular as the show would like us to believe. 

I think she's not so popular with the other players but they are afraid to vote her out or even talk about the possibility. Any hint of that would prompt that scary glare from Joe, who the contestants see as a nice guy with a threatening underside that you don't want to provoke.

Combine that with no one wanting to target the young woman with the sensitive condition. Imagine being the player who floated the idea of voting Eva out and caused her to have another dramatic breakdown? What if Joe were not around to help her??

And she was gifted an idol by Star and another advantage by Jeff. At this point it doesn't matter if they like her or not. She's fine just waiting for the next feast.

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

Speaking of which, how is chicken and waffles a thing? The first time I ever heard of those two foods being put together was on Mildred Pierce. Is it some sort of regional thing? 

Can’t speak to any other versions of history, but in my personal experience chicken and waffles has been a thing in Atlanta for as long as I can remember.

[seacliffsal]

1 hour ago, KeithJ said:

 

I went back and looked and it says the last time it can be played is when seven people are left in the game so she will most likely use it next week unless they need her vote for some reason.  She would then have to win immunity in one of the next two weeks after that to make sure she's safe.

Actually, this could be what someone is waiting for.  If she leaves TC, the majority alliance would be down one vote, so the others could then take someone from the strong alliance out.  Kyle wouldn't even have to vote against one of the strong alliance if he just voted for a different person than Joe and Shaunin.  The three of Mary, Mitch, and Kamille could then take out Joe or Shaunin (and if one of them had immunity, target the other one).

[ljenkins782]

6 hours ago, violet and green said:

Well, what's his plan? He's on the outs of the strong four, so he is just grateful to go home at 6 or 5?

Or he could participate in a failed plot against Joe or Eva and go home 8th or 7th. He doesn’t have a lot of great options, but I don’t blame him not wanting to put all his eggs into a basket with people who just voted for him last time (and the plan that Mary and Star both thought they were helping blew up in their faces when David was blindsided.)

I just don’t understand the logic saying that “well, yes we tried to vote you out but only because the big alliance said so!!” is any rationale for Mitch trusting them. 
 

And the big strong folks alliance JUST cannibalized one of their “strong 5” about 4 votes earlier than planned, so who’s to say it won’t happen again? Mitch’s best bet could well be to play along and potentially slip through to the end if they do turn on each other. 
 

there was no guaranteed big move this time and there’s even less margin when you factor in Kamilla’s secret alliance with Kyle.

[Chicago Redshirt]

This season, everyone seemingly has been given vaccines for Big Move Fever.